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Mangler said:
Drink all the kool-aid you want. If anyone deserves “coach of the year” accolades, it should be Romeo Crennel. He turned our defense back in the top 10. (Arguably) The offensive line coach should also be given some credit. O’Brien’s ass will be saved by them and Watson once again.
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Here's what's funny, just above Corrosion posted about the lack of depth in the defensive backfield. The DB corps isn't top 10 but for the 1st time in franchise history they are getting all pro safety play from Mathieu/Reid and that shows the importance of great safety play. (Thanks Gaine) I cant believe that position
was neglected for so long. That and the neglect of the ST's should have been what got the previous GM fired because they were easy fixes.

Good times are ahead man, lets enjoy the ride instead of bickering over the mundane should a HC on a 9 game winning streak be fired. I cant wait to see when the Texans lose another game this yr and they will lose another game this yr the reaction from the mob who didn't want BOB here to begin with simply because he wasn't Kubiak and since Kubiak got a raw deal from Tricky Ricky it wouldn't have really mattered who the next HC was a large part of the fanbase wouldn't have liked him.

People who loved Kubiak and the ZBS are particularly salty because the EP offense and BOB personality wise are night/day different. But BOB/Kubiak are a whole lot alike when it comes to the coaching philosophy of get a lead and milk the clock. You can do this against teams like the Browns. Not so much against teams like the Pats/Chiefs/Steelers.
 
steelbtexan said:
Here's what's funny, just above Corrosion posted about the lack of depth in the defensive backfield. The DB corps isn't top 10 but for the 1st time in franchise history they are getting all pro safety play from Mathieu/Reid and that shows the importance of great safety play. (Thanks Gaine) I cant believe that position
was neglected for so long. That and the neglect of the ST's should have been what got the previous GM fired because they were easy fixes.

Good times are ahead man, lets enjoy the ride instead of bickering over the mundane should a HC on a 9 game winning streak be fired. I cant wait to see when the Texans lose another game this yr and they will lose another game this yr the reaction from the mob who didn't want BOB here to begin with simply because he wasn't Kubiak and since Kubiak got a raw deal from Tricky Ricky it wouldn't have really mattered who the next HC was a large part of the fanbase wouldn't have liked him.

People who loved Kubiak and the ZBS are particularly salty because the EP offense and BOB personality wise are night/day different. But BOB/Kubiak are a whole lot alike when it comes to the coaching philosophy of get a lead and milk the clock. You can do this against teams like the Browns. Not so much against teams like the Pats/Chiefs/Steelers.
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When this thread was started the Texans were on a 3 game losing streak and a lot of the wins on the current winning streak have been more in spite of OB than because of OB. A W is a W and I'll take them, but be honest; winning by opponents missing FGs is a poor strategy for long-term success. You also have to consider the teams the Texans are facing. Not exactly cream of the crop there. Are the Texans still winning if they were playing the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, etc.? I seriously doubt it.

I am happy that OB appears to have figured out that the OL is better at run blocking than pass pro and calls plays accordingly. I'm also ecstatic about a 9, hopefully 10, game winning streak. I don't think too many on here are "salty" (that term is so misused from how it was originally used) about which scheme is used as much as they are about the often anemic play we see on the field. I wouldn't care if Minnie Mouse was coaching the Wishbone as long as them team was getting solid wins against quality teams.
 
DocBar said:
When this thread was started the Texans were on a 3 game losing streak and a lot of the wins on the current winning streak have been more in spite of OB than because of OB. A W is a W and I'll take them, but be honest; winning by opponents missing FGs is a poor strategy for long-term success. You also have to consider the teams the Texans are facing. Not exactly cream of the crop there. Are the Texans still winning if they were playing the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, etc.? I seriously doubt it.

I am happy that OB appears to have figured out that the OL is better at run blocking than pass pro and calls plays accordingly. I'm also ecstatic about a 9, hopefully 10, game winning streak. I don't think too many on here are "salty" (that term is so misused from how it was originally used) about which scheme is used as much as they are about the often anemic play we see on the field. I wouldn't care if Minnie Mouse was coaching the Wishbone as long as them team was getting solid wins against quality teams.
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Take into account some of of this is related to Watson coming off of ACL and playing with broken ribs/punctured lung. Especially playing behind this OL it appears BOB went conservative with his gameplans. I certainly cant blame him. Now that Watson's more healthy I expect the playbook to be opened up a little more. But dont expect the Chief/Rams/Saints offense out of this group.
 
