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IDEXAN said:
Jalen Ramsey is only 24 and and he is arguably the most talented and valuable D-back in the entire NFL.
Yes I would make that deal but don' think it's rich enough for the Jags and as SteelB points out in this thread they'd be very reluctant to move such an elite talent in
an intradivisional trade.
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We need GM work some magic. I don't advocate trading future picks but for Ramsey, I would. Is he worth a Mack type offer..no but to have his rookie deal two more seasons--sweet! Late round pick for CB to train behind and take over from Joseph 2020.
 
badboy said:
We need GM work some magic. I don't advocate trading future picks but for Ramsey, I would. Is he worth a Mack type offer..no but to have his rookie deal two more seasons--sweet! Late round pick for CB to train behind and take over from Joseph 2020.
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You gotta come up with another FF trade that's better than this one.
 
Shishkabob said:
Mack also had to get paid right away, Ramsey still has 2 years of cheap team control
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exactly why we pay to get him. I am working up a lucrative offer to get Ramsey with mix of picks and players that benefit both teams and lowers cap for both teams and give Jags good players- some starters.
 
NE has history of not paying huge dollars to some players allowing then to move on and then PATs find replacements as they did with Nate Solder trading a 3rd for Trent Brown 6'8" 380(I've heard he played at about 350) a right tackle who replaced Solder. He turns 26 April 13th and regular season PFF 70 percent.

On November 29, 2015 Marcus Cannon was extended 5 years at right tackle and is signed thru 2021 at an avg of about $7 m so he probably isn't leaving.

To add to the stew, Isaiah Wynn was drafted 2018 at #23 he's 6'2 6/8" 313 hands 8 1/2" with arms 33 3/8" but wing of 77 7/8" combine and had a great senior bowl before tearing left shoulder and doing no testing or drills. Then in preseason game he tore Achilles and missed all season. He wasn't drafted to sit.

2018 RG Shaq Mason PFF was 86.2 and he's 25. Joe Thuney LG was 73.3 and he's 26.

I'm interested in doing a Jeremy Linn heavily front loaded deal; a huge offer with large guarantee Texans can afford but maybe not other teams. PATs have only $18 million.
 
Texans estimated cap space includes $19 m roll over from 2018 but not draft pool. I'm am showing players I would like to get and of course what I'd be willing to see paid and lower actual future costs could adjust next few weeks to months of free agency. Amounts are for 2019 cap costs only not bases or bonuses or guarantees although I have.

$67 million + $9 m (K.Johnson)= 76 - 20 LT Trent Brown = 56 - 18 Clowney = 38 - 5 Covington = 33 - 2 D. Carter = 31 - 2 Dunn = 29 -4 Faribairn = 25 - 15 RT Juwuan James = 10 + $10 [rework D Thomas similar to 2018 as I don't expect him back until late season if that] = $20 - 12 Le'Veon Bell = $8 million for other players.

*Note additional space can be added by cut/trade (per Troy Chapman) Colvin (pre June dead $3 m), Mercilus (seemingly no spot left this defense) and Lamar Miller (approx $6 million Per OTC).
 
continued thought: Ryan Griffin $2.7 + Bademosi $2.75 +Kekemete 2.5= $7.95 m for draft pool. Miller $ 6.2 and $8 m left over above =$14.2 ish should be in ball park for KJack {2019 $4 m} and Mathieu {$10m}. I don't want to pay either much more as CBs and safeties can be had. Love Badger but Hal and Justin Reid are cheap starters.
 
badboy said:
Texans estimated cap space includes $19 m roll over from 2018 but not draft pool. I'm am showing players I would like to get and of course what I'd be willing to see paid and lower actual future costs could adjust next few weeks to months of free agency. Amounts are for 2019 cap costs only not bases or bonuses or guarantees although I have.

