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Seegara

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Assuming Watson can stay on the field I think the Texans will finish better than 5th out of the 4 division teams in 2018.

#1 Jags. With a good organization, there's no way this team lets it slip away all at once.
#2 Texans. Because of Watson, if he stays healthy. But they can't win it with a bad coach.
#3 Colts. Will be in the running if they can attract a great OC to coach them.
#4 Titans. By default, although not a bad group. This division no longer the AC doormat.
 
Seegara said:
Assuming Watson can stay on the field I think the Texans will finish better than 5th out of the 4 division teams in 2018.

#1 Jags. With a good organization, there's no way this team lets it slip away all at once.
#2 Texans. Because of Watson, if he stays healthy. But they can't win it with a bad coach.
#3 Colts. Will be in the running if they can attract a great OC to coach them.
#4 Titans. By default, although not a bad group. This division no longer the AC doormat.
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Re #1Jags - if they loose three top tier pieces like the Texans did, they could most definitely slip.
Same with any team.
 
From USA TODAY:

Ranking every NFL team by their ability to get better this offseason
By: Steven Ruiz | February 19, 2018 11:52 am

With the NFL offseason set to kick off in a few weeks (March 14, to be exact), let’s take a look at which teams have put themselves in position to really improve their rosters this spring.

In order to get a good picture of which teams will have the resources to do so (and which teams will not), we’ve put together what we’re calling the NFL offseason asset rankings. The methodology is simple, we’ve ranked every team based on how much cap space they’ll have (via Spotrac) and how much value they can expect to add in the draft based on Chase Stuart’s “Draft Value Chart.”

We’ve combined those two measures to rank all 32 teams based on the resources they’ll have to use this offseason. Here are the composite rankings, which include where each team ranks in terms of draft capital and cap space…

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CloakNNNdagger said:
From USA TODAY:

Ranking every NFL team by their ability to get better this offseason
By: Steven Ruiz | February 19, 2018 11:52 am

With the NFL offseason set to kick off in a few weeks (March 14, to be exact), let’s take a look at which teams have put themselves in position to really improve their rosters this spring.

In order to get a good picture of which teams will have the resources to do so (and which teams will not), we’ve put together what we’re calling the NFL offseason asset rankings. The methodology is simple, we’ve ranked every team based on how much cap space they’ll have (via Spotrac) and how much value they can expect to add in the draft based on Chase Stuart’s “Draft Value Chart.”

We’ve combined those two measures to rank all 32 teams based on the resources they’ll have to use this offseason. Here are the composite rankings, which include where each team ranks in terms of draft capital and cap space…

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The bottom 7 are regulars in post season play. 6 of those 7 have either played in a Super Bowl or competed in one over the last 15 years. The top 13 have been also rans or never ran over that period of time.

I'd be OK with the 32nd draft ranking and the high amount of salary cap space if there was going to be an excess of free agency talent coming down the pike. But there isn't and if I were a highly sought after free agent I'd look at San Fran before Houston. I like Watson but I like Jimmy G better. And to be frank, although Houston is my hometown it's a crap place to live compared to San Francisco (and many other places in the CONUS). TBH, once my parents die I'm moving as far away from the gulf coast as possible. I certainly wouldn't hang around just to watch the Texans...lol.

Back to the thread, I don't expect the Texans to improve much, if at all. They may be worse in 2018 than they were in 2017. Would it surprise anyone?
 
banned1976 said:
The bottom 7 are regulars in post season play. 6 of those 7 have either played in a Super Bowl or competed in one over the last 15 years. The top 13 have been also rans or never ran over that period of time.

I'd be OK with the 32nd draft ranking and the high amount of salary cap space if there was going to be an excess of free agency talent coming down the pike. But there isn't and if I were a highly sought after free agent I'd look at San Fran before Houston. I like Watson but I like Jimmy G better. And to be frank, although Houston is my hometown it's a crap place to live compared to San Francisco (and many other places in the CONUS). TBH, once my parents die I'm moving as far away from the gulf coast as possible. I certainly wouldn't hang around just to watch the Texans...lol.

Back to the thread, I don't expect the Texans to improve much, if at all. They may be worse in 2018 than they were in 2017. Would it surprise anyone?
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I like Houston alot more than you do. I really dont like San Francisco, it's too cold/misty/dreary. I love Napa Valley though.

