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Mr teX

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Yes it takes luck. Luck as in getting Brady in the 6th Rd type luck. Hiring BB wasn't luck, just somebody doing g a a great job of knowing who would be a great hire

The way I would like to see the Texans run isn't the only way to run a franchise, but it's the way every successful franchise is run. Excluding the Pats, who are the anomaly and even the Pats are more aggressive than the Texans.
Like hell. The pats don't shell out big money for ANYONE..nor do they aggressively go after guys. Brady being perenially underpaid the last 20 years speaks to that. What they do is capitalize on their success over the last 20 years by propositioning guys & pick up guys who have been effectively left for dead by other franchises...Belichick is a thrifty shopper in this regard. "look, we think you'll be a great fit here & if you want to win a championship, here's what we're offering.." What it also does is effectively weed out guys who are looking for the big pay days & only bring in those that want to win. But it ONLY works b/c they keep winning.
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
Like hell. The pats don't shell out big money for ANYONE..nor do they aggressively go after guys. Brady being perenially underpaid the last 20 years speaks to that. What they do is capitalize on their success over the last 20 years by propositioning guys & pick up guys who have been effectively left for dead by other franchises...Belichick is a thrifty shopper in this regard. "look, we think you'll be a great fit here & if you want to win a championship, here's what we're offering.." What it also does is effectively weed out guys who are looking for the big pay days & only bring in those that want to win. But it ONLY works b/c they keep winning.
Pats are notorious for being cheap. They cut ties with their star players that have contracts about to end and are due for a big pay raise.

But of course, SteelB will say can't use the Pats as an example, they're an anomaly. Lol
 

steelbtexan

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Like hell. The pats don't shell out big money for ANYONE..nor do they aggressively go after guys. Brady being perenially underpaid the last 20 years speaks to that. What they do is capitalize on their success over the last 20 years by propositioning guys & pick up guys who have been effectively left for dead by other franchises...Belichick is a thrifty shopper in this regard. "look, we think you'll be a great fit here & if you want to win a championship, here's what we're offering.." What it also does is effectively weed out guys who are looking for the big pay days & only bring in those that want to win. But it ONLY works b/c they keep winning.
I'm fully aware of what the Pats do. Even though they will spend big money on certain guys Gilmore comes to mind.

That's why I called the Pats an anomaly.

The other successful teams do business the way I would like the Texans to do business. The Eagles should be the template.
 

steelbtexan

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Pats are notorious for being cheap. They cut ties with their star players that have contracts about to end and are due for a big pay raise.

But of course, SteelB will say can't use the Pats as an example, they're an anomaly. Lol
Having GOAT's as HC/QB doesn't make them an anomaly? IYO
 

Dejaview

All Pro
Control element. LMAO The McNair's set the agenda for how they want their franchise to be run. For years people said they were young owners and would learn how to build a contender. At some point you have to ask yourself if building a contender is important to them, since they are making money hand over fist.

You didn't answer my question about quitting trying.
Don’t understand psycho.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Who said anything about perfect?
Patriots don’t waste picks they grow picks. Simple plan, seems to work for them, yet nobody has caught on or caught up. Even this year they had like 10 picks, you expect all 10 to make a Super Bowl roster, otherwise they’re wasted? Give me a break.

Texans make a big deal having a first and two seconds, yet total of only seven picks yet got knocked out hard, in first playoff game. Lol
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Patriots don’t waste picks they grow picks. Simple plan, seems to work for them, yet nobody has caught on or caught up. Even this year they had like 10 picks, you expect all 10 to make a Super Bowl roster, otherwise they’re wasted? Give me a break.
They trade back a lot and they game the compensatory picks hard. They are projected to get a 3rd & 2 6ths next year. Now I wouldn't say BB is a draft wizard on the picks themselves.
 

steelbtexan

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Don’t understand psycho.
Psycho in your world is questioning after 17 yrs ownerships commitment to bring a championship?

I'm going to continue giving my thoughts on the franchise and if I were you and you think I'm psycho, I would stop responding to my posts if I were you.

