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This exercise was fun but built in with some heavy sarcasm and unfortunately some truth as well. See, if everyone wants to keep giving OB a pass b/c he's in constant rebuild.......then why not give him what he really wants.

I wouldn't have given OB the 6 years he's already been around but the McNair's (Cal) remain enamored with this guy......why? I have no valid answer for this mystery.

The Texans appear to be in throws of another solid and profound arsewhipping and they have no answers for the Broncos. I'm curious if any adjustments were made at halftime to avoid a tremendous blowout and possibly mount a major comeback.

Even this mess may not change the mind of Cal which means.....who's getting the blame for this shitshow when the Division hangs in the balance? Are we going to chalk it up to OB needing another couple of seasons to finish his build?

Fire him and hire a solid GM and HC.....then I keep the current team and find the missing pieces.

Keep him, then my post stands as where I stand on him coaching this current group of offensive players. He's made zero progression which must mean these aren't his type of handpicked players. Why keep up with this insanity b/c it never gets better.
 
This exercise was fun but built in with some heavy sarcasm and unfortunately some truth as well. See, if everyone wants to keep giving OB a pass b/c he's in constant rebuild.......then why not give him what he really wants.

I wouldn't have given OB the 6 years he's already been around but the McNair's (Cal) remain enamored with this guy......why? I have no valid answer for this mystery.

The Texans appear to be in throws of another solid and profound arsewhipping and they have no answers for the Broncos. I'm curious if any adjustments were made at halftime to avoid a tremendous blowout and possibly mount a major comeback.

Even this mess may not change the mind of Cal which means.....who's getting the blame for this shitshow when the Division hangs in the balance? Are we going to chalk it up to OB needing another couple of seasons to finish his build?

Fire him and hire a solid GM and HC.....then I keep the current team and find the missing pieces.

Keep him, then my post stands as where I stand on him coaching this current group of offensive players. He's made zero progression which must mean these aren't his type of handpicked players. Why keep up with this insanity b/c it never gets better.


But they want him to be the HC and the GM now. Lol!
 
“Problem child” Marcus Peters - acquired for a 5th round pick just won the game for BAL with a pass defense. Gareon Conley - acquired for a 3rd round pick looked like dumpster juice today. #potential

Peters was an incredible move made by the Ravens for great value. That move got very little hype due to the Rams acquiring Ramsey which is all the media really talked about regarding that. I hated that trade from every angle. Ravens sure don't.
 
Peters was an incredible move made by the Ravens for great value. That move got very little hype due to the Rams acquiring Ramsey which is all the media really talked about regarding that. I hated that trade from every angle. Ravens sure don't.

Yeah, unless he pulls a Hernandez
 
Jimmy G is Matt Schaub with a better arm. Can put up very good numbers and can win you games if the players around are very good. Matt Schaub led the league in yardage 1 season. However, those type of QBs cannot carry a team to a Superbowl by themselves...if need be.

What a game manager. :cowboy1:

Jimmy just won the biggest shootout of the season against what is arguably the other best team in the league with 4 TD's and 349 yards passing. A wild 4th quarter where he had to put his team in position to close it out like he has many times before already.

I think that makes Jimmy G like 17-4 or something like that since becoming the starter of team that was in the gutter.
 
There will be no surprises if OB is left to his own vices in trying to save his job......but it will come at a big cost to the organization.

The following is going to be soooo funny, it'll make you cry:

1. McNair was so desperate for a QB he decide to override OB and get a QB they liked b/c OB's hand picked choices were gawd awful. Enter the Brock Osweiler "BREIF BUT COSTLY" era. OB's system wasn't a fit nor was OB ever on board with this selection....primarily b/c it was done without his input. Cost money and picks to eliminate this mistake.

2. It's RS's turn. He traded away some big picks to move up and get the guy of his dreams in Watson. Problem, the War Room photo of that selection only showed one person standing and cheering the move.....RS. Everyone else sat there with what appeared to be stunned looks on their faces. Again, this was not an OB guy b/c a decision was made without consulting him. OB's desired offense and Watson's style of play are like oil and water......they'll never mix. Again, a really costly mistake.

3. OB has now, in some ill fated dream, ascended to the top and now possesses the GM hat, which adds to the other 2 hats that best describe his failure at mastering either hats of responsibility......HC and OC. For his first trick......he and the organization sit on the Clowney situation knowing it's never going to get better but somehow sit around and try to wait him out, problem....Clowney was the one in control. They make a last second deal and again it cost them dearly in what could've been had....had they acted earlier when they saw the writing on the wall.

4. In a desperation move to try and salvage his upcoming season OB was on the phone with Miami to obtain the services of LT, Tunsil. Like any deal with the Browns, OB was taken behind the woodshed, forced to drop his own pants and assume the position for another royal screwing. Don't get me wrong, I saw the move for Tunsil as a positive but when word got out that Miami was interested in a Clowney for Tunsil deal, then the mistakes become even more glaring. The cost was excessive and will have an impact on the next couple of drafts.

