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2019 Texans free agency

There wasn't a BOB thread so I am going to post this here; BOB and Schefter on a podcast together:

How do you like this time of the year compared to some of the others?

I love it. You’re able to sit down with guys, get to know them, go to colleges, see how they’re doing things, meet guys at the colleges and then bring them into your organization. It’s all about the team building process. When we get back from this, we’ll have draft meetings – coaching staff, scouting staff coming together on what we feel is best for the team relative to what we’ve seen. I think it’s a great time of the year. A lot of fun.

Free Agency was tough for the Houston Texans. How would you assess where your secondary is coming out of free agency, into the draft?

It’s tough to lose those two guys. Kareem spent his whole career in Houston. Did a lot for us. Great teammate but that’s free agency. Denver had a really good offer & he took it. Honey Badger came in one year, did a great job. Great in the locker room. Good guy. Had a great opportunity with the Kansas City Chiefs. Here’s Plan A. We’ll try to get these guys back. If not, here’s where we’ll go. It’s not like this plan is worst than that plan. There’s a lot of good players out there. We felt good about our study of Bradley Roby being able to come in & do some things he did in Denver. Man to man coverage, outside corner, inside corner some if we need him there. Had a lot of good reports on him & were able to sign him to a one-year deal. Tashaun Gipson, we studied him a lot having gone against him. Covers tight ends man to man, played deep part of the field, play down in the box. We feel we added a safety who can help us. We feel pretty good about where we’re at.

How hard is it to lose guys though…Kareem was something of a cornerstone for the franchise. Honey Badger came in. To lose guys like this & have to replace them. It’s like college I guess where guys graduate.

It is. It’s tough. Someone inside asked me about that. I get pretty attached to the players. I really enjoy coaching those guys. You have a lot of great moments in the locker room, in the meeting rooms, on the practice field & obviously in the games we won but that’s part of pro football. You look at where you’re at from a cap standpoint, what you can do, what you feel the value of the player is relative to your team and do the best job you can to make the best decision for the team and that’s what we’ve tried to do.

One places you also have to plug a hole so to speak is at WR. Lose Demaryius Thomas, suffered the injury to Will Fuller. DeAndre Hopkins, seems like you’re perpetually looking for another guy there & Keke Coutee struggled with hamstring injuries. What do you do opposite DeAndre Hopkins?

That’s a big deal. When those 3 guys – Hop/Fuller/Coutee – when they were on the field together, which wasn’t often but when on the field at the same time, it was a productive offense. Averaged over 30 points per game. They did a great job working on their chemistry with Deshaun and all those things. Injuries are not an excuse but those things happen. Will is on the way back. We feel really good about where Will is right now. We feel really good about where Coutee is. Coutee last year was training for the combine, came in, hadn’t played football for in awhile, had some hamstring issues he didn’t have in college. We’ve tried to fix it on our side. He’s fixing with himself. He’s in a better place right now. I think he’ll really help us. Fuller is on the right track. We’ll see what goes on in the draft. We have some good young guys behind those guys we feel good about – the 4s, the 5s that we think can help us.

Does Fuller have a chance to be ready by training camp?

I think so. I really do. There’s a chance for that. I won’t put a date on it. With the way he’s progressing & working, he has a shot.

If you have those three, you should be pretty set.

It’s a good position but there are some unknowns. I do feel good having seen these guys over the last month or so around the building, specifically Coutee & Fuller. I feel good about where they’re at.

What is Deshaun Watson’s ceiling?

I don’t think he has a ceiling Adam. It’s hard to put a ceiling on a guy like that because of who he is, how he works, his ability, his skill set, his passion for the game. Really fun guy to coach. Works very hard to learn the game. There’s a lot of things he can do to improve. He knows that. We know that. We’ll try to improve some things around him. He’s working hard to improve his knowledge of defense, improve his mechanics, the way he processes information, all those things. I don’t think there’s a ceiling for him.

When you go back to that day he tore his ACL in practice, your team was rolling along. What do you remember about that day?