$67 million + $9 m (K.Johnson)= 76 - 20 LT Trent Brown = 56 - 18 Clowney = 38 - 5 Covington = 33 - 2 D. Carter = 31 - 2 Dunn = 29 -4 Faribairn = 25 - 15 RT Juwuan James = 10 + $10 [rework D Thomas similar to 2018 as I don't expect him back until late season if that] = $20 - 12 Le'Veon Bell = $8 million for other players.

*Note additional space can be added by cut/trade (per Troy Chapman) Colvin (pre June dead $3 m), Mercilus (seemingly no spot left this defense) and Lamar Miller (approx $6 million Per OTC).
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continued thought: Ryan Griffin $2.7 + Bademosi $2.75 +Kekemete 2.5= $7.95 m for draft pool. Miller $ 6.2 and $8 m left over above =$14.2 ish should be in ball park for KJack {2019 $4 m} and Mathieu {$10m}. I don't want to pay either much more as CBs and safeties can be had. Love Badger but Hal and Justin Reid are cheap starters.
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Shouldn't this go in the "Ideal Off Season" thread since this is all fantasy football? :kitten:

In all seriousness this sounds great except for one little sticking point, it requires the players to agree to it and for no other teams to offer better deals.
 
maverick512000 said:
Shouldn't this go in the "Ideal Off Season" thread since this is all fantasy football? :kitten:

In all seriousness this sounds great except for one little sticking point, it requires the players to agree to it and for no other teams to offer better deals.
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1st I think I started my thread before that one. 2. I don't think it's fantasy. Numbers I posted are reasonable, compare favorably if not better than similar. I can offer a logical reasoning even for Texans to offer and player to accept. All you did was say fantasy football not why amounts not doable. 3. Offer must be accepted? Really? You are saying that like you're first. Any offer to any FA has to be accepted; same with draft pick as player can sit out or force trade. We've seen that. 4. Other teams I've tried to offer scenarios such as NE not re-signing Brown. A $20 m cap + 90m contract $52 guaranteed is playing with big boys. Now you say why not , just don't say fantasy. Bring your point(s) if you have.
 
badboy said:
1st I think I started my thread before that one. 2. I don't think it's fantasy. Numbers I posted are reasonable, compare favorably if not better than similar. I can offer a logical reasoning even for Texans to offer and player to accept. All you did was say fantasy football not why amounts not doable. 3. Offer must be accepted? Really? You are saying that like you're first. Any offer to any FA has to be accepted; same with draft pick as player can sit out or force trade. We've seen that. 4. Other teams I've tried to offer scenarios such as NE not re-signing Brown. A $20 m cap + 90m contract $52 guaranteed is playing with big boys. Now you say why not , just don't say fantasy. Bring your point(s) if you have.
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1. You are taking it way to personal. Did you not see the kitty?

2. So you started the thread first, doesn't matter it's still your ideal off season and reading your first post again you actually didn't list any numbers other than their stats and what their cap hit is. In fact I scrolled through the whole thread until after Dec. 10, when the Ideal off season thread was started, and didn't find one post about what we should offer. Just posts saying we can't let X walk or we need to go after Y. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

3. Never said it wasn't doable and never said it wasn't reasonable, I said it requires both parties to agree.

4. No I'm not saying it like I'm the first nor did I think that but just because it has been said before doesn't mean it doesn't apply now. Also you really are going to talk about someone repeating something? Around here? How many posts do we have that basically amount to "Its BoB fault" in pretty much every damn thread. Repeating ourselves or someone else and beating dead horses till even buzzards won't touch them is par for the course here.

5. I told you my point but since you seemed to have missed it I'll expand. In order for your numbers to work not only do the players have to be on board but other NFL teams do as well. All it takes is one agent saying "you can do better" one player saying "I'm worth more" or one team overvaluing and the house of cards comes down.

6. Just to be clear I'm not saying your numbers are wrong or that they don't make sense, but your post comes across as though this is what the Texans should do and I'm saying it's not that easy.
 
maverick512000 said:
1. You are taking it way to personal. Did you not see the kitty?

