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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

JB said:
Being with Watt is probably the worst place for him to be to achieve that
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You may recall that Watt and not JD was the first one to jump offsides in that in that intial possession by the Colts which they took advantage of with the second chance, converted to a first down, then went on down the field to score a TD.
 
IDEXAN said:
You may recall that Watt and not JD was the first one to jump offsides in that in that intial possession by the Colts which they took advantage of with the second chance, converted to a first down, then went on down the field to score a TD.
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Yup JJ Watt was called offsides of 3rd and 7 on a player where they only got 5, which means they would have punted instead of scored. I'm surprised people don't remember that, yet keep bringing up a offsides in week 14 at the end of the game (as if the Colts weren't gifted a BS hold call on Jackson on that drive previously) .
 
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IDEXAN said:
You may recall that Watt and not JD was the first one to jump offsides in that in that intial possession by the Colts which they took advantage of with the second chance, converted to a first down, then went on down the field to score a TD.
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I remember that very well, and that impulsiveness along with tending to free-lance makes him the worst possible to pair with Clowney (to teach maturity). Watt is a great player but not real strong in discipline himself
 
JB said:
I remember that very well, and that impulsiveness along with tending to free-lance makes him the worst possible to pair with Clowney (to teach maturity). Watt is a great player but not real strong in discipline himself
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Honestly they need to move Watt inside and have Clowney and Merc on the edge in pass rush situations. It is crazy to me how many obvious pass rush situations we were in this year, only to have 2/3s of our best rushers actually rushing while the other dropped into coverage or spied the QB. We severely lacked an inside rush this season, moving Watt to the inside to rush from there could help that
 
cbs1507 said:
Yup JJ Watt was called offsides of 3rd and 7 on a player where they only got 5, which means they would have punted instead of scored. I'm surprised people don't remember that, yet keep bringing up a offsides in week 14 at the end of the game (as if the Colts weren't gifted a BS hold call on Jackson on that drive previously) .
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Maybe it's because if we had won on week 14 Watt wouldn't have jumped off sides on week 18.
 
Shishkabob said:
Honestly they need to move Watt inside and have Clowney and Merc on the edge in pass rush situations. It is crazy to me how many obvious pass rush situations we were in this year, only to have 2/3s of our best rushers actually rushing while the other dropped into coverage or spied the QB. We severely lacked an inside rush this season, moving Watt to the inside to rush from there could help that
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I've gotten into the habit of watching run highlights against us and looking specifically for JJ and JD on those plays. They give up a lot of plays due to being to aggressive and pay little attention to gap integrity unless it's short yardage.

I'd love to see JJ as an under tackle especially the older he gets. I don't know if mercy has enough beef to play 4-3 end every down in the nfl.
 
Pre-snap penalties were killers for this team, not just on defense, not just on Clowney. But maybe the Texans were as bad (or good) as all the other teams and I just noticed it more with them because they're "my" team.

I'm neutral on Clowney at this point. But I'm neutral on this team in general. Watt could tweet tomorrow that he's retiring and I'd get over it pretty quickly.

Probably the only way the speculation on Clowney's future could intrigue me is if he was on the trading block but he's not and won't be. He either gets paid big here or somewhere else. I guess the Texans would get a comp pick in 2020 if he moves on. Maybe by then the Texans will have a new HC...:spit: Like that's going to happen.
 
powda said:
I've gotten into the habit of watching run highlights against us and looking specifically for JJ and JD on those plays. They give up a lot of plays due to being to aggressive and pay little attention to gap integrity unless it's short yardage.

My same observations.

I'd love to see JJ as an under tackle especially the older he gets. I don't know if mercy has enough beef to play 4-3 end every down in the nfl.
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With his back and knee history, Watt is no longer able to plow THROUGH defenders. Routinely putting him inside may sound like a good idea, but it would render him much less effective.....and would undoubtedly not do his back and knee conditions any good.....shortening what's left of his career.
 
That's true, but it will still make the team more effective.

infantrycak said:
The ONLY dig on Clowney should be he is a ticking time bomb with a bone on bone knee.
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Clowney is great and underappreciated, but if we could get a good trade package for him, I'd be willing to sacrifice him. With the modern NFL, defense just isn't as important as offense.
 
noxiousdog said:
That's true, but it will still make the team more effective.



