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2019 Texans free agency

It's all about value guys. Who gives us the best bang for our buck. Yes even though we have plenty of money doesn't mean we should spend it although we have glaring needs we can easily just address those through the draft with late picks in the draft. We can get a great value Safety for half the cost of Earl Thomas why would we not jump all over that? Also a reason we didn't even go after any linemen is because none of them are versatile, we aren't looking for linemen who are great at just one position but more so if they are average at best at multiple position so Devlin can coach them up to be the best them.

-Brian Gaine & Bill O'Brien mindset.
 
Shishkabob said:
THIS RIGHT HERE. You build a team, you do not buy a team. Do you want a 2 year window, or a 10 year window? That's the difference in building vs buying
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This aint brain surgery, you draft well and use FA $$$$ to fill holes like the Rams/Eagles have done the last 2 yrs. I dont see them having a short run. 2 playoff appearances in the last 2 yrs and counting.
 
Jadmakaveli said:
It's all about value guys. Who gives us the best bang for our buck. Yes even though we have plenty of money doesn't mean we should spend it although we have glaring needs we can easily just address those through the draft with late picks in the draft. We can get a great value Safety for half the cost of Earl Thomas why would we not jump all over that? Also a reason we didn't even go after any linemen is because none of them are versatile, we aren't looking for linemen who are great at just one position but more so if they are average at best at multiple position so Devlin can coach them up to be the best them.

-Brian Gaine & Bill O'Brien mindset.
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Cheapass mindset coming from Cletus
 
In 2020 the Texans have $107m in capspace but these guys will get big raises:

-clowney
-watson
-mercilus
-fuller

Plus all the draft picks for the next two drafts

Signing brown and Matthieu means you can't keep everyone.
 
steelbtexan said:
With their cheapass philosophy they aren't ever going to be more than a middling team.

It's obvious what the Texans orgs priorities are and winning ain't at the top of the list.
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I can't say that's true or untrue based upon their actions. There are teams that spend the least amount they can get away with (I'm looking at you, Mike Brown of the Bengals). I thought that because the Texans did have cap space and did not have the young talent from the top 2 rounds of the '18 draft, this would be the year to make that up. They are apparently disagreeing. Maybe this is not the year. I thought that with some starts aging (Watt) and some potentially on the move in the future (Clowney), this would be the year to spend big. Again, the Texans are apparently disagreeing. Maybe the plan is not to go all in.

What we do know is that other AFC South teams (Jags & Titans) spend big FA bucks in the past without getting the bang they hoped for. That doesn't make them wrong for trying necessarily. Just that it didn't work. Bottom line is, find a way to make it work. Or keep trying to find someone that can.
 
TheKDog said:
In 2020 the Texans have $107m in capspace but these guys will get big raises:

-clowney
-watson
-mercilus
-fuller

Plus all the draft picks for the next two drafts

Signing brown and Matthieu means you can't keep everyone.
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Whitney Mercilus is not getting a big raise from the Texans. If the cap wasn't so ridiculous, he would be a possible salary dump. As it is, his contract is barely about the reserve D-lineman the Texans just re-signed. Mercilus will be 30 next season. Ask Justin Houston, a guy who was a top pass rusher, what the market is for a 30 year old edge rusher.

Yes, guys will have to be re-signed. Yes, they will get silly contracts. But the cap keeps going up. The Texans are not close to being in cap trouble, now or in the future. It's a false narrative as to why the team isn't spending money. A better reason would be, they don't like the players on the market.
 
Lucky said:
Whitney Mercilus is not getting a big raise from the Texans. If the cap wasn't so ridiculous, he would be a possible salary dump. As it is, his contract is barely about the reserve D-lineman the Texans just re-signed. Mercilus will be 30 next season. Ask Justin Houston, a guy who was a top pass rusher, what the market is for a 30 year old edge rusher.

Yes, guys will have to be re-signed. Yes, they will get silly contracts. But the cap keeps going up. The Texans are not close to being in cap trouble, now or in the future. It's a false narrative as to why the team isn't spending money. A better reason would be, they don't like the players on the market.
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Currently that have $107m in capspace for 2020.

I think Watson and Clowney will take at least $50 million. Ok Mercilus' you let go. How much for Zac and Fuller? How much for the next 2 drafts?

It gets really right if you are paying Trent Brown and Matthieu $40 million.
 