Agreed on the football points. Now that Lil Shanny has Jimmy G look out great things are ahead for that franchise.
 
banned1976 said:
The bottom 7 are regulars in post season play. 6 of those 7 have either played in a Super Bowl or competed in one over the last 15 years. The top 13 have been also rans or never ran over that period of time.

I'd be OK with the 32nd draft ranking and the high amount of salary cap space if there was going to be an excess of free agency talent coming down the pike. But there isn't and if I were a highly sought after free agent I'd look at San Fran before Houston. I like Watson but I like Jimmy G better. And to be frank, although Houston is my hometown it's a crap place to live compared to San Francisco (and many other places in the CONUS). TBH, once my parents die I'm moving as far away from the gulf coast as possible. I certainly wouldn't hang around just to watch the Texans...lol.

Back to the thread, I don't expect the Texans to improve much, if at all. They may be worse in 2018 than they were in 2017. Would it surprise anyone?
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If the Texans are worse, yeah that would surprise me. The Texans excel at being 9-7 and rapidly disappearing from the playoffs, anything other than that is what would surprise me.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From USA TODAY:

Ranking every NFL team by their ability to get better this offseason
By: Steven Ruiz | February 19, 2018 11:52 am

With the NFL offseason set to kick off in a few weeks (March 14, to be exact), let’s take a look at which teams have put themselves in position to really improve their rosters this spring.

In order to get a good picture of which teams will have the resources to do so (and which teams will not), we’ve put together what we’re calling the NFL offseason asset rankings. The methodology is simple, we’ve ranked every team based on how much cap space they’ll have (via Spotrac) and how much value they can expect to add in the draft based on Chase Stuart’s “Draft Value Chart.”

We’ve combined those two measures to rank all 32 teams based on the resources they’ll have to use this offseason. Here are the composite rankings, which include where each team ranks in terms of draft capital and cap space…

screen-shot-2018-02-19-at-11-45-10-am.jpg
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Free agency is gonna be huge for us.
 
banned1976 said:
And to be frank, although Houston is my hometown it's a crap place to live compared to San Francisco (and many other places in the CONUS). TBH, once my parents die I'm moving as far away from the gulf coast as possible. I certainly wouldn't hang around just to watch the Texans...lol.
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Have you ever lived there... or anywhere besides Houston?
 
Thorn said:
I don't care what's said about Houston, and it probably isn't all that great, but I ain't living anywhere that has real winters. I can't handle that ****.
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It's amazing how your tolerance to climate depends on what you've experienced. I begin to melt if the temperature gets above 18C (64F) and thats without real humidity as well. Below around 5C (48F) is hibernation weather also :ahhaha:.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Houston alot more than you do. I really dont like San Francisco, it's too cold/misty/dreary. I love Napa Valley though.

Agreed on the football points. Now that Lil Shanny has Jimmy G look out great things are ahead for that franchise.
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I’ve gone back and rewatched the last 7-8 games on Game Pass thinking I missed something as the 2017 season came to a close, but I just don’t see all this greatness lots of posters in here see. If anything, I’m even more happy that Deshaun Watson is our QB. Just my personal opinion.
 
Mangler said:
I’ve gone back and rewatched the last 7-8 games on Game Pass thinking I missed something as the 2017 season came to a close, but I just don’t see all this greatness lots of posters in here see. If anything, I’m even more happy that Deshaun Watson is our QB. Just my personal opinion.
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I've done that also and I came away with some pretty obvious conclusions: Watt and Merci staying healthy should instantly make the secondary appear better, the Texans really need to address RB and the OL was just abysmal. If the Texans can overhaul the OL, ala 2017 Vikings, I see plenty of potential, even with the current stable of RB's. I really hope they bring back JJo, but only at a cap friendly deal.
 
welsh texan said:
It's amazing how your tolerance to climate depends on what you've experienced. I begin to melt if the temperature gets above 18C (64F) and thats without real humidity as well. Below around 5C (48F) is hibernation weather also :ahhaha:.
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I was thinking that last Sunday as I was cleaning snow off my car. It was ~30*F and I was in a T-shirt and perfectly comfortable.
 
Thorn said:
I don't care what's said about Houston, and it probably isn't all that great, but I ain't living anywhere that has real winters. I can't handle that ****.
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I don't mind the cold as long as there's rain, but I hate the humid heat of inland Texas summers.
 
Teams with most leverage appear to be true dogs (dogging it big time) atempting some kinda hyperbolic warp drive fueled with largest cap space and most draft gold.