5. I'm beginning to see these moves as the type Bum Phillips made in trying to chase down the Steelers. Trading (mortgaging their future) for old Raiders players who were past their prime so he could finally beat the Steelers......never happened. When he left, it was a tough rebuild. When OB finally gets shown the door, it's going to be tough rebuild b/c I think he'll be even more desperate this coming off-season. There will be contracts and extensions that must be addressed while finding players to fill gaps.

Yeah it's a mess and Cal seems to be ok with it as long as the seats remain filled.
 
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There will be no surprises if OB is left to his own vices in trying to save his job......but it will come at a big cost to the organization.

The following is going to be soooo funny, it'll make you cry:

1. McNair was so desperate for a QB he decide to override OB and get a QB they liked b/c OB's hand picked choices were gawd awful. Enter the Brock Osweiler "BREIF BUT COSTLY" era. OB's system wasn't a fit nor was OB ever on board with this selection....primarily b/c it was done without his input. Cost money and picks to eliminate this mistake.

It wasn't a matter of "get a QB they liked" Osweiler was the only F/A on the market that was even close to being considered a franchise QB except Derek Carr and there was no way in hell Texans were bringing another Carr here. The whole "done without his input" is also BS as I believe that OB did give his input and in fact he said they that he did. Please don't pull the SteelB crap of "he's just towing the company line" when it disagrees with you what he said and "That's his real feelings" when it agrees with you. As far as Osweiler goes apparently he didn't fit anybody's system seeing as he recently retired after bouncing from team to team to team. Finally I thought the trading for picks to get rid of him was an RS move? Or at least that's what these boards were all screaming back when it happened. So since RS is gone now we are switching the blame to the next guy we don't like?

2. It's RS's turn. He traded away some big picks to move up and get the guy of his dreams in Watson. Problem, the War Room photo of that selection only showed one person standing and cheering the move.....RS. Everyone else sat there with what appeared to be stunned looks on their faces. Again, this was not an OB guy b/c a decision was made without consulting him. OB's desired offense and Watson's style of play are like oil and water......they'll never mix. Again, a really costly mistake.

This I agree with, Watson was 100% an RS call and one I like. I think OB wanted Mahomes and to be fair that would have been good to. I actually think they were arguing about it right up until KC took the decision out of their hands and Watson became the default choice. I also agree a lot of the troubles has been that OB is trying to get Watson to fit his system instead of the system to fit Watson. Interesting enough I was watching ESPN and they were talking about Jason Garrett and the Cowboys and why the Cowboys aren't running the ball when that's what they are designed to do. One person, forget who, said that coaches tend to default back to what they know and what they are most comfortable with when put in high pressure situations. Garrett is a former QB so he tends to default to the passing game, OB has always liked and used big arm pocket passers so I think that's what he is defaulting to. I don't believe its a conscience "I'm going to make Watson a pocket passer" thing he is doing I think it is just his default.

That being said that inability to adapt is not going to cut it as an NFL HC. Garrett is screwing the Cowboys, which I love watching, because he can't get away from his default and OB has been screwing the Texans, which I don't love watching, because he can't get away from his default. We see the same thing with Reid in KC just Mahomes and that offense is good enough to run up the score where it doesn't matter. Ravens are so good because their HC didn't have a default and built it from the ground up around Jackson.

3. OB has now, in some ill fated dream, ascended to the top and now possesses the GM hat, which adds to the other 2 hats that best describe his failure at mastering either hats of responsibility......HC and OC. For his first trick......he and the organization sit on the Clowney situation knowing it's never going to get better but somehow sit around and try to wait him out, problem....Clowney was the one in control. They make a last second deal and again it cost them dearly in what could've been had....had they acted earlier when they saw the writing on the wall.

Not sure you can blame Clowney on OB seeing as Gaine was still GM at the time. In fact sitting on the Clowney deal might have been what got Gaine fired, we just don't know. I will say it does fit Gaine's profile from previous positions and even his short time as GM. He was always know as, shall we say thrifty when it came to spending money and in fact under him the Texans went from spending 98% of their cap to 92% which I think the league min is 89% so yeah. The trade deal after you can blame on OB and I would have made Clowney play on the tag and run him into the ground like a rental car but that's me.

4. In a desperation move to try and salvage his upcoming season OB was on the phone with Miami to obtain the services of LT, Tunsil. Like any deal with the Browns, OB was taken behind the woodshed, forced to drop his own pants and assume the position for another royal screwing. Don't get me wrong, I saw the move for Tunsil as a positive but when word got out that Miami was interested in a Clowney for Tunsil deal, then the mistakes become even more glaring. The cost was excessive and will have an impact on the next couple of drafts.

