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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

Mr teX said:
I also find it comical people speaking on the emotional temperament of the man having not spoken 2 words to him and not knowing him at all beyond what they see on TV during games..
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I find it comical that people who are upset with O'Brien dropping f-bombs and calling people names Turn around and do exactly the same when discussing O'Brien. He is unable to control his emotions but those on this message board act the same way.
 
I remember the good old days, when I was disgruntled at the NFL comp rule that dropped the 3rd round pick the Texans would have received for K. Jackson to a 7th rounder because of a 2 game suspension for DUI. And I thought that was stupid! O’Brien just scoffed at that idiocy and said “watch this!” as he promptly traded away the best WR the AFC South ever saw...while still in his prime, even.

For the note takers, I’m never going to drop this subject. So don’t even ask.
 
Mr teX said:
3 years ago Jax was the team to beat for years to come............. supposedly anyway. & why would anyone doubt that? They had this ferocious defense with all this great mix of young and old talent, this rookie RB that was supposed to be a monster and they had this top pick at QB that everyone thought was finally coming into his own. That team was basically dismantled right after that year & they haven't been relevant since they made their run & are currently trying to get out of cap hell.

2 years ago Indy was the so called "best team" in the "little division" & why should anyone doubt that? They had this afterthought of a HC that turns out is this great offensive innovator calling plays for Luck, "the next great QB set to rule the league!!!" They had this great young o-line too..2 all-pro rookies...Ballard's a genius! Well, like us the following year, they were dismantled by KC in the next round & of course you know what happened the next year with Luck retiring.

So now we have Tennessee. Great young firey no nonsense HC in Vrabel...NFL's leading rusher last year in Henry is back..Got Tanny..is he coming into his own like Bortles? AJ Brown was a revelation at WR. They too were dismantled by KC much in the same manner as we were.....

Sure they all went 1 round deeper in 1 year... but none of them have been able to stay around for more than 1 year at a time & they all met the same fate we did in the playoffs to the same 2 teams that we did KC & NE. When either of them can duplicate the success they had in that 1 year, i will crown them as the team to beat in the division & won't chalk it up to just sheer luck.
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Set your pom poms down for a second. Let's just have a conversation.

Do you realize that you just gave ample evidence that teams can be built much quicker than 6+ seasons?

Why is O'Brien given a free pass with some fans after 6 seasons and 2-4 playoff results?

How many more years do you want to waste with this barely mediocre head coach?

I know you folks have got your excuses ready. Easy Bake stats and wishes and dreams and whatever else you need to create the spin.

But in reality, after 6 seasons, no coach in history takes a team to a conference championship game if they haven't done it already. There's 100 years of NFL history to study those basic trends.

O'Brien is not special enough to overcome basic statistical analysis.

At this point in his career, he has almost the exact same record as Tony Dungy with the Bucs. After they fired him, the next season with a new coach and they win the Super Bowl.

Dungy goes on to another team and wins there.

O'Brien might end up being a great coach somewhere. He has simply not earned that description here.

At some point, it's time to cook or get out of the kitchen. O'Brien is buying ALL the groceries now. He's creating his own recipes. So if the meal sucks, how many more are you willing to choke down before you admit that he's just not the right man for the job in Houston?

You may now resume the frantic pom pom waving. Houston Texans, Inc. appreciates it.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That's because ill-advised decision are made strictly out of emotions. Last season Bill Obrien tried his best to screw over Hopkins. That way he could justify this asinine trade. Look and read Rico post #878.

He imo sabotaged RS too. This dude is a slick crook and the McNair's are allowing that crap to happen.
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Let's see: Hopkins caught over 100 balls and was 1st team all pro. If BOB was trying to screw Nuk over he was lousy at his goal.

RS wasn't good at his job long before BOB got here.

Fantasy land must be a great place to live.

Why don't you just say what you are trying to say, (BOB's a racist) This will make you feel better.
 
Double Barrel said:
Set your pom poms down for a second. Let's just have a conversation.

Do you realize that you just gave ample evidence that teams can be built much quicker than 6+ seasons?

Why is O'Brien given a free pass with some fans after 6 seasons and 2-4 playoff results?

How many more years do you want to waste with this barely mediocre head coach?

I know you folks have got your excuses ready. Easy Bake stats and wishes and dreams and whatever else you need to create the spin.

But in reality, after 6 seasons, no coach in history takes a team to a conference championship game if they haven't done it already. There's 100 years of NFL history to study those basic trends.