We go these same posts every offseason. Why, because this is what we do as Texans fans.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Patriots don’t waste picks they grow picks. Simple plan, seems to work for them, yet nobody has caught on or caught up. Even this year they had like 10 picks, you expect all 10 to make a Super Bowl roster, otherwise they’re wasted? Give me a break.

Texans make a big deal having a first and two seconds, yet total of only seven picks yet got knocked out hard, in first playoff game. Lol
Is it really so hard to understand why they can get away with that strategy? B/c they win...period. Without this KEY element I doubt they’d be doing this...hell they probably WOULDN’T want to do it b/c they’d be picking higher and thus have easier access to better talent in the draft.

where they’re usually picking, those picks are slightly less valuable than say a team with a top 10-15 pick. Don’t think they’d be trading back and “growing” their picks like that if they were picking higher in the rounds.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
I don't care what anybody says, I like Brian Gaine and think he'll do a really good job for the Texans. Time will tell if I'm right, that's for sure.

Of course there will be TT disagreements about every little move he makes or doesn't make. I expect that & just wish at least some of the discussion was based more on reasoning and less on name calling, rudeness, and insults. But that's just me, I guess. You know, we should be able talk like mature adults.

Plus, many so-called media experts (other than John McClain, whom I happen to enjoy) often like to run down the Texans, so I give them little creedence because they're coming from a place of anti-Houston and/or anti-Texans bias...and often knee-jerk copy-cat research. That's a broad brush statement, I know, and there are exceptions. I just wish there were more exceptions.

Until Gaine proves consistently undeserving, I am predisposed to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That's my plan. My mind is made up, my fingers are in my ears, and na na na na na na I can't hear you.

Joking, of course. My fingers aren't in my ears, but there may be wax build up.
 
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steelbtexan

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I don't care what anybody says, I like Brian Gaine and think he'll do a really good job for the Texans. Time will tell if I'm right, that's for sure.

Of course there will be TT disagreements about every little move he makes or doesn't make. I expect that & just wish at least some of the discussion was based more on reasoning and less on name calling, rudeness, and insults. But that's just me, I guess. You know, we should be able talk like mature adults.

Plus, many so-called media experts (other than John McClain, whom I happen to enjoy) often like to run down the Texans, so I give them little creedence because they're coming from a place of anti-Houston and/or anti-Texans bias...and often knee-jerk copy-cat research. That's a broad brush statement, I know, and there are exceptions. I just wish there were more exceptions.

Until Gaine proves consistently undeserving, I am predisposed to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That's my plan. My mind is made up, my fingers are in my ears, and na na na na na na I can't hear you.

Joking, of course. My fingers aren't in my ears, but there may be wax build up.
Agreed on the 1st part of the post.

2nd part of the post, you should read the media in Philly or New York if you want to see tough.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
Not sure why you come to a MB if all you want are happy, happy, joy, joy thoughts.

But by all means, the insufferably optimistic club was getting thin.
Insufferably optimistic? Oh, I don't suffer at all and I surely don't want to see anyone else on this MB suffer, but I realize my cheery outlook may bother some of Oscar the Grouch's offspring.

BTW, has anyone noticed what a difference being happy makes?
 

cuppacoffee

Resident Grouch
Did you have to search awhile for that one? I liked it and I'll bet you had fun finding it. See, my plan is working already.

What plan is that?

You are mistaken if you think that was posted for your benefit. We appear to be in agreement about most things Texans.

Thought Oscar might enjoy it.


:coffee:
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
Agreed on the 1st part of the post.

2nd part of the post, you should read the media in Philly or New York if you want to see tough.
Maybe 30 years ago, I was doing my job when a lady just visiting Houston from The Big Apple walked up and, with a fair amount of attitude, said "Oh, that's not how we do it in New York." I don't recall my exact response, but it was something along the lines of "Well, maybe you should go back to New York, then."
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
What plan is that?

You are mistaken if you think that was posted for your benefit. We appear to be in agreement about most things Texans.

Thought Oscar might enjoy it.