The cost was not excessive and it has been broken down many times why the cost of two 1st was on point even had we drafted a guy. Also it wasn't just about "saving his up coming season" it was about trying to keep Watson from getting broken in half and then looking for new QB. Or would you have preferred we have David Carr or Andrew Luck 2.0?

5. I'm beginning to see these moves as the type Bum Phillips made in trying to chase down the Steelers. Trading (mortgaging their future) for old Raiders players who were past their prime so he could finally beat the Steelers......never happened. When he left, it was a tough rebuild. When OB finally gets shown the door, it's going to be tough rebuild b/c I think he'll be even more desperate this coming off-season. There will be contracts and extensions that must be addressed while finding players to fill gaps.

Yeah it's a mess and Cal seems to be ok with it as long as the seats remain filled.

The "so he could finally beat the Steelers...never happened" doesn't make sense because we did just beat the Pats. Also which players are past their prime? Tunsil is young and still on his rookie contract and most of the rest we have acquired we got for just cap hits not draft hits. Stills, even if he hasn't been everything we hoped, has been well worth a 2nd as is Johnson a 3rd. Hyde has been an absolute steal and even the guys we got for the secondary have been decent. Last night's game not with standing they have been about as good as Badger and Jackson were and we haven't seemed to miss Clowney. Who by the way is not lighting the world on fire in Seattle and still has way lower stats than Mercilus. Did you see the Rams run the ball up the gut and right through him last night?

Look I get it, you're pissed off about last night's game, I am to, so now the sky is falling once again. However, the moves we made that were considered good after we beat the Colts and Pats aren't all of a sudden bad because we got beat by Denver. Lets see were the season ends up and what happens then we will have a far better idea. Even if this is OB's last season, and I'm not opposed to that right now, the next guy is not coming into a broken team that will take years to fix. On paper offense wise we are one of the most talent heavy teams in the NFL and even defense wise we are solid with just a few key pieces missing. Our defense is in far better shape than KC's and our offense in far better shape than NE's. The real question is and always has been if our HC and QB situation is in better, worse or equal shape.
 
What a game manager. :cowboy1:

Jimmy just won the biggest shootout of the season against what is arguably the other best team in the league with 4 TD's and 349 yards passing. A wild 4th quarter where he had to put his team in position to close it out like he has many times before already.

I think that makes Jimmy G like 17-4 or something like that since becoming the starter of team that was in the gutter.

Um.....I can show you stats and games where Matt Schaub play great in shootouts.

Yeah....the Niners defense and run game has A lot to do with that record.
 
Any other QB I could see it, but not Brady. I don't think Ob would bring Brady here even if he knew it would guarantee a SB win.
I’m in the Brady is washed up camp. I believe if Watson was available to BB, then he wouldn’t hesitate to bring him in. I’m also in the OB can’t develop a team unless they’re all pros camp, but even then he’ll manage to lose in the playoffs.
I’m just tired of the offense looking like crap after 6 years.
 
What a game manager. :cowboy1:

Jimmy just won the biggest shootout of the season against what is arguably the other best team in the league with 4 TD's and 349 yards passing. A wild 4th quarter where he had to put his team in position to close it out like he has many times before already.

I think that makes Jimmy G like 17-4 or something like that since becoming the starter of team that was in the gutter.

Quoted for truth

I really wonder if other posters even watch other teams before posting their thoughts.
 
I do, which is why I get frustrated with OB and his coaches. They seem to have a good gameplan and then stink it up.

Some do and some dont. Can you imagine the uproar if the Pats gameplan had been used by BOB against the Chiefs?
 
I’m in the Brady is washed up camp. I believe if Watson was available to BB, then he wouldn’t hesitate to bring him in. I’m also in the OB can’t develop a team unless they’re all pros camp, but even then he’ll manage to lose in the playoffs.
I’m just tired of the offense looking like crap after 6 years.

Yeah but you are forgetting that OB made national news by yelling at Brady. That was when Brady was still some what coachable and hadn't developed fully so now that he has I doubt he would listen to anything OB says.
 