Yeah, we were doing pretty well. Tough day. That was a tough day. We were practicing. He was running a simple little play, bootleg type play out to his right, planted, no one around him and he came back and said something clicked there, didn’t feel right. We took him right away for a MRI and that was it. That was tough. As you said, we were very productive, exciting, moving in the right direction. It was tough to overcome that loss. We had other guys injured too. If you look forward to where we are now, he’s had a full offseason of no limitations, full go, can do everything. Last year, that wasn’t the case. He’ll have a full offseason, which will be big.

How much of a difference will that make?

It makes a big difference. Last year, all he could do was 7-on-7. No 11-on-11. He did a little bit. Then we played him a little bit in games to try and get him back in the routine of playing in games. I think he’ll be able to do a lot more this year and that’ll help us with the timing of the passing game, with his improvement individually & will help our team to have him out there every day.

How much longer do you think Tom Brady will wind up playing football?

There’s no way I’m putting a limit on that one. The guy has defied the odds. I guess never say never but I don’t know if it’ll ever be done again, what he’s done. To play at that level for so long & be in his 40s and having another great season last year, it’s incredible. When I was there, I was fortunate enough to be around him, coach him, work with him and he does everything the right way. He takes care of his body the right way. He’s a great teammate. He works his ass off on the practice field and off the field. I don’t know. I have no idea. I hope it’s soon. It’s amazing. It’s hard to describe what he’s been able to do. When you’re around him, it’s interesting, people say can you believe it? No, I can believe it. I’ve been around him. He’s the best. He’s a great guy. Very smart. He works hard. He knows how to take care of his body & knows what he needs to do to be able to play. He loves playing.

Memory of Rob Gronkowski?

I have great memories of Rob. I had Rob his first two years. He was a great guy. When he walked into the building, the building literally lit up. He had great energy. Awesome sense of humor. Great relationship with Bill. We loved coaching him. Tom loved him right away. The team did. He had a way about him that was interesting & everyone loved it. Then the skill set. When on the practice field, the catch radius, ability to run, his flexibility, his instincts & brought a level of toughness to our team because he could block the edge. He’s the total package at that position.

Last we’ve seen of him?

I don’t know. 29 years old. Knowing him for the first 2 years, he’ll miss it. He loves it. Loves being in the locker room. That’s what these guys miss. They miss the teammates & day to day routines. It’ll be interesting. When these guys retire, you can tell they miss the game because they miss the relationships. I can see him getting itchy & coming back.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=26437179
 
No, I'm saying that one year contracts where guys jump ship immediately isn't where the Texans (with their aging star players) need to be right now.

So in this situation where a guy has turned down two 3 year deals, you're saying what? Don't sign him at all, or sign him for substantially more than his market value?

Yeah, I'd love it if FA looked at Houston as a destination, a contender. But they don't. I personally don't think they ever will if we sign mediocre players above market value.

Top tier players don't want to come here.

If it takes one year deals to get HB type FAs here, or even Riby if last year was an anomaly, will get us to be that destination faster than signing Kjax for $11M/yr to play safety.
 
There wasn't a BOB thread so I am going to post this here; BOB and Schefter on a podcast together:
How do you like this time of the year compared to some of the others?

I coach the guys they give me.

Free Agency was tough for the Houston Texans. How would you assess where your secondary is coming out of free agency, into the draft?

Brian gets guys, I coach them.

How hard is it to lose guys though…Kareem was something of a cornerstone for the franchise. Honey Badger came in. To lose guys like this & have to replace them. It’s like college I guess where guys graduate.

Mr McNair signs the checks, I just try to do what he tells me.

One places you also have to plug a hole so to speak is at WR. Lose Demaryius Thomas, suffered the injury to Will Fuller. DeAndre Hopkins, seems like you’re perpetually looking for another guy there & Keke Coutee struggled with hamstring injuries. What do you do opposite DeAndre Hopkins?

It's really hard to win a game in the NFL

Does Fuller have a chance to be ready by training camp?