O'Brien is not special enough to overcome basic statistical analysis.

At this point in his career, he has almost the exact same record as Tony Dungy with the Bucs. After they fired him, the next season with a new coach and they win the Super Bowl.

Dungy goes on to another team and wins there.

O'Brien might end up being a great coach somewhere. He has simply not earned that description here.

At some point, it's time to cook or get out of the kitchen. O'Brien is buying ALL the groceries now. He's creating his own recipes. So if the meal sucks, how many more are you willing to choke down before you admit that he's just not the right man for the job in Houston?

You may now resume the frantic pom pom waving. Houston Texans, Inc. appreciates it.
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To answer your question, simply 4 yrs of RS incompetence.

BTW, I'm on record as wanting BOB gone because I don't think you can win a championship with him.

There's no more excuses, I think when it becomes obvious DW4 isn't going to win a championship in abt3 years, BOB will be gone and they will bring in another HC who will also fail to win a championship with DW4.
 
Number19 said:
By leaving personal animosity and emotion out of evaluating the team.

The Texans won 11 games in 2018. They won 10 last year, possibly because they rested starters the last game after securing the division title.

They did this with Bill O'Brian as HC.

I see no reason why outcome will be any different this year beyond your normal seasonal improvement of teams and/or injury. In other words, O'Brian will have no impact that wasn't already accounted for.
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They won because they have super stars on the team. O’Brien has jettisoned out 2 of them in half a year. They have 2 left. One is getting older and has mounting injuries, the other just lost his most dependable target.

A team can’t compete for very long when the GM trades away valuable draft picks while depleting it of talent; that’s hard to do but O’Brien has figured it out. For an encore he’s accomplished all this while chipping away at the salary cap, taking on all of David Johnson’s terrible contract and taking on some of Clowney’s salary last year.
 
badboy said:
No one is talking about the chronicle article that states Bengals and Patriots and Philly discussed trading for Hopkins. If true, that takes away one issue I had with trading with Arizona.
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That's not going to fit the narrative around these parts.
 
steelbtexan said:
To answer your question, simply 4 yrs of RS incompetence.

BTW, I'm on record as wanting BOB gone because I don't think you can win a championship with him.

There's no more excuses, I think when it becomes obvious DW4 isn't going to win a championship in abt3 years, BOB will be gone and they will bring in another HC who will also fail to win a championship with DW4.
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So you fully expect that DW4 signs here? I'm not sure that'll be the case. He'll play out the rookie contract, he ain't signing early. I'm not sold he heres after next year....
 
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Texazan said:
I'll be captain obvits obvious that everyone on here is right


So you fully expect that DW4 signs here? I'm not sure that'll be the case. He'll play out the rookie contract, he ain't signing early. I'm not sold he heres after next year....
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He will be here if he plays well. Probably even if he doesn't play well due to marketing reasons.
 
steelbtexan said:
Let's see: Hopkins caught over 100 balls and was 1st team all pro. If BOB was trying to screw Nuk over he was lousy at his goal.

RS wasn't good at his job long before BOB got here.

Fantasy land must be a great place to live.

Why don't you just say what you are trying to say, (BOB's a racist) This will make you feel better.
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Dude get on with your bullcrap drivel. RS knows more about football than both you and Obrien put together. And I don't play the race card. Even though you would know if he's one or not. Maybe you're just like him, that's why he continues to get a pass from you while RS and now Watson don't.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Dude get on with you bullcrap drivel. RS knows more about football than both you and Obrien put together. And I don't play the race card. Even though you would know if he's one or not. Maybe you're just like him, that's why he continues to get a pass from you while RS and now Watson don't.
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He should know more about football than I do.

Just say what you want to say,

Anybody that disagrees with you, you use the race card on. Example: you hate BOB so he must be a racist.

Example: Does me not thinking DW4 can win a championship make me a racist?

Let's see, my favorite QB in that draft was Mahomes. I loved Jamies Winston coming out. Doug Williams was one of my favorite QB's growing up and one tough SOB. ( Whoops you probably think that's racist too)
 
Texansballer74 said:
But it fits your cockeyed agenda.
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Tell me what agenda I have?

We just disagree about DW4 mainly. No agenda here.

I'm not the person that reported that BOB tried to trade Nuk to the Bengals/Pat's/Eagles. How on God's green earth would you consider that I have an agenda when it comes to this trade. Smdh
 
Texansballer74 said:
Not according to that dude. Lol crazy thing is you can tell when a person is sincere. Waiting Obrien fired is a straight up lie.
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Nice trying to hide calling me a liar.