About Tashaun Gipson, sorry for the length posted the whole article since the athletic is behind a pay wall

https://theathletic.com/571836/2018...oaches-his-vital-role-on-the-jaguars-defense/

Oct 5, 2018JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Every Monday night, Todd Wash’s phone lights up from an incoming call. The Jaguars defensive coordinator picks up, and on the other end of the line is an inquiring mind with the same weekly question.

"Coach," Tashaun Gipson says to Wash, "who am I covering?"

Now in his third season as the Jaguars’ starting free safety, Gipson is consumed by his individual matchups. Most often, he’s handed the task of covering opposing tight ends, one of the most difficult tasks for defenses in today’s NFL. Modern tight ends possess a daunting mix of speed, size, strength and athleticism. On paper, at only 5-11, Gipson shouldn’t be able to go toe-to-toe with these towering offensive figures. And yet he’s developed into perhaps the best tight end defender in professional football — to the point where he’s earned the nickname "Tight End Whisperer" among his teammates and coaches.

"He might not get the recognition outside of our building," Wash said. "But within our building, he’s irreplaceable. He really is." Look back to Week 2 for the most recent example.

Few teams, if any, have successfully shut down or even slowed down Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski, who, by the end of his career, could go down as the greatest tight end of all time. The Jaguars limited him to just two catches for 15 yards in their home-opening victory Sept. 16 — and it was Gipson, with some help from safety-mate Barry Church over the top, who matched up with Gronkowski man-to-man on about 18 plays in that game. Gronkowski stands 6-foot-6 and weighs just shy of 270 pounds. How was Gipson able to play such tight coverage against a man so much bigger than he is? It comes down to technique.

Gipson develops a very specific game plan for each tight end he covers. That’s why he calls Wash early in the week — so he can start to map out his approach. Gipson did that with Gronk, who he considers the top tight end in football. And he did it again this week, with the Chiefs’ Travis Kelce awaiting Sunday in Kansas City. In the case of the Gronkowski, Gipson concentrated on jamming the Patriots tight end on the line — or "getting hands on" him. The point was to get Gronkowski off his route and disrupt his timing with quarterback Tom Brady. "Gronk is just a physically imposing guy," Gipson said, "and he’s just bigger and stronger and sometimes faster than just everybody out there." Gipson warned that contact at the line of scrimmage is "only part of the battle," though.

"It’s just not, hey, I’m going to get my hands on him and the route is done," Gipson said. "Because if you look at the New England game, I got my hands on Gronk in time, and Brady still bought a little more time to see that little separation and say, ‘Hey, I’m going to throw this football still." That requires effort and concentration throughout the play, something Gipson also displays on the practice field, according to Jags tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins, who faces off against Gipson daily.

"He just doesn’t quit," Seferian-Jenkins said. "Because some people will get beat, and then they kind of give up, and those are the big plays. He just never gives up on a play." Though his tenacity remains consistent, Gipson changes his tight end game plan week to week depending on his opponent’s skill set. With Gronkowski, Gipson knew he could find success by being physical at the line of scrimmage. But Kelce, who Gipson said is the No. 2 tight end in the league behind Gronk, provides a "different" set of challenges.

"He’s shifty in his routes," Gipson said, "and it’s not just the Incredible Hulk mentality." As a result, Gipson plans to use a variety of techniques and alignments Sunday — "mix it up, play off, press him," he said. "At the end of the day, these guys are 6-4, 6-5, 250-, 260-pound kind of of guys. So sometimes just being able to try to get your hands on these guys, it’s pretty effective," Gipson added. "But Kelce is like a wide receiver, so a lot of that stuff kind of goes out the window. "You just got to pick your spots. You got to pick and understand when to be physical and when to just play football, because sometimes, man, you have to treat him like a wide receiver. I’ve seen cornerbacks go against him, and he’s had success. So sometimes it’s not all just about the physical matchups, saying, hey, get your hands on him, kill the route. Sometimes you got to just scale back and say, OK, this is a wide receiver in my eyes, so, OK, let me play him with a little more finesse to kind of counter his game."

Gipson often says in order to be the best, he must prove himself against the best. That means match up with Gronkowski and Kelce and coming out on top. It’s the reason he circled those two games — vs. the Patriots and at the Chiefs — on the Jaguars’ schedule when it was released in April. He backs down from no tight end. "Tash really doesn’t give a f–k if the guy is 7-foot-9 or 6-foot-3," Seferian-Jenkins said. "He’s going to guard him."

And the stats back this up. Since the start of 2017, including last year’s three playoff games, the Jaguars are allowing just 42.1 receiving yards per game to opposing tight ends. In eight of those games, opposing tight ends combined for fewer than 30 receiving yards. This is why Gipson has earned his nickname and, more importantly, cemented himself as one of the most important pieces on this league-best Jaguars defense.

