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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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steelbtexan said:
He gave up a 4th that probably will become a 3rd for one of the best 3rd down RB's in the NFL.

He gave up an extra 1st for Tunsil and a 2nd for Stills/2020 4th and a 2021 6th. A fair trade, IMHO

You're right RS isn't around to blame anymore and the mess he left behind will take 3 yrs to overcome.

The team finally has a vision. You may not agree with the vision BOB has but I'm finally glad that there's a vision. I like the new aggressive attitude. Not only the trades but things like cutting Colvin tells me times are changing down on Kirby and all I can say about this is it's about time.
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Absolutely baffling how much you support OB given how you have constantly crushed ownership, and they're the ones giving OB everything he wants. You and "Cletus" appear to have something in common after all.

And if you think paying $16.75M to players that aren't even on the team this season is vision, along with everything else he's done, then you may need to schedule an appointment with Dr. Jeff Whitsett
 
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steelbtexan said:
He gave up a 4th that probably will become a 3rd for one of the best 3rd down RB's in the NFL.

He gave up an extra 1st for Tunsil and a 2nd for Stills/2020 4th and a 2021 6th. A fair trade, IMHO

You're right RS isn't around to blame anymore and the mess he left behind will take 3 yrs to overcome.

The team finally has a vision. You may not agree with the vision BOB has but I'm finally glad that there's a vision. I like the new aggressive attitude. Not only the trades but things like cutting Colvin tells me times are changing down on Kirby and all I can say about this is it's about time.
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Do you like the vision of giving the worst center on the team an extension worth $33 mil and $18.33 mil guaranteed?
I'm all for cutting bait with players that aren't contributing according to their status, but why reward one for lousy play and being continuously injured?
 
steelbtexan said:
Moving on and admitting mistakes that have been made is a huge and positive change. They do have Tunsil/an exta 3rd/extra 4th and a playmaker in Stills. A fair deal that filled a canyon size hole on the OL
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Lol, O'Brien could go winless this season and you would just be happy that we set a new sacks record without Rick Smith. Pretty sure it 5 against a weak defense (missing several linemen to injury and suspension), Tunsil getting one by simply not being quick enough to handle a good jump. MrTex I understand, he's creepy for O'Brien ... you've gotten desperate trying to defend him though.
 
Speedy said:
Absolutely baffling how much you support OB given how you have constantly crushed ownership, and they're the ones giving OB everything he wants. You and "Cletus" appear to have something in common after all.

And if you think paying $16.75M to players that aren't even on the team this season is vision, along with everything else he's done, then you may need to schedule an appointment with Dr. Jeff Whitsett
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I can't figure out what your issues are.

They're paying 16 mil, so what, they have the cap space and it's not going to affect the franchise going forward.

You would think BOB's spending your money to clean up this mess if you didn't know better. They took a flier on Kalil, didn't want Clowney on the team anymore and rightfully moved on from Gaine's Colvin mistake.
 
One of the things that bothers me about O'Brian is how he evaluates talent. He went all the way through training camp thinking Colvin was a starting CB. Same way he thought Savage was a starting QB.

Now we are signing Martin to a big contract so when O'Brian finally figures out that he sucks it will cost us millions to cut him.
 
Bugman7star said:
Unless we lose every game I still feel like OB is going to be here at least another year. Since he traded away so much early round draft capital, he is going to have to make it up with free agents this upcoming Spring. I hope he can attract some solid players with deals that make sense based on the value of the player. It is going to be tough sledding if he doesn't.
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He's used up all the capspace as well.

This team will be full of minimum guys and waiver wire pickups in the coming years
 
DocBar said:
Do you like the vision of giving the worst center on the team an extension worth $33 mil and $18.33 mil guaranteed?
I'm all for cutting bait with players that aren't contributing according to their status, but why reward one for lousy play and being continuously injured?
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I agree with you and would've moved on from Martin
 
steelbtexan said:
I can't figure out what your issues are.

They're paying 16 mil, so what, they have the cap space and it's not going to affect the franchise going forward.

