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2019 Texans free agency

Why does it seem like the Texans approach FA like they approach games?

Reactive instead of attacking and proactive.

We have DIRE need at both OL and secondary and our answer is an average player in place of a very good player and otherwise crickets chirping?

Where is the urgency?
 
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Here are some key notes on the Gipson addition.
Since 2013

Gipson has 19 interceptions and 38 passes defensed.

Jackson has 9 interceptions and 55 passes defensed.

Mathieu has 13 interceptions and 49 passed defensed.

Since 2016

Gipson has 6 interceptions and 16 passes defensed.

Jackson has 4 interceptions and 31 passes defensed.

Mathieu has 5 interceptions and 19 passes defensed.


  • The Texans wanted Mathieu back bad in a bad way and where willing to push up the spending bar to keep him from jumping to Kansas City. The final numbers were $14 million a year which was too much in the long run for the Texans to spend for Mathieu. The Texans are trying to get the most bang for their buck and now add $7.33 million a season in Gipson’s new deal with the Texans. It is a balance for the Texans, they try to maximize their dollars for play on the field. It is yet to be seen if Gipson pans out but the Texans feel they have adequately filled their starting safety vacancy.
  • The Texans are also hedging their signings on potentially landing compensation in next year’s draft with the exit of both Tyrann Mathieu and Kareem Jackson. Mathieu signed for $14 million a year while Jackson landed $11 million a year from Denver. Since Gipson was cut by the Jaguars in a roster purge to clear cap space for Nick Foles, the contract Gipson received from the Texans does not count towards that equations for potential draft picks coming the Texans way. At this rate, the Texans could potentially have late day two or early day three selections in the draft.
  • The Texans knew that the price tag would get out of control for Mathieu and were working on contingency plans the entire time just in case things did not pan out. The Texans had no interest in bringing back Kareem Jackson to play safety and after receiving word that Adrian Amos Jr. was taking an offer for $9 million a year from the Green Bay Packers, the Texans move to Gipson. The Texans did check on Earl Thomas but the price tag remained too high for their comfort.
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The #Dolphins are closing in on a new two-year contract with WR DeVante Parker, per league source. Chance for former first-round pick to capitalize on high potential with a new regime.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 12, 2019
 
With Barr going back and signing with he Vikings, and being over the cap, could this potentially be a good thing for the Texans ? Maybe they trade Rhodes to us for a 3rd for cap relief
 
That's what it's going to take to affect change within the Texans org. As unpleasant as this m
dream_team said:
These are your own words.



You wanted them to sign Brown to help protect Watson. So did I. But I’m not hoping anyone gets hurt just to prove a point.
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1st of all this was intentional hyperbole.

2nd of all I want the Texans org to experience the consequences of their inactions and that has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be right. 3rd of all this has nothing to do with Brown, it has to do with an organizational philosophy that I disagree with. 3rd I really dont care what who or why philosophical change happens I just want change to happen. If it takes Watson getting injured I'm on board because maybe then and only then will change happen.

I mean they didn't even participate in the 1st day of FA like most clubs did, as a fan is that what you really want from the ownership of your favorite team?
 
That's what it's going to take to affect change within the Texans org. As unpleasant as this m
dream_team said:
These are your own words.



You wanted them to sign Brown to help protect Watson. So did I. But I’m not hoping anyone gets hurt just to prove a point.
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1st of all this was intentional hyperbole.

2nd of all I want the Texans org to experience the consequences of their inactions and that has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be right. 3rd of all this has nothing to do with Brown, it has to do with an organizational philosophy that I disagree with. 3rd I really dont care what who or why philosophical change happens I just want change to happen. If it takes Watson getting injured I'm on board because maybe then and only then will change happen.

I mean they didn't even participate in the 1st day of FA like most clubs did, as a fan is that what you really want from the ownership of your favorite team?
 
steelbtexan said:
That's what it's going to take to affect change within the Texans org. As unpleasant as this m


1st of all this was intentional hyperbole.

2nd of all I want the Texans org to experience the consequences of their inactions and that has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be right. 3rd of all this has nothing to do with Brown, it has to do with an organizational philosophy that I disagree with. 3rd I really dont care what who or why philosophical change happens I just want change to happen. If it takes Watson getting injured I'm on board because maybe then and only then will change happen.

I mean they didn't even participate in the 1st day of FA like most clubs did, as a fan is that what you really want from the ownership of your favorite team?
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So you wish injury upon a young man just so hopefully the team you claim to like will change to your way of thinking? Yea you're a douche I don't care if Cak bans me you can go **** yourself over that statement

2nd teams that win the first day of free agency generally never win in January, but you and all of your endless knowledge most know something that will make it different this year right?
 