"It allows us to do more things," Wash said. "Defensively, we know that he can lock down a real good tight end. We’re going to have a lot of good tight ends the rest of the season that he’s going to have some challenges with, but we feel comfortable with him in man coverage. And that’s a luxury we have, obviously, because of his ability."
 
Lucky said:
I can't say that's true or untrue based upon their actions. There are teams that spend the least amount they can get away with (I'm looking at you, Mike Brown of the Bengals). I thought that because the Texans did have cap space and did not have the young talent from the top 2 rounds of the '18 draft, this would be the year to make that up. They are apparently disagreeing. Maybe this is not the year. I thought that with some starts aging (Watt) and some potentially on the move in the future (Clowney), this would be the year to spend big. Again, the Texans are apparently disagreeing. Maybe the plan is not to go all in.

What we do know is that other AFC South teams (Jags & Titans) spend big FA bucks in the past without getting the bang they hoped for. That doesn't make them wrong for trying necessarily. Just that it didn't work. Bottom line is, find a way to make it work. Or keep trying to find someone that can.
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other teams in the AFC South are improving. So this is a fallacy.

Could there be another reason the Texans dont spend like the other teams in the NFL/AFC South?

The last 3 yrs the McNair's have gone full on Mike Brown.
 
dalemurphy said:
Steelb has been consistent the past 10 years with his criticism of the organization.... and not just general criticisms that change year to year. He has been making this precise argument. I tend not to agree with him, but I have certainly come to respect his position over the years since it has proven to be viable (at the least). He gets intense. It is a message board. Of course he isn't wishing injury on Watson. He is expressing the level of his frustration and the degree to which he wants to see the organization make changes.

(That being said, I don't agree with the pessimism after 1.5 days of pre-free agency. Let's see where we are in a week.)
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steelbtexan has been consistent but nothing compared to the Texans organization. See this isn't the Texans first go round with a "Franchise QB". They drafted Carr #1 and promptly surrounded him with an OL so piss-poor, that he never developed. Some of that can be blamed on Carr but a lot of that can be blamed on the organization b/c they thought he was given an adequate OL.....fail!!! Enter Watson, and the team thinks they've given him an adequate OL. If they truly follow through with this thought process this season....Watson could endure another 60+ sack season. What is it with this team always thinking they've got a great OL?
 
TheKDog said:
Currently that have $107m in capspace for 2020.

I think Watson and Clowney will take at least $50 million. Ok Mercilus' you let go. How much for Zac and Fuller? How much for the next 2 drafts?

It gets really right if you are paying Trent Brown and Matthieu $40 million.
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The cap will go up and you decide to let Clowney walk. Can WFV stay healthy (history says no) signing Cunningham to a big extension would be flat out stupid.
 
TheKDog said:
I think Watson and Clowney will take at least $50 million.
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Yes, the AAVs would be that, or more in Watson's case. But the guaranteed money is spread out through the contract. That's why the cap hit is smaller in the first years, as opposed to the latter. The Texans know how to do all of these deals without getting in cap trouble. The issue comes when you sign a bust FA and have to dump him immediately (Osweiler, Brock).
 
You also have Lamar Miller as a fa in 2020. I'm not a fan but obrien might be setting aside $10m for him.

Nick Martin and Joseph will also be a free agents. They shouldn't get much but they'll need to get something or be replaced
 
Shishkabob said:
So you wish injury upon a young man just so hopefully the team you claim to like will change to your way of thinking? Yea you're a douche I don't care if Cak bans me you can go **** yourself over that statement

2nd teams that win the first day of free agency generally never win in January, but you and all of your endless knowledge most know something that will make it different this year right?
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It's not me who disagrees with you.

History disagrees with you

Look at the teams in the confrence championship games the last 2 yrs and how they were built and get back with me.
 
Lucky said:
Yes, the AAVs would be that, or more in Watson's case. But the guaranteed money is spread out through the contract. That's why the cap hit is smaller in the first years, as opposed to the latter. The Texans know how to do all of these deals without getting in cap trouble. The issue comes when you sign a bust FA and have to dump him immediately (Osweiler, Brock).
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Agreed the Texans know how to stay out of cap trouble which is why they aren't making big signings this offseason
 
steelbtexan said:
other teams in the AFC South are improving. So this is a fallacy.
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It's not over yet, but who has improved. The Jags had to dump some vet salaries so they could sign a FA QB. That could improve the team. But, we've seen FA QBs not improve a team (Cousins, just last season). The Jags FA bonanza in '17 and the Titans splurge in '18 has not brought the fruits expected. Nothing fallacious about that.
 