Just for grins and giggles ... Jimmy G when he took over SF, and Schauby when he took over in HOU:
RkPlayerFromToAVGQBrecCmpAttCmp%YdsTDRateLngIntSkYdsY/AAY/ANY/AANY/AAttYdsTDY/ALngRecYdsTDY/RLng
1Jimmy Garoppolo2017201972217-4-044666067.6552337100.07519483368.48.197.337.16619121.5131-60-6.00
2Matt Schaub20072009333819-19-0839125267.0100545394.27734644248.07.657.326.969617721.819000



 
Just for grins and giggles ... Jimmy G when he took over SF, and Schauby when he took over in HOU:
RkPlayerFromToAVGQBrecCmpAttCmp%YdsTDRateLngIntSkYdsY/AAY/ANY/AANY/AAttYdsTDY/ALngRecYdsTDY/RLng
1Jimmy Garoppolo2017201972217-4-044666067.6552337100.07519483368.48.197.337.16619121.5131-60-6.00
2Matt Schaub20072009333819-19-0839125267.0100545394.27734644248.07.657.326.969617721.819000



Other than record Schaub compares favorably, and the record is mostly a reflection of the horrible defenses Schaub had
 
Yeah but you are forgetting that OB made national news by yelling at Brady. That was when Brady was still some what coachable and hadn't developed fully so now that he has I doubt he would listen to anything OB says.

Total speculative nonsense based on nothing that has ever happened.

FACTS: Brady and OB had an amazing season together. Brady listened to him.

Anything else is pure conjecture on your part based on nothing.
 
Um.....I can show you stats and games where Matt Schaub play great in shootouts.

Yeah....the Niners defense and run game has A lot to do with that record.

What a weak "non response" trying to drag Schaub into this again instead of addressing what Jimmy G has actually done in the 21 starts he has had with San Fran and a few that he had in NE along with what was almost a 50 point shoot out against a strong defense right after you said this.

Factually you are wrong. And even based on what you speculate there is no evidence to suggest it or even make that case.
 
What a game manager. :cowboy1:

Jimmy just won the biggest shootout of the season against what is arguably the other best team in the league with 4 TD's and 349 yards passing. A wild 4th quarter where he had to put his team in position to close it out like he has many times before already.

I think that makes Jimmy G like 17-4 or something like that since becoming the starter of team that was in the gutter.
Any regrets on trading him?
 
Total speculative nonsense based on nothing that has ever happened.

FACTS: Brady and OB had an amazing season together. Brady listened to him.

Anything else is pure conjecture on your part based on nothing.

So Bill O'Brien didn't make national news because he and Brady got into an argument? You know I would go drag the clips in but its not worth the time and if you are just going to say it never happened then...….ok.

Also, no by any standard they did NOT have an amazing season together seeing as that was the only season since 2002 since not only didn't they make the playoffs but they didn't even win their division. If that's what you call an amazing season then how the hell can you rag on BoB with the Texans as almost every season has been an even more amazing season by those standards.

Finally, yeah, Brady was more coachable and wasn't fully developed at that point. If you really believe that after 2 decades and 6 SBs he's still just as coachable and just as willing to listen now as then well again I don't know what you say to you. Sounds like everything you are saying is just based on your own opinions that you are trying to claim as facts.
 
So Bill O'Brien didn't make national news because he and Brady got into an argument? You know I would go drag the clips in but its not worth the time and if you are just going to say it never happened then...….ok.

Also, no by any standard they did NOT have an amazing season together seeing as that was the only season since 2002 since not only didn't they make the playoffs but they didn't even win their division. If that's what you call an amazing season then how the hell can you rag on BoB with the Texans as almost every season has been an even more amazing season by those standards.

Finally, yeah, Brady was more coachable and wasn't fully developed at that point. If you really believe that after 2 decades and 6 SBs he's still just as coachable and just as willing to listen now as then well again I don't know what you say to you. Sounds like everything you are saying is just based on your own opinions that you are trying to claim as facts.


Brady came out and apologized directly after that game and said that his behavior was disrespectful. He did the same thing both times after he behaved that way.

Everything you're posting about this or with the reference to OB in it is total fake news. I'm not going to waste time even addressing the rest of the conspiracy stuff from an incident that happened like 10 yrs on a team you don't even follow.
 
Brady came out and apologized directly after that game and said that his behavior was disrespectful. He did the same thing both times after he behaved that way.

Everything you're posting about this or with the reference to OB in it is total fake news. I'm not going to waste time even addressing the rest of the conspiracy stuff from an incident that happened like 10 yrs on a team you don't even follow.

:lol:

In other words you got proven to have your "facts" wrong so now you are going to pull the "its fake news" crap. So which part is fake news? The fact they didn't make the playoffs or win the division in 08? The fact that Brady and BoB got into a yelling match that made national news? Oh and what was the conspiracy? The idea that a 20 year vet, 6 SB winning QB wouldn't be as willing to listen as a then, what, 8 year vet with 3 SB wins? That's not a conspiracy that just makes sense.

I may not follow the Pats like you claim to but apparently you don't know the team history. That or you just spoke without checking your without checking your facts and then couldn't admit you made a mistake.
 
:lol:

In other words you got proven to have your "facts" wrong so now you are going to pull the "its fake news" crap. So which part is fake news? The fact they didn't make the playoffs or win the division in 08? The fact that Brady and BoB got into a yelling match that made national news? Oh and what was the conspiracy? The idea that a 20 year vet, 6 SB winning QB wouldn't be as willing to listen as a then, what, 8 year vet with 3 SB wins? That's not a conspiracy that just makes sense.