You would think BOB's spending your money to clean up this mess if you didn't know better. They took a flier on Kalil, didn't want Clowney on the team anymore and rightfully moved on from Gaine's Colvin mistake.
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VALUE AND TALENT EVALUATION!!!!!!
That's my damn issue! Bill O'Brien has no concept of either!!!

You're the one constantly bitching about them not spending money, but now you have no problem with them throwing it out the window? Get real.
 
Scooter said:
Lol, O'Brien could go winless this season and you would just be happy that we set a new sacks record without Rick Smith. Pretty sure it 5 against a weak defense (missing several linemen to injury and suspension), Tunsil getting one by simply not being quick enough to handle a good jump. MrTex I understand, he's creepy for O'Brien ... you've gotten desperate trying to defend him though.
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Just because I like the new direction of the franchise, doesn't mean I like everything they do. See: the Martin extension and the handling of the Clowney situation.
 
TheKDog said:
I'm counting all the upcoming extensions, particularly Watson and Tunsil, and the fact that we won't have first round picks on cheap contracts
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You have to pay top talent and there is cap space to do the extensions. Plus the cap goes up every yr. With the new CBA the cap is likely to go up more than normal.

Don't fret this.
 
Speedy said:
VALUE AND TALENT EVALUATION!!!!!!
That's my damn issue! Bill O'Brien has no concept of either!!!

You're the one constantly bitching about them not spending money, but now you have no problem with them throwing it out the window? Get real.
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This is a 1 yr hit.

It won't affect the cap next year.

Find something that might actually hurt the team to ***** about.
 
Speedy said:
So far OB has traded a 3rd for a backup RB, gave away a Pro-Bowl edge guy for a 3rd and 2 scrubs, gave up two 1st and a 2nd for LT, and a 3rd/4th WR, and signed Nick freaking Martin to where he’s the 2nd highest paid C in the NFL.

That’s all with everyone gone, no Rick Smith to blame, no Brian Gaine to blame, it’s all him. You think the org is in good hands with all of that?

You’re right, if the TO/challenge thing is the worst thing he does, then things would be great. Problem is, there is worse. There’s plenty of worse.
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Exactly but like I mentioned before Steel is on board with this because Obrien is doing things his way. He's always wanted to over spend and Mortgage the future for who he thinks or want on this team.
 
steelbtexan said:
I can't figure out what your issues are.

They're paying 16 mil, so what, they have the cap space and it's not going to affect the franchise going forward.

You would think BOB's spending your money to clean up this mess if you didn't know better. They took a flier on Kalil, didn't want Clowney on the team anymore and rightfully moved on from Gaine's Colvin mistake.
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You do know that unused cap space rolls over to the following year right ?


This will have an impact on the future because of that fact ….

What could you do with an extra $16m next offseason when you don't have a #1 to play with.

That is essentially Watson on another year on a rookie scale contract.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a 1 yr hit.

It won't affect the cap next year.

Find something that might actually hurt the team to ***** about.
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Basically...Alot of what's going on now has to do with money re-allocation for the protection of the future of our franchise for at least the next 10 years in DW4. Those bent out of shape over the next couple of drafts & dead cap space are only looking at the short term.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just because I like the new direction of the franchise, doesn't mean I like everything they do. See: the Martin extension and the handling of the Clowney situation.
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New direction? No GM, no offensive coordinator, no offensive playcaller, still on the sidelines wearing someone else's hat when he should be making crucial decisions (Shane Lechler not around to bail him out anymore), mortgaging our future for one fairly unproven offensive lineman who gave up a sack in game 1 against a weak rusher, losing the best run defender in the league, interior line is still a joke (and getting paid for it) and have no coaching, calls are between silly and moronic (should've been slapped for the second flip to Stills), dead cap money is on the rise, inconsistency with position groups is still the trend.

But we shot ourselves in the foot for one lineman - new direction.
 