Shishkabob said:
So if the team does bad it's all on O'Brien, but if the team does good it's just O'Brien being saved by everyone else around him? Some of yall are truly ignorant in your blind hate
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Why does it take him so long to figure out how to use his personnel? Why can’t he pick the correct personnel?

Buy the dude a clock.

There are times his plays are awesome, like when he uses misdirection at Watson’s skill level.

Then there’s the run up the middle everyone knows is coming and everyone knows won’t work.

He’s an enigma.
 
Ain't going to lie. I liked Kubiak.

I was willing to give BO'b a chance. Go back look at the threads before he actually started "coaching."

I didn't care for the way he couldn't handle the media. Like he's surprised every time they ask him a question. Then if they ask him a difficult question he blows up. He can't remember what just happened in the game with any detail.

Then I didn't like the college approach he took with the team.

Then I didn't like the way he acted like our team didn't know how to win... as if we had never been to the playoffs & won.

I didn't like his QB decisions then the way he seemed to flip flop on them... except Hoyer. It's as if he didn't have a plan.

& that's another thing. If he ever does look like he has a plan, he changes it quickly, as if he was way wrong. Don't get me wrong. I like a guy who can admit his mistakes. But so many?

But this is where we are. He is who he is. I am, & I have been for a long time, hoping he continues to get better.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
The special teams are a LOT better and I dare say won some games, so thanks to the skill focus by Gaine and coaching by Seely.
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I think a bunch of "atta boys" should be thrown Welker's direction as well. Look what he has done with Coutee (when he plays), and the new guy, Carter. Welker has assisted with ST's this year and that group has been WAY better. So :clap:to Mr. Welker also.

steelbtexan said:
the coaching philosophy of get a lead and milk the clock. You can do this against teams like the Browns. Not so much against teams like the Pats/Chiefs/Steelers.
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This is all I was trying to point out in the other thread. Those teams, you gotta go for the throat.
 
Can one of the anti-turtling members remind me again what BOB’s W/L record is when going into halftime with a lead?

For those complaining about us winning due to the other team missing FG’s or making questionable 4th down calls, wouldn’t coach get some credit for forcing the other team into those situations?

Just some things to think about.
 
chenjy9 said:
Can one of the anti-turtling members remind me again what BOB’s W/L record is when going into halftime with a lead?

For those complaining about us winning due to the other team missing FG’s or making questionable 4th down calls, wouldn’t coach get some credit for forcing the other team into those situations?

Just some things to think about.
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Not to mention on the 2 games that we lost by "missed" field goals. 1 of the field goal attempts would have been an NFL record long field goal, I don't count that as being lucky, if the other team had made it I'd consider that luck, but a 60+ yard field goal is a crap shoot. 2nd if our kicker had not missed kicks in both of those games the other team wouldn't have even had a chance to win on a last second field goal. So were they equally as lucky we had missed?
 
Shishkabob said:
Not to mention on the 2 games that we lost by "missed" field goals. 1 of the field goal attempts would have been an NFL record long field goal, I don't count that as being lucky, if the other team had made it I'd consider that luck, but a 60+ yard field goal is a crap shoot. 2nd if our kicker had not missed kicks in both of those games the other team wouldn't have even had a chance to win on a last second field goal. So were they equally as lucky we had missed?
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Stop it shishkabob. Don’t u know Using the buttchin brigade’s rationale against them is against forum rules?

Fact of the matter is these folks were never going to give the guy credit for anything this team accomplished; that’s why u see all these qualifiers during this 9 game win streak....

the team is wins? 95% of the credit goes to someone else (Watson, Crennel), some entity (the defense) or some THING (dumb opposing HC, sheer luck) else.

Let the team lose though.....95% of the blame is going to BoB...never mind the defense gave up 28-35 pts....never mind this player(s) did this or that...never mind that the opposing team is just better. The way the Buttchin Brigade thinks “if he’d just called this play...we would’ve won...:rolleyes:.

The way these guys talk BoB is just some guy on the sideline with a headset a Denny’s menu of plays & a challenge flag. Everyone else on the team is doing everything else.
 
Seegara said:
You don't see my hand or even my foot in the air, do you?
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I don't.

But you do realize the talent deficiencies on this team?

Getting to the playoffs with this group is an accomplishment.

Look at the ol,the,rb groups and tell me what you think about their talent level compared to the Chiefs, Pats, Steelers etc...

In fact other than Nuk the Wr group consists of Thomas and Carter who were signed off of the street and traded for.

