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Any of you gonna admit to owing DW4 an apology?

steelbtexan

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Must've done something right the previous two years, I wonder what changed. Since you never offer any sort of diagnosis to ... well anything*, how about you give it a shot.

*This guy sucks after bad things happen, not much of an opinion. Kinda your shtick though.
Nope, I've often said Kubiak's best coaching job in Houston was the 12-4 season. He got more out of that team than most HC's possibly could have.
 

steelbtexan

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No you're assuming that I cant appreciate a 9 game win streak which I am, and have given Bob his due, but I wont sit idly by while you guys disparage and discredit what Kubiak did for the team, and how poorly he was treated on his way out and paint Obrien as some coaching savant.

I mean how do you explain giving a guy who came off a 4-12 season himself an extension? Like I've said it doesnt matter .. Kubiak won a ring as a head coach 2 years removed from the TExans telling him he didnt have what it takes. I guess he did have what it took huh? SIMPLE. AS. THAT.

So when people stop talking down on Kubiak like he was the sole reason that the team imploded in 2013 then I'll stop defending him. Just like you guys defend anything Obrien gets criticized for. So this topic can ride off into the sunset and I'd be fine with it because facts tell a different story and even further OUTCOMES close the subject entirely. FINITO.
I'm not disparaging Kubiak or do I think BOB is a coaching savant.

To answer your questions.

1. He was extended and Ricky was fired because Ricky wasn't very good at his job.
2. Ricky not giving Kubiak the depth that he needed and or focusing on fixing things like the ST's and safety play along with his backstabbing lead to Kubiak's demise in Houston. Dont believe me then why do you think one of Kubiak's relatives on the board refers to Smith as Trick Ricky?

I answered you questions so now you answer mine, was it

1. Kubiak did a bad job with all of the talent that Scooter listed.
2. The talent was aging and wasn't as good as Scooter makes it out to be.

See: here's the thing I like both Kubiak and BOB but think they both are just avg HC's.

Kubiak was treated far more badly by Ricky than anything I could post on this MB.
 

Scooter

Funky
Nope, I've often said Kubiak's best coaching job in Houston was the 12-4 season. He got more out of that team than most HC's possibly could have.
Lol no, this may actually be the first time you've even acknowledged the fact that we went 12-4.

I drink a LOT, but either you're just a troll or your memory is impossibly worse than mine. Seriously, your posts contradict so much it's hard to keep track of. "Offensive line ... hate Kubiak, Smith, McNair". I'm a little worried if that's all you remember and post current thoughts as they come.
 

steelbtexan

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Lol no, this may actually be the first time you've even acknowledged the fact that we went 12-4.

I drink a LOT, but either you're just a troll or your memory is impossibly worse than mine. Seriously, your posts contradict so much it's hard to keep track of. "Offensive line ... hate Kubiak, Smith, McNair". I'm a little worried if that's all you remember and post current thoughts as they come.
This is the best you can do?

LOL
 

Scooter

Funky
Sadly it is, you make my brain hurt. I've put you on ignore several times because of said contradictions and predictable posts without ever having substance - no why, no history, no diagnostic, no football ... just "I don't like" with a bit of college "I want". If you didn't post so dang often, it would keep.
 

edromeo

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Most sacks charged directly to QBs @PFF_Steve

Dak Prescott 13(34%)
Patrick Mahomes 9(45%)
Russell Wilson 8(23%)
Deshaun Watson 7(18%)
Mitchell Trubisky 7(36%)
Jared Goff 7(29%)

I added the percentages so you could see the percentage of each QBs sacks that they account for. I've been told at various points this year that the vast majority of sacks and hits Watson takes are his fault, even taking the 7 sacks that are on him out the remaining 30 still leave him as a top 10 most sacked QB. Pretty clear that he is in line, and actually better than some other young QBs, as this is generally a young QB issue. There was another chart I lost, but it showed DW4 has been the most pressured QB inside of 3 seconds from the snap.
That's always been a strength of Watson going back to Clemson. Getting rid of the ball quickly and escaping sacks.
 

Texas Jake

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That's always been a strength of Watson going back to Clemson. Getting rid of the ball quickly and escaping sacks.
There are times he tries to extend plays he should give up on and just get rid of the ball. I would like to see him get better at knowing when to to throw it away and that should improve as he gets more experience.