2. So you started the thread first, doesn't matter it's still your ideal off season and reading your first post again you actually didn't list any numbers other than their stats and what their cap hit is. In fact I scrolled through the whole thread until after Dec. 10, when the Ideal off season thread was started, and didn't find one post about what we should offer. Just posts saying we can't let X walk or we need to go after Y. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

3. Never said it wasn't doable and never said it wasn't reasonable, I said it requires both parties to agree.

4. No I'm not saying it like I'm the first nor did I think that but just because it has been said before doesn't mean it doesn't apply now. Also you really are going to talk about someone repeating something? Around here? How many posts do we have that basically amount to "Its BoB fault" in pretty much every damn thread. Repeating ourselves or someone else and beating dead horses till even buzzards won't touch them is par for the course here.

5. I told you my point but since you seemed to have missed it I'll expand. In order for your numbers to work not only do the players have to be on board but other NFL teams do as well. All it takes is one agent saying "you can do better" one player saying "I'm worth more" or one team overvaluing and the house of cards comes down.

6. Just to be clear I'm not saying your numbers are wrong or that they don't make sense, but your post comes across as though this is what the Texans should do and I'm saying it's not that easy.
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Perhaps I do take it personally. I spend lots of hours and then someone makes comment that seems to me to blow it off. I can take criticism but it needs to come with some explanation as to why it's fantasy (using your post as example).
Point 2: post 215 "Amounts are for 2019 cap costs only not bases or bonuses or guarantees although I have."
My post was to show we have cap space 2019 to make those signings at those dollars and I have offer example to post.
Point 3 I guess you can say water is wet and Point 4 well I will try to not add to repetitiveness, if you will. lol I used the beating horse imogee with Steel in this thread.
Point 5 and I will also clarify, the message I hope to present is we have the dollars to do each and all of these. All should realize that any player can say no as did Solder but I and others want to see Texans be aggressive this off season and spend. You may not have meant one player saying no brings down "house of cards" as in all my suggestions but each is self contained and does not depend on any other player, trade, etc.

Just curious, if just two of those I listed could be done which would you want? Exclude Clowney if you want as his probably will be one year tag.
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought Foles was going to be UFA after voiding his contract
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It's bit more complicated...Foles had option to void his last year($20) by paying Eagles two million making him UFA but if he did (and he did), Philly then could tag him at $25 m. More importantly, Eagles could then trade him getting something in return plus avoiding him signing with team Eagles don't want him to. A third round pick has been mentioned. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/02/06/nick-foles-voids-opt
 
Following offers if made and agreed to would be within similar players recent contracts with adjustments by me for age, history of injuries, etc.

Trent Brown Six years $90 million with $52 m guaranteed of which $20 is signing bonus prorated over five.
2019: 26 YOA $16 base +4 = $20 cap
2020 27 YOA $16 base +4 = $20 cap ends $32 guarantee + signing $20 = $52 m and can be cut/traded with dead
2021 28 YOA $ 8 base +4 = $12 cap
2022 29 YOA $10 base +4 = $14 cap
2023 30 YOA $10 base +4 = $14 cap and end of prorated signing bonus guarantee.

*allows for a second contract beneficial to both sides.
 
Above I allowed $20 m for 2019 cap to sign Juwuan James but following is deal he should agree to. Note length and total same as Brown's but less guarantee and cap costs.

Six years $90 m with $31 guaranteed (older and injury) $20 million signing prorated over five seasons.

