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cuppacoffee

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Unfortunate that he "busted" something fer sure.

Foeman possibly had the talent to succeed, maybe he still does.

Posts from our own resident Doctor inferred that Foreman did not seem too interested in putting in the work to properly rehab himself. Unless my comprehension failed me?

Heart can sometimes overcome lack of talent but a lack of heart most often spells failure .

Maybe this year had a waking up effect on Foreman. Next training camp will tell.

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Texansphan

Football connoisseur
Foeman possibly had the talent to succeed, maybe he still does.

Posts from our own resident Doctor inferred that Foreman did not seem too interested in putting in the work to properly rehab himself. Unless my comprehension failed me?

Heart can sometimes overcome lack of talent but a lack of heart most often spells failure .

Maybe this year had a waking up effect on Foreman. Next training camp will tell.

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Texans could add some incentive by bringing in a promising rookie.
 

Shishkabob

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Ok, at any point in their career have Alfred Blue or Foreman played better than CJ Anderson? When Miller was hurt, the backups were garbage. The Chiefs cut the 3rd leading rusher, put in Williams and doesn't miss a beat. Yet, they did nothing in the offseason to improve the rb room.
You just kind of proved my point. The Chiefs cut an all pro RB, and their run game barely missed a beat. Williams looks like a good back and all, but he is not as talented as Hunt. Kind of like how the Steelers run game didn't miss a beat going from Bell to Conner or Conner to Samuels. They have very good lines to run behind, we have a **** line. Anderson is a good back, and yes he is better than Alfred Blue, but he would have looked like crap here too, because our line couldn't open up holes outside of a short stretch in the season. Also does anyone know that the Rams were the only team to reach out to CJ? Is it possible that the Texans or other teams might have reached out, but after spending the majority of the season in a bad situation, he waited it out for the right situation? If I was his agent I would have told him to avoid going to a place like Houston, he wasn't going to get anything done here behind this line to help his value, more than likely running behind our line would have hurt his value.
 

steelbtexan

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Bwhahaha man give the youngster time to bounce back before dooming him a freaking bust.

A bust wow
Is this the same amount of time that we were supposed to give the ol before judging them to be crap?

No rb has made it back from this injury and I don't expect Foreman to be the first.

Can he hang on for a few years? Yes

Will he ever be what he could have been? Doubtful
 

zshawn10

All Pro
Pendergast: Re-grading Texans GM Brian Gaine’s 2018 Offseason and In-Season Moves

The signing of Tyrann Mathieu was one of Brian Gaine’s better offseason moves of 2018.
It was only one, slightly off-kilter offseason, but let’s see if we can at least learn a thing or two on what to expect from Gaine in the coming months based on how he functioned in the last year as a the team’s general manager. So without further ado, here is my hindsight report card on all of Gaine’s moves in 2018, leading up to the season and during the season:

GRADE A MOVES
A+
Drafted S Justin Reid in 3rd round

Gaine’s first draft pick was his best move so far as Texans GM. Reid looks like a future cornerstone piece, as he routinely made game changing plays all season long, including a 101-yard pick six to essentially win the Washington game in November. Reid was a sure tackler, and a first team all-Rookie selection.

A
Drafted WR Keke Coutee in 4th round

This grade isn’t necessarily for the type of season Coutee had, but more the potential that the slot receiver flashed, when healthy. It appears Coutee is going to wind up being a great selection, if he can get these mysterious hamstring issues figured out. Clearly, this has the makings of a great pick, and I’ll give Gaine the benefit of the doubt that Coutee will resume being healthy next season, as he’d been his whole career at Texas Tech.

A
Overall special teams facelift -

I’m grouping the signings and pickups of Johnson Bademosi, Joe Webb, Buddy Howell, A.J. Moore, Mike Tyson, and anyone else not listed here who made plays on special teams in one bullet point item. Gaine’s keen focus on unearthing special teams aces was the driving force behind the Texans’ surging to the upper quartile of special teams in the league.

A-
Signed S Tyrann Mathieu to a 1 year, $7 million ($6.5 million guaranteed) deal

Mathieu’s play was probably closer to a B than an A-, but this move gets the A- for the value and for Mathieu’s leadership. If the Texans re-sign Mathieu to a long-term deal, he will need to play better to achieve an A- grade again.