That said, I don't think he he should fundamentally change the way he is playing. Not giving up and extending plays is a big part of what makes him great. One area he does need to improve, though, is knowing when trying to extend the play is a bad thing—like when there aren't many ticks left on the clock and each one is precious.
 

Scooter

Funky
so when are we going to change the title of this thread to 'Celebrity Death Match Head Coach Edition: Gary Kubiak vs. Bill O'Brien'?
Was literally thinking about Celebrity Death Match yesterday. LET'S GET IT ON!

One has 5 rings and surrounded by hall of famers. The other couldn't even get a ring surrounded by hall of famers. Should be a quick match.
 

steelbtexan

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Sadly it is, you make my brain hurt. I've put you on ignore several times because of said contradictions and predictable posts without ever having substance - no why, no history, no diagnostic, no football ... just "I don't like" with a bit of college "I want". If you didn't post so dang often, it would keep.
Put me back on ignore then.

BTW, I like the job Gaine did adding talent to the ST's and hiring Seely. Also adding the best safety play since this franchises inception. I also like that he drafted the 2 young and talented TE's I'm really high on Jordan Thomas. Also the Coutee/Carter slot WR's are the best that have been provided to BOB since he's been here.

Also despite what you think I like the job BOB has done now that the Ricky albatross has been lifted from his neck.

Feel free to disagree with me but dont think everything I put out there is negative. I think that this team will be a true (Not paper tiger) championship contender after Gaine fixes the OL this offseason. (How's that for optimism.)

It must be killing you that despite Ricky, BOB has accomplished as much as Kubiak did in his time here.

BTW, it's good to see you monitoring my posting habits. I must be really hard for you to ignore.
 
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Texas Jake

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Was literally thinking about Celebrity Death Match yesterday. LET'S GET IT ON!

One has 5 rings and surrounded by hall of famers. The other couldn't even get a ring surrounded by hall of famers. Should be a quick match.
BOB 9 game winning streak. Kubiak never had a nine game winning streak as a head coach.

Kubiak 11 game losing streak. BOB never been part of an 11 game losing streak.

Honestly I am really tired of all this Kubiak vs BOB talk. Kubiak is gone and is never coming back. BOB is who we got now. Both are good coaches. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Neither is perfect.
 

steelbtexan

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BOB 9 game winning streak. Kubiak never had a nine game winning streak as a head coach.

Kubiak 11 game losing streak. BOB never been part of an 11 game losing streak.

Honestly I am really tired of all this Kubiak vs BOB talk. Kubiak is gone and is never coming back. BOB is who we got now. Both are good coaches. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Neither is perfect.
^^^^
This

Though you would never think they BOTH have strengths and weaknesses.
 

steelbtexan

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One of you guys needs to start a Kubiak vs OB thread so this one can get back to the stupid apology crap
Though shall not speak ill of Kubiak around these parts must be a TT commandment.

Yep, I'll be apologizing to players the minute they start depositing checks into my account.
 

Scooter

Funky
One of you guys needs to start a Kubiak vs OB thread so this one can get back to the stupid apology crap
Nah, I'm the one who gets defensive and repetitive, best that I take the hint and step away for a bit. For a final word I was enjoying the streak and am on record actually saying quite a few nice things about O'dumbass lol.
 

maverick512000

Hall of Fame
1st of all, BOB isn't my coach.

2nd of all if it takes stroking out on the sideline to prove you've done something, then I hope BOB never accomplishes your goals of him being as good as Kubiak.

3rd of all BOB has accomplished the same amount of success with Kubiak's GM who he cant stand. Then BOB gets his GM and sets a franchise record winning streak and that's not good enough for you. Plus when you add in the fact that Kubiak's GM left Gaine/BOB no 1st/2nd rd picks, I happen to think BOB has done a great job of keeping the team together and overcoming an 0-3 start. Most of which was Watson coming back from ACL and BOB's own doing.

You cant even appreciate the 9 game win streak that was accomplished by BOB's team when Watson was playing with broken ribs and a punctured lung.

It's a tough crowd here on TT. Or maybe their blind love of all things Kubiak has clouded their vision.
These two things have to be tied together because losing those two picks was the cost of getting Watson. If we can get an O line that can actually keep him healthy it was picks well spent. Say what you want about what Rick Smith did or did not leave Gaine and BoB with but one thing he did leave them with is possibly the best QB we've had in franchise history. That alone to me earns him some respect as this is still a QB driven sport and getting a franchise QB should be how GM legacy's are mainly judged in my book. Very rarely do you see a team go all the way on the defense or running game and never see it repeated the following year.