You don't know me.

Reported, although nothing will be done by mods.

#doublestandards
 
Speedy said:
Then I guess you missed the part where Nuk was thrown in the same sentence as Aaron Hernandez and questioned about his baby mommas.

I don’t think OB woke up thinking hey, what a great idea it would be to give away one of the best players in the game. I think he’s a dude with zero control of his emotions. The thing with Mallett, the F you tirade with a fan, the man has got some wires loose.
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BOB has no goals, vision, strategy, foresight or game plan for this team. He may very well be incapable of these things. He also has no clock management skills years into his career as a head coach in both college and the NFL. What he does have is almost total control of the franchise and an ill temper.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. I said it before, we'll win 12 games in 2020. Don't know how. But we'll do it.

Now. So far I haven't given any credence to the "players want out" or "FAs warned about O'Brien" rumors, but it could get ugly if those are true
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I disagree. I see the Texans coming out on the losing end on one score games due to not having Nuk. He was the great equalizer and a 1st generator. But, hey. Maybe OB will finish Head Coaching for Dummies this offseason (it's only been 6 years) and will figure out how to utilize a TE when they aren't the freaks nature that Gronk and Hernadez were.
 
banned1976 said:
I remember the good old days, when I was disgruntled at the NFL comp rule that dropped the 3rd round pick the Texans would have received for K. Jackson to a 7th rounder because of a 2 game suspension for DUI. And I thought that was stupid! O’Brien just scoffed at that idiocy and said “watch this!” as he promptly traded away the best WR the AFC South ever saw...while still in his prime, even.

For the note takers, I’m never going to drop this subject. So don’t even ask.
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I really wanted that extra 3rd round comp pick. Still no first but we would have had two seconds and two thirds. This is going to be a very very good draft.
 
DocBar said:
I disagree. I see the Texans coming out on the losing end on one score games due to not having Nuk. He was the great equalizer and a 1st generator. But, hey. Maybe OB will finish Head Coaching for Dummies this offseason (it's only been 6 years) and will figure out how to utilize a TE when they aren't the freaks nature that Gronk and Hernadez were.
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I thought Fells had a nice season.

I'm really hoping Warring becomes the player his athletic gifts say he should be.
 
Double Barrel said:
Set your pom poms down for a second. Let's just have a conversation.

Do you realize that you just gave ample evidence that teams can be built much quicker than 6+ seasons?

Why is O'Brien given a free pass with some fans after 6 seasons and 2-4 playoff results?

How many more years do you want to waste with this barely mediocre head coach?

I know you folks have got your excuses ready. Easy Bake stats and wishes and dreams and whatever else you need to create the spin.

But in reality, after 6 seasons, no coach in history takes a team to a conference championship game if they haven't done it already. There's 100 years of NFL history to study those basic trends.

O'Brien is not special enough to overcome basic statistical analysis.

At this point in his career, he has almost the exact same record as Tony Dungy with the Bucs. After they fired him, the next season with a new coach and they win the Super Bowl.

Dungy goes on to another team and wins there.

O'Brien might end up being a great coach somewhere. He has simply not earned that description here.

At some point, it's time to cook or get out of the kitchen. O'Brien is buying ALL the groceries now. He's creating his own recipes. So if the meal sucks, how many more are you willing to choke down before you admit that he's just not the right man for the job in Houston?

You may now resume the frantic pom pom waving. Houston Texans, Inc. appreciates it.
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Well first I don’t think anyone for over a year now has not said that OB shouldn’t be or have been fired. It’s just not all of us think that EVERYTHING is his fault or that all of the moves he made were bad. For example in my mind trading for a Tunsil was good, trading away Hopkins very bad.

People on here have come to equate not calling for his head in every thread with every post as “Pom-Pom waving” when in reality it’s just looking at it without emotion and trying to understand why it was done. Sometimes the answer is “it was done because he’s an idiot” but sometimes there is actually a reason for it.

Oh and FYI as far as a coach taking a team to a championship after 6 seasons, you might want to look up Andy Reid’s record with the Chiefs. I’m not saying OB can do it, I don’t think he can, but your statement is factually inaccurate.
 
banned1976 said:
Looks like someone is living rent free in steel’s head. How’s the decor in there, Texansballer?
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Yep, I dont like people that have never met me calling me a racist/liar.