2019: 27 YOA $11 m base + 4 = 15 cap end of guarantee if needed cut or traded
2020: 28 YOA $11 m base + 4 = 15 cap
2021: 29 YOA $ 9 m base + 4 = 13 cap
2022: 30 YOA $ 9 m base + 4 = 13 cap
2023: 31 YOA $ 9 m base + 4 = 13 cap and end to pro rated bonus
2024: 32 YOA $ 21 m but not guaranteed so can be reworked or cut
 
badboy said:
Perhaps I do take it personally. I spend lots of hours and then someone makes comment that seems to me to blow it off. I can take criticism but it needs to come with some explanation as to why it's fantasy (using your post as example).
Point 2: post 215 "Amounts are for 2019 cap costs only not bases or bonuses or guarantees although I have."
My post was to show we have cap space 2019 to make those signings at those dollars and I have offer example to post.
Point 3 I guess you can say water is wet and Point 4 well I will try to not add to repetitiveness, if you will. lol I used the beating horse imogee with Steel in this thread.
Point 5 and I will also clarify, the message I hope to present is we have the dollars to do each and all of these. All should realize that any player can say no as did Solder but I and others want to see Texans be aggressive this off season and spend. You may not have meant one player saying no brings down "house of cards" as in all my suggestions but each is self contained and does not depend on any other player, trade, etc.

Just curious, if just two of those I listed could be done which would you want? Exclude Clowney if you want as his probably will be one year tag.
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Well first post #215 was created after the "Ideal off season" thread was created which was my point. It doesn't matter and I really don't care, I mean good God have many times do threads get derailed around here, and it was meant to be tongue in cheek. Hence the kitty..............also I just like the kitty emoji. :kitten::clown:

I agree with not adding to the repetitiveness, though sometimes it is difficult, but to many on here post their draft plan or F/A plan as though it is what the Texans should do and they are stupid for not doing it. I'm not saying you are or have done that, to be honest I haven't done that deeply into you post history to know.

I will admit I made a mistake in presenting it like one player messes up all the possible trades. I should have been more clear that one person or group not playing ball messes up each trade or "house of cards". For example we tag Clowney but his agent says "Don't sign because we can get more because I know that team X just wants to know how many zeros to add and they don't care how long they have to wait." or Brown's agent says that he has a good deal line up but Brown says "Nope I'll take less money to keep getting those rings here in NE." It happened with Brady.

To answer your question if I can ONLY pick two I would get Bell and Mathieu. I would love Brown and think he would be great......on paper. The fact is that players that that look like stars in NE go to other teams and don't look near as good. I would say that is just down to BB being the better coach but its happened to other teams as well. It could still be BB is just that much better than everyone else but the fact is I hesitant to take anyone from NE, not named Brady, no matter how good they looked because something about that place just makes players and coaches look good.

Bell has had a year off now and while that can be a bad thing I choose to see it as more of a positive. He's had a year to rest and if he came into our system he's had a year to forget the Steelers system so there isn't any culture shock for lack of a better term. Plus since BoB seemed obsessed with running up the middle lets get a RB that maybe can make that work since Miller doesn't seem the type that can. Basically if you can't beat'em, join'em. Also I think he will have something to prove and a chip on his shoulder because everyone is saying his replacement was just as good and Steelers didn't lose a step

For Honey Badger, again I love players that have chips on their shoulders and feel like they have something to prove. Its why I wouldn't trade Watson for even Mahomes right now, Watson felt he was the best QB in that draft but he got taken third. Same with Brady taken in the 6th round. Everyone thought Mathieu was done and that the Texans were taking a big risk signing him to even a one year deal. The only one betting on him, not counting the random fans since I know someone will say "I believed in him", was himself. He had something to prove and I think still does. Plus now he has been in the system for a year so I think he'll only get better.
 
badboy said:
Perhaps I do take it personally. I spend lots of hours and then someone makes comment that seems to me to blow it off. I can take criticism but it needs to come with some explanation as to why it's fantasy (using your post as example).
Point 2: post 215 "Amounts are for 2019 cap costs only not bases or bonuses or guarantees although I have."
My post was to show we have cap space 2019 to make those signings at those dollars and I have offer example to post.
Point 3 I guess you can say water is wet and Point 4 well I will try to not add to repetitiveness, if you will. lol I used the beating horse imogee with Steel in this thread.
Point 5 and I will also clarify, the message I hope to present is we have the dollars to do each and all of these. All should realize that any player can say no as did Solder but I and others want to see Texans be aggressive this off season and spend. You may not have meant one player saying no brings down "house of cards" as in all my suggestions but each is self contained and does not depend on any other player, trade, etc.