I give credit to BoB for turning around what seemed to be a lost cause but I also give credit to Smith for giving him many of the tools needed, including the best one in Watson, to turn that around. Even the greatest coaches can't win without at least some talent on the field and most of that talent Smith put there.
 

maverick512000

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https://houston.cbslocal.com/2016/11/15/bill-obrien-continues-game-management-issues-in-third-year-as-head-coach/

https://houston.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/obrien-game-management-mistakes-cost-the-texans-again/

"Thank you Vance you stupid ************" ... "Yea Brian, we won a game, Is that OK Brian"

Thats your coach. My coach almost died for the team on the sidelines, what has yours done?
This is such an asinine statement. Kubiak didn't "almost died for the team" he was doing his job and he wanted to finish it. I worked a turn around and right in the middle of it the project manager had a heart attack in the damn unit. They airlifted him out and a week later he came back to finish the project and then retire. He wasn't willing to die for the company he wanted to finish his career out his way and get that big end of project bonus check.

Kubiak wasn't some John Wayne never give up, die with your boots on man's man, he was simply a man doing his job and wanted to see it through now that he was on the edge of getting the ultimate prize. Sure the check he no doubt got for winning a SB didn't hurt either. he was a good coach and seemed a pretty good fellow but lets not start building statues to him.
 

FuzzyLogic

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If they are fighting to the death - I'm taking OB, I don't picture Kube's as much of a fighter - and more than likely OB would just keep shouting F*CK until Kube's passed out from the profanity overload :D
 

steelbtexan

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These two things have to be tied together because losing those two picks was the cost of getting Watson. If we can get an O line that can actually keep him healthy it was picks well spent. Say what you want about what Rick Smith did or did not leave Gaine and BoB with but one thing he did leave them with is possibly the best QB we've had in franchise history. That alone to me earns him some respect as this is still a QB driven sport and getting a franchise QB should be how GM legacy's are mainly judged in my book. Very rarely do you see a team go all the way on the defense or running game and never see it repeated the following year.

I give credit to BoB for turning around what seemed to be a lost cause but I also give credit to Smith for giving him many of the tools needed, including the best one in Watson, to turn that around. Even the greatest coaches can't win without at least some talent on the field and most of that talent Smith put there.
Getting rid of Os cost the 2nd. (Stupidity at its best.)

He left so much. Nothing at TE/S the OL still is bad, no slot WR and I guess you like Miller/Blue.

Not to mention 11 yrs of bad ST's play that was finally fixed in the 1st season without Smith.

Maybe we just have a different view of (Great Shape.)
 

steelbtexan

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This is such an asinine statement. Kubiak didn't "almost died for the team" he was doing his job and he wanted to finish it. I worked a turn around and right in the middle of it the project manager had a heart attack in the damn unit. They airlifted him out and a week later he came back to finish the project and then retire. He wasn't willing to die for the company he wanted to finish his career out his way and get that big end of project bonus check.

Kubiak wasn't some John Wayne never give up, die with your boots on man's man, he was simply a man doing his job and wanted to see it through now that he was on the edge of getting the ultimate prize. Sure the check he no doubt got for winning a SB didn't hurt either. he was a good coach and seemed a pretty good fellow but lets not start building statues to him.
Very reasonable post.
 

Texansballer74

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Man to have all of these great players on the team and still finish 2-14 Kubiak must have done a really crappy job. Or the talent you listed was 1. Keenum (Under developed) 2. Aging 3. Injured

You know the reason why they went 2-14. I really don't understand why yall keep spewing out the negatives but refuses to acknowledge the positives. And if you're going to continue to do this for one regime, you have to do it for the other as well. But no the later regime gets a pass for going 4-12 huh.
 

Shishkabob

All Pro
You know the reason why they went 2-14. I really don't understand why yall keep spewing out the negatives but refuses to acknowledge the positives. And if you're going to continue to do this for one regime, you have to do it for the other as well. But no the later regime gets a pass for going 4-12 huh.
The real question is how does any of this apply to Deshaun Watson?
 
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Texansballer74

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BOB 9 game winning streak. Kubiak never had a nine game winning streak as a head coach.