Funny thing is it says they've lost the argument when you have to resort to these lameass tactics.
 
Corrosion said:
I think it still takes two more seasons minimum to get him gone.

6-10 or worse in back to back years or OB see's the end of his contract as HC if not HC/GM.
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That's a realistic trajectory, but it could be cut short by empty seats.

First it's the petitions, then protesters outside NRG, then billboards, then empty seats. We're already past step 1.
 
Number19 said:
I disagree. On paper, we should be very good.

We're finally going to have some continuity with a very good OL. We're going to have an excellant RB outlet/short passing game and we're going to have depth and experience with RB pass blocking. We're going to have the opportunity to have excellant production from our TE's. We're going to have a premier deep passing game, when Fuller is on the field. And we're going to have experience and depth in the slot. We need only one more WR, which I anticipate acquiring in the draft.

It all rides on the shoulders of our QB.

The only reason for saying this offense is going to be bad in because of the distaste for O'Brian. It's personal, not an objective evaluation of our team.
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Your bottom line is half right - it is because of OB we feel they wont measure up to their potential.

All of the things you say "we should be good at" …. might be true from a talent perspective. Particularly the use of RB's in the passing game - the Texans RB's had a grand total of 55 receptions last season.
Do you really expect the leopard to change his spots and figure out how to scheme a screen pass ? Or Watson to accept those check downs to RB's ?

I don't believe either are in the cards.

Yes , the OL should be decent at best but Watson was sacked 44 times in 15 games. Basically 3 per. Tunsil was the leagues most penalized player. Drive killers.

WR's …. Stills and WFV both missed multiple games.

I don't think the defense has gotten better at all …. let Reader go who was the anchor of your defense last year , essentially have one useful corner and signed another safety.
Gave up Clowney last year and no pass rush which hasn't changed.

Really , can you expect more than 6-10 ?
 
Corrosion said:
Your bottom line is half right - it is because of OB we feel they wont measure up to their potential.

All of the things you say "we should be good at" …. might be true from a talent perspective. Particularly the use of RB's in the passing game - the Texans RB's had a grand total of 55 receptions last season.
Do you really expect the leopard to change his spots and figure out how to scheme a screen pass ? Or Watson to accept those check downs to RB's ?

I don't believe either are in the cards.

Yes , the OL should be decent at best but Watson was sacked 44 times in 15 games. Basically 3 per. Tunsil was the leagues most penalized player. Drive killers.

WR's …. Stills and WFV both missed multiple games.

I don't think the defense has gotten better at all …. let Reader go who was the anchor of your defense last year , essentially have one useful corner and signed another safety.
Gave up Clowney last year and no pass rush which hasn't changed.

Really , can you expect more than 6-10 ?
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First, this series of comments started with addressing offense only. And I do have some concerns with the defense stepping up with Anthony Weaver taking charge. I remember a few years back and the failed experiment with Mike Vrabel taking over. And I remember 2009 and 2010 when Frank Bush was put in at DC.

To return to offense, as I previously stated, it's all going to ride on Watson's shoulders. This season could possibly play out as one where the offense will have to outscore the opposing team.

Taking an early look at the schedule, I'm thinking 10-6 realistic.
 
Double Barrel said:
Set your pom poms down for a second. Let's just have a conversation.

Do you realize that you just gave ample evidence that teams can be built much quicker than 6+ seasons?

Why is O'Brien given a free pass with some fans after 6 seasons and 2-4 playoff results?

How many more years do you want to waste with this barely mediocre head coach?

I know you folks have got your excuses ready. Easy Bake stats and wishes and dreams and whatever else you need to create the spin.

But in reality, after 6 seasons, no coach in history takes a team to a conference championship game if they haven't done it already. There's 100 years of NFL history to study those basic trends.

O'Brien is not special enough to overcome basic statistical analysis.

At this point in his career, he has almost the exact same record as Tony Dungy with the Bucs. After they fired him, the next season with a new coach and they win the Super Bowl.

Dungy goes on to another team and wins there.

O'Brien might end up being a great coach somewhere. He has simply not earned that description here.

At some point, it's time to cook or get out of the kitchen. O'Brien is buying ALL the groceries now. He's creating his own recipes. So if the meal sucks, how many more are you willing to choke down before you admit that he's just not the right man for the job in Houston?