Which brings me to the Texans who’s primary reason to have so much cap space is they gifted away picks by making bad decision after bad decision now ranking dead last with least valued draft picks. Quite unique approach I must say, will be fascinating to watch how this all resolves itself.
 
infantrycak said:
They didn't gift away the 1st for Watson.
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Nope, but they did gift away a 2nd to get rid of Os.

Question, would you have rather fixed the OL last yr and kept the 2018 1st then signed Cousins in FA, knowing that you would have the 4th pick in this yrs draft and Watson would suffer his 2nd ACL?

I dont think I would change, but I think this is worth a true discussion.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, but they did gift away a 2nd to get rid of Os.

Question, would you have rather fixed the OL last yr and kept the 2018 1st then signed Cousins in FA, knowing that you would have the 4th pick in this yrs draft and Watson would suffer his 2nd ACL?

I dont think I would change, but I think this is worth a true discussion.
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Nah, just a futile exercise of hindsight, They did give away a 2nd, everything else is what if
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, but they did gift away a 2nd to get rid of Os.

Question, would you have rather fixed the OL last yr and kept the 2018 1st then signed Cousins in FA, knowing that you would have the 4th pick in this yrs draft and Watson would suffer his 2nd ACL?

I dont think I would change, but I think this is worth a true discussion.
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I would've rebuilt the offensive line .... beginning in the draft before last. The second round pick in exchange for $10 million was the move that convinced me the FO was not interested in building a winning team, but far too concerned with making money. But like you, I don't think I would change either. I've watched a few of last year's games, and Watson is so incredibly talented. But then, this is a rare crop of QBs .... and the offensive line talent has been pretty strong over the last two years. I think I could argue from either side .... but, no matter what, I would have a 2nd round pick this season !
 
infantrycak said:
They didn't gift away the 1st for Watson.
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Texans gifted Rick Smith, four more years. Kubiak was not alone in blame.

Texans gifted Hoyer, they gifted Mallet, gifted Savage and course, Osweiler.

Gifted secondary db’s from Jackson, to Joseph and Hal but took Bouye for granted and were not proactive to lock him up gifting Jacksonville shutdown corner Texans will have to face twice a year for several more seasons w/chip on his shoulder. Perfect!

Texans gifted Seattle the Texans only great LT in franchise history because of money. Although this wasn’t complete gift, Texans do get Seattle’s 2nd rd pick 2019, it still looks bad and could have been avoided during camp (except for policy) ultimately given Watson more protection. Does it really do any good to gift away a draft for a QB if you don’t protect him?

Is it just me or is anybody annoyed by O’Brians clock management? Constantly gifting other teams free minutes (end of half or game) that often result in scoring plays for them not us.

Not sure if this is all on Rick or not but it hurts when they need to trade down instead of trading up over and over (don’t count after 2nd day or round 3). Hindsight is 20/20 but there has been a lot of gifting there as well.
 
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beerlover said:
Texans gifted Rick Smith, four more years. Kubiak was not alone in blame.

Texans gifted Hoyer, they gifted Mallet, gifted Savage and course, Osweiler.

Gifted secondary db’s from Jackson, to Joseph and Hal but took Bouye for granted and were not proactive to lock him up gifting Jacksonville shutdown corner Texans will have to face twice a year for several more seasons w/chip on his shoulder. Perfect!

Texans gifted Seattle the Texans only great LT in franchise history because of money. Although this wasn’t complete gift, Texans do get Seattle’s 2nd rd pick 2019, it still looks bad and could have been avoided during camp (except for policy) ultimately given Watson more protection. Does it really do any good to gift away a draft for a QB if you don’t protect him?

Is it just me or is anybody annoyed by O’Brians clock management? Constantly gifting other teams free minutes (end of half or game) that often result in scoring plays for them not us.

Not sure if this is all on Rick or not but it hurts when they need to trade down instead of trading up over and over (don’t count after 2nd day or round 3). Hindsight is 20/20 but there has been a lot of gifting there as well.
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Kubiak couldn't overcome the Schaub injury and it doomed him here.

Hoyer was Hoyer, we got what was to be expected of him. Mallet was a gamble on a big arm but a head case. Savage was a late-round gamble that we honestly got more than expected out of. (though why he was anointed a starter w/o a single NFL TD to his name makes you wonder about our coaching)

Bouye was a victim of money put aside for Romo. He was a victim of timing as much as anything. (Though why he wasn't started earlier makes you wonder about our coaching)

Duane Brown (much like Hopkins a year earlier), felt himself to be a victim of policy. It's a short-term pain to keep the long-term policy in place. It's a close call, but him ending up on the West Coast (after wife moved back to LA) isn't shocking. The line has more holes than just LT, and Duane was back when Watson got drilled that game. For comparison, Romo got hurt behind the best OL in football.

