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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

TheKDog said:
There have been several sources that have indicated to me that many players on the team do not like Bill O'Brien. Two sources even used the term "hate."

That's when this little nugget got dropped on me:

"Bill O'Brien is running Clowney out of town."

At the end of March, O'Brien said "I really have a great fondness for Jadeveon Clowney," at the Annual League Meeting in Phoenix. However, that may not be the real case.

According to several sources, O'Brien is not a fan of Clowney's approach to the game, and feels that Clowney didn't work hard enough last season in returning from surgery. I guess we know for sure where the comments about Clowney not being "the worker bee" some of his defensive teammates (JJ Watt) are came from.

You may also recall the comments from O'Brien in Clowney's rookie season on how JD needed to learn to play with pain, and the team questioned his desire to play in regards to a knee injury he suffered Week 1. He then returned to the team only to make the knee injury significantly worse, and need microfracture surgery. Clowney then returned to the field the following year from microfracture surgery faster than any player in the history of the league. Maybe the accounting of his lack of work ethic is overstated?

The disdain that O'Brien has for Clowney has apparently been simmering for years, and Clowney is wise to it. As a result, Clowney will not give the Texans the contractual discount they are asking of him. He wants to get paid full market rate, and O'Brien isn't happy about it.

It's also why the Texans shopped Clowney this offseason. Sources said if the Texans could have gotten a "Khalil Mack type of deal" for Clowney, they would have pulled the trigger in a heartbeat.



https://houston.sportsmap.com/brian...unning-out-of-town?rebelltitem=3#rebelltitem3
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Opinion piece just like the one you dissed out of Boston but not near as credible
 
https://twitter.com/Cody_Stoots/status/1148781906173026304

Jadeveon Clowney has missed two games the past three seasons due to injury. He missed one more in that span but the team held him out against Green Bay in '16 because a game against the Colts was the following week. I don't see how his health could still be a negative emphasis.
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I guess the hot topic now will be that Clowney is a greedy bastard and he should burn in hell for wanting so much money? The longer the team waits .. the more it will cost! And in all actuality if the team wants to take the attitude of some contributors here "ahhh screw him, force him to take the franchise tag for two years and then fk him and the horse he rode in on arrrghhhh" then the funny thing is that Clowney only needs to play 6 games for the money to be guaranteed and then he can become a nuisance or fake an injury or whatever to sit out and not risk his future on the dysfunction of the current team.

Texans have no leverage, the more news that comes out, the more incompetent they seem. They are so stupid they dont know what to do with him! Obviously you cant trade away your 2nd best defender right, but then they dont want to pay that guy the market valuation, instead trying to circumvent the negligible amount of money between the two positions (OLB,DE) showing how cheap and petty they really are and losing any leverage on strong returns because of the gossip and rumor that keeps coming out of their offices. The Khalil Mack deal came out of left field and both teams felt happy about the compensation, ANY DEAL INVOLVING CLOWNEY moving forward will be met with a shrug and expected league wide.

So yeah keep banking on Clowney playing happily under a 2 year franchise tag with no guarantee beyond that, im pretty sure that will end well I'll get the popcorn ready.
 
Uncle Rico said:
the funny thing is that Clowney only needs to play 6 games for the money to be guaranteed and then he can become a nuisance or fake an injury or whatever to sit out and not risk his future on the dysfunction of the current team.
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He'd only get paid for the games played so $6 mil in 2019, $7.1 mil in 2020. That's $21.9 mil & 2 years he'll never get back. Yeah right the Texans have no leverage.

And lol @ docs not being able to figure out faking. He pulls that sh!t and it wouldn't even count as a season.

but then they dont want to pay that guy the market valuation, instead trying to circumvent the negligible amount of money between the two positions (OLB,DE) showing how cheap and petty they really are
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Clowney and the Texans have twice agreed to split the difference between OLB & DE. That's not the problem.
 