I may not follow the Pats like you claim to but apparently you don't know the team history. That or you just spoke without checking your without checking your facts and then couldn't admit you made a mistake.

Let me know when there is one argument on this site. ONE. That isn't total speculative nonsense that is all "Maverick thinks so" without a single stat or fact based bullet point to substantiate it. Every single argument you make on this site is that.

*Watson is guaranteed to get injured and lose his career in the 2019 season without the Tunsil trade (That already didn't happen in 2018 season)
*Brady wouldn't listen to O'Brien. He was this way then, because I know him and I was there. Lol (Even though he did)

Its all CNN type of rhetoric of gloom and doom.
 
Let me know when there is one argument on this site. ONE. That isn't total speculative nonsense that is all "Maverick thinks so" without a single stat or fact based bullet point to substantiate it. Every single argument you make on this site is that.

*Watson is guaranteed to get injured and lose his career in the 2019 season without the Tunsil trade (That already didn't happen in 2018 season)
*Brady wouldn't listen to O'Brien. He was this way then, because I know him and I was there. Lol (Even though he did)

Its all CNN type of rhetoric of gloom and doom.

WTF are you talking about? No seriously WTF are you rambling about? Go find one damn time where I EVER said Watson was guaranteed to get injured without Tunsil. I said the trade was made to keep Watson from getting broken in half.

Go find one time where I ever said Brady wouldn't listen to O'Brien. I said a 20 year vet isn't going to listen to anybody like an 8 year vet would. Why, because he is Tom F'ing Brady, he has seen and done it all and frankly doesn't need the coaching. You want to talk about fake news well you just pull crap out of your ass and then claim it as facts.

Also I back what I say up with facts and I double check them unlike you who said "They had an amazing season together". It was the first time since 2002 and the only time since that the Pats didn't make the playoffs or win their division. And yet you are going to sit there and claim I don't back anything up? I'm seriously starting to think you have me mixed up with someone else seeing as I have NEVER been all doom and gloom and again I always use facts unless I'm flat out saying its my opinion or theory.

Honestly though I don't know why I'm bothering to talk to you since you clearly have no clue what has been said by who and you just spout things off and start rambling without ever actually checking anything.

Oh and FYI, Watson had a partially collapsed lung and a broken rib in 2018, maybe that's not a big deal to you but I'm pretty sure to most teams your franchise QB having to take a bus because he can't fly is cause for concern.
 
Lol! Back to back SB's? Was that supposed to be a serious question?
Overheard a couple of Pats fans expressing that it was hard watching JG being successful in SF knowing that the GOAT could call it quits soon. Pats fans all love Brady of course, but many concerned about what's next.
 
WTF are you talking about? No seriously WTF are you rambling about? Go find one damn time where I EVER said Watson was guaranteed to get injured without Tunsil. I said the trade was made to keep Watson from getting broken in half.

Go find one time where I ever said Brady wouldn't listen to O'Brien. I said a 20 year vet isn't going to listen to anybody like an 8 year vet would. Why, because he is Tom F'ing Brady, he has seen and done it all and frankly doesn't need the coaching. You want to talk about fake news well you just pull crap out of your ass and then claim it as facts.

Also I back what I say up with facts and I double check them unlike you who said "They had an amazing season together". It was the first time since 2002 and the only time since that the Pats didn't make the playoffs or win their division. And yet you are going to sit there and claim I don't back anything up? I'm seriously starting to think you have me mixed up with someone else seeing as I have NEVER been all doom and gloom and again I always use facts unless I'm flat out saying its my opinion or theory.

Fake News again^^^^^

O'Brien got there In 2008 The Patriots went 11-5 and did really well with Cassell where the offense was on fire by the end of the year. They didn't make the playoffs because another team in their division had a better divisional record for the tie breaker, so they couldn't get in even though they were better than certain division winners themselves record wise. SLOPPY ARGUMENT that clearly you didn't research. 11-5 is bad now? Lol!

O'Brien worked his way up to OC by 2011 and they went 13-3. His tenure and success with the Patriots is well documented and its why he got job offers with other teams and then Penn State. They went to the SB for crying out loud.


Let me see you try to post the stats of O'Brien on the Patriots as OC and show me where the Patriots offense was so bad. K-Dog tried making this argument months ago, and the facts shot that right out of the water.



Honestly though I don't know why I'm bothering to talk to you since you clearly have no clue what has been said by who and you just spout things off and start rambling without ever actually checking anything.

You're just humiliating yourself by going off topic half the time and using speculative arguments that are destined to fail or have already been proven wrong.