:coffee:
Thanks, it's my Happy Thoughts plan. It really goes much deeper than Happy Thoughts, but I'll leave it there for now. I hope Oscar enjoys it, too.
 

Dejaview

All Pro
Control element. LMAO The McNair's set the agenda for how they want their franchise to be run. For years people said they were young owners and would learn how to build a contender. At some point you have to ask yourself if building a contender is important to them, since they are making money hand over fist.

You didn't answer my question about quitting trying.
Uhhhhh, that’s maybe because you never posed a question to me about quitting trying? But I digress.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Is it really so hard to understand why they can get away with that strategy? B/c they win...period. Without this KEY element I doubt they’d be doing this...hell they probably WOULDN’T want to do it b/c they’d be picking higher and thus have easier access to better talent in the draft.

where they’re usually picking, those picks are slightly less valuable than say a team with a top 10-15 pick. Don’t think they’d be trading back and “growing” their picks like that if they were picking higher in the rounds.
Ever ask yourself why Tom Brady is willing to take pay cuts while he's considered the greatest QB the game has ever seen?
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Ever ask yourself why Tom Brady is willing to take pay cuts while he's considered the greatest QB the game has ever seen?
:thinking: b/c his wife pulls down a **** ton too? Lol, i kid.

Obviously though, that is a part of it & Brady has said as much.....recently in fact. but its also b/c he's bought into Belichick the HC. They've been to the mountaintop 6 times together. All that being said, it doesn't necessarily mean he's down with Belichick the GM. there have been a few times where you knew he wasn't down...Letting go of Wes Welker....draft Jimmy G. Brady's just too image consicous to really go in on Belichick or say some passive aggressive crap ala Aaron Rodgers. Plus i'm sure there a loyalty there with Robert Kraft & the Pats fans. Several reasons why he's willing to accept less than he's worth.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Ever ask yourself why Tom Brady is willing to take pay cuts while he's considered the greatest QB the game has ever seen?
His "retired" wife makes even more money. She was the #1 paid model in the world for over a decade and is only slightly lower now. Her net worth is more than double his.

He really hasn't taken tremendously less either. He frequently restructures to lower his cap hit for a span but that has come with roster bonuses so one year his cap will be high and then 2-3 low. This season he'll be $27 mil without any of his potential bonuses.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
Ever ask yourself why Tom Brady is willing to take pay cuts while he's considered the greatest QB the game has ever seen?
I've wondered about that, too. It's hard to say what motivates a man, sometimes.

The Mrs. and him alresdy have plenty of money, so that may explain part of it. I think the biggest thing might be his desire for an unassailable legacy, and part of that means leaving money on the table so the Pat's will have more to spend on the rest of the team.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I've wondered about that, too. It's hard to say what motivates a man, sometimes.

The Mrs. and him alresdy have plenty of money, so that may explain part of it. I think the biggest thing might be his desire for an unassailable legacy, and part of that means leaving money on the table so the Pat's will have more to spend on the rest of the team.
I think Brady does this b/c he knows that if he continues to win....and his best chance lies with NE...he can make this lost money up in endorsement money. The key, just keep winning.

On a side note, I only wish the players with the Astros realize that winning over the long haul could be far more valuable than the short-term financial gains on a contract with another team. The Astros could be on a 4-5 year run with this current squad that could make them one of the greatest teams the game has ever seen assembled. That's worth the idea of trying to remain as a unit......and could be far more beneficial, financially, than taking big money from another team.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Is it really so hard to understand why they can get away with that strategy? B/c they win...period. Without this KEY element I doubt they’d be doing this...hell they probably WOULDN’T want to do it b/c they’d be picking higher and thus have easier access to better talent in the draft.

where they’re usually picking, those picks are slightly less valuable than say a team with a top 10-15 pick. Don’t think they’d be trading back and “growing” their picks like that if they were picking higher in the rounds.
Higher the pick more the return, seems would incentivize strategy.

Every team has own draft board. Chris Ballard, Colts GM has been best last couple years, totally rebuilding defensive roster since 2017 while still adding weapons for healthy Luck. He invited a select group of media into the Colts war room and now we have a basic idea what other teams may look like as well, though I don’t know if Gaine has ever welcomed Media into his war room.