You may now resume the frantic pom pom waving. Houston Texans, Inc. appreciates it.
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Lol, Ya’ll keep trying to make this about me supporting BoB and it’s anything but.

iAnd the point in listing the track records of those teams in our division was to show that they weren’t “built”. if they were they’d still be around dominating and been able to sustain and capitalize off their success after just 1 season; See KC for that example. Took Andy Reid what 7 years to build up what he has now in KC? What we’ve seen in our division is these guys lucking up and putting it together for 1 season b/4 falling apart again. We will see how Tennessee does this year now they’ve paid Tanny.

Now, go ahead and continue to release that Houston Oiler angst...which has now been transposed to the Texans.
 
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Number19 said:
First, this series of comments started with addressing offense only. And I do have some concerns with the defense stepping up with Anthony Weaver taking charge. I remember a few years back and the failed experiment with Mike Vrabel taking over. And I remember 2009 and 2010 when Frank Bush was put in at DC.

To return to offense, as I previously stated, it's all going to ride on Watson's shoulders. This season could possibly play out as one where the offense will have to outscore the opposing team.

Taking an early look at the schedule, I'm thinking 10-6 realistic.
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Isn't this virtually every single game? 0-0 is still a tie. I know what you're saying but your wording struck me as funny. Kinda like when I heard John Madden (I think) say "that's an offense designed to score points".
With OB the GM seeing fit to bringing back most of a woeful secondary, I have no faith at all in the offense's ability to consistently win shoot outs. Especially after OB traded away 30% of his offensive production.
 
Number19 said:
To return to offense, as I previously stated, it's all going to ride on Watson's shoulders.
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And this is where Watson gets unfairly blamed when it doesn't go well because the talent on offense has been downgraded. Downgrade at WR, downgrade at RB, OL is mediocre at best and that probably has a lot more to do with coaching (Devlin). TE's? OK I guess when they're incorporated into the offense. And despite Kelly getting the play calling nod, it's still going to be an OB designed offense.

So let's give Watson yet another hurdle he has to jump and then blame him when it doesn't work.
 
steelbtexan said:
#doublestandards
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this is not true. No matter how many times you say it.

Even though I am pointing out the false nature of your statement I am not calling you a liar.

Again, to state a statement is not true is not the same as calling the person who made the statement a liar. It is not attacking the poster, it is not against forum rules.
 
Corrosion said:
Your bottom line is half right - it is because of OB we feel they wont measure up to their potential.

All of the things you say "we should be good at" …. might be true from a talent perspective. Particularly the use of RB's in the passing game - the Texans RB's had a grand total of 55 receptions last season.
Do you really expect the leopard to change his spots and figure out how to scheme a screen pass ? Or Watson to accept those check downs to RB's ?

I don't believe either are in the cards.

Yes , the OL should be decent at best but Watson was sacked 44 times in 15 games. Basically 3 per. Tunsil was the leagues most penalized player. Drive killers.

WR's …. Stills and WFV both missed multiple games.

I don't think the defense has gotten better at all …. let Reader go who was the anchor of your defense last year , essentially have one useful corner and signed another safety.
Gave up Clowney last year and no pass rush which hasn't changed.

Really , can you expect more than 6-10 ?
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I'm going to play devils advocate here.

1. BOB turns the offense over to Kelly and things improve and the RB's get more involved in the passing game
2. You dont believe DW4 can improve?
3. The OL should improve with health and a TC together. Devlin is still an anvil though
4. Tunsil will be much better with a full TC and as CnD said a healthy shoulder.
5. There are still vet DT's that are just as good as Reader is available in FA and you can draft a young guy too.
6. Clowney's 3 sacks will be missed. You dont think Martin can improve and I'm sure they're going to draft an edge high in the draft. Greenard is a guy I like alot and they interviewed him at the combine.
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thunderkyss said:
this is not true. No matter how many times you say it.

Even though I am pointing out the false nature of your statement I am not calling you a liar.

Again, to state a statement is not true is not the same as calling the person who made the statement a liar. It is not attacking the poster, it is not against forum rules.
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If you say so.

Facts are the double standards have existed for awhile and have been pointed out by other posters. I believe we all know why this exists.

You keep what you want and keep on watching the MB devolve. This MB is a very different MB than the one I joined back in 2007.
 
Mr. White said:
Is it really different though?

I joined before the 2016 draft and it seems like the only difference is the people we’re talking about.
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Go back and look at old posts from Texan Bill/GMa/GP etc.... and you can see the difference plain as day.
 
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