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TEXANS VS BENGALS INJURY REPORT

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TEXANS VS BENGALS
SEPT 11, 2017

HOUSTON TEXANS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE

G JEFF ALLEN (ANKLE) DEALT WITH AN ANKLE INJURY A GOOD PART OF LAST SEASON WHICH ULTIMATELY REQUIRED OFFSEASON SURGERY

TE STEPHEN ANDERSON (CONCUSSION)

RB ALFRED BLUE (ANKLE) HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN

ILB BRIAN CUSHING (CONCUSSION)

WR BRUCE ELLINGTON (CONCUSSION)

TE C J FIEDOROWICZ (CONCUSSION) HE SUFFERED A CONCUSSION LAST YEAR IN WEEK 14, THEN AT AT AN UNKNOWN TIME IN THE LATE PRESEASON/EARLY REGULAR SEASON PRACTICE, AND NOW IN WEEK 1............NOT SURE THAT HE WAS NOT RELEASED FROM THE CONCUSSION PROTOCOL (WHICH IS NOT EXACT) BEFORE HIS BRAIN HAD ENOUGH TIME TO HEAL/RECOVER............AND THAT HE ESSENTIALLY SUFFERED AN EXTENSION OF HIS PREVIOUS "EVENT".............IN THIS LIKELY SCENARIO, THIS LAST CONCUSSION WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED A MORE SERIOUS EVENT THAN A TYPICAL CONCUSSION...........AND THEREFORE BE HANDLED WITH EXTRA CAUTION (EXTRA TIME) AS FAR AS THE RETURN TO PLAY

TE RYAN GRIFFIN (CONCUSSION)

CB KEVIN JOHNSON (KNEE) UNDISCLOSED.............HAD 2 JONES FRACTURE SURGERIES OVER THE PAST 1 1/2 YEARS.........HAD AN UNUSUALLY LONG REHAB AFTER THE LAST ONE............HOPEFULLY NOT RESIDUAL DISCOMFORT FORCING HIM TO COMPENSATE


LIMITED PARTICIPATION

OLB/DE JADEVEON CLOWNEY (FOOT) HAD A FOOT ISSUE EARLY LAST SEASON.........WHENEVER YOU SEE THIS IN A PLAYER WITH MICROFRACTURE KNEE SURGERY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO THINK OF COMPENSATORY INJURY

S ANDRE HALL (HIP) HAD LOWER EXTREMITY INJURIES (FOOT AND ANKLE) THAT DOGGED HIM THE LAST PART OF LAST SEASON

C NICK MARTIN (ANKLE) WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT........POST INJURY/OPERATIVE ISSUE WITH HIS HIGH ANKLE-FRACTURE REPAIR LAST YEAR

ILB BERNARDICK MCkINNEY (KNEE) HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIS MCL LAST YEAR

QB DESHAUN WATSON (ANKLE) OCCURRED AFTER 4TH Q INTERCEPTION BY GIPSON.......WHEN HE TRIED TO GET TO GIPSON TO TACKLE HIM.........COULD HAVE BEEN AGGRAVATED BY THE PILE-ON SACK HE TOOK THE END OF THE GAME........DID NOT LIMP GETTING OFF THE FIELD, BUT BEGAN LIMPING LATER...........PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH DELAYED SWELLING (AND POSSIBLY SOME BLEEDING INTO THE TISSUES (VERY COMMON) WITH ACCOMPANYING PAIN..........NOT UNUSUAL FOR A MILDER LATERAL ANKLE SPRAIN..............BUT EVEN IT ONLY A GRADE I SPRAIN, A REST ANY SHORTER THAN 1 WEEK IS A SIGNIFICANT RISK FOR RE-INJURY AND EXTENSION OF THE INJURY

DE J J WATT (FINGER) OPEN DISLOCATION OF A FINGER


FULL PARTICIPATION

NT BRANDON DUNN (ABDOMEN) LIKELY ABDOMINAL MUSCLE TEAR........BEGINNING OF A "SPORTS HERNIA"?