Just curious, if just two of those I listed could be done which would you want? Exclude Clowney if you want as his probably will be one year tag.
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My feelings aren't hurt Steve.

LOL
 
badboy said:
Above I allowed $20 m for 2019 cap to sign Juwuan James but following is deal he should agree to. Note length and total same as Brown's but less guarantee and cap costs.

Six years $90 m with $31 guaranteed (older and injury) $20 million signing prorated over five seasons.

2019: 27 YOA $11 m base + 4 = 15 cap end of guarantee if needed cut or traded
2020: 28 YOA $11 m base + 4 = 15 cap
2021: 29 YOA $ 9 m base + 4 = 13 cap
2022: 30 YOA $ 9 m base + 4 = 13 cap
2023: 31 YOA $ 9 m base + 4 = 13 cap and end to pro rated bonus
2024: 32 YOA $ 21 m but not guaranteed so can be reworked or cut
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  • Nate Solder signed a 4 year, $62,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including a $16,000,000 signing bonus, $34,800,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,500,000. In 2019, Solder will earn a base salary of $12,900,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $17,000,000 and a dead cap value of $24,900,000.


    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/nate-solder-7732/

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  • Soldier's deal was slightly richer on the guaranteed money with a contact term of only 4 years vs 6 on your hypothetical deal but still I'd say you are in the ballpark.

  • Anyway the question remains outstanding: what will it take to sign Trent Brown ?

 
Demaryious Thomas cut so full $14 added rather than ten I predicted but he could return as health improves. He is 31 but recovered in six months from a prior achilles as I understand.
 
badboy said:
Very interesting article from Anthony Wood of texanswire.usatoday..com Jalen Ramsey being "wooed" by Hopkins. We've seen type stuff before but this was intriguing. Ramsey 24 YOA in his 4th season with Jags is considered a premiere corner and 6'1 209. He and Hopkins have been tweeting along with Watson each others praises. Ramsey's comments directed at other NFL players are well known. Per OTC.com 2019 Jags $1.5m in negative cap Updating Broncos-Ravens trade for vet QB Flacco … Just a quick update on that trade in which Denver has reportedly agreed to a trade in principle with Baltimore to acquire veteran QB Joe Flacco. Sources are reporting that the compensation will be a 4th round draft pick; however, the Broncos actually have two 4th rounders – their own, plus Houston’s acquired in last years’s deal involving WR Demaryius Thomas – and it is still to be determined which of the two the Ravens will receive. with only $16.5 m in 2020. Of course if Bortles is gone as many are suggesting, it will clear only $5 m June 1st and the $18 m in 2020 would seem to pay for Ramsey but---

Texans have cap but what costs would it take? Lamar Miller is mentioned as a possible trade component clearing $7 m. Talk is that Jags may be trading Fournette for NicK Foles ($21m cap?). TJ Yeldon is UFA and not productive & been part of a weird rotation with Carlos Hyde also non productive and maybe gone as a $4.7 m savings. Would Miller and our #23 get Ramsey? I say no but Jacksonville may need to move him. Would both teams do that? This would also allow KJack to leave.
Seems unlikely but possible. Jags need to change a lot but other cap can be found by cutting guys like RT Parnell & safety Barry Church. Thoughts?
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/28/texans-deandre-hopkins-recruiting-jaguars-jalen-ramsey/
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Updating Broncos-Ravens trade for vet QB Flacco … Just a quick update on that trade in which Denver has reportedly agreed to a trade in principle with Baltimore to acquire veteran QB Joe Flacco. Sources are reporting that the compensation will be a 4th round draft pick; however, the Broncos actually have two 4th rounders – their own, plus Houston’s acquired in last years’s deal involving WR Demaryius Thomas – and it is still to be determined which of the two the Ravens will receive.
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https://gbnreport.com/
 
badboy said:
Demaryious Thomas cut so full $14 added rather than ten I predicted but he could return as health improves. He is 31 but recovered in six months from a prior achilles as I understand.
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Thomas has to decide first whether he actually wants to keep playing. Sure he says he does now but as he's working on healing up and getting back to where he was he could at just about any point in that process decide to retire if the rehab isn't where it needs to be. Finally if he does end up being able to come back he has to get through his head that teams will see him differently than he sees himself. Not many players can become an old guy WR in the NFL. It's just uncommon so he needs to show the world that he can do that before anybody is going to offer him good money.