Fuller and Coutee can't stay healthy.
 
Seegara said:
You don't see my hand or even my foot in the air, do you?
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I don't.

But you do realize the talent deficiencies on this team?

Getting to the playoffs with this group is an accomplishment.

Look at the ol,the,rb groups and tell me what you think about their talent level compared to the Chiefs, Pats, Steelers etc...

In fact other than Nuk the Wr group consists of Thomas and Carter who were signed off of the street and traded for.

Fuller and Coutee can't stay healthy.
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't.

But you do realize the talent deficiencies on this team?

Getting to the playoffs with this group is an accomplishment.

Look at the ol,the,rb groups and tell me what you think about their talent level compared to the Chiefs, Pats, Steelers etc...

In fact other than Nuk the Wr group consists of Thomas and Carter who were signed off of the street and traded for.

Fuller and Coutee can't stay healthy.
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The same teams you mentioned are also weak in some areas just not the same areas as us. Likewise we have weapons they don't, you mentioned Nuk as the only WR well yeah but that's pretty much all we've needed really. The other teams may have guys that can catch the ball, we do to, but they don't have a WR that has not dropped a single pass thrown his way that was even remotely catchable. Likewise most other teams would kill for our defense and more than a few for Watson. RB wise yeah Blue could be better but Miller is having a banner year. Those are all some serious weapons.

So yeah getting to the playoffs is an accomplishment, it is for any team, but lets not make it sound like the team doesn't have some serious talent and that the team is some great underdog story that will inspire a hallmark movie down the line. Where I credit BoB the most is keeping the team focused after going 0-3, no one in the last 20 years had made the playoffs after going 0-3 but hey look where we are. You can say that was the DC, you can say that was Gaines, you can say that was injuries healing but whatever the reason at the end of the day BoB captained the ship through the storm. Now whether he did that just to crash it on the rocks called the playoffs remains to be seen but for now it seems to be pretty smooth sailing.

So yes BoB deserves credit but to me its more for helping the team see how good they really can be rather than making them seem better than they are.
 
maverick512000 said:
The same teams you mentioned are also weak in some areas just not the same areas as us. Likewise we have weapons they don't, you mentioned Nuk as the only WR well yeah but that's pretty much all we've needed really. The other teams may have guys that can catch the ball, we do to, but they don't have a WR that has not dropped a single pass thrown his way that was even remotely catchable. Likewise most other teams would kill for our defense and more than a few for Watson. RB wise yeah Blue could be better but Miller is having a banner year. Those are all some serious weapons.

So yeah getting to the playoffs is an accomplishment, it is for any team, but lets not make it sound like the team doesn't have some serious talent and that the team is some great underdog story that will inspire a hallmark movie down the line. Where I credit BoB the most is keeping the team focused after going 0-3, no one in the last 20 years had made the playoffs after going 0-3 but hey look where we are. You can say that was the DC, you can say that was Gaines, you can say that was injuries healing but whatever the reason at the end of the day BoB captained the ship through the storm. Now whether he did that just to crash it on the rocks called the playoffs remains to be seen but for now it seems to be pretty smooth sailing.

So yes BoB deserves credit but to me its more for helping the team see how good they really can be rather than making them seem better than they are.
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This is a fair post.

But the offense isn't going to hold up during the playoffs due to the lack of talent I mentioned. Miller, isn't that the guy everyone wants replaced? Fact is if Watson Nuk can make 2-3 big plays in a playoff game the Texans will score 23 points and they can beat the lesser playoff teams scoring that much but not the upper tier teams.

The defense is very good and would be even better with 1 more above avg (Josh Norman type) CB. I hope they change their philosophy and sign Claiborne or trade for Jenkins this offseason.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ain't going to lie. I liked Kubiak.

I was willing to give BO'b a chance. Go back look at the threads before he actually started "coaching."

I didn't care for the way he couldn't handle the media. Like he's surprised every time they ask him a question. Then if they ask him a difficult question he blows up. He can't remember what just happened in the game with any detail.

Then I didn't like the college approach he took with the team.

Then I didn't like the way he acted like our team didn't know how to win... as if we had never been to the playoffs & won.

I didn't like his QB decisions then the way he seemed to flip flop on them... except Hoyer. It's as if he didn't have a plan.

& that's another thing. If he ever does look like he has a plan, he changes it quickly, as if he was way wrong. Don't get me wrong. I like a guy who can admit his mistakes. But so many?