RB TYLER ERVIN (KNEE) SUFFERED AN UNDISCLOSED KNEE INJURY OCT 2016 WHICH AFFECTED THROUGH THE MONTH

T BRENO GIACOMINI (THIGH) LIKELY QUAD BRUISE, NOT QUAD TENDON

DE JOEL HEATH (KNEE) SUFFERED AN UNDISCLOSED KNEE INJURY IN THE DIVISIONAL LOSS TO THE PATS LAST JAN..........SINCE IT WAS THE END OF THE SEASON, NO FURTHER INFORMATION WAS VOLUNTEERED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT DID NOT REQUIRE SURGERY

WR DEANDRE HOPKINS (WRIST) HIS SPLINTING WAS MOST CONSISTENT WITH AN ULNAR COLLATERAL LIGAMENT TEAR


CINCINNATI BENGALS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE

G TREY HOPKINS (KNEE) SUSTAINED AN UNDISCLOSED KNEE INJURY.........IT LOOKED SERIOUS.........HE LEFT SUNDAY'S GAME IN THE 2ND Q AND NEVER RETURNED..........WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF HE GOES ON IR

DE MICHAEL JOHNSON (CONCUSSION) WENT DOWN SUNDAY AND LAID FLAT ON HIS BACK FOR ABOUT A MINUTE AT THE END OF THE 2ND Q..........DON'T EXPECT HIM OUT THERE THIS THURSDAY

CB DRE KIRKPATRICK (FOOT) SUSTAINED AN UNDISCLOSED FOOT INJURY THIS PAST GAME................A PLAYER WITH A DESERVED LABEL OF INJURY PRONE.............HE'S A PICTURE OF INJURIES...........HE'S BEEN IR'ED FOR MORE SEASONS THAN MANY PLAYERS PLAY..........WAS SIGNED TO A $52 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT JUST BEFORE SUFFERING A HAND FRACTURE SHORTLY THEREAFTER BEFORE OTAS THIS SEASON...............HAS BEEN DEALING WITH MULTIPLE KNEE INJURIES INCLUDING REPEATED KNEE FRACTURES AND GENERALIZED CHRONIC KNEE PROBLEMS THAT CAN BE DOCUMENTED ALMOST CONTINUALLY SINCE 2012.............IN 2015, HE ADDED A SEVERE SHOULDER LABRUM TEAR AND SURGERY...........AND IN 2016, HE ADDED HAMSTRING TEAR TO THE LIST

C J UZOMAH (ANKLE) AUG 8 SUFFERED A SEVERE NON-CONTACT HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN AND WAS CARTED OFF THE FIELD...........HE HAS NOT PRACTICED SINCE.................HE SUFFERED A SIGNIFICANT ANKLE SPRAIN LAST OCT THAT AFFECTED HIS PLAY FOR A GOOD WHILE

LIMITED PARTICIPATION

C B JOSH SHAW (ANKLE) SUFFERED AN ANKLE SPRAIN MIDWAY IN THE 3RD PRESEASON GAME...............CAME BACK YESTERDAY AND RE-INJURED HIS ANKLE.............THIS IS THE USC PLAYER WHO SUFFERED BILATERAL SEVERE HIGH ANKLE SPRAINS AND TOLD THE STORY THAT MADE NATIONAL NEWS ..............HE JUMPED INTO A POOL TO SAVE HIS YOUNG NEPHEW...............BUT THEN THIS WAS FOUND TO BE LIE WHICH ALSO MADE NATIONAL NEWS.............IN FACT, HE HAD A BRUTAL ARGUMENT WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND OF 7 YEARS............THE POLICE WERE CALLED, AND IN ORDER TO AVOID BEING ARRESTED, HE JUMPED OFF A 3RD STORY BUILDING.........BUT NOT INTO WATER