If I was Thomas I'd look at a prove-it deal in Houston before I tried to catch on anywhere else. joining the team mid-season last year with Fuller gone was awkward but give him a camp and put him on the field with Fuller and Hopkins and I bet he could put together a season that could draw out some offers.

Presuming he could get around all those other "If's" first.
 
maverick512000 said:
I just don't see the Jags making an in division trade. I get they need the cap space but I think they might be willing to take less in trade from another team, assuming they do trade him, just to insure they don't have to play a team with him on the other side multiple times a year.
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It makes ZERO since for the Jags to trade Ramsey this year. If any of their corners are going it would be Bouye. Trading Ramsey only gives them a cap relief of $3.5ish Mil while Bouye would provide around $9 mil. Ramsey is the better player, it doesn't make sense to move him and get 1/3 the cap relief as it would moving the other guy. AND NO WAY IN HELL ARE THE JAGUARS EVER GOING TO TRADE RAMSEY TO THE TEXANS.... unless we offer them Deshaun....
 
Hervoyel said:
Thomas has to decide first whether he actually wants to keep playing. Sure he says he does now but as he's working on healing up and getting back to where he was he could at just about any point in that process decide to retire if the rehab isn't where it needs to be. Finally if he does end up being able to come back he has to get through his head that teams will see him differently than he sees himself. Not many players can become an old guy WR in the NFL. It's just uncommon so he needs to show the world that he can do that before anybody is going to offer him good money.

If I was Thomas I'd look at a prove-it deal in Houston before I tried to catch on anywhere else. joining the team mid-season last year with Fuller gone was awkward but give him a camp and put him on the field with Fuller and Hopkins and I bet he could put together a season that could draw out some offers.

Presuming he could get around all those other "If's" first.
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He should just wait, and return around mid season to a team for a playoff push. No need to rush to sign anywhere, if anyone would even sign him so soon, he won't be 100% by TC just rest and rehab and workout. A team gearing up for a playoff push will need a savvy veteran receiver.
 
Hervoyel said:
Thomas has to decide first whether he actually wants to keep playing. Sure he says he does now but as he's working on healing up and getting back to where he was he could at just about any point in that process decide to retire if the rehab isn't where it needs to be. Finally if he does end up being able to come back he has to get through his head that teams will see him differently than he sees himself. Not many players can become an old guy WR in the NFL. It's just uncommon so he needs to show the world that he can do that before anybody is going to offer him good money.

If I was Thomas I'd look at a prove-it deal in Houston before I tried to catch on anywhere else. joining the team mid-season last year with Fuller gone was awkward but give him a camp and put him on the field with Fuller and Hopkins and I bet he could put together a season that could draw out some offers.

Presuming he could get around all those other "If's" first.
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Not giving my opinion on whether he will return if healthy or not, just responding to you. He just turned 31 Christmas and while he might return this season let's say he doesn't but is healthy for 2020. He will have time off from rigor of football but may lose little physically; same with Bell missing this past season although with no injury. Thomas prove it year was 2018, not to get $14 m but to earn an NFL roster spot. His stats were good but more important he proved to be a vet presence on field offering a large target for #4. A healthy return and Texans have $ to bring him back and I doubt he could find better team to play for to maximize his skills.
 