A-
Picked up WR DeAndre Carter off waivers in Week 9

The Texans found a guy on the waiver wire, and he became their regular kick and punt returner, and by the end of the year, he was the No. 2 receiver (mostly due to injuries, but still). That’s pretty good.

GRADE B MOVES
B+
Extended ILB Bernardrick McKinney on a five-year, $50 million ($21 million guaranteed) deal

McKinney made his first Pro Bowl, and expanded his game, improving in coverage and making some splash plays in the second half of the season. I didn’t think he’d be worth the money, and the extension kicks in this coming season, but so far, so good.

B+
Drafted TE Jordan Thomas in 6th round

Thomas flashed some red zone chops, and for a sixth round pick, looks like he will be a real keeper.

B
Drafted OLB Duke Ejiofor in 6th round

Ejiofor flashed big with some pass rushing in the preseason, but it was tough having it translated in the regular season. Injuries were an issue during the middle part of the season. The big question with Ejiofor will be "Does he show enough for the team to feel like he can be a viable replacement for Whitney Mercilus, and if so, how soon?" His cap hit is about a tenth of Mercilus’.

B
Drafted ILB Peter Kalambayi in 6th round

Solid special teams guy, and some necessary depth when injuries wrecked the inside linebacker depth chart in November.

B
Signed UDFA P Trevor Daniel

Solid enough first season, replacing a popular future Hall of Famer in Shane Lechler.

B-
Drafted TE Jordan Akins in 3rd round

The later bloomer of the two rookie tight ends, but appears to have a solid physical skill set.

B-
Re-signed CB Johnathan Joseph to a two-year, $10 million ($3.9 million guaranteed) deal

Had some very solid games and a few really rough games, usually against teams with high end speed guys at wide receiver. Joseph was miscast as the team’s No. 1 cornerback, but if he’s back as the second or, even better, third cornerback, he’s certainly worth having around.

B-
Extended G/C Greg Mancz on a two-year, $6 million ($3.5 million) deal

Necessary, competent, inexpensive interior line depth.

B-
Traded 2019 4th round pick for WR Demaryius Thomas

This move gets a solid grade based on (a) the sense that it made at the time, (b) Thomas’ fit in the locker room, and © the enthusiasm generated by having a forward-thinking GM. Thomas’ impact was muted by the adjustment period to a new system, and on the back end, the season ending injury. Still, I liked the move, and the grade might be a half a letter grade higher if Thomas remained healthy, and was open to a redo on his final contract year.

GRADE C MOVES
C
Signed OL Senio Kelemete to a three-year, $12 million ($5 million guaranteed) deal
Signed OL Zach Fulton to a four-year, $28 million ($13 million guaranteed) deal

I’ll group these two together, since they were signed within like a day of each other, and were the starters for most of the season. Both were just OK, both dealt with injuries, and both are up for replacement if the Texans find a suitable upgrade.

C
Signed UDFA WR Vyncint Smith

Aside from having the most frequently "corrected by autocorrect to something else" name on the team, Smith had one big play in his rookie year — the go ahead touchdown late in the loss to the Eagles. The team clearly sees something in him, as they kept him on the 53-man roster all season, largely inactive until the depth chart got ravaged by injuries.

C-
Re-signed RB Alfred Blue to a 1 year, $880,000 deal

Alfred Blue will never die. He will be averaging 3.2 yards a carry for an old folks home someday.

GRADE D MOVES
D+
Signed street free agent CB Shareece Wright in Week 2

Solid tackler, who got routinely burned on slant-and-go routes once the Texans started playing average to above average quarterbacks.

D
Drafted OL Martinas Rankin in 3rd round

The biggest disappointment of the drafted rookies, although I’m not sure he was really put in a great position to succeed. He’s probably more built to be a guard, but once the injuries hit the tackle position, he was out there as a left tackle, then benched a few games in. Jury is still out, but it was an inauspicious first season, for sure.