Kubiak 11 game losing streak. BOB never been part of an 11 game losing streak.

Honestly I am really tired of all this Kubiak vs BOB talk. Kubiak is gone and is never coming back. BOB is who we got now. Both are good coaches. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Neither is perfect.

During the 2012 season we went 11-1. Was one of the hottest teams in the NFL. Finish 12-4 because of the injury to Matt Schaub.

Going 9-0 is very impressive but 11-1 is too. And you can say the same for Obrien right. He never went 11-1 in the teams first 12 games.


And yes this argument is getting very old.
 

Shishkabob

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During the 2012 season we went 11-1. Was one of the hottest teams in the NFL. Finish 12-4 because of the injury to Matt Schaub.

Going 9-0 is very impressive but 11-1 is too. And you can say the same for Obrien right. He never went 11-1 in the teams first 12 games.


And yes this argument is getting very old.
can i jump on you for not knowing your Texan's history? Schuab was injured in 2011, he played all of 2012 the team just choked down the stretch.

Now can we get back on topic?
 

Texas Jake

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During the 2012 season we went 11-1. Was one of the hottest teams in the NFL. Finish 12-4 because of the injury to Matt Schaub.

Going 9-0 is very impressive but 11-1 is too. And you can say the same for Obrien right. He never went 11-1 in the teams first 12 games.


And yes this argument is getting very old.
My point was you can bring up stats to argue either side and it really doesn't prove anything that is relevant.
 

steelbtexan

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You know the reason why they went 2-14. I really don't understand why yall keep spewing out the negatives but refuses to acknowledge the positives. And if you're going to continue to do this for one regime, you have to do it for the other as well. But no the later regime gets a pass for going 4-12 huh.
What was the positive of that regime?

Certainly not true contenders during that time. Hopefully Gaine and BOB can change that. Arguably it's already already happened in year one. I think even you would admit the culture down on Kiby is changing.
 

steelbtexan

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During the 2012 season we went 11-1. Was one of the hottest teams in the NFL. Finish 12-4 because of the injury to Matt Schaub.

Going 9-0 is very impressive but 11-1 is too. And you can say the same for Obrien right. He never went 11-1 in the teams first 12 games.


And yes this argument is getting very old.
He's working on an 11-1 stretch.

Like I said before Kubiak did a his best job ever coaching that team that yr.

BTW, Schaub played in the playoffs that yr. How many games did he miss that yr?
 

steelbtexan

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Watson appears to be healthy again and that makes the Texans a very dangerous team. I cant wait to see how Gaine fixes the OL this offseason. Hopefully Watson can stay healthy behind this OL.
 

thunderkyss

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Started 2-14 with Andre Johnson and a team lesser than it's expansion, and even more in debt. Finished 2-14 with a top 3 offensive line, two #1 receivers, the #1 runningback, a quarterback who took the Vikings to the NFC championship, 3x defensive MVP, two starting corners that have anchored a top 10 defense for most of a decade, would've had safeties on that list but even you Steel recognize this one ... I'm sure that I'm missing a few others. You sound like someone needing to have their diaper changed each time you wet fart '2-14'. It's a convenience to you to like my explanations, what do YOU think caused 2-14? Logic seems to go by the wayside. Almost the exact same staff, a similar or lesser defensive roster, a MUCH lesser offense - and yet Kubiak gets to the Superbowl with Osweiler and Elway's gifts, where as we scrap the project because of a bad season that McNair and bad luck uckfed into oblivion.
For the most part I concur with your assessment of the Kubiak years. But on the one hand you mention all the talent Kubiak left BO'b. O. The other hand you mention the Super Bowl with Osweiler... Manning.

I mean you also mention Case led the Vikings to the NFCCG.

doesn't that scream under achievement in H-town?
 

Texansballer74

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can i jump on you for not knowing your Texan's history? Schuab was injured in 2011, he played all of 2012 the team just choked down the stretch.

Now can we get back on topic?

Wrong!!! Matt did get injured and started playing like ****. Know your history before taking a crap on mines. And I didn't say anything about him missing any games. Just said he got injured
 

thunderkyss

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ON TOPIC .. man can you imagine Watson in a Gary Kubiak WCO system? That would be something to behold.
Which is why I don't understand why folks say Schaub was Kubiak's hand picked QB. He was as much Kubiak's hand picked QB as Osweiler was BO'bs.