Shishkabob said:
It makes ZERO since for the Jags to trade Ramsey this year. If any of their corners are going it would be Bouye. Trading Ramsey only gives them a cap relief of $3.5ish Mil while Bouye would provide around $9 mil. Ramsey is the better player, it doesn't make sense to move him and get 1/3 the cap relief as it would moving the other guy. AND NO WAY IN HELL ARE THE JAGUARS EVER GOING TO TRADE RAMSEY TO THE TEXANS.... unless we offer them Deshaun....
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Correct on cap savings but overlooking huge part called what assets a trade could bring.
 
badboy said:
Not giving my opinion on whether he will return if healthy or not, just responding to you. He just turned 31 Christmas and while he might return this season let's say he doesn't but is healthy for 2020. He will have time off from rigor of football but may lose little physically; same with Bell missing this past season although with no injury. Thomas prove it year was 2018, not to get $14 m but to earn an NFL roster spot. His stats were good but more important he proved to be a vet presence on field offering a large target for #4. A healthy return and Texans have $ to bring him back and I doubt he could find better team to play for to maximize his skills.
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Great post....and yes, I'm also a fan D Thomas. Let him heal up in 19 and since he's already mentioned he'd like to play on the Texans, sign him to a reasonable 2 year deal for the 2020 season.
 
IDEXAN said:
  • Nate Solder signed a 4 year, $62,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including a $16,000,000 signing bonus, $34,800,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,500,000. In 2019, Solder will earn a base salary of $12,900,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $17,000,000 and a dead cap value of $24,900,000.


    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/nate-solder-7732/

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  • Soldier's deal was slightly richer on the guaranteed money with a contact term of only 4 years vs 6 on your hypothetical deal but still I'd say you are in the ballpark.

  • Anyway the question remains outstanding: what will it take to sign Trent Brown ?
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I'm hoping that Solder got all that money in an off season where vet tackles available were fewer. Trent Brown, Juwuan James and possibly Donovan Smith young very good players might keep market prices down when coupled with some OTs in draft. On flip side lower costs could add other teams into mix.
 
badboy said:
Honey Badger is UFA but has a child with step daughter of new DC Todd Bowles Tampa Bay. Is this relevant?
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Todd Bowles was the coach of the Jets for awhile and the kid is 4/5 years old..why would it start mattering this year?
 
Probably nothing to it but Raiders just recently saying open to trading first round picks. Usually teams clamoring about open to all offers early in off season but perhaps Mayock slowing rhetoric down. I thinking Clowney may become more interesting as other FAs get signed and combine ends. I have his value now as a late first + mid round second or late first + 3rd and a 4th; somewhere between what two reportedly interested suiters might offer in Raiders and the Pack. If he works up to Raiders 1.24 and 1.27 I grab that offer and run. Clowney resolves edge rusher & run defender and Raiders can trade down from # 4 still get a great WR perhaps first off board and still use extra picks from trade plus 2. 35 to get corner, etc.
 
badboy said:
Probably nothing to it but Raiders just recently saying open to trading first round picks. Usually teams clamoring about open to all offers early in off season but perhaps Mayock slowing rhetoric down. I thinking Clowney may become more interesting as other FAs get signed and combine ends. I have his value now as a late first + mid round second or late first + 3rd and a 4th; somewhere between what two reportedly interested suiters might offer in Raiders and the Pack. If he works up to Raiders 1.24 and 1.27 I grab that offer and run. Clowney resolves edge rusher & run defender and Raiders can trade down from # 4 still get a great WR perhaps first off board and still use extra picks from trade plus 2. 35 to get corner, etc.
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Even though the Raiders traded Mack last season.....they got a great haul for him. 2019 is a new season and maybe Gruden is ready to look at all options to find an OLB/EDGE player. The Raiders are sitting on both cap space and picks to be players. Mike Mayock was really high on Clowney and only questioned his work ethic. He did say it was up to Clowney if he had the desire to be the best NFL player. 2 Pro Bowls later and no problems in regards to his work ethic.....Gaine might have some leverage in working a deal with the Raiders.