GRADE F MOVES
F
Signed CB Aaron Colvin to a four-year, $34 million ($18 million guaranteed) deal

The talk before the season on Colvin was some subdued excitement that he could be a versatile piece of the secondary, playing either inside (his strength) or outside (unknown). As it turned out, he could only play inside, and he didn’t even do that very well. Injuries played a role, as he hurt his ankle in Week 4 against Indianapolis, but it was an abysmal season for Colvin. He’ll be back in 2019, largely because it would cost more on the cap to cut him than keep him.

INCOMPLETE DUE TO INJURY
Draft CB Jermaine Kelly in 7th round

Enthusiastic rookie was injured during training camp, and played on injured reserve before the start of the 2018 season. Opportunity will be there to make an impact in 2019, with the CB position set for some churn.

Signed OL Seantrel Henderson to a 1 year, $4 million ($1 million guaranteed) deal
Henderson sustained a broken ankle in the first half of the season opener in New England, which set in motion all kinds of movement at the tackle position. Henderson re-signed last week with the Texans on a one-year deal.

Signed street free agent CB Kayvon Webster late in the preseason
Webster was coming off an Achilles tear with the Rams in 2017. He hurt his quad two plays into his Texans career, went on injured reserve, then came back late in the season, and re-injured himself a few plays into his comeback. About as short and undistinguished a Texans career as you’ll find.
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
I look forward to this next draft.
Gaine did a terrific job in the last one.
I especially liked the Reid pick but there are two others developing for us right now who both had some buzz before the draft - Peter Kalambayi and Duke Ejiofor.
Gaine snagged both of them.
Good job.
 

Mangler

Toro de España
Is Mr. Gaine going to continue as GM?
How long, who really knows? But I’m assuming they let him finish out his contract. The man’s first draft was pretty damn good, let’s see what he can do with a full set of picks. I can see him making another lateral move if there is some internal turmoil though.
 

maverick512000

Hall of Fame
How long, who really knows? But I’m assuming they let him finish out his contract. The man’s first draft was pretty damn good, let’s see what he can do with a full set of picks. I can see him making another lateral move if there is some internal turmoil though.
I more see them replacing BoB if there is inner turmoil again between the GM and HC. Assuming SteelB's theory is correct, and I'm not sure it is but for the sake of arguement, then McNair picked BoB over Smith. Ok fair enough, Smith had been there the longer of the two so an arguement could be made that his vision wasn't working and if there was a clash I can see them going with the newer vision.

However, if that happens again then the reverse will be true and BoB will have been there the longest without his vision coming true or at least making strides towards it. If these boards are to be believed then Gaine is BoBs chosen GM, if it still doesn't work and comes down to a choice between them I see BoB being gone and them letting Gaine pick his new HC. Now whether that happens next year, the year after or even at all I don't know.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Certainly not trying to be in TK's head, but it appears that he is attempting to say that there is no need give mention to the idea that the Texans made a choice of Smith over O'Brien when considering the unfortunate outcome.
That too. In that regard he'd be correct. All the conjecture has been definitively proven false. Smith left for a traumatic time. Got to spend her last few months with her. Glad they got to do so on a life cut short.
 

maverick512000

Hall of Fame
Certainly not trying to be in TK's head, but it appears that he is attempting to say that there is no need give mention to the idea that the Texans made a choice of Smith over O'Brien when considering the unfortunate outcome.
That too. In that regard he'd be correct. All the conjecture has been definitively proven false. Smith left for a traumatic time. Got to spend her last few months with her. Glad they got to do so on a life cut short.
Well first let me say I'm one of the few on here that has defended Smith and think he got a raw deal. That being said Smith himself said in an interview that he and BoB had different visions and that he had gone to McNair with his vision. Now I agree, and have said, that his wife's cancer took the decision out of McNair's hand but that doesn't change the fact that there was going to have to be a decision.

Smith and BoB were not going to be able to coexist for much longer and no I can't say 100% that McNair would have chosen Smith over BoB. In fact I can see how he would have thought that since Smith had been here longer and BoB did deliver two division titles by that point why he might have gone with BoB over Smith. That wasn't even the point of the post to begin with. It was that I don't think they would choose BoB over Gaine if it came down to him vs another GM.
 

thunderkyss

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Assuming SteelB's theory is correct, and I'm not sure it is but for the sake of arguement, then McNair picked BoB over Smith.
I think it's clear his theory was not correct. McNair did not pick BO'b over Rick. Didn't happen.