Uncle Rico said:
https://twitter.com/Cody_Stoots/status/1148781906173026304



I guess the hot topic now will be that Clowney is a greedy bastard and he should burn in hell for wanting so much money? The longer the team waits .. the more it will cost! And in all actuality if the team wants to take the attitude of some contributors here "ahhh screw him, force him to take the franchise tag for two years and then fk him and the horse he rode in on arrrghhhh" then the funny thing is that Clowney only needs to play 6 games for the money to be guaranteed and then he can become a nuisance or fake an injury or whatever to sit out and not risk his future on the dysfunction of the current team.

Texans have no leverage, the more news that comes out, the more incompetent they seem. They are so stupid they dont know what to do with him! Obviously you cant trade away your 2nd best defender right, but then they dont want to pay that guy the market valuation, instead trying to circumvent the negligible amount of money between the two positions (OLB,DE) showing how cheap and petty they really are and losing any leverage on strong returns because of the gossip and rumor that keeps coming out of their offices. The Khalil Mack deal came out of left field and both teams felt happy about the compensation, ANY DEAL INVOLVING CLOWNEY moving forward will be met with a shrug and expected league wide.

So yeah keep banking on Clowney playing happily under a 2 year franchise tag with no guarantee beyond that, im pretty sure that will end well I'll get the popcorn ready.
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Yes, people are starting to see the Texans are a cheapass org.

And I dont want the Texans to re-sign Clowney due to that knee.
 
infantrycak said:
Of course that is a lot of money. But Khalil Mack received $41 mil in the 1st season of his contract, $56.5 mil in 1st 2 seasons, so $21.5 mil more.
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Clowney is not on the same level as Mack. He hasn't earned that kind of a payday.
 
I don't want to lose Clowney, but I would rather franchise him for two years and let him walk than to be saddled with a ridiculous contract. Especially for a player that has an injury history and relies almost exclusively on his athleticism. Just because there is a desperate team out there with money to burn doesn't mean the Texans should overpay.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, people are starting to see the Texans are a cheapass org.

And I dont want the Texans to re-sign Clowney due to that knee.
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I get on OB about a lot. And I actually LOVE Clowney as a player...

But I dont blame OB one bit if he's hesitant on giving him a big contract.

But like I said a while ago, they better have some studs incoming on defense because he's been 1a or 1b on this defense for the past couple years.

Completely disagree with anyone who thinks we will be fine without him without some suitable replacements ready to go.
 
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Courtesy of our friends over at r/Texans. LMAO JD "LIKED" it!!
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I get on OB about a lot. And I actually LOVE Clowney as a player...

But I dont blame OB one bit if he's hesitant on giving him a big contract.

But like I said a while ago, they better have some studs incoming on defense because he's been 1a or 1b on this defense for the past couple years.

Completely disagree with anyone who thinks we will be fine without him without some suitable replacements ready to go.
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Totally agree with you.

Except BPB probably isn't the person making the call on a big contract like the one JDC is going to get.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
So, even when they do something you agree with, they are still wrong. Yet you have no agenda... hmmm
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I don't want them to sign Clowney, but he's saying the Texans are cheap, which I agree with. (2nd most cap space)

These 2things are mutually exclusive.
 
I'm still hoping in the next day or two that Oakland will come calling with a decent package for us and for JD
 
Pharaohcious said:
Will Clowney be traded or just plain let walk and how does a guy who isn't signed get traded? WITHOUT a contract??
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Problem now with the reports that OBrien doesn’t want Clowney long term how can you get anything significant in return? I’ll say it again - the Texans don’t have any leverage and now the death blow would be the trade request from JD. Say hello to a 4th round pick at best. Nice job Texans way to show the world how a GM by commission works.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Problem now with the reports that OBrien doesn’t want Clowney long term how can you get anything significant in return? I’ll say it again - the Texans don’t have any leverage and now the death blow would be the trade request from JD. Say hello to a 4th round pick at best. Nice job Texans way to show the world how a GM by commission works.
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LMAO, the Texans would never trade Clowney for a 4th. They let him walk and they get the 33rd pick in the 3rd. Clowney will be playing on the franchise tag or sitting on the couch, unless a team offers at least a 2nd.
 
http://texanscap.com/2019/07/08/possible-short-term-solution-for-clowney/

Since the shocking news of the termination of Brian Gaine, followed by the debacle in the attempted hiring of Nick Caserio…lost was the fact that Houston was facing another approaching deadline. The organization now has 7 days to complete a long term contract extension with linebacker/defensive end Jadeveon Clowney. Majority of the football community firmly believes Clowney and Houston will not come to an agreement on a long term deal, and Clowney will play the 2019 season on the franchise tag leading to unknown future for the team and Clowney. The result of not signing Clowney will mean Clowney missing all of training camp and preseason with a likely arrival of the week before the regular season starts.