FULL PARTICIPATION

WR JOHN ROSS (KNEE) INITIALLY SUFFERED A KNEE SPRAIN IN MIDDLE OF THE 3RD PRESEASON GAME...............ONLY PARTICIPATED IN THURSDAY AND FRIDAY PRACTICE LAST WEEK............DID NOT PLAY WEEK 1..THE KNEE IS STILL GIVING HIM PROBLEMS DESPITE THE FULL PARTICIPATION.................HE UNDERWENT SHOULDER LABRUM SURGERY EARLIER THIS YEAR, BUT DID NOT WANT TO UNTIL AFTER THE 2017 COMBINE...................DID NOT RETURN TO PRACTICE UNTIL AUG 14..............IN COLLEGE, HE SUFFERED A TORN MENISCUS OF THE RIGHT KNEE WHICH WAS REPAIRED IN 2014 FOLLOWED BY A VERY SMALL AREA OF MICROFRACTURE SURGERY.............HE THEN TORE HIS ACL AND MENISCUS IN THE LEFT KNEE WHICH WAS REPAIRED..........HE WILL LIKELY CONTINUE TO BE DOGGED BY KNEE PROBLEMS WITH THE OUTLOOK FOR HIS SHOULDER STILL TO BE DETERMINED

S SHAWN WILLIAMS (ELBOW) AUG 19, HE WAS CARTED OFF THE FIELD WITH AN ELBOW DISLOCATION THAT DID NOT REQUIRE SURGERY..........DID NOT PLAY YESTERDAY...........DID NOT PRACTICE UNTIL TODAY, WHICH IS STILL A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF REHAB..............EXPECT HIM TO BE WEARING A "ROBO ARM" LIKE WATT
 
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Who of the concussed players is wearing these new Zero 1 (sp?) helmets.
5 players getting a concussion in one game seems way too high to be fluke or bad luck.
 
amazing80 said:
Does the splinting and injury to Hopkins explain his many drops yesterday?
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When he took off his glove, he wasn't wearing any protective bandage or splint at all. As I said previously, these would tend to hinder a receiver. If he still had tenderness, it could have affected his play, but he was missing some throws that even tenderness could not explain.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
When he took off his glove, he wasn't wearing any protective bandage or splint at all. As I said previously, these would tend to hinder a receiver. If he still had tenderness, it could have affected his play, but he was missing some throws that even tenderness could not explain.
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He was too busy wondering where he was going to spend $49M to catch the ball
 
hradhak said:
Who of the concussed players is wearing these new Zero 1 (sp?) helmets.
5 players getting a concussion in one game seems way too high to be fluke or bad luck.
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A response in another thread to Wolfgirl when she asked if Cushing wasn't wearing on of those special helmets:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Yep.........as well as McKinney, Jadeveon Clowney, Hal and Lamar Miller. The helmet will not live up to its name.........ZERO 1
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CloakNNNdagger said:
A response in another thread to Wolfgirl when she asked if Cushing wasn't wearing on of those special helmets:
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CnD do you know when Cushing went out? I'm curious about the play on NFL Game Pass.

I'm also surprised that all 3 of our TEs got concussions. Generally the TE is bigger than their tackler. It'd be hard to hit the helmet.
 
In the postgame highlight shows on FOX, information reporter Jay Glazer noted Cushing texted him from the hospital stating this concussion was “a bad one.”
 
amazing80 said:
In your expert opinion what does that mean?
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It's a player's statement, not a medical analysis. Therefore, it is difficult to determine exactly what his translation into lay terms really means. The more severe concussions are associated with loss of consciousness (any, although the longer the more severe it is considered) and/or extended vestibular symptoms (prolonged dizziness, visual disturbances) and/or persistent nausea/vomiting, increasing relentless headache and pretraumatic amnesia and posttraumatic amnesia. Many of these symptoms are associated with significant slowing of reaction times.
 
hradhak said:
CnD do you know when Cushing went out? I'm curious about the play on NFL Game Pass.

I'm also surprised that all 3 of our TEs got concussions. Generally the TE is bigger than their tackler. It'd be hard to hit the helmet.
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I believe it was at the completion of the 1st half after the multiple goal line stands that he was concussed going head first into the piles. He left the field and went in after half time with the rest of the players................but never came back in the 2nd half.
 
