They don't have the cap room
LMAO
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They don't have the cap room
LMAO
They have 16 starters becoming free agents in the next 2 years and they have to extend Watson as well.
They have 16 starters becoming free agents in the next 2 years and they have to extend Watson as well.
They are already down to $40 million in capspace left this year (counting only $15m for Clowney, any deal he agrees to will be more), $88 million next year (not counting Clowney or Watson extension), and $112m in 2021 (not counting Clowney or Watson extension).
So please tell me, if we are allocating at least $50 million for Clowney and Watson (might be more), how we can sign Trent Brown for $26 million and keep everyone? $75m for those 3 guys will leave us with only $35m to sign or replace the 16 free agent starters by 2021. You think you can fill 16 starter spots at $2 million each?
Does the cap go up? Of course it does. If it's such a problem cut Clowney and Watt then maybe they will have some cap room
Watson is under contract for 2 more years and the Texans have a 5th year option.
I think Clowney might sit the season if he’s franchised.
Or phone it in so much that he might have well sit out.
Watson is under contract for 2 more years and the Texans have a 5th year option.
Doesn't his salary jump up in that 5th year? Not astronomical, but a healthy jump nonetheless.
I think. & really has no bearing to the your point.
Doesn't his salary jump up in that 5th year? Not astronomical, but a healthy jump nonetheless.
I think. & really has no bearing to the your point.
I dont think that jump compares to a new contract.
I think some money is set aside for negotiating with clowney. Plenty left over to still be active. Frankly, I think kdog is way overboard in his assessment.
Maybe, but where is my analysis off?
I think they are worried about 2021. They have $112m of capspace but need to extend Clowney and Watson and I'm counting about 16 other starters plus all the draft classes.
Doesn't his salary jump up in that 5th year? Not astronomical, but a healthy jump nonetheless.
I think. & really has no bearing to the your point.
Watson is under contract for 2 more years and the Texans have a 5th year option.
List the other starters up for contract.
List the vet players between 30 - 35 with big contracts.
List an honest number of draft picks between now and then.
Project a natural cap increase over 2 years.
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Teams hold big contracts for multiple players and maintain a team all the time. Much ado about nothing.
List the other starters up for contract.
List the vet players between 30 - 35 with big contracts.
List an honest number of draft picks between now and then.
Project a natural cap increase over 2 years.
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Teams hold big contracts for multiple players and maintain a team all the time. Much ado about nothing.
2020 Texans FAs:
Mercilus
Miller
Joseph
Griffin
Seantrel
Reader
Dunn
Martin
2021 Texans FAs:
Kelemente
Hal (will he start this year?)
Fuller
Mancz (sometimes starts)
Cunningham
Davenport
Foreman in 2021 also if he takes over for Miller in 2020
Vet players between 30-35 with big contracts:
Watt FA in 2022
Hopkins FA in 2023
# of draft picks:
2019: they own 8
2020-21: they own 14
NFL cap increase:
-2019 cap is currently $191m and the Texans have $75m under contract for 2021 (counting zero for Watson and Clowney.
-if no change in cap that leaves them with $116m in capspace, but if they sign Clowney and Watson for $50m combined (probably low) that leaves $66m for signing or replacing all the FAs listed above plus draft picks
-the $10m cap increase for 2019 was considered large. Even if the cap increases $20 next two years, that still leaves the Texans with only $83k for all those FAs and draft picks with $20m they can't count on
Most of the fa's you mention are cut worthy.
The cap WILL increase.
Not sure if you understand yearly salary vs bonus's.
To hell with 2019 then. Let's shoot for 2021. Well, unless by then we're shooting for 2023.
Ok but if they cut them who will replace them? Are we just assuming rookies or cheap FAs can fill all the cut players? 12 starters in two draft classes (15 picks) is a lot.
I assumed a $10m per year cap increase and it still doesn't look great
I have the cap hits for those players.
We don't know how much or if the cap goes up.
Also just because you cut someone that doesn't necessarily open cap room.
Besides, cutting those guys. Lol.
You're right, but if they treat him like the Colts treated Luck, that 5th year will be under the contract extension. That would be 2021. Luck made $30m his 5th year
Are the Texans just gonna exercise his 5th year option and not sign a contract extension? I doubt it.