But this is where we are. He is who he is. I am, & I have been for a long time, hoping he continues to get better.
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You're not being a very good team mate....
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Bwhahaha the lack of talent comment really needs to be thrown out the damn window at this point. 9 straight wins clearly shows we have plenty of talent to compete with any team.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bwhahaha the lack of talent comment really needs to be thrown out the damn window at this point. 9 straight wins clearly shows we have plenty of talent to compete with any team.
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But what does the 9 game winning streak have to do with the HC? The disparity in answers to that question will be quite stark from this board. It’s from they’re winning in spite of O’Brien to he deserves some of the credit. I haven’t read or heard anyone say the winning streak is mainly because of BoB.

I’m back to a wait and see mode on O’Brien. Sadly though there are fans of this team waiting for the Texans to fail so they can hate on O’Brien some more. I’ll be critical of him when he deserves it but I’m hoping he limits that earned criticism to almost nothing.
 
DocBar said:
When this thread was started the Texans were on a 3 game losing streak and a lot of the wins on the current winning streak have been more in spite of OB than because of OB. A W is a W and I'll take them, but be honest; winning by opponents missing FGs is a poor strategy for long-term success. You also have to consider the teams the Texans are facing. Not exactly cream of the crop there. Are the Texans still winning if they were playing the Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, etc.? I seriously doubt it.

I am happy that OB appears to have figured out that the OL is better at run blocking than pass pro and calls plays accordingly. I'm also ecstatic about a 9, hopefully 10, game winning streak. I don't think too many on here are "salty" (that term is so misused from how it was originally used) about which scheme is used as much as they are about the often anemic play we see on the field. I wouldn't care if Minnie Mouse was coaching the Wishbone as long as them team was getting solid wins against quality teams.
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You don't win 9 straight games "in spite of" a bad HC. In fact, players are more likely to open up a big can of quit on said HC if they feel they're such a detriment.

The schedule argument being used against the Texans is garbage though. For 1, as has been noted elsewhere on this forum, The Texans are at the top of the league in terms of strength of victory. At this very moment, All of the teams they've faced this year with the exception of the the Jags giants and Browns are .500 or better. That doesn't purport to change too much as we finish this final leg of the season. The other thing is where exactly are all these "quality" teams that the supposed much better Chiefs have beaten? Sure they beat the Steelers and Chargers..but we beat:

the Redskins - when they were at their best & leading the NFC east.
The Cowboys - who now lead the NFC east
& depending on what happens with PHI & DAL this weekend, we may end up deciding who wins that tight division when we face PHI later this year. Hell they could be leading the division by then.

Both KC and HOU have beaten DEN....& lost to NE. They're explosive offensively...we're explosive defensively. Reid is a solid offensive mind, but lets not act like BoB would be overmatched. Anyone who has watched any NFL ball over the last 20 years is well aware of Reid's shortcomings. The hype machine in Bristol and Culver City CA have you guys believing that they're waaaayyyyy better than us just b/c they score more points ppg. If they have an advantage, it ain't huge. Truth be told, it might just be the HFA that gives them the edge over us in the playoffs if we wind up facing them.

Finally here are the Final scores from 3 of the last 5 AFC championship games:

Jax: 20
NE: 24

Den: 20
NE: 18

NE: 16
Den: 26

Not exactly, the Chiefs vs Rams from earlier this year.
 
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2018/11/26/nfl-scoring-is-up-and-so-are-ratings/

As most any football fan will tell you, watching NFL games in 2018 has been exciting. One reason is that scoring is on a record-setting pace. After 11 weeks, the NFL has been on a record pace for most points scored (7,791), most touchdown (895) and most passing touchdowns (570). On average, there are 48.4 points scored in a game, another record. Teams that score the most are also Super Bowl contenders
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You can't expect a defensive battle in a record setting offensive outlier of a season like 2018. No way. Teams will score, just a matter of keeping up until your D can make a stop. Fall behind and it's all over.

Also the SOS and SOV is not ''top of league" either. Just would hate to have people misinformed. Cool to be optimistic but all things in moderation.

http://www.espn.com.au/nfl/table/_/view/playoff
 
JB said:
but ahead of KC in both?
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There's some interesting conclusions one could jump to from that chart .. we are also right behind the Rams in SOV but I would wager the Rams are a little more battle tested. It's somewhat subjective when making sense of metrics what one can't do is rewrite data for arguments sake.

I could say the Texans are a worse 'outdoor' team from the data but they've played most games indoors. They will need to play some winter ball if they don't get a bye, but it's not to say they couldn't win those games either.