Smith himself said in an interview that he and BoB had different visions and that he had gone to McNair with his vision.

Smith and BoB were not going to be able to coexist for much longer and no I can't say 100% that McNair would have chosen Smith over BoB.
Who knows? I would think Bob would have gone with whosever vision aligned more with his.

In fact I can see how he would have thought that since Smith had been here longer and BoB did deliver two division titles by that point why he might have gone with BoB over Smith.
Rick won 4. The two BO'b won led to two of our most embarrassing home losses in our short playoff history.

That wasn't even the point of the post to begin with. It was that I don't think they would choose BoB over Gaine if it came down to him vs another GM.
Then let's just say that. We don't need to pile on steelbtexan's hate & tarnish a good thing Ricky did by choosing family over a pissing match.
 

steelbtexan

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I think it's clear his theory was not correct. McNair did not pick BO'b over Rick. Didn't happen.



Who knows? I would think Bob would have gone with whosever vision aligned more with his.



Rick won 4. The two BO'b won led to two of our most embarrassing home losses in our short playoff history.



Then let's just say that. We don't need to pile on steelbtexan's hate & tarnish a good thing Ricky did by choosing family over a pissing match.
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powda

The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
The lets sign a bunch of cheap backups plan went as expected. Can we now say it didn't work for all of you lets give them a chance posters?
If dav is our starting left tackle we're proper phucked.

I do want to see more of senio k. Jury is still out I think. Fulton is serviceable. Martin needs this year to prove he isn't a jag.
 

Mangler

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The lets sign a bunch of cheap backups plan went as expected. Can we now say it didn't work for all of you lets give them a chance posters?
There’s not much he could do about the o-line last year. The guy everyone here wanted was pursued but he decided to go somewhere else. That’s not on Gaine, and it was a blessing in disguise anyway. Gaine did a hell of a job on the draft though. I say he earned his right to a fair shake. Rick Smith had what, a decade with a leash that was about a mile long?
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
I wouldn't completely agree with this....I think he has set the table for bridgers and quality back-ups going forward.
He made some great picks with the meager resources in last years draft. I am still hopeful Martinas Rankin can take a step up this season and at least be a solid backup.
I don't really want to see any trading up with our first 4 picks as I think he can score some great talent to replenish our ranks and if he is as savvy as last draft, that bodes well for that.
 

IDEXAN

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He made some great picks with the meager resources in last years draft. I am still hopeful Martinas Rankin can take a step up this season and at least be a solid backup.
I don't really want to see any trading up with our first 4 picks as I think he can score some great talent to replenish our ranks and if he is as savvy as last draft, that bodes well for that.
NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport made it clear this week the New Orleans Saints were a candidate to move up in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Ultimately, Mr. RapSheet was correct.

The Saints on Thursday night swung a trade with the Packers -- rising from No. 27 to No. 14 overall -- to grab edge rusher Marcus Davenport. To complete the deal, New Orleans agreed to give up this year's fifth-rounder (No. 147) and next year's first-round selection.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000929031/article/saints-trade-up-to-no-14-to-draft-marcus-davenport
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I remember watching Marcus Davenport, relative unknown from the University of Texas-San Antonio, at last years Senior Bowl and he was really impressive so the Saints made a big move cause they felt a strong need for an edge rusher of his caliber.
I think the Texans need a bonafide OLT even more than the Saints needed Marcus Davenport to rush QBs.
I don't see Brian Gaine making such a bold and risky move for say a Andre Dillard even if he's crazy about Dillard, but you know that's what makes the Drafts entertaining and downright exciting somtimes. And also getting the right players at the key positions sometimes can make want-to-bes into real contenders.
Not a prediction here just suggesting a possibility given how important it is for the Texans to prevent their franchise QB from going thru another year like 2018.
 

Texansphan

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NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport made it clear this week the New Orleans Saints were a candidate to move up in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Ultimately, Mr. RapSheet was correct.