Any big multi-year deal for someone like Trent Brown would go through 2021 at least. His just signed contract goes through 2022.
Notice how the Texans are doing a bunch of 1 year deals.
Vet players between 30-35 with big contracts:
Watt FA in 2022
Hopkins FA in 2023
# of draft picks:
2019: they own 8
2020-21: they own 14
NFL cap increase:
-2019 cap is currently $191m and the Texans have $75m under contract for 2021 (counting zero for Watson and Clowney.)
-if no change in cap that leaves them with $116m in capspace, but if they sign Clowney and Watson for $50m combined (probably low) that leaves $66m for signing or replacing all the FAs listed above plus draft picks
-the $10m cap increase for 2019 was considered large. Even if the cap increases $20 next two years, that still leaves the Texans with only $83k for all those FAs and draft picks with $20m they can't count on
-$83m for 12 starters is $7m per starter. Of course rookies may take some of those spots.
-if the cap doesn't increase, Watson and Clowney make more than $50m combined, and/or the drafts don't pan out, they'll need some more cap space to replace FAs with more than just replacement level guys
I think this is why they don't want to really break the bank for Clowney and they haven't done something like sign Trent Brown for $26m for 3 years plus keep Matthieu. They'll probably have to give in to Watson's high market value. Guys like Kirk Cousins are already near $30m.
At some point all players are either cut or retire and then replaced by a younger player (Rookie or FA). That's just the way it is. Even if Watt plays at a high level until 2022 I can't see a team giving him another contract like he's on now. It will probably only be a one or 2 year cap friendly deal that may be heavily loaded with performance bonuses and that type of thing. Also, there's no guarantee that he will stay in Houston past this contract or that the Texans might trade him between now and then if he has a decline in performance. It's just too far down the road to even speculate what will or will not happen for Watt, D-Hop, or any other player for that matter. Teams in the NFL are constantly turning over their rosters. Most players just don't stay that long on the same team unless they are the Franchise QB (See the Pats).
Also, did the Texans pick up an extra draft pick this year? Thought they only had 7 picks with 2 in the 2nd round but none in the 4th.
Very few of the guys you mentioned are worthy of meaningful contracts and easily replaceable. Lots will get cut.
You do understand reported salaries and bonuses can be stretched and maneuvered over the course of years.
Watson's potential salary is a concern no doubt 2 years from now. And clowneys salary can be structured to fit our needs just the same.
Not really a big deal.
This is part and parcel for EVERY team. I find it odd that we started free agency with the 4th most cap space in the league and you've convinced yourself we're in cap hell somehow.
I think if you manage your money the way you view our cap you could retire very very early. But you wont. Because you may be cheaper then cal.
Not an insult. Just...fiscally ocd.
At some point all players are either cut or retire and then replaced by a younger player (Rookie or FA). That's just the way it is. Even if Watt plays at a high level until 2022 I can't see a team giving him another contract like he's on now. It will probably only be a one or 2 year cap friendly deal that may be heavily loaded with performance bonuses and that type of thing. Also, there's no guarantee that he will stay in Houston past this contract or that the Texans might trade him between now and then if he has a decline in performance. It's just too far down the road to even speculate what will or will not happen for Watt, D-Hop, or any other player for that matter. Teams in the NFL are constantly turning over their rosters. Most players just don't stay that long on the same team unless they are the Franchise QB (See the Pats).
Also, did the Texans pick up an extra draft pick this year? Thought they only had 7 picks with 2 in the 2nd round but none in the 4th.
They also received a 7th back in the demaryius trade
And yes most teams always have some guys who leave and are replaced with rookies or FAs. My point is the Texans dont appear to be prepared at all for the upcoming batch of FAs with little in the way of rookies or capspace to replace them unless they really nail the next two drafts and find some bargain bin quality vets. But that's what people are complaining about, going cheap
So what can we (as fans) do about it?
They also received a 7th back in the demaryius trade
Actually we just switched places with Denver in the 7th. We only have 7 picks total
Demand obrien gets fired. Ultimately a coach gets fired when the fans have had enough
That's only gonna happen with a terrible season... you want another 2013? That's what it's going to take.