I heard a sports neurology and neuromuscular doctor today when asked about Cushing's head injury (concussion), Dr. Erin Manning saying that players sent to the hospital for a concussion is unusual and could indicate bleeding.
 
And that very likely is the last time we’ll see Cushing on the field for us. Great run early, spiraled out after the that. True warrior.
 
banned1976 said:
I heard a sports neurology and neuromuscular doctor today when asked about Cushing's head injury (concussion), Dr. Erin Manning saying that players sent to the hospital for a concussion is unusual and could indicate bleeding.
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I'm not really understanding the statement out of context. Most patients with the severe symptoms that I mentioned above can be simply associated with brain swelling alone............or can be associated with an intracranial bleed.............they are usually empirically taken to a hospital in order to obtain a CT scan to try to distinguish between the two. MRIs are sometimes ordered, but many times MRIs are only obtained if the significant symptoms persist for 48 hours or more since they are more detailed and are more likely to detect delayed or slow bleeds
 
TEXANS VS BENGALS
SEPT 12, 2017

HOUSTON TEXANS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE

G JEFF ALLEN (ANKLE)

TE STEPHEN ANDERSON (CONCUSSION)

RB ALFRED BLUE (ANKLE)

ILB BRIAN CUSHING (CONCUSSION)

WR BRUCE ELLINGTON (CONCUSSION)

TE C J FIEDOROWICZ (CONCUSSION) IR'ED............NOT SURPRISED AS BACK TO BACK CONCUSSIONS ARE A SERIOUS SITUATION..........ESPECIALLY AS IT IS ACTUALLY 3 WITHIN A YEAR.

TE RYAN GRIFFIN (CONCUSSION)

WR WILL FULLER (CLAVICLE)


LIMITED PARTICIPATION

ILB BERNARDICK MCKINNEY (KNEE)

DE J J WATT (FINGER)

CB KEVIN JOHNSON (KNEE) UPGRADE FROM DNP


FULL PARTICIPATION

OLB/DE JADEVEON CLOWNEY (FOOT) UPGRADE FROM LP

S ANDRE HALL (HIP) UPGRADE FROM LP

WR DEANDRE HOPKINS (WRIST) UPGRADE FROM LP

NT BRANDON DUNN (ABDOMEN)

RB TYLER ERVIN (KNEE)

T BRENO GIACOMINI (THIGH)

C NICK MARTIN (ANKLE)

QB TOM SAVAGE (FINGER) THE INJURY IS ON HIS NON-THROWING HAND (LEFT)...........SHOULD BE NO SIGNIFICANT HINDRANCE IN PASSING.

QB DESHAUN WATSON (ANKLE) UPGRADE FROM LP...........IF HE PLAYS AS SOON AS THURSDAY AFTER EVEN A GRADE I SPRAIN, LIKELY TO BECOME SWOLLEN AND SLOW HIM DONE (THIS COULD HAPPEN JUST FROM PRACTICING ON A SPRAINED ANKLE).............AND INCREASE HIS RISK FOR RE-INJURY OR EXTENSION OF THE INJURY


CINCINNATI BENGALS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE

G TREY HOPKINS (KNEE)

DE MICHAEL JOHNSON (CONCUSSION)

FULL PARTICIPATION

C B JOSH SHAW (ANKLE) UPGRADE FROM LP

CB DRE KIRKPATRICK (FOOT) UPGRADE FROM DNP

C J UZOMAH (ANKLE) UPGRADE FROM DNP

WR JOHN ROSS (KNEE)

S SHAWN WILLIAMS (ELBOW)



 
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What's the rule with returning from IR? You have to be out a certain amount of time or no?
 

O'Brien said that to determine if Watson would start would be determined by how his ankle fared during practice...........that ankle will certainly be tested, as practice was essentially walk-throughs with players wearing T-shirts, shorts and tampons.
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hradhak said:
CnD do you know when Cushing went out? I'm curious about the play on NFL Game Pass.