That's not my job.

If you have those three, you should be pretty set.

It starts with coaching. Starts with me.

What is Deshaun Watson’s ceiling?

I don’t know. I'll have to look at the film h get back to you...

When you go back to that day he tore his ACL in practice, your team was rolling along. What do you remember about that day?

You have to look in the mirror & be real honest & that's what I try to do.

How much of a difference will that make?

It makes a big difference.

How much longer do you think Tom Brady will wind up playing football?

That's not my job.

Memory of Rob Gronkowski?

Every year, it's a new team

Last we’ve seen of him?

I've got to do a better job there.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=26437179

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No, I'm saying that one year contracts where guys jump ship immediately isn't where the Texans (with their aging star players) need to be right now.

Of the top 10 teams with the most cap space, I'm not sure anyone other than the "we're going the UDFA route" Dolphins has done less than the Texans have. When you compound that with their "biggest move" being a one-year contract it looks even worse.

I never count on a ready-to-go draft player unless we're picking in the Top-15. I expect everyone else to be role players or take 2-3 years development. Sure, we get pleasant surprises like Ryans being there at the top of the 2nd, but we can't count on that sort of luck.

Why even go back 13 years.. We got Justin Reid in the 3rd round and KeKe Coutee in the 4th round just last year, who both made instant impacts when they were on the field.. (health permitting for Coutee). You can also add in Jordan Thomas' redzone production.. and that was a draft class that didn't even have a 1st or 2nd round pick. Point is if you can identify players that fit what you want to do, you can get immediate production and shouldn't have to wait 3 years for development..hopefully we're done with the Braxton Millers of the world.
 
So in this situation where a guy has turned down two 3 year deals, you're saying what? Don't sign him at all, or sign him for substantially more than his market value?

Yeah, I'd love it if FA looked at Houston as a destination, a contender. But they don't. I personally don't think they ever will if we sign mediocre players above market value.

Top tier players don't want to come here.

If it takes one year deals to get HB type FAs here, or even Riby if last year was an anomaly, will get us to be that destination faster than signing Kjax for $11M/yr to play safety.

I don't think I really understand the whole "F/A don't want to come here" line of thought. F/A go wherever the money is. If Houston had offered Trent Brown more than Oakland did he would have come here. If Houston had offered Bell a deal that blew the Jets away he would have come here. I'm not saying they should have done this, indeed they absolutely should not have, but for most F/A where they play is secondary to how much they are getting paid to play there.

About the only team you can say players might go to for lesser money is the Pats but that's mostly just so they can have a good shot at getting a ring then they can go else where to get paid like Brown did. Of course there are other factors, player might take less money if more of it is guaranteed, but ultimately is still comes down to where they feel they will make the most cash. Some players are worth it and some aren't, its up to the FO of each team to figure out if a player is worth the high price that pretty much any player with a name in F/A costs.
 
I don't think I really understand the whole "F/A don't want to come here" line of thought. F/A go wherever the money is. If Houston had offered Trent Brown more than Oakland did he would have come here. If Houston had offered Bell a deal that blew the Jets away he would have come here. I'm not saying they should have done this, indeed they absolutely should not have, but for most F/A where they play is secondary to how much they are getting paid to play there.

About the only team you can say players might go to for lesser money is the Pats but that's mostly just so they can have a good shot at getting a ring then they can go else where to get paid like Brown did. Of course there are other factors, player might take less money if more of it is guaranteed, but ultimately is still comes down to where they feel they will make the most cash. Some players are worth it and some aren't, its up to the FO of each team to figure out if a player is worth the high price that pretty much any player with a name in F/A costs.
Disagree.
If a player is already a millionaire and is gonna get a whole bunch more millions in a new contract, then other considerations can factor in - such as does he like the coach/players at his prospective new club or a hometown would also be very attractive.
 
Disagree.
If a player is already a millionaire and is gonna get a whole bunch more millions in a new contract, then other considerations can factor in - such as does he like the coach/players at his prospective new club or a hometown would also be very attractive.