Yeah, they both agreed to the acquisition. The best option on the market. Only difference is that Kubiak did his job, adjusted, & coached the talent he was given like any good HC who isn't in charge of acquiring players.

BO'b pouted & tried to throw a bigger tantrum than big baby Osweiler.
 

JB

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Which is why I don't understand why folks say Schaub was Kubiak's hand picked QB. He was as much Kubiak's hand picked QB as Osweiler was BO'bs.

Yeah, they both agreed to the acquisition. The best option on the market. Only difference is that Kubiak did his job, adjusted, & coached the talent he was given like any good HC who isn't in charge of acquiring players.

BO'b pouted & tried to throw a bigger tantrum than big baby Osweiler.
I know you like to be controversial and stir the pot but c'mon man
 

Shishkabob

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Wrong!!! Matt did get injured and started playing like ****. Know your history before taking a crap on mines. And I didn't say anything about him missing any games. Just said he got injured
hmmm here is a break down of the Texans injuries in 2012, It shows Schaub having a probable designation for weeks 3 and 4, and then remained off the injury report the rest of the year. He also posted the 3rd best season of his career that year. The team didn't under achieve because of Schaub, the team under achieved because they were paper tigers and Kubiak could never get them to play up to the top talent in the league.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2012_injuries.htm
 

Uncle Rico

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This is such an asinine statement. Kubiak didn't "almost died for the team" he was doing his job and he wanted to finish it. I worked a turn around and right in the middle of it the project manager had a heart attack in the damn unit. They airlifted him out and a week later he came back to finish the project and then retire. He wasn't willing to die for the company he wanted to finish his career out his way and get that big end of project bonus check.

Kubiak wasn't some John Wayne never give up, die with your boots on man's man, he was simply a man doing his job and wanted to see it through now that he was on the edge of getting the ultimate prize. Sure the check he no doubt got for winning a SB didn't hurt either. he was a good coach and seemed a pretty good fellow but lets not start building statues to him.
You're entitled to your opinion, interesting story about your boss, only difference being your boss had incentives to 'come back' ... Kubiak did not; he had guranteed money no matter what and he still worked 18 hour days, and then you have Bill Obrien getting a 5 year extension after a 4-12 season? Lame.

My frustration with the topic is the redundancy in cherry picked data and revisionist history. You're jumping into the fray after people have already reached their boiling point (myself definitely) and im fine letting it die .. as long as those Obrien supporters dont rehash it with some stupid comment or comparison between the two because there is no comparison. Gary Kubiak is by far a better coach than Bill Obrien BY FAR NOT EVEN CLOSE end of story there is no debating that, it would serve the pro Obrien crowd good to at the very least recognize that so the very premise of the argument can be agreed to and we can move on. I will always jump up to defend Koobs. Great guy, great coach and he deserved better. Thats my opinion. Gary Kubiak himself proved all the doubters wrong. His thumbprint left the Houston TExans and Baltimore RAvens in good offensive shape until they were torn down for 'better systems' and then he won it all in Denver with the same coaching staff he had in Houston what more can you ask for?

Obrien has a chance. I hate his coaching style, but I cant argue with results. Problem has been we have been rewarding this guy for being mediocre and breaking down Kubiak for being just as mediocre? Im passionate about this subject because Kubiak embodies everything I want in a coach and I despise Obriens snide remarks, how he treats the media, how he treats other coaches and players. He's a fake tough guy. Some people like that, i dont and nobody can make me feel otherwise. Good for Obrien, he's finally winning. You cant argue with results so he gets a pass from me until further notice, but you bet your ass that as soon as he starts making the same stupid ass mistakes and ridiculous in game coaching errors I'll be leading the burning torch and pitchfork posse up the hill.

After all the back and forth squabbaling, and dick measuring and 'my dad can beat up your dad' posts NOBODY has definitively stated Obriens strengths LOL .. maybe since you are feeling pretty strongly you could begin that dialogue so we could create a productive and civil conversation.

WHAT IS OBRIEN GOOD AT???
 

steelbtexan

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You're entitled to your opinion, interesting story about your boss, only difference being your boss had incentives to 'come back' ... Kubiak did not; he had guranteed money no matter what and he still worked 18 hour days, and then you have Bill Obrien getting a 5 year extension after a 4-12 season? Lame.