Shishkabob said:
So you wish injury upon a young man just so hopefully the team you claim to like will change to your way of thinking? Yea you're a douche I don't care if Cak bans me you can go **** yourself over that statement

2nd teams that win the first day of free agency generally never win in January, but you and all of your endless knowledge most know something that will make it different this year right?
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Seems like it's usually been the Dolphins or Redskins winning the 1st day of free agency. Never the Patriots.
 
TheKDog said:
Lol if our QB guru and offensive genius really goes and pays big money for Bell. RB is the most overrated position in the modern, pass-friendly NFL. You can just find someone cheap or plug in a rookie (as Foreman showed until he got hurt).
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Bell is like having a 4th or 5th WR on the field.
 
Shishkabob said:
So you wish injury upon a young man just so hopefully the team you claim to like will change to your way of thinking? Yea you're a douche I don't care if Cak bans me you can go **** yourself over that statement

2nd teams that win the first day of free agency generally never win in January, but you and all of your endless knowledge most know something that will make it different this year right?
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Steelb has been consistent the past 10 years with his criticism of the organization.... and not just general criticisms that change year to year. He has been making this precise argument. I tend not to agree with him, but I have certainly come to respect his position over the years since it has proven to be viable (at the least). He gets intense. It is a message board. Of course he isn't wishing injury on Watson. He is expressing the level of his frustration and the degree to which he wants to see the organization make changes.

(That being said, I don't agree with the pessimism after 1.5 days of pre-free agency. Let's see where we are in a week.)
 
dalemurphy said:
Steelb has been consistent the past 10 years with his criticism of the organization.... and not just general criticisms that change year to year. He has been making this precise argument. I tend not to agree with him, but I have certainly come to respect his position over the years since it has proven to be viable (at the least). He gets intense. It is a message board. Of course he isn't wishing injury on Watson. He is expressing the level of his frustration and the degree to which he wants to see the organization make changes.

(That being said, I don't agree with the pessimism after 1.5 days of pre-free agency. Let's see where we are in a week.)
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Nah he said multiple times in the post he is fine with Watson getting injured if it changes the organizations way of thinking. I know he spouts the Cheap Texans line every year, I get it, but actively wishing a guy to get injured to prove your point makes you a douche
 
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Reality:

-they had ~$70 mil in capspace coming into this season, $107m for next season, and $130m for 2021

-Clowney will take at least $20 mil of that, maybe more

-watson will take at least $25 mil starting 2020 or 2021?

-mercilus and Fuller will have to be paid or they'll leave after 2019. Will they get extended this year? Same for Cunningham after 2020

-watt will be a free agent in 2022.

-they still need to set aside money for the draft and for any needs leftover after the draft

-they don't want to spend all their capspace for years and years down the road
 
Shishkabob said:
Nah he said multiple times in the post he is fine with Watson getting injured if it changes the organizations way of thinking. I know he spouts the Cheap Texans line every year, I get it, but actively wishing a guy to get injured to prove your point makes you a douche
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add to that his recent "Jesus with cleats" comments made about Watson and i've found that no matter how substantive his takes are its just a better world without having to be force fed them non stop .. its invigorating to click "show ignored content" every now and then just to chuckle.
 
"Most teams" were not very active on day one. That's just false.

Who did the Pats, Dolphins, Falcons, Cowboys, 49ers, Cards, Seahawks, Steelrs, or Charges sign just to name a handful.

The teams that were most active were losing orgs overspending to make a splash with their fans. Splash signings last about a week and give the team a nice buzz. But those fans are also sitting on their couch around January watching better orgs play.

I think a balanced approach is best. Yes, I want them to be aggressive but within the realm of fiscal sanity. Throwing around $$$$ for the sake of a splash signing is nuts unless it's the one that puts you in contention.
 
dalemurphy said:
Steelb has been consistent the past 10 years with his criticism of the organization.... and not just general criticisms that change year to year. He has been making this precise argument. I tend not to agree with him, but I have certainly come to respect his position over the years since it has proven to be viable (at the least). He gets intense. It is a message board. Of course he isn't wishing injury on Watson. He is expressing the level of his frustration and the degree to which he wants to see the organization make changes.

(That being said, I don't agree with the pessimism after 1.5 days of pre-free agency. Let's see where we are in a week.)
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Actually, his view started to shift after Rick Smith got fired, constantly praising "good times are ahead". But now, looks like we're back to the original SteelB.

And this was his exact words, verbatim.

If it takes Watson getting injured I'm on board because maybe then and only then will change happen.
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And he keeps repeating that sentiment.
 