Will your stars show up when it counts? That's what it boils down to and it's why I feel so strongly in Watsons penchant for big game heroics.

Texans can play with any team they belong on the field.
 
banned1976 said:
But what does the 9 game winning streak have to do with the HC? The disparity in answers to that question will be quite stark from this board. It’s from they’re winning in spite of O’Brien to he deserves some of the credit. I haven’t read or heard anyone say the winning streak is mainly because of BoB.

I’m back to a wait and see mode on O’Brien. Sadly though there are fans of this team waiting for the Texans to fail so they can hate on O’Brien some more. I’ll be critical of him when he deserves it but I’m hoping he limits that earned criticism to almost nothing.
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Bill O'Brien has his flaws but he's played a big part in this 9 game winning streak. I'm back to given him the benefit of the doubt. His play calling has improved and he's finally utilizing his weapons correctly. I've seen him make adjustments on the fly, example:we got down to the Titans early and he made a few adjustments and the rest was history.

He is able to do these things because he has the talent on both sides of the ball.
 
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2018/11/26/nfl-scoring-is-up-and-so-are-ratings/



You can't expect a defensive battle in a record setting offensive outlier of a season like 2018. No way. Teams will score, just a matter of keeping up until your D can make a stop. Fall behind and it's all over.

Also the SOS and SOV is not ''top of league" either. Just would hate to have people misinformed. Cool to be optimistic but all things in moderation.

http://www.espn.com.au/nfl/table/_/view/playoff
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They’re literally just outside the top 10 at 11 in SOV..but you’re right not near the very top like I thought I saw..but as JB point out, ahead of KC. In fact, they’re ahead of all but 2 of the current playoff teams in both SOS and SOV. So I’m not buying this schedule thing folks try to use against them.


But I for the most part agree with what you’re saying overall to a point. a defensive battle is a 10-6 / 13-17 type of game and that’s not at all what I’m insinuating. What I’m saying is the air tends to come out of the ball as the season wears on & the playoffs hit...which in turn tends to dampen the scoring. There are several reasons for that. For 1, The weather changing..2, player injuries, 3, a full 16 games of game tape that that allow u to really lock in on tendencies etc. the other thing is You typically see the best defenses when the post season starts..i.e. no more beating up on cupcakes and padding stats.

So while really good offenses can still find ways to put up solid offensive numbers, all of the variables I listed above typically produce somewhat of a draw down effect on scoring as the season wears on...and record setting offensive season or not, you’re already starting to see it this year.

It’s why a defense-dominant, offensively challenged cowboys team can all of a sudden shut down and hang with the hottest team/offense in the league in the saints.

It’s how a Carolina Panthers team can go from looking explosive as hell early in the season to downright pathetic offensively in 4 of their last 5 games.


Look at the chiefs now. No Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins likely done for the season & they all of a sudden struggle to put away a bad raiders team...Just in time for one of the more tougher portions of their schedule.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is a fair post.

But the offense isn't going to hold up during the playoffs due to the lack of talent I mentioned. Miller, isn't that the guy everyone wants replaced? Fact is if Watson Nuk can make 2-3 big plays in a playoff game the Texans will score 23 points and they can beat the lesser playoff teams scoring that much but not the upper tier teams.

The defense is very good and would be even better with 1 more above avg (Josh Norman type) CB. I hope they change their philosophy and sign Claiborne or trade for Jenkins this offseason.
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The offense is more tested than the defense, imo. I'm more worried about Honey Badger & Reid being exposed by Brady, Mahomes, or Ben than I am about Miller showing his true face.
 
Mr teX said:
They’re literally just outside the top 10 at 11 in SOV..but you’re right not near the very top like I thought I saw..but as JB point out, ahead of KC. In fact, they’re ahead of all but 2 of the current playoff teams in both SOS and SOV. So I’m not buying this schedule thing folks try to use against them.


But I for the most part agree with what you’re saying overall to a point. a defensive battle is a 10-6 / 13-17 type of game and that’s not at all what I’m insinuating. What I’m saying is the air tends to come out of the ball as the season wears on & the playoffs hit...which in turn tends to dampen the scoring. There are several reasons for that. For 1, The weather changing..2, player injuries, 3, a full 16 games of game tape that that allow u to really lock in on tendencies etc. the other thing is You typically see the best defenses when the post season starts..i.e. no more beating up on cupcakes and padding stats.