O'Brien's clock management has never been that good, though I'm hoping it's trending in the right direction.

Looked at honestly, Rick Smith was a middle-of-the-pack GM. He made some really dumb moves on his own (sitting out FA last year), some dumb ones at the behest of his boss (Ed Reed), and some that turned out well, even when he didn't get what he wanted (Watt). Hopefully Gaine can learn from Smith's mistakes.
 
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Bouye was a victim of being behind on the depth chart, Romo had nothing to do with it. We offered him a whole lot of money - but he wasn't going to take Joseph's job on the left, wasn't suited to take Kareem's job inside, and was still going to be behind our #1 pick on the right. In hindsight he basically would've started the whole year in his natural position because Kevin can't stay healthy, but that wasn't on the table. He took a little more money and a starting role on a team that has been building their front 7.
 
Thorn said:
I don't care what's said about Houston, and it probably isn't all that great, but I ain't living anywhere that has real winters. I can't handle that ****.
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I love the winter ! This is the best winter we've had around here for years and it wasn't a real winter, more like a cold midwestern fall or a very mild midwestern winter.
 
Scooter said:
Bouye was a victim of being behind on the depth chart, Romo had nothing to do with it. We offered him a whole lot of money - but he wasn't going to take Joseph's job on the left, wasn't suited to take Kareem's job inside, and was still going to be behind our #1 pick on the right. In hindsight he basically would've started the whole year in his natural position because Kevin can't stay healthy, but that wasn't on the table. He took a little more money and a starting role on a team that has been building their front 7.
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The Texans fell on Bouye's list for two reasons: The upfront money was lower in the Texans deal, and the Texans waited to make an offer. They waited to see how the Romo situation played out.
 
Kubiak hitched his legacy to a wagon with bad wheels, after claiming he could fix Mr. Mittens. How much money was gifted to those two alone?

Hoyer, Mallet and Savage were all given the keys to an NFL franchise, you don’t do that if you really know what the hell your doing.

Think about it from a players point of view. If you play coveted position like LT or CB you always have some leverage. After seeing millions gifted to merry go round of QB’s they’re gonna ask for their’s. I’m sick and tired about crap of too much money for AJ or DB, someone else will be happy to pay them, because winning is more important than running it like a buisness.

What in God’s green earth gives hope that O’Brian suddenly grasps game clock management or Gain learns from Ricks mistakes?

Did O’Brian hire a full time OC?
Did Rick learn from Charlie?
 
Hopefully Gaine is his own man and can talk the McNair's into spending the $$$$ that it takes to be successful. (DB/Bouye) (This yrs FA class) I hope the Stros winning a WS and the Rockets being a true championship contender may put enough pressure on McNair for this to happen.

Also I hope Gaine pounds the table for drafting guys with minor character flaws like smoking pot/bar fights etc... (No domestic violence)
 
beerlover said:
Kubiak hitched his legacy to a wagon with bad wheels, after claiming he could fix Mr. Mittens. How much money was gifted to those two alone?

Hoyer, Mallet and Savage were all given the keys to an NFL franchise, you don’t do that if you really know what the hell your doing.

Think about it from a players point of view. If you play coveted position like LT or CB you always have some leverage. After seeing millions gifted to merry go round of QB’s they’re gonna ask for their’s. I’m sick and tired about crap of too much money for AJ or DB, someone else will be happy to pay them, because winning is more important than running it like a buisness.

What in God’s green earth gives hope that O’Brian suddenly grasps game clock management or Gain learns from Ricks mistakes?

Did O’Brian hire a full time OC?
Did Rick learn from Charlie?
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Do you really think that Kubiak agreeing to fix Carr wasn't a per-requisite? As in, you're not getting this job unless you say you can fix him?

No argument on Hoyer/Mallett/Savage - none were without risk. Texans needed a QB and took their shots.

The guys controlling the purse-strings let it be known that they didn't extend early. They only excepted that twice in the team's history. Once with a guy destined for the HoF, and the other for a guy taking the league by storm. Both were dynamic playmakers. The Texans didn't consider Hopkins or Brown to be in that same class. Show where it hasn't served the Texans well in the long run. It's still a business, whether we fans like it or not. Lord knows, I wasn't thrilled with an increase after last year's sh!t-show.