Oh and FYI, Watson had a partially collapsed lung and a broken rib in 2018, maybe that's not a big deal to you but I'm pretty sure to most teams your franchise QB having to take a bus because he can't fly is cause for concern.

Now here you go with a ton of excuses that you blow off an every other QB. Now offensive line matters? When we discussed the Patriots didn't matter one bit. Sorry, but you contradict yourself all over the place like a toddler who can't lie well. Take a hike and watch more O'Brien failures. You deserve to lose as fan.
 
Overheard a couple of Pats fans expressing that it was hard watching JG being successful in SF knowing that the GOAT could call it quits soon. Pats fans all love Brady of course, but many concerned about what's next.

It was sort of a tough decision at the time, because many knew how good Jimmy was and would be.

Brady had just had the best comeback of all time and arguably his best season ever. He then comes back and gets the MVP and breaks the passing record in the SB that year barely losing due to their defense and wins another SB last season. Highly doubtful Jimmy could have done that with all of the injuries and bad receivers and everything else that went on. So, no way would I feel regret in that. Sucks not to have Jimmy, but I'll root for him in San Fran. It doesn't feel bad at all.
 
38-3 against a 4-8 team in just a little more than two quarters of football.

This is O'Brien's legacy. Finally beat the Patriots, but then comes out completely flat in every phase of the game the next week.

The only consistency is inconsistency.

However much longer O'Brien is here, the last 8 days is where you should adjust your expectations. Making him in control of three levels of football operations just reveals how utterly clueless this owner is at the end of the day.

Y'all can take apart my opinions, chop 'em up, spit them out, try to refute, whine/bitch/moan. . .I really don't care. My truth is that O'Brien is mediocre at best. He's not even worthy to be compared to Marty Schottenheimer. At least Marty's teams could be consistent and dominate crap teams when they were good.

No, O'Brien will ultimately be his own adjective. That of a know-it-all coach wrapped in ego and hubris with a salty demeanor.

This product is losing its entertainment value.
 
Fake News again^^^^^

O'Brien got there In 2008 The Patriots went 11-5 and did really well with Cassell where the offense was on fire by the end of the year. They didn't make the playoffs because another team in their division had a better divisional record for the tie breaker, so they couldn't get in even though they were better than certain division winners themselves record wise. SLOPPY ARGUMENT that clearly you didn't research. 11-5 is bad now? Lol!

O'Brien worked his way up to OC by 2011 and they went 13-3. His tenure and success with the Patriots is well documented and its why he got job offers with other teams and then Penn State. They went to the SB for crying out loud.



Let me see you try to post the stats of O'Brien on the Patriots as OC and show me where the Patriots offense was so bad. K-Dog tried making this argument months ago, and the facts shot that right out of the water.





You're just humiliating yourself by going off topic half the time and using speculative arguments that are destined to fail or have already been proven wrong.




Now here you go with a ton of excuses that you blow off an every other QB. Now offensive line matters? When we discussed the Patriots didn't matter one bit. Sorry, but you contradict yourself all over the place like a toddler who can't lie well. Take a hike and watch more O'Brien failures. You deserve to lose as fan.

And again this is why I don't think you actually know who has said what and you have gotten people mixed up. I NEVER ONCE SAID BILL O'BRIEN WAS BAD IN NE. Never, not once, go find ANY post where I did. In fact I was there when you were making that argument with Kdog and was backing up what you were saying. ALL I said was that Bill O'Brien wouldn't bring Tom Brady here, and news flash that was said mostly as a joke. In fact I didn't bring up NE until you started spouting off about they had an amazing season together and in 2008 no they didn't. If you want to change it around to 2011 then fine yes 2011 was a MUCH better year but we weren't talking about 2011.

Also what the hell do you keep calling "speculative arguments"? And when did I ever say lines don't matter? Seriously Tex I REALLY think you have gotten your posters mixed up or you read something that wasn't said. As for the rest I'll "watch more O'Brien failures", and FYI I'm not sure if you are attacking OB or defending him these days, but I'll also watch the Pats continue to go down hill as Brady refuses to release his death grip on the QB position. You say I contradict myself, I don't, but all you have are personal attacks and insults. I've noticed you've gotten worse since the Pats started their losing streak. Its actually sad really.

Either way I think I'm done with this conversation. All you do, and all you have ever done, is just attack people and throw insults around. I'm not sure why you post on these boards or watch this team since you clearly don't like either but then some people just seem to enjoy trolling so whatever.
 
Overheard a couple of Pats fans expressing that it was hard watching JG being successful in SF knowing that the GOAT could call it quits soon. Pats fans all love Brady of course, but many concerned about what's next.

Most Patriots fans are band wagoners anyways so - those type of fans will join the other lemmings to follow another franchise to jump off a cliff for.
 