I'm also surprised that all 3 of our TEs got concussions. Generally the TE is bigger than their tackler. It'd be hard to hit the helmet.
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It was at the multiple goal line stand series with around 3 minutes left in the 2nd Q. In those mass of pile ups he went head on, and had to have suffered the concussion then because he never came back into the game after that.
 
I've found out that Savage's finger injury is on his left non-throwing hand. It should not hinder his passing if he plays Thursday. [I added the extra explanation to today's INJURY REPORT]
 
76Texan said:
If it's the left thumb, wouldn't it make it harder to take in the snap properly?
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The thumb is technically/medically not a "finger." It is indeed 1 of 5 "digits." The other 4 digits are comprised of 3 bones (phalanges)......the thumb only 2. The thumb is the only opposable digit because its joints can be moved around to touch the other digits (such as in the act of gripping). Enough for the anatomy lesson...........Nevertheless, taking for granted that the Texans don't know the difference or don't try to make a distinction for the INJURY REPORT (although they have made the distinction in some past INJURY REPORTS), a thumb injury could be well protected without affecting the handling of the snap of a football.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
The thumb is technically/medically not a "finger." It is indeed 1 of 5 "digits." The other 4 digits are comprised of 3 bones (phalanges)......the thumb only 2. The thumb is the only opposable digit because its joints can be moved around to touch the other digits (such as in the act of gripping). Enough for the anatomy lesson...........Nevertheless, taking for granted that the Texans don't know the difference or don't try to make a distinction for the INJURY REPORT (although they have made the distinction in some past INJURY REPORTS), a thumb injury could be well protected without affecting the handling of the snap of a football.

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Let's assume that the Texans don't make the differentiation.
The question is thus.
The distal phalanx part, don't you have to close it to catch the ball at the snap?
 
76Texan said:
Let's assume that the Texans don't make the differentiation.
The question is thus.
The distal phalanx part, don't you have to close it to catch the ball at the snap?
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If it were a stick that he actually had to grasp tightly, it could significantly affect him. But the football is wide and there is more cradling action and using both bodies of the hands pressing together, with little actual tight grasping that is involved in stabilizing the ball. As the QB comes out of the snap, the throwing hand grip takes over until the ball is thrown.
 
TEXANS VS BENGALS
SEPT 13, 2017

HOUSTON TEXANS

DID NOT PARTICIPATE

G JEFF ALLEN (ANKLE) OUT

TE STEPHEN ANDERSON (CONCUSSION) OUT

RB ALFRED BLUE (ANKLE) OUT

ILB BRIAN CUSHING (CONCUSSION) OUT

WR BRUCE ELLINGTON (CONCUSSION) OUT

TE RYAN GRIFFIN (CONCUSSION) OUT

WR WILL FULLER (CLAVICLE) OUT


LIMITED PARTICIPATION

ILB BERNARDICK MCKINNEY (KNEE)

DE J J WATT (FINGER)

CB KEVIN JOHNSON (KNEE)


FULL PARTICIPATION

OLB/DE JADEVEON CLOWNEY (FOOT)

S ANDRE HALL (HIP)

WR DEANDRE HOPKINS (WRIST)

NT BRANDON DUNN (ABDOMEN)

RB TYLER ERVIN (KNEE)

T BRENO GIACOMINI (THIGH)

C NICK MARTIN (ANKLE)

QB TOM SAVAGE (FINGER)

QB DESHAUN WATSON (ANKLE)

CINCINNATI BENGALS


DID NOT PARTICIPATE

G TREY HOPKINS (KNEE) OUT

DE MICHAEL JOHNSON (CONCUSSION) OUT

FULL PARTICIPATION

C B JOSH SHAW (ANKLE)

CB DRE KIRKPATRICK (FOOT)

C J UZOMAH (ANKLE) QUESTIONABLE

WR JOHN ROSS (KNEE) QUESTIONABLE

S SHAWN WILLIAMS (ELBOW) QUESTIONABLE
 
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I was always taught to have 11 fingers. take your pinky and say 10 count backwards on one hand 10-9-8-7-and 6. then add 5 from the other hand. Oh well just being silly lol
 
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