The market for Clowney has been set. The signings of Dee Ford, Trey Flowers, Frank Clark, and Demarcus Lawrence firmly set the baseline for Clowney and Houston to work from. At this point it appears nothing will get done absent Cal McNair stepping in to force an agreement. The baseline numbers have been set by the market: $21 million average per year, $48 million guaranteed at signing, $65 million in total guarantees, and $65 million on a three year cash flow. Either Houston wants Clowney here long term or they don’t, things do not get more simple than that.

Clowney has proven that he can stay healthy with only 3 games missed in the past 3 seasons. Clowney has proven to be a game changing disruptor from multiple positions within the front seven group. One thing is clear…Houston would take a step back if Clowney was not with the team.

Latest reports indicate Clowney is in the “best shape of his NFL career” coupled with the fact that 2019 is the first offseason in which Clowney did not have any surgeries. Clowney is likely doing everything in his power to ensure that he will be in football shape come week 1 of the regular season. Clowney’s conditioning would likely be that much better if he were in Houston this summer during training camp with his teammates. What if there was another solution to assist in bringing Clowney into camp to prepare for the season?
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gs27 said:
LMAO, the Texans would never trade Clowney for a 4th. They let him walk and they get the 33rd pick in the 3rd. Clowney will be playing on the franchise tag or sitting on the couch, unless a team offers at least a 2nd.
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Right so Antonio Brown yields a 3rd and 5th when he crossed his arms and said 'screw you guys trade me' ... and Clowney is going to get you a 2nd? OKAY! Sit around and wait for a compensatory pick that has stipulations? OKAY!

If OBrien knew in his heart he didnt like Clowney the stupid ass should have traded him without showing his hand and then maybe you could have tricked a team into a higher pick, that is out the window now.
 
Uncle Rico said:
If OBrien knew in his heart he didnt like Clowney the stupid ass should have traded him without showing his hand and then maybe you could have tricked a team into a higher pick, that is out the window now.
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Maybe. Hopefully there's a team out there that feels they really need Clowney. The Texans don't have to trade him. He can sit on the bench all year. Like Antonio Brown did.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Right so Antonio Brown yields a 3rd and 5th when he crossed his arms and said 'screw you guys trade me' ... and Clowney is going to get you a 2nd? OKAY! Sit around and wait for a compensatory pick that has stipulations? OKAY!

If OBrien knew in his heart he didnt like Clowney the stupid ass should have traded him without showing his hand and then maybe you could have tricked a team into a higher pick, that is out the window now.
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Brown and Clowney are completely different situations, Dee Ford is similar, but obviously the rest of the league doesn't view Clowney as favorably as Ford. What stipulations? Compensatory picks are just like regular picks now. Only a jackass would take a 4th when you already have a 3rd in the bag. Unlike most here I don't think we have a jackass making that decision.
 
A contract won’t be done before the season. All we can hope for is for Clowney to come in and wreck shop. At that point he’s either traded or we’re paying market value. We’re not getting a discount.

On a related note, this is the last payment of JJ’s guaranteed money; 2 seasons remain after this. 2022 would also mark Watson’s 6th season. Both players would be UFA.

Paying out Clowney’s guarantees before Watson/Watt are up wouldn’t be the worst thing we could do.
 
thunderkyss said:
Maybe. Hopefully there's a team out there that feels they really need Clowney. The Texans don't have to trade him. He can sit on the bench all year. Like Antonio Brown did.
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Having JD pouting and talking down on the team while he sits out the year is not good for anyone involved. The Texans have taken a HUGE PR hit over the last few years, and at some point those chickens will come home to roost if they havent started doing so already ie... having the most cap money and not being able to sign anyone of significance.