I wouldn't want that but it could happen this year. Like steelb has mentioned, Watson could easily get hurt behind this OL. The secondary, RBs, and TEs at this point are also looking pretty weak unless some guys really step up.
And if they trade Clowney or he holds out? Even worse
And still there is nothing that (we as fans) can do and every team is i the same boat except maybe the Pat's because of BB
I'm really not sure what the Texans are shooting for. I guess 2018 was their shot.
What do you mean every team is in the same boat? Aren't a lot of teams upgrading?
Yes, but 2020 and beyond is as questionable for them as it is the Texans, and coming off an 11-5 season there is no way that fans can change anything short of a disastrous 2-14 type season
Maybe so, I mean it's not like teams make massive signings every year in free agency. The Colts for example have been quiet as well.
But then that just means people need to stop whining about the Texans "being cheap." They aren't, it's just a reality of the salary cap that you can't go on a free agent shopping spree every year.
Unfortunately for the Texans in comparison to the Colts, they did not lose a major defensive piece (Matthieu) and also don't have huge OL holes staring at them. Colts ended up better last year and have at least stayed the same while the Texans got worse. They also are not locked in an extended contract fight with ANOTHER major defensive piece (Clowney).
Fixing the OL and secondary holes were never just a thing you can "fix" by signing a bunch of guys for $26 million each. O'Brien actually needs to do his job and find value in the draft, trade, or in the bargain bin. Signing Matthieu for one year on a cheap deal last year is an example of that.
Maybe so, I mean it's not like teams make massive signings every year in free agency. The Colts for example have been quiet as well.
But then that just means people need to stop whining about the Texans "being cheap." They aren't, it's just a reality of the salary cap that you can't go on a free agent shopping spree every year.
Unfortunately for the Texans in comparison to the Colts, they did not lose a major defensive piece (Matthieu) and also don't have huge OL holes staring at them. Colts ended up better last year and have at least stayed the same while the Texans got worse. They also are not locked in an extended contract fight with ANOTHER major defensive piece (Clowney).
Fixing the OL and secondary holes were never just a thing you can "fix" by signing a bunch of guys for $26 million each. O'Brien actually needs to do his job and find value in the draft, trade, or in the bargain bin. Signing Matthieu for one year on a cheap deal last year is an example of that.
Os, Miller, Allen, Berggy.Care to tell me the last time the Texans org went on a spending spree?
Dont give me OS.
BTW, You think BOB is the one finding the talent? That shows me you dont know what you're talking about. That's Gaine's job.
Care to tell me the last time the Texans org went on a spending spree?
Dont give me OS.
BTW, You think BOB is the one finding the talent? That shows me you dont know what you're talking about. That's Gaine's job.
Os, Miller, Allen, Berggy.
Spending sprees rarely optimal as many married men can attest. It is the wise who buys for value and thinks of the future. What I want is not necessarily what's best.
Wanted Trent Brown Juwan James and Darby but not those prices. Darby supposedly failed physical but signed for 9.5 anyway as noted in my thread in college / FA thread. This draft can set up our defensive backfield for ten years. Plus bring quality depth other positions. Trading Merci, Clowney and perhaps Miller could add more.What do you want?
Wanted Trent Brown Juwan James and Darby but not those prices. Darby supposedly failed physical but signed for 9.5 anyway as noted in my thread in college / FA thread. This draft can set up our defensive backfield for ten years. Plus bring quality depth other positions. Trading Merci, Clowney and perhaps Miller could add more.
Ideally yes draft picks and select FAs will replace those needing to go. Folks want team to be like Mikey er PATs. Perhaps letting KJack and Mathieu be replaced by Roby and Gypson was just that? Could fail but so could have giving a 3rd for an avg. RT then hoping he could replace the first rounder you picked to replace the older LT who left for more money. Can't be the man until you beat the man. Gaines trying.Ok but if they cut them who will replace them? Are we just assuming rookies or cheap FAs can fill all the cut players? 12 starters in two draft classes (15 picks) is a lot.
I assumed a $10m per year cap increase and it still doesn't look great
I have the cap hits for those players.