Hey, I can hope about O'Brien. You sure can't tell me you expected him to revise his playbook for Watson last year like he did. One thing at a time.

Rick learned zilch from Charlie, he wasn't around. Gaine got to see Rick up close. It's entirely possible he disagreed with some of Smith's choices and got to see how they played out.
 
disaacks3 said:
The Texans fell on Bouye's list for two reasons: The upfront money was lower in the Texans deal, and the Texans waited to make an offer. They waited to see how the Romo situation played out.
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The Texans made real offers, to deny that is looking for blame after the fact. A 1-hit wonder from the previous coaching group (I'm amazed he was even entertained), I'm sure Romeo fought for him, but few saw that at a financially responsible decision. We offered what we could.

The Texans made competitive offers to try to retain Bouye, raising their annual average more than once during negotiations to try to keep the ascending young corner. At one point, the Texans made a five-year, $60 million offer that included $22 million guaranteed. However, Bouye indicated the Texans' offer was the lowest on the front end of any serious suitor.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...-A-J-Bouye-Quintin-Demps-to-rich-10991259.php
 
Scooter said:
The Texans made real offers, to deny that is looking for blame after the fact. A 1-hit wonder from the previous coaching group (I'm amazed he was even entertained), I'm sure Romeo fought for him, but few saw that at a financially responsible decision. We offered what we could.

The Texans made competitive offers to try to retain Bouye, raising their annual average more than once during negotiations to try to keep the ascending young corner. At one point, the Texans made a five-year, $60 million offer that included $22 million guaranteed. However, Bouye indicated the Texans' offer was the lowest on the front end of any serious suitor.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...-A-J-Bouye-Quintin-Demps-to-rich-10991259.php
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"The Texans kind of waited," Bouye said. "It was tough, man. I didn't know what was going to happen. They offered the lowest money at the front of the deal, so we got a feeling that we weren't going to be there.
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His own quote bears out mine above. The logical reason the Texans waited (and back-loaded the contract), was to have cap space for another large off-season acquisition. Who else was the $$ earmarked for?
 
It does, and then doesn't. The Texans offers were on the table before he made his decision. And forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't it make more sense for a player to have a heavy back-end contract? The guaranteed money is there regardless, and it makes you much more difficult to cut while at the same time your salary increases.
 
Blame whomever you want for the failure since really the post Matt Schaub injury but it has just been a mess since then and the blame is shared by everyone involved in the the decision making process since that time!
 
banned1976 said:
And to be frank, although Houston is my hometown it's a crap place to live compared to San Francisco (and many other places in the CONUS). TBH, once my parents die I'm moving as far away from the gulf coast as possible. I certainly wouldn't hang around just to watch the Texans...lol.

Back to the thread, I don't expect the Texans to improve much, if at all. They may be worse in 2018 than they were in 2017. Would it surprise anyone?
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what are your biggest problems with Houston? ive heard that from a lot of people
 
The team has just been mismanaged from top to bottom by the front office! It's just sad, shameful and a bitter disappointment in my opinion! Hopefully B.G. changes things around but I won't be surprised if they don't change at all!
 
steelbtexan said:
Hopefully Gaine is his own man and can talk the McNair's into spending the $$$$ that it takes to be successful. (DB/Bouye) (This yrs FA class) I hope the Stros winning a WS and the Rockets being a true championship contender may put enough pressure on McNair for this to happen.

Also I hope Gaine pounds the table for drafting guys with minor character flaws like smoking pot/bar fights etc... (No domestic violence)
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Some of the best guys I've ever worked with/alongside had been in plenty of bar fights before getting into our line of work. Not they were looking for it, but knew how to react and respond when the need arose. As far as character flaws, so what if the guy farts and burps at the dinner table. Can he cover a TE or RB out of the backfield? Can he stuff the run? Can he pick up a blitz??
 
gary said:
The team has just been mismanaged from top to bottom by the front office! It's just sad, shameful and a bitter disappointment in my opinion! Hopefully B.G. changes things around but I won't be surprised if they don't change at all!
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Good to seeing you posting again Gary.
 
gary said:
I post here and there but definitely not as muchas I used to!
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Welcome back Gary! Hope you are doing good? I am as hopeful as ever for this season..which way will it go? If chips fall well and Gaines goes hard at FA we could turn this team around.
 
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