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Brian Gaine Thread
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Turned the corner ? Yes. Implemented a brand new OLine in one year ? Absolutely not.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Replacing 3 in one offseason is basically a new OL and the reason they went from crap to great.
That all may be true but nevertheless the Colts have been in the process of rebuilding their Oline since 2011 to get to where they are today.
Maybe so, but they've really focused on fixing the OL in the last 3 yrs.
Replaced 2 in 2018 not 3 so that's a retention of 60 % from prior years.
Just go check out a depth chart for the Colts and see what they did which is three of last years starters were drafted before 2018 (2015, 2016, 2011).
What are you being so f'ing argumentitive about, I'm not making it up, it's in the DC.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Every team drafts OL virtually every year. It's absurd to say they've been trying since 2011 just because that's the oldest guy. And Glowinski is a 1st year with the Colts FA from Seattle.
Tired of this '2-3 years away to fill all the holes' mantra. You don't need to fill every hole. Matt Friggin Stevens had a SB ring as a Patriots starter. You fill what you can and then coach to the strengths and away from the weaknesses.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You'd like to think so but they got (Colts) the best OL prospect to come out of college in the last ten years and he is a monster already and still a rookie.
Ok I think you've finally got it - they have been putting their OLine together since 2011 because according to the DC that's when their current LT was drafted which makes him the most senior acquisition on the line.
Shishkabob
All Pro
How so? Staffing the coaches is the HCs job, your GM shouldn't have to step in to force a hire. If that's the case then you have a bigger problem than just needing an OC
That's accurate, 3 years except for one position the Oline has turned over in 3 years and now who's line is better in the NFL ? Anybodies ?
I know Nelson has turned to be a terrific NFL interior Olineman, but seriously isn't #6 overall still kinda steep for a guard SteelB ?
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Right next to Ryan Kelly an elite level center prospect .
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I have watched them over their last few games. They are starting to gel as a unit as illustrated by their hot streak.Right next to Ryan Kelly an elite level center prospect .
They are going to be a major headache for every team they face.
Their bullrush close to the line is almost unstoppable and they are hard to get a good passrush against.
The only way to beat them is to match them score for score and hopefully finish on top.
Their rise to this level in just half a season is scary.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Pro Bowl level ? Forget the pro bowl designation, the AP voted him all pro guard this year which is remarkable for a small market team like Indy for rookie to realize that achievment. I dunno don't you think all pro is much more impressive than pro bowl designation ?
Any way no doubt Nelson is a terrific player no matter position. I watched one sequence in the game where Nelson flipped Clowney, around then pankacked him like he was a high school kid.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
We have been down this road before. McNair stepped in to hire Wade. Someone needs to step in and hire an OC.
The offense has never worked. And if it did, it was brief and not sustainable.
The big issue? The HC.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Cleveland has the right mix. If McDaniels gets the job, I would swoop in and get Kitchens and Williams.
I would even fire OB and name one of the HC and the other assistant HC.
Have them draw straws.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I don't see it, but we can agree to disagree
Mangler
Toro de España
I pray Cal McNair makes a big move this offseason. Whatever it is probably won’t be big enough though, as ass jaw is still the HC. Hopefully he is targeting someone once the season comes to an end.
11 wins with a team that wasn't that good to begin with.
Fact: The most talented team won Saturday.
Deal with it
Fact: The most talented team won Saturday.
Deal with it
Mangler
Toro de España
The team with the better coach, and better O-line won. Crennel at least made adjustments and shut the Colts offense down for the second half. O’Brien, on the other hand, did the same sh1t.
Did RAC shut them down or were they basically trying to run out the clock?
The offense did get in the RZ twice and scored once in the 2nd half.
If they had a better OL the coach would've looked much better. I do want BOB to get an OC and new OL coach next yr.
Mangler
Toro de España
Want it all you want, but O’Brien already said he wants the same coaching staff going forward. Hopefully that includes an OC though. I’m with you on that one...
He could get sick of the weather up in the frozen north ….
We're talkin about OB here …. he leaves more talented players (TE's) sitting on the bench and has the most unimiaginative playbook in the league.