Would be healthy if Texans did something similar to help fan base better understand thinking behind their moves, expectations of players and roster construction. There are probably some valid reasons and concerns that we can only speculate about that would ease media pressure and help fan base feel included.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Higher the pick more the return, seems would incentivize strategy.

Every team has own draft board. Chris Ballard, Colts GM has been best last couple years, totally rebuilding defensive roster since 2017 while still adding weapons for healthy Luck. He invited a select group of media into the Colts war room and now we have a basic idea what other teams may look like as well, though I don’t know if Gaine has ever welcomed Media into his war room.

Would be healthy if Texans did something similar to help fan base better understand thinking behind their moves, expectations of players and roster construction. There are probably some valid reasons and concerns that we can only speculate about that would ease media pressure and help fan base feel included.
Fans care about 1 thing & you know what that is & If you're a true fan, you'll also understand most of the moves that they've made & why over the years. At the end of the day, i could give 2 shits if they drafted all 6-7th rounders. Just put a contending team on the field.
 

steelbtexan

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His "retired" wife makes even more money. She was the #1 paid model in the world for over a decade and is only slightly lower now. Her net worth is more than double his.

He really hasn't taken tremendously less either. He frequently restructures to lower his cap hit for a span but that has come with roster bonuses so one year his cap will be high and then 2-3 low. This season he'll be $27 mil without any of his potential bonuses.
He likes winning more than money.

It's really simple.
 

steelbtexan

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I've wondered about that, too. It's hard to say what motivates a man, sometimes.

The Mrs. and him alresdy have plenty of money, so that may explain part of it. I think the biggest thing might be his desire for an unassailable legacy, and part of that means leaving money on the table so the Pat's will have more to spend on the rest of the team.
Spot on
 

xtruroyaltyx

Hall of Fame
They trade back a lot and they game the compensatory picks hard. They are projected to get a 3rd & 2 6ths next year. Now I wouldn't say BB is a draft wizard on the picks themselves.
Good post.

Got me to thinking...well I've already felt this way but one thing I think the Pat's do 1 million times better is use players to their strengths/ in a way beneficial to the team.

For all the talks about game plan offense here it seems OB comes out and does the same things every week.

The Pat's will use a run of the mill rb out of nowhere and he'll have a big game. Presumably because they've scouted saw something where 1 + 1 equals touchdowns and they capitalize.

Whereas it seems no matter the defense we face you can count on Miller being run like a power back.

I guess you can afford to being a mediocre drafter when you have the goat at qb and can coach your ass off.

Conversely you can be good at drafting and if the coach is taking a player who isn't that good at doing something and then does it in a way that makes that player look even worse then it doesn't really matter what players are brought in.

I think the Texans have been closer to the wrong end of the spectrum of using players to their strengths and attacking a defenses weaknesses.

Until OB shows he can move more towards the good coach category I can't get overly excited about any player they bring in.
 

steelbtexan

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Good post.

Got me to thinking...well I've already felt this way but one thing I think the Pat's do 1 million times better is use players to their strengths/ in a way beneficial to the team.

For all the talks about game plan offense here it seems OB comes out and does the same things every week.

The Pat's will use a run of the mill rb out of nowhere and he'll have a big game. Presumably because they've scouted saw something where 1 + 1 equals touchdowns and they capitalize.

Whereas it seems no matter the defense we face you can count on Miller being run like a power back.

I guess you can afford to being a mediocre drafter when you have the goat at qb and can coach your ass off.

Conversely you can be good at drafting and if the coach is taking a player who isn't that good at doing something and then does it in a way that makes that player look even worse then it doesn't really matter what players are brought in.

I think the Texans have been closer to the wrong end of the spectrum of using players to their strengths and attacking a defenses weaknesses.

Until OB shows he can move more towards the good coach category I can't get overly excited about any player they bring in.
Agreed

A better OL/OL coach will make happy
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Good post.