You're talking about when someone like a Manning hits F/A. That's once in a blue moon and those are the outliners. Most F/A haven't made their millions yet or if they have they are on the downhill of their career and looking for one last paycheck as big as they can get it.
 
Disagree.
If a player is already a millionaire and is gonna get a whole bunch more millions in a new contract, then other considerations can factor in - such as does he like the coach/players at his prospective new club or a hometown would also be very attractive.

Money is always the #1 factor unless your name is Tom Brady..

If the Texans shelled out top money, people would gladly come here.. Especially with a young franchise QB and a no state income tax.
 
Secret Oline plan activated

Hope not, the OLine play in that league was not very good.
Money is always the #1 factor unless your name is Tom Brady..

If the Texans shelled out top money, people would gladly come here.. Especially with a young franchise QB and a no state income tax.

In general, yes money is the biggest factor, but we seen at least three cases where short term money alone, was not the final factor which got the job done.
 
Hope not, the OLine play in that league was not very good.


In general, yes money is the biggest factor, but we seen at least three cases where short term money alone, was not the final factor which got the job done.

some folks don't give a shyt about reality
 
I’m surprised people are bothered as much as they are (as evident from constantly bringing it up) by these one year deals after the Colvin mistake from last off season. I would be much more concerned if the Texans continued with that risky behavior. Is it the Honey Badger? I think they should have dealt with his future during the 2018 NFL season. The Texans business practice of not negotiating with players during the season must come to an end. But I have no issue with them not doling out long term deals with free agents who either haven’t proven themselves, are on the downside of their career, or are injury concerns.
 
I’m surprised people are bothered as much as they are (as evident from constantly bringing it up) by these one year deals after the Colvin mistake from last off season. I would be much more concerned if the Texans continued with that risky behavior. Is it the Honey Badger? I think they should have dealt with his future during the 2018 NFL season. The Texans business practice of not negotiating with players during the season must come to an end. But I have no issue with them not doling out long term deals with free agents who either haven’t proven themselves, are on the downside of their career, or are injury concerns.

1 year deals for mid-tier players is the coming norm league wide
 
Money is always the #1 factor unless your name is Tom Brady..

If the Texans shelled out top money, people would gladly come here.. Especially with a young franchise QB and a no state income tax.
Why only TB?
Because NE is his home town.
Nate Solder also had other considerations lime preferred hospital for his daughter.
There are considerations other than just money.
 
Why only TB?
Because NE is his home town.
Nate Solder also had other considerations lime preferred hospital for his daughter.
There are considerations.

Why only TB?
Because NE is his home town.
Nate Solder also had other considerations lime preferred hospital for his daughter.
There are considerations other than just money.

What???


Huh?
 
Why only TB?
Because NE is his home town.
Nate Solder also had other considerations lime preferred hospital for his daughter.
There are considerations other than just money.

No because Tom Brady's wife makes more than he does so he could take less money for more rings. Again a situation like Solder's is a very unique thing and not really something you can depend on. For 99% of F/A its all about who will add more zeros to the check.
 
No because Tom Brady's wife makes more than he does so he could take less money for more rings. Again a situation like Solder's is a very unique thing and not really something you can depend on. For 99% of F/A its all about who will add more zeros to the check.
Agree to disagree.
 
Splash! Championship!

Texans are set to meet with Former NFL and AAF TE Nick Truesdell. Recently with the Salt Lake Stallions, Nick had 24 catches, 269 Yards and 3 TDs.
 
The Texans do fork out big time money/contracts. What makes people think that they don't is crazy to me.

The perception exists because it appears that if there is a "bidding war" on a player (sans OZ) the Texans don't come out on top. Also, the Texans don't seemingly sign the name brand this is the number 1 in free agency at ------ position. That's the perception, now much reality is up for legitimate debate.
 
Why only TB?
Because NE is his home town.
Nate Solder also had other considerations lime preferred hospital for his daughter.
There are considerations.

