If last year is any indication they will wait until after the draft so that we are fooled that the signings are just for training camp and pre-season.
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If last year is any indication they will wait until after the draft so that we are fooled that the signings are just for training camp and pre-season.
So Covington gets a 1 year deal for $1 million, with incentives that could get to $2.5 mil? Blackson gets 3 years, $12 million?
If the Texans truly are a cheapskate organization, they're not very good at it.
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So Covington gets a 1 year deal for $1 million, with incentives that could get to $2.5 mil? Blackson gets 3 years, $12 million?
If the Texans truly are a cheapskate organization, they're not very good at it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not a cheapskate issue. It's an issue of how they manage the cap, draft picks and free agents
zshawn10
All Pro
Darby failed his physical
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Yeah, it's not a cheapskate issue. It's an issue of how they manage the cap, draft picks and free agents[/QUOTE]
I don't even think it is that deep...Blackson has a different role and is a BO'Gaine dude in terms of body type (6'4 320) versus 6'3'maybe 300 maybe Covington who is more quickness 4-3 DT which Brandon Dunn (tendered RFA) is nearly a twin. Joel Health re-signed is more 3-4 end like Blackson. That's not saying that Blackson was not relatively overpaid, but there is plenty of football to the dudes who were kept.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Our biggest issue on defense is CB play. The second biggest issue is interior pressure. All of our pass rush comes from our edge guys. We get absolutely no pressure up the middle (which actually affects the QB more).
QB Hits last year...
Watt - 25
Clowney - 21
Mercilus - 14
Covington - 8
McKinney - 5
Mathieu - 4
Reader - 3
Blackson - 2
Ejiofor - 2
Cunningham - 2
Scarlett - 2
Watkins - 1
We had 64 hits from our edge guys. We had 14 from our interior guys and we just let a guy with 8 of those 14 walk and re-signed the guy with 2.
QB Hits last year...
Watt - 25
Clowney - 21
Mercilus - 14
Covington - 8
McKinney - 5
Mathieu - 4
Reader - 3
Blackson - 2
Ejiofor - 2
Cunningham - 2
Scarlett - 2
Watkins - 1
We had 64 hits from our edge guys. We had 14 from our interior guys and we just let a guy with 8 of those 14 walk and re-signed the guy with 2.
srrono
All Pro
So Covington gets a 1 year deal for $1 million, with incentives that could get to $2.5 mil? Blackson gets 3 years, $12 million?
If the Texans truly are a cheapskate organization, they're not very good at it.[/QUOTE]
I don't even think it is that deep...Blackson has a different role and is a BO'Gaine dude in terms of body type (6'4 320) versus 6'3'maybe 300 maybe Covington who is more quickness 4-3 DT which Brandon Dunn (tendered RFA) is nearly a twin. Joel Health re-signed is more 3-4 end like Blackson. That's not saying that Blackson was not relatively overpaid, but there is plenty of football to the dudes who were kept.[/QUOTE]
I would like to see Watt on the inside more.
If the Texans truly are a cheapskate organization, they're not very good at it.[/QUOTE]
I don't even think it is that deep...Blackson has a different role and is a BO'Gaine dude in terms of body type (6'4 320) versus 6'3'maybe 300 maybe Covington who is more quickness 4-3 DT which Brandon Dunn (tendered RFA) is nearly a twin. Joel Health re-signed is more 3-4 end like Blackson. That's not saying that Blackson was not relatively overpaid, but there is plenty of football to the dudes who were kept.[/QUOTE]
I would like to see Watt on the inside more.
I’d take the 9th pick but I don’t see them giving us an OL worth having/a CB. I think a realistic option could be sending him to Arizona for Patrick Peterson and their 2nd round pick at 33 overall (basically a first). Arizona gets their QB and the all pro pass rusher they’re looking for. We get an extra pick for our OL/solidify our secondary problems. We could also work in another edge in this deep draft to rotate with mercilus and ejiofor. We’d have 4 picks in the top 60 picks and that’s before the inevitable trade down. We could solve a lot of problems
How did you come up with that number.
I think Gaine wants to be able to trade up high enough to get either Dillard or Williams to accomplish this the Clowney trade has to happen and they will get a 2nd or 3rd rd pick to round out the deal.
This trade really comes down to Ansah's physical and if he's willing to accept 14 mil per yr. If Ansah passes (Doubtful) then the Clowney trade will probably happen.
Maybe they think they are closer than we think they are ? Particularly on the OL and that they'll just draft a couple corners and all will be right in the world ?
I don't believe that myself but what other explanation is there for doing the nothing they have done so far ?
I don't want a season of Breno Guacamole and Chris Clark as the starting corners …. This is really starting to remind me of that disaster of an offseason both on the OL and defensive backfield.
I'm down with this plan …. as long as OB is gone as a result of the suckitude it'll take to land that 1 pick in 2020.
