Of course, at this point in time, no one knows how things will be come draft time, but I really have to believe, at some point, the Texans have to upgrade their O-line and I hope they start with their 1st pick. I wouldn't mind getting Lotulelei if getting a DT was all that we needed. But, the reality of the situation that the Texans are in is that they are severely lacking in talent on their O-line, and if they want to be a top team competing for SB's they need to upgrade that talent. And, if this is a bad year for O-linemen in the Draft like many are saying it will be, then all the more reason to get an OT in the 1st round and lock in one of top ones in the Draft.
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Of course, at this point in time, no one knows how things will be come draft time, but I really have to believe, at some point, the Texans have to upgrade their O-line and I hope they start with their 1st pick. I wouldn't mind getting Lotulelei if getting a DT was all that we needed. But, the reality of the situation that the Texans are in is that they are severely lacking in talent on their O-line, and if they want to be a top team competing for SB's they need to upgrade that talent. And, if this is a bad year for O-linemen in the Draft like many are saying it will be, then all the more reason to get an OT in the 1st round and lock in one of top ones in the Draft.
I really like Lowell and with Watt possibly done you could play Reader at DE if needed. I know Lowell will be a good pick for whoever picks him. He would be a safe pick.
If it were me though I would hope either of the Notre Dame OL fall to them. They will be ten yr starters. Speaking of Utah players Garrett Bolles their LT would bring toughness the Texans OL is currently lacking and would be a major upgrade starting out at RT and eventually moving to LT. He's a tough guy with good feet. I also like JJ Dielman as an upgrade as a tough OG. You could probably get him in the 4th. He's kin to former Chargers OG Kris Dielman.
I also wouldn't rule out a safety like Malik Hooker if he falls to the Texans. This guy is a day one starter. Fortunately you can find and upgrade in rd 3-4 in this deep safety draft. I hate Dillon got hurt. I really think he was a steal and would've been starter next yr.
I'm currently doing some research and will post my Texans mock draft when work slows down a bit.
If it were me though I would hope either of the Notre Dame OL fall to them. They will be ten yr starters. Speaking of Utah players Garrett Bolles their LT would bring toughness the Texans OL is currently lacking and would be a major upgrade starting out at RT and eventually moving to LT. He's a tough guy with good feet. I also like JJ Dielman as an upgrade as a tough OG. You could probably get him in the 4th. He's kin to former Chargers OG Kris Dielman.
I also wouldn't rule out a safety like Malik Hooker if he falls to the Texans. This guy is a day one starter. Fortunately you can find and upgrade in rd 3-4 in this deep safety draft. I hate Dillon got hurt. I really think he was a steal and would've been starter next yr.
I'm currently doing some research and will post my Texans mock draft when work slows down a bit.
I've seen a few mocks that predict the Texans taking Hooker in the 1st round, and although I'd prefer an OT (maybe we'll get lucky on Ramczyk or McGlinchey), I can't deny that taking Hooker in the 1st would be nice. I haven't seen alot of film of him but I hear he's got the size and toughness to play in the box against the run as well as the speed to blitz the QB, and also has the range and size to cover TE's that always kill us and work center field in pass defense. It would be nice to have a high quality Safety that we've never had. Taking a TE in the 1st could be an option as well. It would be nice to have a stud TE on a 4 yr./5th yr. option rookie contract especially with Griffin nearing the end of his rookie contract, and we don't need to throw stupid money at him. I can also see the Texans possibly going CB and planning for a future without JJo. Might we also look at QB's in the 1st with Savage nearing the end of his rookie contract, Weeden is depth only, and Osweiler will be gone in 2018 if he continues to play the way he has this year? Lots of options...
That is the gospel truth. We need two good tackles ! The guys that I watch weekly are McGlinchey and McDermott. They are both about 6'8" and 310. They have - perfect size and build - athletic and coordinated. Both are intelligent, team leaders, and previously played right tackle, (per draft reports). But ... I haven't read this anywhere, and it doesn't make sense to me, but, they both seem to lack commitment. I've never read that anywhere, any time, about any player, - that I can remember. I don't see hustle, or fire, or tenacity .... it's like an intentional lack of intensity ! I can't figure it out. At any rate, in the next tier, I see Bisnowaty, Wheeler, and Heck .... each about 6'6" and 300. Arkansas has a great big boy named Skipper ..... he's 6'9" and 325 .... he plays left tackle, and he does not get cheated .... he flat out hustles. Other guys that have jumped off the screen at me are Pocic, Elfien, and Allen. All are playing center, but the last two played guard, and I believe you could play Pocic anywhere ! You build a great offensive line and it will make the entire team better .... both sides !!
If the come out early Orlando Brown and Garrett Bolles will be the 2 best OT's in this draft. Both have good feet and toughness the current Texans OL is missing.
While I agree DB is getting up there in age (30), he has been the best O-lineman the Texans have had this season and has been playing at a Pro-Bowl level his last 2 games. The running game has improved tremendously and he has settled XSF down at LG and helped him steady his play. How long will he play at this level? No one knows. But, I think he will be a good LT for at least this year and next. Now, I'm not saying don't draft 2 OT's, but what I am saying is they need to hold on to DB. They can always move one of the OT's to OG for now and later move him back to OT if needed. And, what I am also saying is they NEED to draft an OT in the 1st rd and start him at RT on day 1! They also need to draft someone who can play multiple positions on the interior (OG/OC) and either replace Allen or XSF, preferably Allen. He's not been very good for the Texans.