Yes.. but where I was getting at before.. your bringing up exceptions and not the norm..

When the money is basically equal.. (let's not act like Solder took a pay cut or something.. NY made him the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history) other issues are the deciding factor.
 
Why only TB?
Because NE is his home town.
Nate Solder also had other considerations lime preferred hospital for his daughter.
There are considerations other than just money.

Did Solder go to the team that gave him the most money?

Brown?

Notice a theme?
 
Yes.. but where I was getting at before.. your bringing up exceptions and not the norm..

When the money is basically equal.. (let's not act like Solder took a pay cut or something.. NY made him the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history) other issues are the deciding factor.
And I have never said that more money is not the norm.
What I specifically said was that there are exceptions and other considerations.
 
Lol WR not a need. Lol RB not a need. Foreman has done what??? Which Wr outside Hopkins has played a full season?

Lol lol lol, did you sacrifice a bucket a bucket of chicken for health at the hamstring position.

I'll take blue production over foreman. Who did find a job elsewhere.

This teams is so full of holes and everyone on a 1 yr deal.

Forgive me I'm tipsy.
Agree 100% and I am not tipsy.
Fuller good when plays but will get hurt. Coutee can not be counted on until he proves he is over the hamstring.
Foreman always trying to stay in playing shape.
 
Texans fork out big money when they feel the player is worth it, see Oz and to a lesser extent Miller. The issue comes in for people on this board in that Texans rarely feel a player is worth it like people here do. Sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong. I will agree they rarely have over the last 10 years or so but then they have rarely been in a hole, not counting QB, the likes of the Raiders, Jets or Browns. Texans have had a season here or there where they completely sucked, those teams have had back to back seasons of sucking so they have had to make big moves just to keep their fans buying tickets. We are hoping for a deep playoff run and consider anything else a failure, those teams are hoping just to get a winning season.
 
1 year deals for mid-tier players is the coming norm league wide

NFL Top 50 FA by contract years (u=unsigned) - 4, 4, 5, 4, 6, 5, 5, 2, 2, 3, 3 (Mathieu), U, 4, 4, U, 4, 2, 1 (re-sign to same team), 1 (re-sign to same team), 1 (Texans and Roby), 2, 4, 4, 4, 1 (re-sign with same team), 4, 4, 4, U, 3, 3, 1 (re-sign to same team), 4, 3, 3, 3 (KJax), 4, 3, 4, 2, 3, 1 (Barrett to Bucs), 1 (Suggs to Cards), 1 (Clinton-Dix to Bears), 1 (Funchess to Colts), 3, 4, 3, 1 (re-sign to same team), U.

So, the Texans were the only team to sign a 1-year contract with a new face in the top 41 (#20). The cluster starts at 42.

Basically, it lines up with what I said before. Our "biggest splash" got a 1 year contract. It's not exactly what I'm hoping for when we're #3 in cap space. At least KJax was rated #36.

The worst part? - We took exactly zero FA OG/OT in the top 101. I'm all for building through the draft, but I'd like to keep our QB upright in the meantime.
 
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Why even go back 13 years.. We got Justin Reid in the 3rd round and KeKe Coutee in the 4th round just last year, who both made instant impacts when they were on the field.. (health permitting for Coutee). You can also add in Jordan Thomas' redzone production.. and that was a draft class that didn't even have a 1st or 2nd round pick. Point is if you can identify players that fit what you want to do, you can get immediate production and shouldn't have to wait 3 years for development..hopefully we're done with the Braxton Millers of the world.
I'm thrilled with Coutee, we criminally underused Thomas, and Reid was a bright spot that we desperately needed.

But...

While they were great picks, their actual playing time in 2018 on anything other than ST was more of happenstance than any sort of "plan" the Texans had. So sure, you CAN get immediate production from later round picks, but having them as starters isn't something any NFL GM plans for. That's why I went back 13 years. The leading tackler in the SEC had no business falling to 33, but he did. He was projected to be a starter. That's not the case with these guys.
 
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