And again this is why I don't think you actually know who has said what and you have gotten people mixed up. I NEVER ONCE SAID BILL O'BRIEN WAS BAD IN NE. Never, not once, go find ANY post where I did. In fact I was there when you were making that argument with Kdog and was backing up what you were saying. ALL I said was that Bill O'Brien wouldn't bring Tom Brady here, and news flash that was said mostly as a joke. In fact I didn't bring up NE until you started spouting off about they had an amazing season together and in 2008 no they didn't. If you want to change it around to 2011 then fine yes 2011 was a MUCH better year but we weren't talking about 2011.

Don't try black pedaling now. You made speculative statements about how Brady would or wouldn't act with O'Brien and claiming how he'd be different at all these other times. Keep up with what you are saying.

Also what the hell do you keep calling "speculative arguments"? And when did I ever say lines don't matter? Seriously Tex I REALLY think you have gotten your posters mixed up or you read something that wasn't said. As for the rest I'll "watch more O'Brien failures", and FYI I'm not sure if you are attacking OB or defending him these days, but I'll also watch the Pats continue to go down hill as Brady refuses to release his death grip on the QB position. You say I contradict myself, I don't, but all you have are personal attacks and insults. I've noticed you've gotten worse since the Pats started their losing streak. Its actually sad really.

My thoughts on OB are clear. I can't stand the guy, and have wanted him gone almost two years now. That doesn't mean I won't correct something being said about him that is false.

As far as the Pats go, stop deflecting your pain and behavior on me. You're the one that brought them up in this thread and have deflected to them on other threads when you can't rebuttal something else. Do we need to back up the thread timeline so you can see? Need me to post the examples? Don't try about the Patriots being discussed when you can't keep dragging them into discussions.

Either way I think I'm done with this conversation. All you do, and all you have ever done, is just attack people and throw insults around. I'm not sure why you post on these boards or watch this team since you clearly don't like either but then some people just seem to enjoy trolling so whatever.

You haven't been attacked personally a single time. Lol! You're just wimping out of an argument because I posted the facts that conflicted with what you tried to put forth. And even with this statement you use the "You're not a fan" line to try and tell someone they shouldn't be here because they don't homer hard enough. GTFO.
 
Don't try black pedaling now. You made speculative statements about how Brady would or wouldn't act with O'Brien and claiming how he'd be different at all these other times. Keep up with what you are saying.

My thoughts on OB are clear. I can't stand the guy, and have wanted him gone almost two years now. That doesn't mean I won't correct something being said about him that is false.

As far as the Pats go, stop deflecting your pain and behavior on me. You're the one that brought them up in this thread and have deflected to them on other threads when you can't rebuttal something else. Do we need to back up the thread timeline so you can see? Need me to post the examples? Don't try about the Patriots being discussed when you can't keep dragging them into discussions.

You haven't been attacked personally a single time. Lol! You're just wimping out of an argument because I posted the facts that conflicted with what you tried to put forth. And even with this statement you use the "You're not a fan" line to try and tell someone they shouldn't be here because they don't homer hard enough. GTFO.

This is going to get us no where and I'm tired of the pointless arguing. I would say we can agree to disagree but honestly there is nothing here even to agree or disagree on. You seemed to have read what I wrote one way and nothing I say will convince you other wise and really I no longer care to try. Likewise you keep saying that I said this or that in the past but haven't quoted a single post where I said any of that beyond today so whatever.


I still think you have me confused with someone else or you have just completely forgotten what was said and when but again its not worth it. Have a good one Tex and if you want to get the last word in and declare victory then by all means be my guest. :BananaWav
 
I actually think they were arguing about it right up until KC took the decision out of their hands and Watson became the default choice.

More than likely they agreed on how much they were willing to give to trade up. For all we know they had Mahomes rated higher, as a group. But if they were only willing to trade up to 12, like you said the decision was made for them.
 
More than likely they agreed on how much they were willing to give to trade up. For all we know they had Mahomes rated higher, as a group. But if they were only willing to trade up to 12, like you said the decision was made for them.

This is a theory I’ve mentioned before but I can’t help but wonder if the Osweiler trade was part of a larger deal between the Texans and Browns to move up if there was a QB on the board we wanted. I have nothing to back this up other than the only team we made deals with that year was the Browns and we made a bunch of deals with them and that, as others have shown, it made more sense numbers wise to cut Osweiler, take the dead money hit and keep the pick.

I don’t know maybe the two deals had nothing to do with each other and OB or RS or both really did just want Osweiler gone that badly but it just seems strange.
 
Most Patriots fans are band wagoners anyways so - those type of fans will join the other lemmings to follow another franchise to jump off a cliff for.

I used to think that, then I moved to Massachusetts. Real football fans who support the Pats here are generally a decent thoughtful bunch who appreciate the run they've had and know it could vanish in a heartbeat. They're like us, they love their team, they argue about the same kind of stuff we argue about and they have a healthy dose of paranoia just like we do. Sure they have their fair share of yahoos too, but every team does.