Do I think the Raiders would part with 2- RD1 picks for Clowney? Probably not but I could see them offering maybe their RD1-24 (024) and RD2-03 (036) picks for Clowney. I think Clowney gets the long term deal he wants and the Raiders get a guy that should be an instant fit into Raider Nation. Texans could do some good with the extra RD1 and RD2 picks in the draft.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Even though the Raiders traded Mack last season.....they got a great haul for him. 2019 is a new season and maybe Gruden is ready to look at all options to find an OLB/EDGE player. The Raiders are sitting on both cap space and picks to be players. Mike Mayock was really high on Clowney and only questioned his work ethic. He did say it was up to Clowney if he had the desire to be the best NFL player. 2 Pro Bowls later and no problems in regards to his work ethic.....Gaine might have some leverage in working a deal with the Raiders.

Do I think the Raiders would part with 2- RD1 picks for Clowney? Probably not but I could see them offering maybe their RD1-24 (024) and RD2-03 (036) picks for Clowney. I think Clowney gets the long term deal he wants and the Raiders get a guy that should be an instant fit into Raider Nation. Texans could do some good with the extra RD1 and RD2 picks in the draft.
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Gruden is on record saying they aren't looking for established or older players in FA but diamonds in the rough.
 
If someone wants to give us a 1 and 2 for Clowney, take it. More good players on rookie deals means you can focus your FA money at your weaknesses and do BPA in draft. I dont fire sale him, nor do I think the Raiders do that deal. They seem to be building from the draft and if you are going to suck, why pay someone a lot of money. Fill them in when you are ready to blossom. I think the Raiders are a couple of years away from doing that
 
Rich Schmidt said:
If someone wants to give us a 1 and 2 for Clowney, take it. More good players on rookie deals means you can focus your FA money at your weaknesses and do BPA in draft. I dont fire sale him, nor do I think the Raiders do that deal. They seem to be building from the draft and if you are going to suck, why pay someone a lot of money. Fill them in when you are ready to blossom. I think the Raiders are a couple of years away from doing that
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Yeah the only way Texans part ways with Clowney is if someone offers a trade.
Otherwise they ain't letting him walk.
 
DocBar said:
I'd lump him in that conversation due to his injury history. That's just mho, though.
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He's a 26yr old 3- straight pro bowler coming off his rookie contract at a position of need. No better player to add if you can work a reasonable deal outside the draft. Not everyone has CnD to get info from.

Perhaps Clowney and a 2nd get 1-4?
 
JB said:
He's a 26yr old 3- straight pro bowler coming off his rookie contract at a position of need. No better player to add if you can work a reasonable deal outside the draft. Not everyone has CnD to get info from.

Perhaps Clowney and a 2nd get 1-4?
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I'd trade him in a heartbeat for that!!
 
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JB said:
If Clowney's agent (who is he btw?) doesn't get reasonable soon I'm sure they'll listen to offers, but they ain't shopping him then perhaps a sign and trade?
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He is arguably our second best defensive player and forces teams to do a lot of planning around the disruption he and Watt together bring.
Yeah, they could possibly score another good rusher in the draft but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and they have some cash.
 
Texansphan said:
He is arguably our second best defensive player and forces teams to do a lot of planning around the disruption he and Watt together bring.
Yeah, they could possibly score another good rusher in the draft but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and they have some cash.
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Yes but you mentioned a trade. Jut looking at possibilities and fantasy. Imagine the Texans being able to select anyone not named Bosa or trading down to recoup a higher 2 plus getting maybe Dillard and still having 1-23 to add another piece. Anything is possible in dreamland
 
JB said:
Yes but you mentioned a trade. Jut looking at possibilities and fantasy. Imagine the Texans being able to select anyone not named Bosa or trading down to recoup a higher 2 plus getting maybe Dillard and still having 1-23 to add another piece. Anything is possible in dreamland
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Having two firsts in this draft would be something. Which is why Raiders might want to hang on to theirs.
 
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