Scooter said:
New direction? No GM, no offensive coordinator, no offensive playcaller, still on the sidelines wearing someone else's hat when he should be making crucial decisions (Shane Lechler not around to bail him out anymore), mortgaging our future for one fairly unproven offensive lineman who gave up a sack in game 1 against a weak rusher, losing the best run defender in the league, interior line is still a joke (and getting paid for it) and have no coaching, calls are between silly and moronic (should've been slapped for the second flip to Stills), dead cap money is on the rise, inconsistency with position groups is still the trend.

But we shot ourselves in the foot for one lineman - new direction.
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Lol all I can say is some fans.
 
steelbtexan said:
Fair enough,

Be reasonable about your criticisms the team lost, but they were 6 seconds away fom beating a team that should've been in the SB last yr in prime time.

They certainly didn't lay the egg in primetime that many here predicted.
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Sure they were, but you know what, they're still 0-1. I've made several comments how they did more than I expected, how it was actually an exiting game for a change, but in the end, it's another loss. The shoulda/coulda/woulda's don't cut it.

You want to turn things around, that's the game you need to win and they didn't.

Just finished the all-22 and as I pointed out in the OL thread, they weren't good, particularly Henderson. And honestly, Tunsil looked average at best, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt since he's only been here a week. But Henderson isn't the answer at RT so we'll see how long it takes for somebody to figure that out. Probably won't be until after they give him an extension though.
 
Speedy said:
Sure they were, but you know what, they're still 0-1. I've made several comments how they did more than I expected, how it was actually an exiting game for a change, but in the end, it's another loss. The shoulda/coulda/woulda's don't cut it.

You want to turn things around, that's the game you need to win and they didn't.

Just finished the all-22 and as I pointed out in the OL thread, they weren't good, particularly Henderson. And honestly, Tunsil looked average at best, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt since he's only been here a week. But Henderson isn't the answer at RT so we'll see how long it takes for somebody to figure that out. Probably won't be until after they give him an extension though.
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LOL

Henderson was bad last night.
 
Speedy said:
Sure they were, but you know what, they're still 0-1. I've made several comments how they did more than I expected, how it was actually an exiting game for a change, but in the end, it's another loss. The shoulda/coulda/woulda's don't cut it.

You want to turn things around, that's the game you need to win and they didn't.

Just finished the all-22 and as I pointed out in the OL thread, they weren't good, particularly Henderson. And honestly, Tunsil looked average at best, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt since he's only been here a week. But Henderson isn't the answer at RT so we'll see how long it takes for somebody to figure that out. Probably won't be until after they give him an extension though.
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Stop. I rewatched the game as well & Outside of the 1st 2 drives, Henderson was relatively solid. Cam Jordan wasn't heard from a whole lot after those initial drives. & 2 of the longest runs of the night for both Duke & Hyde came off of seal blocks executed by Martin. The o-line played pretty well considering where they were playing & it was the 1st time that unit had played together. Alot of the issues they had mostly had to do with crowd noise and the newness of the group playing together for the 1st time. NO took advantage of that. They were also blitzing alot...they sent TONS of delayed blitzes b/c they couldn't consistently get home with just the 4 man rush........which is what was happening all last year. The only real significant weak spot was Kelemete who got put on his ass at least once that i recall after i rewatched the game specifically looking at the o-line.

The qb hits and sack numbers are somewhat overblown imo. Only a select few of those hits & sacks were legit where guys just got beat & were overmatched & All qb hits are not equal. FFS, Watson's knee grazing the defender as he jumped into the end zone on a designed run technically counts as a qb hit. A bunch of other hits he took came off of secondary rushes after 2-3 seconds b/c DW4 was holding the ball.
 
steelbtexan said:
Fair enough,

Be reasonable about your criticisms the team lost, but they were 6 seconds away fom beating a team that should've been in the SB last yr in prime time.

They certainly didn't lay the egg in primetime that many here predicted.
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Might not have layed that type of egg but they still layed a egg. You get my drift.

This is the 4th time we lost like this to an elite competitor. It's called a trend.
 