Got me to thinking...well I've already felt this way but one thing I think the Pat's do 1 million times better is use players to their strengths/ in a way beneficial to the team.

For all the talks about game plan offense here it seems OB comes out and does the same things every week.

The Pat's will use a run of the mill rb out of nowhere and he'll have a big game. Presumably because they've scouted saw something where 1 + 1 equals touchdowns and they capitalize.

Whereas it seems no matter the defense we face you can count on Miller being run like a power back.

I guess you can afford to being a mediocre drafter when you have the goat at qb and can coach your ass off.

Conversely you can be good at drafting and if the coach is taking a player who isn't that good at doing something and then does it in a way that makes that player look even worse then it doesn't really matter what players are brought in.

I think the Texans have been closer to the wrong end of the spectrum of using players to their strengths and attacking a defenses weaknesses.

Until OB shows he can move more towards the good coach category I can't get overly excited about any player they bring in.
The Pats, to me, seems to run their own brand of Moneyball.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/19/patriots-use-analytics-but-belichick-dismisses-analytics-websites/

BB also stays ahead of the curve, not just in the draft strategy, but also how rules changes may affect the type of players in different systems, including his, and make the adjustments.

On the field, he’s like a Master Chef that assemble a bunch of sous-chefs, from whom he holds back a key ingredient/secret here and there as to how all the modules work when put together.

That guy is a fox, I tell ya.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
BTW, has anyone noticed what a difference being happy makes?
And what does that have to do with people giving opinions on a damn MB? I’ve been highly critical, or as the pom pom crowd would say, doom and gloom, with OB for a while now, and turns out I’m quite happy, thank you very much. None of that has anything to do with our opinions of things.

You love Gaine. Good for you. I’m not kicking him to the curb in just his 1st full draft, but I do not like how their off-season has gone to this point. I also don’t trust the coaching staff even if Gaine does knock it out of the park talent wise.

That’s my opinion of it. Doesn’t mean I’m right, doesn’t mean you are, and it certainly doesn’t mean I have a depressed miserable life because I have a negative critique of the situation as I see it.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Insufferably optimistic? Oh, I don't suffer at all and I surely don't want to see anyone else on this MB suffer, but I realize my cheery outlook may bother some of Oscar the Grouch's offspring.

BTW, has anyone noticed what a difference being happy makes?

There is nothing wrong with either position's.

And I firmly believe everyone will have their dark days.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
He should by far be the highest paid player to step football on that beautiful gridiron.
He's seen the bigger picture and decided to put the team and organization ahead of himself. In the end, with or without his wife......he'd have enough money for 2 lifetimes.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
And what does that have to do with people giving opinions on a damn MB? I’ve been highly critical, or as the pom pom crowd would say, doom and gloom, with OB for a while now, and turns out I’m quite happy, thank you very much. None of that has anything to do with our opinions of things.

You love Gaine. Good for you. I’m not kicking him to the curb in just his 1st full draft, but I do not like how their off-season has gone to this point. I also don’t trust the coaching staff even if Gaine does knock it out of the park talent wise.

That’s my opinion of it. Doesn’t mean I’m right, doesn’t mean you are, and it certainly doesn’t mean I have a depressed miserable life because I have a negative critique of the situation as I see it.
Apologies, I don't mean to give you or anyone heartburn. I DO intend to provide food for thought by stirring the pot on occasion.

And no one's ever inferred that I'm a member of the pom pom crowd, so that's pretty cool, I guess, except that I'm not recommending blind optimism, just optimism as a good cornerstone.
 

HaveMercy

Passing Through
For what it's worth, I think the evidence shows that OB is a middle of the pack coach, not nearly the best and not nearly the worst.

But at this early juncture, I think Brian Gaine is an upgrade that should positively impact OB's results. That would be nice. Maybe we'll see more out of OB than we ever thought possible. I'm hoping that Gaine's influence will help that kind of growth in OB.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
NFL is time sensitive. What this organization is still exhibiting, is lack of urgency both on and off the field.

Don’t care for free agent signings, handling of Clowney, use of draft capital and putting to much pressure on coaching staff to develop talent.
 
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