Yeah , I question whether more talent equals better performance.
This is where the differences begin and end.
Some dont even want to give BOB a chance with his guy in place.
A total double standard, but not really surprising after seeing how a few on this MB are.
The few that think BOB's a bully are the biggest bullies on this MB. (Not you) Most would just blw them off and leave the MB. What I've found works for me is limit what and how you respond to them.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Who said OB is a bully?
Is Gaine going to find OB some semblance of a competent offensive philosophy in the offseason? We've all seen OB's system and it isn't very impressive.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I fully believe they need to bring in someone from outside this organization for the offensive side of the ball. Whether that be as an OC, or if they promote Ryan to OC as a QB coach. Just a fresh set of eyes, and fresh set of ideas to help with this offense.
It happens in all walks of life, and I'm sure many of you have experienced it before. You and a group are working on a problem, and are stuck. You know these people, you work well with these people, you have all solved many issues many times over but for whatever reason now yall are stuck. Then comes someone else from the outside, they look at it for a few moments and know how to solve it. Sometimes someone with a fresh line of thinking can find that missing puzzle piece and solve the problem
Mangler
Toro de España
I he problem with this is, O’Brien must feel “comfortable” with whoever they bring in. He’d rather bring one of his buddies in and they learn on the job over a guy that has been doing the job and has experience. OR, he’ll “just do it himself.” I like Brian Gaine and if his first draft ( in which he was handicapped) is any indication of things going forward, We are in good shape. He can’t confuse friendship with business, or he’ll be out the door along with O’Brien.
What we've seen is dysfunction. The 1st season without it and the new GM unable to add premium draft talent and still finishing 11-5 tells me as talent is added good times are ahead. Will that be enough to bring a Lombardi to Kirby. Depends on how much talent is added over the next couple of yrs and Watson's development.
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Tell me about the talent that started the playoff game and compare that to the talent the Colts have on the offensive side of the ball.
I don't feel a need to discuss the lack of talent on the Texans O. I've seen the same crappy play regardless of talent. OB is just not a very creative or innovative offensive mind.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
1st premier QB in franchise history.
Texansballer74
The Marine
We're five years in with the same shitty ash results and people still talking about given that style of offense a chance.
Hopefully
TejasTom
All Pro
BoB just has a hard time trusting rookies. Maybe they’re not getting it done in practice.
BoB playbook is in the unique position of being complicated and unimaginative at the same time.
Watson won 11 games on his own and BOB lost the other 6. Do I have that correct?
No, Watson and the defense won them.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Unlike you I don't see the world as binary. But heavily leaning that way, yes.
Nuk did his part
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
And let's not forget us - the fans, we had a hell of a season - rooted like sum b1tches. One game I yelled so hard I pulled a hamstring - but of course, the Texans medical staff sent me back in too soon and I had a compensatory injury of sore vocal cords the next game. I was pretty mad no one from the forum made the pro bowl or all pro teams.
Mangler
Toro de España
The idiot hasn’t learned that there are things that you won’t see on the practice field. Remember when Tom Savage was the better option in 2017 because of what he saw in the practice field? Then the rookie takes over and next thing you know the Texans have the highest scoring offense in the NFL.
Take the Jordan twins for example, they’re more athletic than Ryan Griffin and catch damn near everything thrown their way, yet they saw very little action because ass jaw just doesn’t trust rookies. Hell, after 4-5 years of the same sh1t should be evidence enough that O’Brien is the one that shouldn’t be trusted!
Surreal McCoy
Rookie
"An army of deer commanded by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions commanded by a deer"
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strange analogy, but I get your point
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
We still have no clue what his offensive philosophy is. We don't know if he wants to run power or zone. He gets big guys with slow feet that lack power & a point sized speed demon with no vision & no wiggle.
He's not trying to install a rhythm passing game. Not particular to short passing game. Doesn't know the center of the field exists. Doesn't care for play action. Doesn't want a running QB, doesn't want a pocket QB...
I have no clue what he wants to do with TEs.
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