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Porky said:
"Most teams" were not very active on day one. That's just false.

Who did the Pats, Dolphins, Falcons, Cowboys, 49ers, Cards, Seahawks, Steelrs, or Charges sign just to name a handful.

The teams that were most active were losing orgs overspending to make a splash with their fans. Splash signings last about a week and give the team a nice buzz. But those fans are also sitting on their couch around January watching better orgs play.

I think a balanced approach is best. Yes, I want them to be aggressive but within the realm of fiscal sanity. Throwing around $$$$ for the sake of a splash signing is nuts unless it's the one that puts you in contention.
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THIS RIGHT HERE. You build a team, you do not buy a team. Do you want a 2 year window, or a 10 year window? That's the difference in building vs buying
 
Shishkabob said:
THIS RIGHT HERE. You build a team, you do not buy a team. Do you want a 2 year window, or a 10 year window? That's the difference in building vs buying
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Yep which is why conserving draft picks is so important as well as keeping our own FAs that we know are good rather than risking bringing in guys who aren't good (Jeff Allen, osweiler, colvin).

Unfortunately the Texans have traded a lot of picks in the O'Brien regime. And also wasted a lot of picks on projects.
 
Lucky said:
That's what role players are getting now. This is like baseball. Once you're a vet, you get paid. The cap is a staggering figure and only going up. Young players still are cheap ($1 million cap hit). The money has to be spent on someone.
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Yep. And that was the plan with the rookie wage scale.
 
Lucky said:
First, I am in no way an apologist for the organization. They have a full compliment of draft picks and a hefty amount of cap space. But losing Jackson and Mathieu at those price points is completely understandable. This defense needs to get faster, and those guys weren't getting any faster. I don't know what the end game will be. But, I'm sure someone will take the Texans $$$ and they will find DBs with more speed than those currently on the roster.

If I'm wrong, I'll bring the tiki torches to the march on NRG.
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Apparently Tashaun Gipson is the answer to this question.

LMAO
 
Lucky said:
First, I am in no way an apologist for the organization. They have a full compliment of draft picks and a hefty amount of cap space. But losing Jackson and Mathieu at those price points is completely understandable. This defense needs to get faster, and those guys weren't getting any faster. I don't know what the end game will be. But, I'm sure someone will take the Texans $$$ and they will find DBs with more speed than those currently on the roster.

If I'm wrong, I'll bring the tiki torches to the march on NRG.
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Apparently Tashaun Gipson is the answer to this question.

LMAO
Uncle Rico said:
add to that his recent "Jesus with cleats" comments made about Watson and i've found that no matter how substantive his takes are its just a better world without having to be force fed them non stop .. its invigorating to click "show ignored content" every now and then just to chuckle.
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Click away
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Yep. And that was the plan with the rookie wage scale.
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absolutely, and teams knew that they would have to pay handsomely to retain their talent or sign free agents after benefitting so much from paying high profile rookies peanuts for 4-5 years, AND STILL there are teams like Houston that want to preach 'value' when the time comes to pay the piper.
 
Lucky said:
That's what role players are getting now. This is like baseball. Once you're a vet, you get paid. The cap is a staggering figure and only going up. Young players still are cheap ($1 million cap hit). The money has to be spent on someone.
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Does it

It wasn't last yr and it doesn't look like it will be again except on avg guys like Gipson or an injured guy like Jimmy Smith on the cheap.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Yep. And that was the plan with the rookie wage scale.
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It's difficult for even the fans that follow the league closely to wrap their heads around these deals. Not long ago, you had to be a star to get a deal that averaged $10 mil/season. Now, they're handed out like candy. The cap is rising faster than most teams can spend it. Should Trent Brown be the highest paid OT in the game? NFW. But he is because he was the best OT without a contract. And when another OT comes on the market, that guy will be the highest paid. I could care less how the Texans spend their cap space. What I care about is winning. So whatever they do or don't do, they better win.
 
Lucky said:
It's difficult for even the fans that follow the league closely to wrap their heads around these deals. Not long ago, you had to be a star to get a deal that averaged $10 mil/season. Now, they're handed out like candy. The cap is rising faster than most teams can spend it. Should Trent Brown be the highest paid OT in the game? NFW. But he is because he was the best OT without a contract. And when another OT comes on the market, that guy will be the highest paid. I could care less how the Texans spend their cap space. What I care about is winning. So whatever they do or don't do, they better win.
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With their cheapass philosophy they aren't ever going to be more than a middling team.

It's obvious what the Texans orgs priorities are and winning ain't at the top of the list.
 
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