So while really good offenses can still find ways to put up solid offensive numbers, all of the variables I listed above typically produce somewhat of a draw down effect on scoring as the season wears on...and record setting offensive season or not, you’re already starting to see it this year.

It’s why a defense-dominant, offensively challenged cowboys team can all of a sudden shut down and hang with the hottest team/offense in the league in the saints.

It’s how a Carolina Panthers team can go from looking explosive as hell early in the season to downright pathetic offensively in 4 of their last 5 games.


Look at the chiefs now. No Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins likely done for the season & they all of a sudden struggle to put away a bad raiders team...Just in time for one of the more tougher portions of their schedule.
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The Chiefs defense has been suspect all season. That's the only reason why the Raiders scored like they did. The offense didn't miss a beat without those two players you mentioned. Lol
 
Mr teX said:
Look at the chiefs now. No Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins likely done for the season & they all of a sudden struggle to put away a bad raiders team...Just in time for one of the more tougher portions of their schedule.
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I don't know what to think about that one.

KC still scored 40 points. The surprise, to me at least, is that the Raiders scored 33, which had nothing to do with Kareem Hunt or Sammy Watkins.

Now, if it were a 10-17 game, I could see your point.
 
Mr teX said:
They’re literally just outside the top 10 at 11 in SOV..but you’re right not near the very top like I thought I saw..but as JB point out, ahead of KC. In fact, they’re ahead of all but 2 of the current playoff teams in both SOS and SOV. So I’m not buying this schedule thing folks try to use against them.


But I for the most part agree with what you’re saying overall to a point. a defensive battle is a 10-6 / 13-17 type of game and that’s not at all what I’m insinuating. What I’m saying is the air tends to come out of the ball as the season wears on & the playoffs hit...which in turn tends to dampen the scoring. There are several reasons for that. For 1, The weather changing..2, player injuries, 3, a full 16 games of game tape that that allow u to really lock in on tendencies etc. the other thing is You typically see the best defenses when the post season starts..i.e. no more beating up on cupcakes and padding stats.

So while really good offenses can still find ways to put up solid offensive numbers, all of the variables I listed above typically produce somewhat of a draw down effect on scoring as the season wears on...and record setting offensive season or not, you’re already starting to see it this year.

It’s why a defense-dominant, offensively challenged cowboys team can all of a sudden shut down and hang with the hottest team/offense in the league in the saints.

It’s how a Carolina Panthers team can go from looking explosive as hell early in the season to downright pathetic offensively in 4 of their last 5 games.


Look at the chiefs now. No Kareem Hunt, Sammy Watkins likely done for the season & they all of a sudden struggle to put away a bad raiders team...Just in time for one of the more tougher portions of their schedule.
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The chiefs are a big 12 offense. They gonna score. It's about out scoring their opponents. 2 losses by a combined 6 pts. Worse two scoring out puts 26 and 27 both wins. Watkins and hunt are just pieces. That qb a bad mofo. Probably the best in the league. I like this Texan team. They gonna get in a track meet at some point.
 
santo said:
This is the kind of stuff he can't get away with in the playoffs. Guys like Tomlin and Belichick will take advantage of it.
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I am not ready to start Bitchin' at the team yet. We are 9-3. == I would like to know how Belichick "takes advantage" of our Defense scoring a TD. I could be wrong but it still counts for 6 Points.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
The chiefs are a big 12 offense. They gonna score. It's about out scoring their opponents. 2 losses by a combined 6 pts. Worse two scoring out puts 26 and 27 both wins. Watkins and hunt are just pieces. That qb a bad mofo. Probably the best in the league. I like this Texan team. They gonna get in a track meet at some point.
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Exactly.which with teams like that whom stink on defense and win simply by outgunning u, all u really need to do is slow them down enough, by limiting their possessions and muck up the game. If they don’t score 30 they panic.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Ain't going to lie. I liked Kubiak.

I was willing to give BO'b a chance. Go back look at the threads before he actually started "coaching."

I didn't care for the way he couldn't handle the media. Like he's surprised every time they ask him a question. Then if they ask him a difficult question he blows up. He can't remember what just happened in the game with any detail.

Then I didn't like the college approach he took with the team.

Then I didn't like the way he acted like our team didn't know how to win... as if we had never been to the playoffs & won.

I didn't like his QB decisions then the way he seemed to flip flop on them... except Hoyer. It's as if he didn't have a plan.

& that's another thing. If he ever does look like he has a plan, he changes it quickly, as if he was way wrong. Don't get me wrong. I like a guy who can admit his mistakes. But so many?