Clowney is great and underappreciated, but if we could get a good trade package for him, I'd be willing to sacrifice him. With the modern NFL, defense just isn't as important as offense.
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I agree with this. I'm only trading if we find a dumb team with a history of making stupid trades who'll over pay for him. I hear the Raiders are looking for a premium pass rusher.
 
badboy said:
Any examples?
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Spanky and Alfalfa maybe?
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It's walterfootball so take it with a grain of salt

It sounds like a franchise tag is coming for Houston Texans edge defender Jadeveon Clowney. Sources currently with the Texans say that they can absorb an expensive 1-year tag on Clowney. Houston staffers feel that the team is in win-now mode and has a championship window for the 2019 season, but losing Clowney would be a big blow to hopes for winning the Super Bowl next year. Texans sources say they also want to re-sign safety Tyrann Mathieu and hope to have him back in Houston next season.

While Clowney is likely to see the franchise tag, sources were not optimistic that Clowney would be signed to a long-term contract and said the franchise tag was probably only an option for one season given the cost. A long-term contract with Clowney probably would have been executed by former general manager Rick Smith. Smith had a string extensions for the team’s first-round picks. Duane Brown (2008), Brian Cushing (2009), Kareem Jackson (2010), J.J. Watt (2011), Whitney Mercilus (2012) and DeAndre Hopkins (2013) were all signed to an extension before their rookie contracts ended. Clowney is the next one up, but under the new regime, it sounds like a multi-year extension is less likely. Houston sources say the cost could be more than what current general manager Brian Gaine is willing to pay.

Sources also said that the relationship between Clowney and head coach Bill O’Brien is not necessarily conducive to either side wanting to do a long-term deal. Of course, the public statements are to the contrary because they have to be for the images of both the player and organization. The Texans feel that tagging Clowney is probably the only way to keep him. If Clowney were to become an unrestricted free agent, they think he could easily choose to sign elsewhere, like other recent desirable free agents A.J. Bouye or Brandon Brooks. The Texans tried to re-sign both Bouye and Brooks before losing them to Jacksonville and Philadelphia, respectively. Some with Houston feel that O’Brien’s ego and coaching style caused those veterans to prefer to move on and that Clowney would leave as well if he is not tagged.

Even though the Texans sound like they are likely to tag Clowney, they feel they do need another edge rusher. That is because Whitney Mercilus showed some signs of decline in 2018, Clowney could easily only be back for one more year, and the team felt that J.J. Watt showed some signs of aging when he played at end in 2018. Sources felt that Watt was very effective when moving inside to the three-technique and hope to convince him to play more snaps there in 2019. Thus, the Texans would ideally add another edge rusher despite those big-name veterans being projected to return for 2019.

Of course, there were other problems that led to the Texans getting bounced from the playoffs and dropping to a 1-3 postseason record under Bill O’Brien. Sources with Houston say the team has enough money to tag Clowney while also spending to upgrade the roster’s weaknesses along the offensive line and at cornerback. The Texans also have an extra second-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft thanks to the Duane Brown trade from 2017. They feel they are in the hunt for the Lombardi Trophy next year and sound like they are firmly in win-now mode this offseason.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2019rumors3.php#ixzz5dXIgsSN0
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markn said:
I agree with this. I'm only trading if we find a dumb team with a history of making stupid trades who'll over pay for him. I hear the Raiders are looking for a premium pass rusher.
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Jets too, unfortunately both have high draft picks in a very good draft to get pass rushers lol
 
Just my two cents but I'd worry about replacing Clowney and Watt 31 YOA going into 2020 draft although we could pick up really good OLBs in Sutton Smith and Maxx Crosby rounds five and 6/7 respectfully 2019.
 
PFF and Over the Cap project Jadeveon Clowney as this offseason's most expensive free agent. Taking the franchise tag off the table for a second, if you were GM of the Texans do you sign off on this deal or let him walk?