I think what you've observed are the non-local fans who started following the Pats because of the glory. Which probably isn't "most patriots fans'.

Can't stand then myself.
 
This is a theory I’ve mentioned before but I can’t help but wonder if the Osweiler trade was part of a larger deal between the Texans and Browns to move up if there was a QB on the board we wanted. I have nothing to back this up other than the only team we made deals with that year was the Browns and we made a bunch of deals with them and that, as others have shown, it made more sense numbers wise to cut Osweiler, take the dead money hit and keep the pick.

I don’t know maybe the two deals had nothing to do with each other and OB or RS or both really did just want Osweiler gone that badly but it just seems strange.

I'll always view the signing of Osweiler as a McNair move. RS got on board b/c he was given his marching orders and doing as instructed. I think Osweiler's sole value in the eyes of McNair......he beat the Patriots while putting up some decent numbers during his short stint as starting QB. The Patriots game elevated his stock.

When OB stated he only coaches the players he's given.....when asked about Osweiler, pretty much summed it up for me that he was not n the talks when it was decided to sign him. Anyone in here remember when the two of them got along great? In my mind, OB pushed the team to trade Osweiler b/c he felt like he wasn't going to win with him as starting QB.

Watson's in the same boat. He's not a OB hand selected pick.....he's a RS pick. The difference, Watson's proven to have talent and is capable of winning games. I think if OB had a way to put Watson in the dog house he probably would. OB is set in his ways and I just don't see Watson as the QB OB wants running his prized offense. Did anyone else see any photos of OB and other members of the Texans War Room jumping up and slapping high fives or patting RS on the back after the Watson trade-up and pick?

Texans are n another quandary, keep these two together and win just enough to no longer have relevant drafts, fire OB and bring in HC and staff that can build an offense around Watson's strengths, or trade Watson, keep OB and give him the picks needed to rebuild the team in his vision with the QB he's envisioned to run his offense. There really isn't any gray area in what must be done.
 
More than likely they agreed on how much they were willing to give to trade up. For all we know they had Mahomes rated higher, as a group. But if they were only willing to trade up to 12, like you said the decision was made for them.

Another bad decision by RS, not getting the HC the QB he wanted. 2nd time in their 4 yrs together this happened. Yet some on here said there was no dysfunction. LMAO
 
This is a theory I’ve mentioned before but I can’t help but wonder if the Osweiler trade was part of a larger deal between the Texans and Browns to move up if there was a QB on the board we wanted. I have nothing to back this up other than the only team we made deals with that year was the Browns and we made a bunch of deals with them and that, as others have shown, it made more sense numbers wise to cut Osweiler, take the dead money hit and keep the pick.

I don’t know maybe the two deals had nothing to do with each other and OB or RS or both really did just want Osweiler gone that badly but it just seems strange.

Or maybe RS wasn't good at his job and this was his way of cleaning up the mess he made.
 
38-3 against a 4-8 team in just a little more than two quarters of football.

This is O'Brien's legacy. Finally beat the Patriots, but then comes out completely flat in every phase of the game the next week.

The only consistency is inconsistency.

However much longer O'Brien is here, the last 8 days is where you should adjust your expectations. Making him in control of three levels of football operations just reveals how utterly clueless this owner is at the end of the day.

Y'all can take apart my opinions, chop 'em up, spit them out, try to refute, whine/bitch/moan. . .I really don't care. My truth is that O'Brien is mediocre at best. He's not even worthy to be compared to Marty Schottenheimer. At least Marty's teams could be consistent and dominate crap teams when they were good.

No, O'Brien will ultimately be his own adjective. That of a know-it-all coach wrapped in ego and hubris with a salty demeanor.

This product is losing its entertainment value.


But but but he doesn’t have the talent, some have expressed religiously around these parts.

He’s going through another rebuild since RS isn’t here anymore.

His young quarterback is too,”you know what “ to run his high tech system.

Man this team has the talent to do some special things. Unfortunately coaching is holding them back. We’re talking about six years of the same crap.

You know what, this teams identity is...

Drum line please

Mentally Weak!
 
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This is going to get us no where and I'm tired of the pointless arguing. I would say we can agree to disagree but honestly there is nothing here even to agree or disagree on. You seemed to have read what I wrote one way and nothing I say will convince you other wise and really I no longer care to try. Likewise you keep saying that I said this or that in the past but haven't quoted a single post where I said any of that beyond today so whatever.


I still think you have me confused with someone else or you have just completely forgotten what was said and when but again its not worth it. Have a good one Tex and if you want to get the last word in and declare victory then by all means be my guest. :BananaWav


The Watson hater is the one who said *Watson is guaranteed to get injured
 
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