The Saints on Thursday night swung a trade with the Packers -- rising from No. 27 to No. 14 overall -- to grab edge rusher Marcus Davenport. To complete the deal, New Orleans agreed to give up this year's fifth-rounder (No. 147) and next year's first-round selection.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000929031/article/saints-trade-up-to-no-14-to-draft-marcus-davenport
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I remember watching Marcus Davenport, relative unknown from the University of Texas-San Antonio, at last years Senior Bowl and he was really impressive so the Saints made a big move cause they felt a strong need for an edge rusher of his caliber.
I think the Texans need a bonafide OLT even more than the Saints needed Marcus Davenport to rush QBs.
I don't see Brian Gaine making such a bold and risky move for say a Andre Dillard even if he's crazy about Dillard, but you know that's what makes the Drafts entertaining and downright exciting somtimes. And also getting the right players at the key positions sometimes can make want-to-bes into real contenders.
Not a prediction here just suggesting a possibility given how important it is for the Texans to prevent their franchise QB from going thru another year like 2018.
I think it was an embarrassment to Texans leadership that such a promising young QB was subjected to such abuse and it is simply untenable. They definitely do not want another David Carr situation on their history books.
They have 4 picks inside the top 90 picks this season so there really is no excuse and with Gaine pulling strings again this season I am looking forward to it with great interest although with the talent in this OL class I really don't see the need to move up. Texans need a good infusion of new young talent.
 
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Shishkabob

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I think it was an embarrassment to Texans leadership that such a promising young QB was subjected to such abuse and it is simply untenable. They definitely do not want another David Carr situation on their history books.
They have 4 picks inside the top 90 picks this season so there really is no excuse and with Gaine pulling strings again this season I am looking forward to it with great interest although with the talent in this OL class I really don't see the need to move up. Texans need a good infusion of new young talent.
I don't think you will ever see a fan base as excited to see a first round OL taken, then if the Texans grab one this year
 

Texansphan

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I don't think you will ever see a fan base as excited to see a first round OL taken, then if the Texans grab one this year
Agreed.
I have seen one national pundit predict 5 OL in the first round which is entirely possible.
With the depth of DL in this one there are going to be some opportunities for trade ups in the 2nd - not saying we will be one of them but another good OL might be there for the picking for us.
 

steelbtexan

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PatDStat has been pushing this as well, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
Shows although PatDStat covers the Texans, he doesn't know what he's looking at. Hopefully Gaine/BOB can see better than Pat. If not they all should be fired.

In no shape or form should Davenport ever be the starting LT for the Texans ever again.
 

ObsiWan

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Roll with Davenport at LT? Is this guy high?
I took it as you might as well keep Davenport and find someone in the draft that will push (or replace) him.
Dude didn't seem to be very high on this year's LT F/A class; T.Brown has slow feet (not what you want in a LT) and the other potentially available guys are pretty much JAGs.

I like the idea of cutting Kevin Johnson and giving AZ a call to see if they'll trade Peterson to us. And, he's right, Griffin needs to go.

I wouldn't trade Mercilus as he mentioned because I can't think of a better replacement if Clowney does go down this year.


 

JB

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I took it as you might as well keep Davenport and find someone in the draft that will push (or replace) him.
Dude didn't seem to be very high on this year's LT F/A class; T.Brown has slow feet (not what you want in a LT) and the other potentially available guys are pretty much JAGs.

I like the idea of cutting Kevin Johnson and giving AZ a call to see if they'll trade Peterson to us. And, he's right, Griffin needs to go.

I wouldn't trade Mercilus as he mentioned because I can't think of a better replacement if Clowney does go down this year.

I think Mercilus is fine If he is used as a rusher (WLB) and not a overage guy
 

PHILLYTEXANFAN

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Shows although PatDStat covers the Texans, he doesn't know what he's looking at. Hopefully Gaine/BOB can see better than Pat. If not they all should be fired.

In no shape or form should Davenport ever be the starting LT for the Texans ever again.
Dav wasn’t that bad when OB wasn’t bouncing him to different spots on the OL imho. At some point the OL needs continuity to get better.
 

steelbtexan

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Dav wasn’t that bad when OB wasn’t bouncing him to different spots on the OL imho. At some point the OL needs continuity to get better.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

For instance Davenport stats don't look bad in the Tacks game at NEG, but when you watch the game Davenport's guy was consistently getting pressure.
 
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