If OB isn't gone … We could have the Dolphins 84 offense and the Bears 85 defense and wouldn't do a thing with it.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The Raiders just released QB, AJ McCarron. I've liked him from the day he entered the draft......not as a starter but as a solid QB2. I could see him eventually becoming a QB coach but he could be a great signing to backup Watson for the next few seasons.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Funny how a few folks thought I was stating that a trade of Watson would yield the Texans an "exact" return that the Cowboys got for Walker......the key word I used in that post "type". Like the Walker deal that was the biggest in NFL history, trading Watson in his prime would yield.....maybe a better, similar or second best deal in NFL history. Bottom line, it would be spectacular.
If Gaine nails another draft, I'd damn sure keep him on board for a complete overhaul but in all reality, the Texans would need a new coaching staff and it would have to be filled with coaches that can teach. I don't see OB as a secure HC who would comfortably hire coaches he might perceive as being able to replace him or give them the latitude to run their respective sides of the ball while he focuses on being the teams HC.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Not giving BoB a pass but people also forget that this is his first gig as a HC. Go back and look at BB as the Browns head coach, they weren't exactly praising him in Cleveland during that time. BoB may never be the coach BB is but then BB wasn't the coach he is today in the 90s either. I really, really wonder how different things would be without Brady. Would there still be talk of changing the name of the Lombardi trophy to the Belichick trophy or would he be just another coach in the league.
I don't even think it is that deep...Blackson has a different role and is a BO'Gaine dude in terms of body type (6'4 320) versus 6'3'maybe 300 maybe Covington who is more quickness 4-3 DT which Brandon Dunn (tendered RFA) is nearly a twin. Joel Health re-signed is more 3-4 end like Blackson. That's not saying that Blackson was not relatively overpaid, but there is plenty of football to the dudes who were kept.[/QUOTE]
I would like to see Watt on the inside more.[/QUOTE]
I don't have a problem with that deal. Crennel obviously sees something in blackson and he probably got some outside offers. Sounds like Covington didn't have much of a market
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I sure see this a lot, but did he really nail it? Looks like he nailed it with Reid, yes. Rankin, the jury is definitely still out. Drafting 2 TEs in a draft with limited picks, and with the same needs last year as you have this year, and that were barely used in the offense. Coutee could be a hit if he can find a way to stay on the field. Ejiofor and Kalambayi had little impact if any. And I don't even know who Jermaine Kelly is (entire season on IR).
That's nailing a draft??
By saying 'Walker type' you're implying massive amount of picks and players. That simply wouldn't happen
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
From a GM point of view yes. It takes at least 2-3 years to really know if most players will pan out so Reid working out quickly is a bonus. Coutee would be great but no one can predict injuries so you can't hang that one on his neck. The jury still being out on Rankin is, as I said, normal and its not Gaines fault that BoB didn't use the TEs. I don't know of any Oline last year that we could have got that would have actually helped us so I don't blame him for not using picks on those; plus we knew the line was bad but I doubt anyone really knew how bad at that point. You don't expect players from the 4 round on to be impact players, that's what the first and second round are for, they are there for depth and to develop.
So yeah given the handcuffs he was wearing I'd say he nailed that draft.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Do you really wonder that or are you just trying to drive home a point?
Bill Belichick didn't look this lost in Cleveland like Obrien looks lost here.
Belichick drafted him a diamond in rough who is now the best quarterback to play this game. And no I'm not going to sit back and try to imagine the what if.
I think he gives RAC this lattitude and he did let Godsey call plays.
He doesn't want to bring in guys from outside due to the fact that he wants coaches that share his philosophy, just like most HC's. I'm interested in seeing how Carl Smith does with Watson. He's a QB whisperer.
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I don't think that there is any question that they think they are closer than we (fans) and others (media/rest of NFL). If I have heard them correctly, both Gaine and BOB believe that improvement, in general and OL specifically, will mostly come from the players getting more experience and the unity of being in their system. the proof for them is an 11-5 season after 4-12 with an 0-3 start. That's what I think they think.
Ozzie learned under BB and BB was building a great team when Modell blew everything up and moved the team to Baltimore. Cleveland did make the playoffs under BB.
I think you're oversimplifying things. Of course you do need a QB.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
No I do really wonder that. Also this whole "he looks lost" narrative what does that even mean? Is it people think that because of the looks he sometimes has on his face? Is it they disagree with some of his calls? Either way its subjective opinion and doesn't hold water. If he was running up and down the side lines asking people whats going on then you might could say he looks lost.
Also FYI it wasn't BB that picked Tom Brady.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.32c882eb6692
I grant you he was smart enough to listen to his scout but its not like BB saw something in Brady that no one else did.
txtechsean
Practice Squad
they should sign Jared Cook
Adding a pro bowl level S in the 3rd rd alone would make this draft a success. You need to give the Jordans a chance to get adjusted to the NFL I particularly like Thomas. Coutee has a chance to be a dominate guy in the slot if he can stay healthy.