But this is where we are. He is who he is. I am, & I have been for a long time, hoping he continues to get better.
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That post was your Last Chance. With that Attitude and Past History, you are not allowed to watch any Playoff Games after the Divisional Playoffs. I'm sorry but these decisions have to be made and sometimes it isn't pretty.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know what to think about that one.

KC still scored 40 points. The surprise, to me at least, is that the Raiders scored 33, which had nothing to do with Kareem Hunt or Sammy Watkins.

Now, if it were a 10-17 game, I could see your point.
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No HC wants to have to drop their qb back 38 times in a game; especially against the lowly Raiders. That happened b/c they couldn’t quite do what they wanted to do in the running game without Hunt to salt it away easily. Thats why u saw the RB by committee. Their rushing numbers look good, but none of those guys pose the threat that Hunt was. Furthermore, losing Hunt’s ability in the run game just puts more pressure on the offense to score every possession.

Like I said, They only got away with it b/c again it’s the Raiders. Seriously doubt though that they’ll be able to consistently hang 30-40 pts in the playoffs to win against better teams like that. That’s an extremely tall order when you’re likely going to have fewer possessions than you did in the regular season.
 
thunderkyss said:
The offense is more tested than the defense, imo. I'm more worried about Honey Badger & Reid being exposed by Brady, Mahomes, or Ben than I am about Miller showing his true face.
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Which is why they will need to put up 28-31 to win against those teams. Do you feel the offense with this OL can do this?

I would rather the Texans lose out in the 1st rd and fix the OL in the offseason than have Watson a multiple ACL guy get hurt playing the best teams in the NFL behind the current OL.

To beat the Chiefs/Pats/Steelers BOB is going to have open up the offense if they want to beat those teams and that doesn't bode well for Watson's health.

Of course my goal from the beginning of this season was to keep Watson healthy regardless of record, so the OL can get fixed this offseason.
 
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Mr teX said:
No HC wants to have to drop their qb back 38 times in a game; especially against the lowly Raiders. That happened b/c they couldn’t quite do what they wanted to do in the running game without Hunt to salt it away easily. Thats why u saw the RB by committee. Their rushing numbers look good, but none of those guys pose the threat that Hunt was. Furthermore, losing Hunt’s ability in the run game just puts more pressure on the offense to score every possession.

Like I said, They only got away with it b/c again it’s the Raiders. Seriously doubt though that they’ll be able to consistently hang 30-40 pts in the playoffs to win against better teams like that. That’s an extremely tall order when you’re likely going to have fewer possessions than you did in the regular season.
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You have all the answers.
 
steelbtexan said:
Which is why they will need to put up 28-31 to win against those teams. Do you feel the offense with this OL can do this?
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I would rather the Texans lose out in the 1st rd and fix the OL in the offseason than have Watson a multiple ACL guy get hurt playing the best teams in the NFL behind the current OL.

To beat the Chiefs/Pats/Steelers BOB is going to have open up the offense if they want to beat those teams and that doesn't bode well for Watson's health.

Of course my goal from the beginning of this season was to keep Watson healthy regardless of record, so the OL can get fixed this offseason.
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When I see the Patriots tank to "fix their OL" I'll believe this is what the good teams do.

Until then, I prefer they just keep winning until they can't. & yes, I think these Texans, with this OL can score 28+ against the Pat's & Chiefs... maybe not against the Steelers & Rams.
 
Mr teX said:
No HC wants to have to drop their qb back 38 times in a game; especially against the lowly Raiders. That happened b/c they couldn’t quite do what they wanted to do in the running game without Hunt to salt it away easily. Thats why u saw the RB by committee. Their rushing numbers look good, but none of those guys pose the threat that Hunt was. Furthermore, losing Hunt’s ability in the run game just puts more pressure on the offense to score every possession.

Like I said, They only got away with it b/c again it’s the Raiders. Seriously doubt though that they’ll be able to consistently hang 30-40 pts in the playoffs to win against better teams like that. That’s an extremely tall order when you’re likely going to have fewer possessions than you did in the regular season.
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Remember the

Tacks vs Chiefs last yr.

Although I'm not sure the Texans can score 27 vs the Chiefs. That's what I think it will take to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs even without Hunt.

Spencer Ware is a very solid back. Ware is good in short ydge, can catch the ball out of the backfield and is good in pass pro. What he wont give them that Hunt does is the dynamic plays.