You may be confusing Bell with Brown .. Brown played and played well only to have some team employee state that his success was totally dependent on Big Ben and it snowballed from there with Brown saying "trade me then and find out"

Bell was not going to risk injury and no guranteed money on a 2nd franchise tag in a row.
 
TheKDog said:
Whether he's better than mack isn't really relevant. Watson isn't as good as Brady either
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absolutely, but it is used to establish a baseline when it comes to salary compensation .. track record shouldnt be in question .. health shouldnt be in question .. so why are the Texans playing hardball with no leverage? Inexperienced negotiators thats why.

infantrycak said:
If you're believing rumors Clowney does not intend to sit out any games.
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I'll feel better when he signs the tender and reports.
 
Uncle Rico said:
absolutely, but it is used to establish a baseline when it comes to salary compensation .. track record shouldnt be in question .. health shouldnt be in question .. so why are the Texans playing hardball with no leverage? Inexperienced negotiators thats why.
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Is there any solid, confirmed info on what Clowney is asking for?
 
Furthermore, while Clowney has been an impactful player, he doesn't quite have the kind of sack numbers that most elite pass rushers generate. He's never eclipsed the 10-sack mark in a single season.

That said, Clowney is a special player who plays one of the most important positions in football. He graded out asPro Football Focus' ninth-best edge defender last year.He's also only 26 years old. If he plays out the upcoming season under the tag and posts similar numbers (18.5 sacks over the past two seasons), he should get a long-term contract from somebody. Of course, the Texans could always tag him again, but by that point, they should have a new general manager who might want to make a decision regarding Clowney's long-term future.

Either way, the 2019 season should be the most important season of Clowney's career as he chases a lucrative long-term contract.
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I dunno wonder what kind of conditioning JD will put in on his own in the offseason before he arrives in Houston ?
And I don't expect him to play a snap before the RS begins but it certainly behooves him to get some contact work in along with atleast a couple quarters of
preseason ball before we go for real in NOLA early in September.
 
infantrycak said:
Where was that reported?
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https://kfgo.com/news/articles/2019...texans-agreement/916380/?refer-section=sports

One area of disagreement between Clowney and the Texans is their listing of him as a linebacker/defensive end.

A defensive end can expect to make $17.13 million, while linebackers would earn $15.44 million, USA Today and other outlets have reported, citing NFL numbers. It is unclear which figure Clowney would receive.

That disparity came into play when Clowney was unhappy with the team for exercising his fifth-year option before the 2018 season. ESPN reported that the Texans paid Clowney a $1 million bonus after the season to account for the difference.
 
That report is off. They agreed to split the difference in the 5th year well before last season.

That's a well travelled path at this point. Clownry would lose (5th year or franchise). The NFL would examine the number of snaps and apportion. In terms of a long term deal it's irrelevant. He's not going to get the #1 OLB contract anyway. Not even close.
 
Does anyone really care anymore? Clowney won’t be with Texans long term anyway. Each side will extract what they can from the other and move on, its business. :handshake:
 
There has been zero information from Clowney's Camp as to dollars, years or GTD that he wants. I really respect him for this. He has not been disruptive with comments against his current employer as other NFL vets have been. I continue to bring up the Raiders which I think is the perfect team for JD to go to and for the Texans to get a great package. In Vegas, he could be the face of the defense; not so in Houston where he will never replace JJ Watt. RB Josh Jacobs, the 2020 first Raiders get for Mack, 4.106 OLB Maxx Crosby and 4.129 CB Layne Johnson from U of H (true corner while our Lonnie Johnson more likely a safety) is a good package for both teams. In my opinion, Raiders made a huge error in not quickly signing Jacobs to the four years fully guaranteed deal that he ended up getting this week. " sorry our bad" will not be quickly forgotten by the rookie. In my opinion Jacobs would be great running back in either City. However Raiders desperately need to improve the sack total. Without a JJ type player on Raiders, Clowney sack total could be 15 or higher. His run stopping skills would be greater appreciated there also
 
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