Mr teX said:
I rewatched the game as well & Outside of the 1st 2 drives, Henderson was relatively solid.
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LMFAO!! More proof that some of you need to stop watching games under whatever influence it is you are.

Thanks for the laugh man, that was great. If you think that was a solid performance, all I can say is bless your little heart. Dude was getting beat one on one and slow to pick up stunts all freaking night long. Have no idea what the hell you were watching.

Overall, they looked like a unit that has never played together. Maybe that gets better over time, but also it's something that should have been taken care of in the summer. Too busy playing musical chairs with that, I guess. But Seantrell Henderson was not good in that game. At all.
 
Speedy said:
LMFAO!! More proof that some of you need to stop watching games under whatever influence it is you are.

Thanks for the laugh man, that was great. If you think that was a solid performance, all I can say is bless your little heart. Dude was getting beat one on one and slow to pick up stunts all freaking night long. Have no idea what the hell you were watching.

Overall, they looked like a unit that has never played together. Maybe that gets better over time, but also it's something that should have been taken care of in the summer. Too busy playing musical chairs with that, I guess. But Seantrell Henderson was not good in that game. At all.
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Lol, outside of the 1st couple of drives where he and the entire o-line struggled, he did play fairly solid imo. He was slow in picking up exactly 1 damn stunt ...but again, that was in those first couple of drives where they all had communication issues.

Seth Payne is literally largely echoing my sentiments about Martin and the o-line’s play in the game on the radio as I type this. Said there was much more cohesion in this game than he saw at any point last year. Guys knew their assignments and got there. He Writes off a few of the sacks due to the newness of Tunsil. He did mention Henderson’s play as a little “concerning”, but not outright bad as you’re asserting.

Lol, think it’s u who needs to stop watching games.
 
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Mr teX said:
Lol, outside of the 1st couple of drives where he and the entire o-line struggled, he did play fairly solid imo. He was slow in picking up exactly 1 damn stunt ...but again, that was in those first couple of drives where they all had communication issues.

Seth Payne is literally largely echoing my sentiments about Martin and the o-line’s play in the game on the radio as I type this. Said there was much more cohesion in this game than he saw at any point last year. Guys knew their assignments and got there. He Writes off a few of the sacks due to the newness of Tunsil. He did mention Henderson’s play as a little “concerning”, but not outright bad as you’re asserting.

Lol, think it’s u who needs to stop watching games.
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There was no freaking cohesiveness like that. So many blown blocking assignments, which is to expected. Now they did look good in spruts, which is a very good sign they will/should develop by week 4 or 5.
 
Corrosion said:
How bout a squib kick instead of kicking it deep after the go ahead TD.

Burn some clock!!!

No … Lets kick it deep and give Brees the ball at the 25.
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Let’s say we squib kick and the ball takes a weird bounce, kicks up in the air and is fielded by the Saints at their 35 or 40 yr line. Oblong balls can do weird things when they hit the ground. I think BOB would’ve been absolutely crucified if that happened. Nine out ten times when teams use a squib kicks it’s at the end of the half or the game and they are trying to prevent a return, without concern about field position

Or, worse yet, what if this happened

 
Looking at it more, I don't think it was a good situation for a squib kick.

There were still 37 seconds left so the squib wouldn't run out the clock. It would take more time off but then they'd have better field position.

It would make sense if it could either a) run out the clock or b) you are avoiding a dangerous returner who might score a TD

But we're really trying to prevent a field goal there, not a TD, so field position was more important
 
TheKDog said:
Looking at it more, I don't think it was a good situation for a squib kick.

There were still 37 seconds left so the squib wouldn't run out the clock. It would take more time off but then they'd have better field position.

It would make sense if it could either a) run out the clock or b) you are avoiding a dangerous returner who might score a TD

But we're really trying to prevent a field goal there, not a TD, so field position was more important
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The talk is if Colvin would have done his job on the last play the Texans would have won, but if the refs would have done theirs there would have been 26 secs left, not 16. Could the Texans have scored in about 20 secs or would NO have just ran it off the clock?
 
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