See who else is set to cash in: https://bit.ly/2SbL31H

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7:40 PM - Feb 5, 2019

Projection: Six years, $135 million, $85 million GTD

$135M Total value would be T-4th with Aaron Donald & Matthew Stafford
$22.5M avg/year would be T-11th with Aaron Donald
$85M guaranteed would be 2nd behind Matt Ryan($94M) and just ahead of Kirk Cousins($84M)

Aaron Donald:
6 years, $135M; $22.5M/year; $50M guaranteed

Khalil Mack:
6 years, $141M; $23.5M/year; $60M guaranteed
 
He does not get Mack or Donald money in my organisation. Those two guys are a level above him, JDC is good, not elite. Stupid plays as well even in street clothes, so he does not always have his head in the game and his effort is inconsistent. 5 uears, $18m per is where I would feel better. We cannot let everyone walk. Tag and trade if I could get a top end OT or CB. The drop off to Merci/Duke would be there, but overall would be better
 
He does not get Mack or Donald money in my organisation. Those two guys are a level above him, JDC is good, not elite. Stupid plays as well even in street clothes, so he does not always have his head in the game and his effort is inconsistent. 5 uears, $18m per is where I would feel better. We cannot let everyone walk. Tag and trade if I could get a top end OT or CB. The drop off to Merci/Duke would be there, but overall would be better
 
zshawn10 said:
PFF and Over the Cap project Jadeveon Clowney as this offseason's most expensive free agent. Taking the franchise tag off the table for a second, if you were GM of the Texans do you sign off on this deal or let him walk?

See who else is set to cash in: https://bit.ly/2SbL31H


7:40 PM - Feb 5, 2019

Projection: Six years, $135 million, $85 million GTD

$135M Total value would be T-4th with Aaron Donald & Matthew Stafford
$22.5M avg/year would be T-11th with Aaron Donald
$85M guaranteed would be 2nd behind Matt Ryan($94M) and just ahead of Kirk Cousins($84M)

Aaron Donald:
6 years, $135M; $22.5M/year; $50M guaranteed

Khalil Mack:
6 years, $141M; $23.5M/year; $60M guaranteed
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NO! He gets tagged and traded. The Texans could roll the dice like they did with Cushing and really wind up behind the cap eight-ball if he doesn't stay healthy. Sorry, I'll take a package of picks for Clowney.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
NO! He gets tagged and traded. The Texans could roll the dice like they did with Cushing and really wind up behind the cap eight-ball if he doesn't stay healthy. Sorry, I'll take a package of picks for Clowney.
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FFS, Cushing's pre-contract injury had nothing to do with his demise.
 
This is Houston. You know how this will work. If Clowney stays, he'll have injury problems and we'll all be second guessing this to hell. If Clowney leaves, he'll be an all pro terror for someone else and we'll all be second guessing this to hell.
 
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Wow, hope Texans are not the idiots that give Clowney 80+ guaranteed, shouldn't go over 40 guaranteed and not more then 15m/yr. Clowney is not anywhere close to Donald or Mack as comps. Clowney isn't half the player Hunter is for the Vikings and he only got 14m/yr with 40 guaranteed. What dumbassery.

Would try to trade Clowney to Falcons for Beasley and a 3rd. Both are better fits switching teams, Clowney needs a space linebacker playing behind him, and Beasley needs to rush the passer standing up the majority of the time.
 
Personally I would trade him if the deal was at all good. He's been good but I think he was expected to be Watt 2.0 and to me he has not lived up to his talent. I found it very telling that he had his best year when Watt went down and he got to be the number 1 guy. I really think its that he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Watt, and in Houston he always will, so when Watt is on the field he plays well but doesn't push the boundaries like he would if he was in that number 1 spot light.

I think if we trade him we could get great value out of him to help us. I fully expect him to go to another team and be a beast there if he is brought in as the franchise defense guy. Its why I wouldn't trade him in division unless it was an offer to good to refuse. As much as I hate the thought of another team getting his best I just don't think we are ever going to get it as long as he shares a line up with Watt and I'd rather keep Watt even with the injuries. So since we aren't going to get his best lets get value for him and use that to meet other needs.
 
Mollywhopper said:
No one, not even Clowney's own mom, expected him to be Watt 2.0.
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At RD1-01, the hell we didn't! He should've had Watt chasing him for the limelight. Sampson was all NBA everything his rookie season, the Hakeem arrived and decided he was going to carry the Rockets.....and did.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Watt put up historical, unmatched numbers the league has never seen. Anyone who thought Clowney would match that kind of production probably hasn't watched much of the league over the years. Completely unrealistic expectation.
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So are you happy with the production we have gotten out of Clowney? Not being a smartass I actually am curious.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At RD1-01, the hell we didn't! He should've had Watt chasing him for the limelight. Sampson was all NBA everything his rookie season, the Hakeem arrived and decided he was going to carry the Rockets.....and did.
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I think your expectations for Clowney just because he was a #1 overall pick were unrealistic. Watt has been a generational player, even if Watt was a #1 over all pick he has far exceeded those expectations..... and then to try to compare and expect him to be Hakeem, probably the best big man to ever play the game.... just yea stop
 
maverick512000 said:
So are you happy with the production we have gotten out of Clowney? Not being a smartass I actually am curious.
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Not 100%. And not so much as a 1-1. But given his injury history, and knowing all along he was never gonna be a pass rushing dynamo, I guess I kinda am.