TheKDog said:
Reality:

-they had ~$70 mil in capspace coming into this season, $107m for next season, and $130m for 2021

-Clowney will take at least $20 mil of that, maybe more

-watson will take at least $25 mil starting 2020 or 2021?

-mercilus and Fuller will have to be paid or they'll leave after 2019. Will they get extended this year? Same for Cunningham after 2020

-watt will be a free agent in 2022.

-they still need to set aside money for the draft and for any needs leftover after the draft

-they don't want to spend all their capspace for years and years down the road
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Other teams have these issues and seem to figure these things out. Ask yourself why cant the Texans org?
 
steelbtexan said:
It's not me who disagrees with you.

History disagrees with you

Look at the teams in the confrence championship games the last 2 yrs and how they were built and get back with me.
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Jaguars won free agency 3 years in a row and did what? Titans supposedly had the best free agency in the south last year and did what? Dolphins are normally big spenders and do what? Redskins? Raiders? Jets? This happens every year, but you wan to act like it's different somehow

Again you're a douchebag for wishing injury upon a player so you can stroke your ego a little more, go **** yourself
 
Lucky said:
It's not over yet, but who has improved. The Jags had to dump some vet salaries so they could sign a FA QB. That could improve the team. But, we've seen FA QBs not improve a team (Cousins, just last season). The Jags FA bonanza in '17 and the Titans splurge in '18 has not brought the fruits expected. Nothing fallacious about that.
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The Vikes did exactly what the Texans are doing. Not investing in their OL and when injuries hit they were done. Same fate awaits the Texans. The Jags learned their lesson and I bet they invest heavily in their OL in the draft so Foles has a chance to be healthy/effective. Plus with the draft capital they've spent on Robinson/ FA Norwell they are already ahead of where the Texans are.
 
FA wouldn't be that big of a press for the Texans if the organization had a history of hitting on draft picks before Gaine's arrival. If the team isn't going to play or pay in the FA period......they'd do themselves a big favor by obtaining more picks and letting Gaine do his magic where everyone in the organization seems more comfortable from a financial standpoint.
 
Lucky said:
It's difficult for even the fans that follow the league closely to wrap their heads around these deals. Not long ago, you had to be a star to get a deal that averaged $10 mil/season. Now, they're handed out like candy. The cap is rising faster than most teams can spend it. Should Trent Brown be the highest paid OT in the game? NFW. But he is because he was the best OT without a contract. And when another OT comes on the market, that guy will be the highest paid. I could care less how the Texans spend their cap space. What I care about is winning. So whatever they do or don't do, they better win.
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Agreed.

And I wish I had the confidence that they knew what they were doing.
 
steelbtexan said:
Other teams have these issues and seem to figure these things out. Ask yourself why cant the Texans org?
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A lot of teams do little in free agency. The Patriots let trent brown go for example.


The problem stems from OBrien making poor personnel decisions since year 1.
 
Shishkabob said:
Jaguars won free agency 3 years in a row and did what? Titans supposedly had the best free agency in the south last year and did what? Dolphins are normally big spenders and do what? Redskins? Raiders? Jets? This happens every year, but you wan to act like it's different somehow

Again you're a douchebag for wishing injury upon a player so you can stroke your ego a little more, go **** yourself
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Did you look at the conference championship teams the last 2 yrs before making this post and carrying on with this drivel about me. I have no ego when it comes to the Texans, Fact is The Texans org will never win anything with the way they acquire players currently. I want change and if something unfortunate has to happen to affect change then I'm for it. (I dont want Watson to get hurt but if/when he does the Texans org will get what they deserve.)
 
Am I right in thinking that if the Texans fill their cap space up with trades they won't lose any comp picks they've gotten from players leaving? I'm just asking cuz I kinda feel like that's what NE does on a frequent basis.
 
Shishkabob said:
Nah he said multiple times in the post he is fine with Watson getting injured if it changes the organizations way of thinking. I know he spouts the Cheap Texans line every year, I get it, but actively wishing a guy to get injured to prove your point makes you a douche
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Like I care about your opinion of me.

Posters who very rarely post here were saying the same things you're saying about me since 2009. Remind me of how many AFCCG's the Texans have participated in since then.