BTW, I would like Ware to be signed by Gaine this offseaon. A Miller/Ware backfield looks pretty good to me.
 
thunderkyss said:
When I see the Patriots tank to "fix their OL" I'll believe this is what the good teams do.

Until then, I prefer they just keep winning until they can't. & yes, I think these Texans, with this OL can score 28+ against the Pat's & Chiefs... maybe not against the Steelers & Rams.
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I'm not saying I want them to tank.

I just want Watson to remain healthy 1st and foremost.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not saying I want them to tank.

I just want Watson to remain healthy 1st and foremost.
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Nobody can prevent Watson from getting injured. Player are tearing their ACL without getting touched. Players are getting rolled up on every freaking game. Defenses are diving at these QBS knees.

Having the best line in the business will not guarantee the qb will stay healthy.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Nobody can prevent Watson from getting injured. Player are tearing their ACL without getting touched. Players are getting rolled up on every freaking game. Defenses are dividing at these QBS knees.

Having the best line in the business will not guarantee the qb will stay healthy.
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There are no guarantees... but still you do everything you can
 
Texansballer74 said:
Nobody can prevent Watson from getting injured. Player are tearing their ACL without getting touched. Players are getting rolled up on every freaking game. Defenses are dividing at these QBS knees.

Having the best line in the business will not guarantee the qb will stay healthy.
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I realize that and also realize the number of hits Watson has taken behind this OL. BOB has changed the way he calls plays to help mitigate the number of hits Watson has been taking. Get the ol fixed and BOB will get to run the offense he envisions running.
 
Mr teX said:
You don't win 9 straight games "in spite of" a bad HC. In fact, players are more likely to open up a big can of quit on said HC if they feel they're such a detriment.

The schedule argument being used against the Texans is garbage though. For 1, as has been noted elsewhere on this forum, The Texans are at the top of the league in terms of strength of victory. At this very moment, All of the teams they've faced this year with the exception of the the Jags giants and Browns are .500 or better. That doesn't purport to change too much as we finish this final leg of the season. The other thing is where exactly are all these "quality" teams that the supposed much better Chiefs have beaten? Sure they beat the Steelers and Chargers..but we beat:

the Redskins - when they were at their best & leading the NFC east.
The Cowboys - who now lead the NFC east
& depending on what happens with PHI & DAL this weekend, we may end up deciding who wins that tight division when we face PHI later this year. Hell they could be leading the division by then.

Both KC and HOU have beaten DEN....& lost to NE. They're explosive offensively...we're explosive defensively. Reid is a solid offensive mind, but lets not act like BoB would be overmatched. Anyone who has watched any NFL ball over the last 20 years is well aware of Reid's shortcomings. The hype machine in Bristol and Culver City CA have you guys believing that they're waaaayyyyy better than us just b/c they score more points ppg. If they have an advantage, it ain't huge. Truth be told, it might just be the HFA that gives them the edge over us in the playoffs if we wind up facing them.

Finally here are the Final scores from 3 of the last 5 AFC championship games:

Jax: 20
NE: 24

Den: 20
NE: 18

NE: 16
Den: 26

Not exactly, the Chiefs vs Rams from earlier this year.
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The Texans have a .480 SOS, much closer to the easiest than the hardest. Show me a link for Strength of Victory. Slipping past Dallas in OT, Denver and the Dolts hardly qualifies as strong victories. The Texans have been on the good side of just about every break in the winning streak. Four wins by more than one score against the likes of the Dolphins, Jags, tAcks and Browns. That's called beating the teams you're supposed to beat. The other 5 the Texans just got lucky. I give OB props for not losing the locker room. I credit that more to the leaders on the team than OB. He's just not a good play-caller and his "scheme" appears ad-hoc.
http://www.espn.com.au/nfl/table/_/view/playoff
http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans
http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings
 
DocBar said:
The Texans have a .480 SOS, much closer to the easiest than the hardest. Show me a link for Strength of Victory. Slipping past Dallas in OT, Denver and the Dolts hardly qualifies as strong victories. The Texans have been on the good side of just about every break in the winning streak. Four wins by more than one score against the likes of the Dolphins, Jags, tAcks and Browns. That's called beating the teams you're supposed to beat. The other 5 the Texans just got lucky. I give OB props for not losing the locker room. I credit that more to the leaders on the team than OB. He's just not a good play-caller and his "scheme" appears ad-hoc.
http://www.espn.com.au/nfl/table/_/view/playoff
http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans
http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings
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OK........I will put you down as not being happy with 9-3.
 
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