I take his pros for his cons. That said I wouldn't back the brinks truck up for him. I'd tag him and entertain trade offers while fully content to play him one more season before we reassess after 2019.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Not 100%. And not so much as a 1-1. But given his injury history, and knowing all along he was never gonna be a pass rushing dynamo, I guess I kinda am.

I take his pros for his cons. That said I wouldn't back the brinks truck up for him. I'd tag him and entertain trade offers while fully content to play him one more season before we reassess after 2019.
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Overall I agree with you but I think the bolded part is going to be the sticking point. I don't know maybe I'm not being fair but there is just something about Clowney that I don't care for. I think he is going to push for a big contract, and yeah all players do but I mean a contract beyond his level of production. Doesn't help that several of the talking heads are saying its time for Clowney to get paid either by the Texans or someone else. I don't know I think I'd just at this point rather have the draft picks.
 
maverick512000 said:
Overall I agree with you but I think the bolded part is going to be the sticking point. I don't know maybe I'm not being fair but there is just something about Clowney that I don't care for. I think he is going to push for a big contract, and yeah all players do but I mean a contract beyond his level of production. Doesn't help that several of the talking heads are saying its time for Clowney to get paid either by the Texans or someone else. I don't know I think I'd just at this point rather have the draft picks.
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It's tag him or get nothing more than a 3rd rnd comp pick
 
JB said:
It's tag him or get nothing more than a 3rd rnd comp pick
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I'm not saying don't tag him, I'm just saying be hunting for trading partners that make a fair deal for him. If we find one, great send him their way, if not then we get him on tag price and kick the can down the road on what to do with him.
 
maverick512000 said:
Overall I agree with you but I think the bolded part is going to be the sticking point. I don't know maybe I'm not being fair but there is just something about Clowney that I don't care for. I think he is going to push for a big contract, and yeah all players do but I mean a contract beyond his level of production. Doesn't help that several of the talking heads are saying its time for Clowney to get paid either by the Texans or someone else. I don't know I think I'd just at this point rather have the draft picks.
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Unless the get two 1's they should just tag Clowney. IMHO
 
maverick512000 said:
So are you happy with the production we have gotten out of Clowney? Not being a smartass I actually am curious.
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My issue with Clowney and the reason I would be reluctant to give him a big contract is not his talent or play on the field: it is his injury history and how many years he has left of quality production. It is a truly sad situation for him—he has so much ability, but his career has been compromised by injury.
 
Texas Jake said:
My issue with Clowney and the reason I would be reluctant to give him a big contract is not his talent or play on the field: it is his injury history and how many years he has left of quality production. It is a truly sad situation for him—he has so much ability, but his career has been compromised by injury.
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It's a shame... but he's been well compensated
 
IDEXAN said:
Not gonna get anything like two ones for JD, not even close. Maybe a single low first rounder, tops he'd fetch IMO.
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That's why you tag him and depending on how he does maybe tag him again next yr. The previous GM would've already extended him like he did Schaub.
 
Moving forward they have to weigh costs of resigning someone worthy of the #1 overall pick. Didn’t learn lesson with Mario Williams, now Clowney.
 
So the Texans don' t want to extend him in a multi year deal.

They could franchise tag him, but then he could hold out and either way we'll be back in this spot next year. So why not trade him like Oakland did with mack.

Personally I'd try to extend him. See if he'll agree to a small discount
 
beerlover said:
Moving forward they have to weigh costs of resigning someone worthy of the #1 overall pick. Didn’t learn lesson with Mario Williams, now Clowney.
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The biggest lesson might be to never suck enough to have to pick number 1 overall. If there is not a QB worthy of 1.1 pretty much the pick is untradeable and long-term that non-QB needs to be a generational talent...(imo) Clowney is a half tier to full tier better than Mario Williams, and still not elite enough to justify his selection nor pure contract to keep him. The problem is that there is not an obvious, clear better player available in FA and probably not the draft.
 
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