You dont get me at al and that's fine. I'M CONSISTENT.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Am I right in thinking that if the Texans fill their cap space up with trades they won't lose any comp picks they've gotten from players leaving? I'm just asking cuz I kinda feel like that's what NE does on a frequent basis.
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Not sure of all the specific rules but yes the Patriots are very smart about comp picks.

One reason the Demaryius Thomas trade sucked was that the Texans were always going to cut him and not get a comp pick out of it. That was different for the Golden Tate and Amari Cooper trades at around the same time, which will result in comp picks if they leave their current teams.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Am I right in thinking that if the Texans fill their cap space up with trades they won't lose any comp picks they've gotten from players leaving? I'm just asking cuz I kinda feel like that's what NE does on a frequent basis.
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Comp picks are based upon the net UFAs a team loses. Right now, the Texans are +2 and would receive 2 comp picks.
 
Perhaps steelb is right:

Take Away

While we don’t know all the factors involved on how the team spends their cash. The numbers tend to indicate the organization is content with spending near the 89% requirement, or just above it. The team is not close to the spending of Philadelphia, New York, Los Angeles (Rams), and Jacksonville. Teams in major markets and/or with lucrative owners are willing to spend above and beyond the 89% number. Some teams across the league are content with meeting the minimums.

The formula for the 89% cash spending utilizing the unadjusted cap numbers allows teams to spend to the minimum, roll over unused cap dollars and only spend if the team feels their roster warrants additional funds for a superbowl run. The players should attempt to have this formula adjusted in the next CBA, either to an annual requirement or adjust the formula to use adjusted team cap figures to account for rollover.

The Texans’ are flush with available cap dollars in 2019 & 2020, which aligns with their past history of spending heavily in years 3 & 4 of the cash window. 2020 is the last year of the CBA, which includes additional contract rules. Teams may be leery of investing long term deals beyond 2020 without knowing how the new CBA will work out.

http://texanscap.com/2018/10/01/houston-texans-cash-spending/
 
@TexansCap
Houston #Texans spent 100.96% of their unadjusted cap in cash in the third year of the last spending window (2015). 2019 is the third year of this cash spending window. See if history repeats itself.

@TexansCap 4h4 hours ago
If 100% is the number then team could spend another $20m in cash this year on FA (after Gipson). If budget is down around 92% then available cash for FA drops to about $6.5m. His factors in draft and regular season spending. All depends on the team budget.
 
TheKDog said:
A lot of teams do little in free agency. The Patriots let trent brown go for example.


The problem stems from OBrien making poor personnel decisions since year 1.
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Look at the FA signing list over the last 3 yrs and get back to me. The Pats are the outlier since they've got BB/Brady. The Texans are currently in the process of blowing Watson's rookie contract advantage and when they do I cant wait to here the org poor mouthing and posters on here defending them. We should brainstorm and make a list of these posters.
 
steelbtexan said:
Like I care about your opinion of me.

Posters who very rarely post here were saying the same things you're saying about me since 2009. Remind me of how many AFCCG's the Texans have participated in since then.

You dont get me at al and that's fine. I'M CONSISTENT.
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With all due respect Steel, aren't you the one that was pounding all of us that have been disgruntled with the current regime. I mean all I've seen from your posts over the last year or so is how there is now a new sheriff in town, we are done with that loser RS, and now we have a savior in Gaine and now the HC and the GM are aligned and they fart unicorns and rainbows and their sheet don't stink like us mere humans.

Now, you're over here trashing these same people. I guess I define the word consistent a little differently.

I also think the other fans that post here would be a little more respectful of you if you knocked off the hyperbole about injuries and such. We're all passionate fans - that's why we hang out here so we can communicate with other fans, but no need to go overboard and talk about people dying and getting injured. This is the toy store of life, and guess what, we have no control over it. So Relax and enjoy it!
 
steelbtexan said:
Look at the FA signing list over the last 3 yrs and get back to me. The Pats are the outlier since they've got BB/Brady. The Texans are currently in the process of blowing Watson's rookie contract advantage and when they do I cant wait to here the org poor mouthing and posters on here defending them. We should brainstorm and make a list of these posters.
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The Texans have made plenty of FA signings. Osweiler, Jeff Allen, Lamar Miller and Colvin, for example.
 
steelbtexan said:
Look at the FA signing list over the last 3 yrs and get back to me. The Pats are the outlier since they've got BB/Brady. The Texans are currently in the process of blowing Watson's rookie contract advantage and when they do I cant wait to here the org poor mouthing and posters on here defending them. We should brainstorm and make a list of these posters.
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Or just turn the other cheek :dangit:
 
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