If you haven't heard there is this thing called ST's, Kalambayi contributed to those just like most late rd draft picks do. Without 1st or 2nd rd picks what were your expectations.
This draft was certainly better than anything we've seen from the former GM over the last decade.
What do you think BO'Gaine mean when they talk about sharing a philosophy of how a team is built? At least this far, what in the off-season contradicts this?
Example, they want to keep their types.guys..see DL discussion above...and believe that re-signing Henderson is better than getting one of the half -dozen 30 something used-to-be-good and still might better OTs to serve as a stop gap....just following what those are saying and what their action are telling me.
Just about any "Draft Value Chart" one consults will give this calculation for the 9th & 40th & 23rd picks : (1350 + 500) = 1850 - 760 (23rd pick) = 1100 (aproximately the 14th overall pick in the 2019 Draft.
You certainly know quite a bit about offensive line play but I don't think that enables you to know how Brian Gaine feels about this Draft and his ratings of individual players including the offensive lineman.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I’ll give you Kalambayi. This early in the morning ST just wasn’t on my mind. But if Gaine and OB are supposed to be “aligned” then the TE selections are far from nailing it.
And if it takes 2-3 years to evaluate a draft, then saying it’s nailed is as premature as me saying it isn’t.
I agree with them on Henderson. But if they think adding Henderson and going with Davenport at LT even if he improves and keeping the rest of the OL band together is going to be good enough to keep their franchise QB healthy they're crazy.
What's Clowney worth added to the trade? We dont know how Gaine/Beane feel about Clowney's value. They may value Clowney much higher than we do.
You're right, I dont know how Gaine feels and this is all speculation. But I do know how I feel about this draft.
You've got to factor in Watson learning and improving also. He caused quite a few of those hits/sacks his ownself
The TE's should be much better particularly in blocking in yr 2. Hopefully the Ol will be better so they have more freedom to go out in routes more often.
Agreed, but getting Reid in the 3rd is a great start.
Dakota
Ticketbooth Attendant
Catching up this morning on posts I've missed since yesterday, and I've come to 3 conclusions:
1) Everyone has forgot that the biggest asshole in radio has a major Houston morning show on 790.
2) 610 and all local stations are #fakenews because they don't share the opinion that we should all be lighting dumpster fires in the streets a few days into free agency signings.
3) Brian Gaine doesn't even deserve 1 full offseason and the Browns are geniuses for sucking the majority of the last 3 decades and now look at them!!!
1) Everyone has forgot that the biggest asshole in radio has a major Houston morning show on 790.
2) 610 and all local stations are #fakenews because they don't share the opinion that we should all be lighting dumpster fires in the streets a few days into free agency signings.
3) Brian Gaine doesn't even deserve 1 full offseason and the Browns are geniuses for sucking the majority of the last 3 decades and now look at them!!!
My current drat guesstimation is that the Texans draft an OT of some sort early giving them a draft pick, Henderson, Davenport as pure tackles and then "rest of the band" fight it out for the 3 spots inside. I would be mildly surprised to see more than one OLman in the first four picks. As I see it now.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
Great read!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I can agree with this ArlingtonTexan. I could also get behind the Texans investing in OT, Mitch Hyatt if the indications of him falling into RD5 or RD6 remain correct. Go OT early and Hyatt late.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I thought I posted this somewhere else but completely agree.
I get we didn’t have a pick early, but I don’t see why people keep saying he nailed the draft.
I like all the players he drafted actually...even Kelly based on college film, but besides Reid the bulk of that class hasn’t really done much.
This is what I think will happen. But thet have to find a better LT and if they really want a solid OL they need to invest in an IOL like McCoy if they really want to fix the OL. Putting this much faith in Henderson's ability to stay healthy is a mistake. IMHO
This is what I think will happen. But thet have to find a better LT and if they really want a solid OL they need to invest in an IOL like McCoy if they really want to fix the OL. Putting this much faith in Henderson's ability to stay healthy is a mistake. IMHO
dream_team
Hall of Fame
People that are saying Gaine nailed the draft is being premature. You really can’t judge a draft class until after 2-3 years.
What you can say, though, is this class shows a lot of potential. But, potential doesn’t always pan out. There were tons of guys we were extremely giddy about, but then ended up not really amounting to much (for various reasons).
They drafted Rankin thinking he'd be a tackle and were completely wrong. I like the defensive additions though
Texansballer74
The Marine
Former #Browns CB Briean Boddy-Calhoun signed a 1-year deal with the #Texans, source said. He started 15 games over the past two seasons.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I like the chances for every pick in his first draft. Needless to say, this is the most optimistic I've been in regards to a complete draft class executed by the Texans as a whole.
I don't get the bolded
Texansballer74
The Marine
One of the reasons why I don't trust their judgment. They have been wrong a lot when it comes to the offensive line.
Link?