My frustration with the topic is the redundancy in cherry picked data and revisionist history. You're jumping into the fray after people have already reached their boiling point (myself definitely) and im fine letting it die .. as long as those Obrien supporters dont rehash it with some stupid comment or comparison between the two because there is no comparison. Gary Kubiak is by far a better coach than Bill Obrien BY FAR NOT EVEN CLOSE end of story there is no debating that, it would serve the pro Obrien crowd good to at the very least recognize that so the very premise of the argument can be agreed to and we can move on. I will always jump up to defend Koobs. Great guy, great coach and he deserved better. Thats my opinion. Gary Kubiak himself proved all the doubters wrong. His thumbprint left the Houston TExans and Baltimore RAvens in good offensive shape until they were torn down for 'better systems' and then he won it all in Denver with the same coaching staff he had in Houston what more can you ask for?

Obrien has a chance. I hate his coaching style, but I cant argue with results. Problem has been we have been rewarding this guy for being mediocre and breaking down Kubiak for being just as mediocre? Im passionate about this subject because Kubiak embodies everything I want in a coach and I despise Obriens snide remarks, how he treats the media, how he treats other coaches and players. He's a fake tough guy. Some people like that, i dont and nobody can make me feel otherwise. Good for Obrien, he's finally winning. You cant argue with results so he gets a pass from me until further notice, but you bet your ass that as soon as he starts making the same stupid ass mistakes and ridiculous in game coaching errors I'll be leading the burning torch and pitchfork posse up the hill.

After all the back and forth squabbaling, and dick measuring and 'my dad can beat up your dad' posts NOBODY has definitively stated Obriens strengths LOL .. maybe since you are feeling pretty strongly you could begin that dialogue so we could create a productive and civil conversation.

WHAT IS OBRIEN GOOD AT???
I liked Kubiak personally great guy, avg coach. As far as BOB and how he treats the media I dont care anything about that. (Ask a stupid question an you get treated not well. Which HC does that remind you of?) As for how he treats his players well they did start out 0-3 and he kept the team together. They respect him and play hard for him. That's his greatest strength. He's done a great job winning games despite obvious weaknesses on this roster.

Now that he's got a GM with the same vision as him good times are ahead. Instead of looking at all of the negatives just look at the positives that the Gaine/BOB regime has accomplished this yr in fixing the roster and the fact they did this with no 1st/2nd rd picks speaks well of what they should be able to accomplish in the future.

Since you personally dont like BOB I'm sure you will not be fair and calling for his head after every loss and there will be losses. But know this, good times are ahead.
 

steelbtexan

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He's good at masking a below average offensive line. He has the respect of his players. He's very good at second half adjustments in both the game and the year. He's good at working with his coaches. He's develops QBs well (objectively they've all had their best seasons after coaching from O'Brien.)
Cant wait to hear from the mob.
 
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maverick512000

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He's good at masking a below average offensive line. He has the respect of his players. He's very good at second half adjustments in both the game and the year. He's good at working with his coaches. He's develops QBs well (objectively they've all had their best seasons after coaching from O'Brien.)
That one maybe a bit of a stretch, yes on one hand they did have their best seasons but on the other hand...........Tom Savage and Ryan Mallet say hi. Also on that note he has a bad habit of yanking his QB and switching starters week to week. Now in fairness that could be just throwing everything at the wall and praying something sticks but still. Even the best argument, Hoyer, ended up curled into a fetal position in the middle of the field when it mattered. Perhaps its better to say he good at refining QBs that are already talented and making them franchise QBs but not so good at picking QBs or turning chicken **** into chicken salad.
 
That one maybe a bit of a stretch, yes on one hand they did have their best seasons but on the other hand...........Tom Savage and Ryan Mallet say hi. Also on that note he has a bad habit of yanking his QB and switching starters week to week. Now in fairness that could be just throwing everything at the wall and praying something sticks but still. Even the best argument, Hoyer, ended up curled into a fetal position in the middle of the field when it mattered. Perhaps its better to say he good at refining QBs that are already talented and making them franchise QBs but not so good at picking QBs or turning chicken **** into chicken salad.
No, Bill O'Brien is not magic.

Also, to be fair, Osweiler had his worst season under O'Brien, so there's that. But on the whole they all improved their game despite many seasons among the group elsewhere.
 
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