PapaL
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I would definitely target a starting tackle early, hopefully someone that can step over to LT when DB retires, and a backup tackle that would in theory take RT eventually. I am fully on board with the replacing Allen. I'm optimistic that Martin comes back healthy and locks down the C spot. I wanted OL this past draft, instead we got WRs. Seems we're always a year late on obvious things.
Well, to be fair, they did draft Martin in the 2nd rd and I think fully believed he would be their starting Center. Who could foresee he'd get injured and spend the whole season on IR. That's why I'm not against them getting 2 OT's and even drafting another OG/OC. Now I will say that Martin was only the 2nd O-lineman drafted in 3 years under BOB and, to me, that's just not enough, especially after they let Jones and Brooks go in the off-season. And, picking up Allen and Bergstrom in FA to fill the gap was obviously not enough either. They need to draft at least 2 O-linemen this next draft and they need to do it within the first 3 rounds. They need that depth!
PapaL
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That's what I wanted this past draft. If you're going to spend all that money on a new shiny QB, you better protect him. How big of an upgrade have WFV, Ervin, and B.Miller been over Shorts, Hunt, Strong? At this point in the season we can't throw deep, we cant throw middle, and we can't throw short. Oh and Hunt is now back! Idk...I'm just frustrated. I love having DB playing to the level we're use to from him but the rest of the OL is beyond disappointing to me.
While I agree with you, there really wasn't an OT of value at 22. Spriggs was the best available and I would've traded back up to get him. But McNair/Rick/BOB decided to trade back up for Martin instead. Too bad Martin got hurt because he would've been a differencemaker and gotten much needed experience this yr. As it is there will probably be atleast 2 rookies on the OL starting next yr, maybe even 3. Martin/1 or 2 draft picks. Certainly not a receipe for success.
Yes, I agree with you and wished they had drafted more O-line help, not just in the last draft but in the last 3 drafts. Two O-linemen in 3 drafts is not going to cut it IMO. As for the 3 speedy "toys" they got in the last draft, it would probably help if WFV and Miller could stay healthy. They seem to miss a lot of time with injuries. Hard to help your club when you're always in the tub!
Not to get off subject but where in Maryland are you located?
I don't know if Papal was saying to draft an OT with the 1st pick (#22) but that maybe they should have paid more attention to the O-line in rounds 3 or 4 instead of getting another speedy WR and RB. There is some merit to what he says about the production so far of WFV, Miller, and Ervin compared to what Shorts, Strong, and Hunt had last season.
As for the starting O-line next season, if they can get Martin back healthy and start a 1st rd draft pick at RT, It should be a lot better than what we have today, especially from a depth standpoint. Who knows, maybe Allen will play better at RG next season with Martin and a new RT next to him!
PapaL
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Yes, I agree with you and wished they had drafted more O-line help, not just in the last draft but in the last 3 drafts. Two O-linemen in 3 drafts is not going to cut it IMO. As for the 3 speedy "toys" they got in the last draft, it would probably help if WFV and Miller could stay healthy. They seem to miss a lot of time with injuries. Hard to help your club when you're always in the tub!
Not to get off subject but where in Maryland are you located?
Im in Frederick now. Moved here from Germantown a couple years ago.
I would have taken Spriggs at #22, a blind man could see the athleticism and potential this guy has to be a great LT and an NFL level S&C program would have taken care of any perceived strength issues he may have had in the run game. Instead of protecting the new franchise QB though, the Texans opted for bling in the 1st and 3rd rounds of a draft that had great depth at the OT position. 7 months later we've got bling that hasn't done much but sell jerseys and tickets #Marketing, and a QB that now feels phantom pressure. Osweiler is the latest candidate to take the David Carr roller coaster ride, but at least he meets the height requirements and he's pretty for posters and press conferences. I agree on Martin for next year, should anchor the C position for years to come barring further injury. Mancz starting all year should really help next years O-line depth from an experience standpoint though. How do you figure 2 or 3 new starters next year, I see 1 possibly at RT? DB will start at LT, he's playing way better than I thought he would; XSF will start at LG, to replace him would be to admit that it was a bad draft pick at #33 and they'll never do that. Martin starts at C most likely; and Allen starts at RG, to replace him would be to admit that he was a bad FA signing and we owe him to much money for him to sit on the bench. There's to much ego involved at the Owner/GM level to admit mistakes. As for 2017 an OT in the 1st round to play RT, and future LT, and then a 3rd or 4th round pick at OT/OG for quality depth along side Mancz and Aboushi. I'll step down off my sarcasm soap box now, I feel better, thanks for letting me vent.
Anytime buddy. I do my fair share of venting. It's time for McNair to take a long look in the mirror
Are you in the military? Don't mean to be nosey, just curious how a Texans fan ended up in MD. Also, I was born in MD and have many relatives (Raven's fans I assume.) still there!
Martin will be a new starter since he's missed the whole season, and they still may replace Allen at RG if they can get someone better. I'm not saying they will replace Allen but they could. That would, along with a new RT, give you the 2 to 3 new starters. Also, it's good to vent sometimes!
Martin will be a new starter since he's missed the whole season, and they still may replace Allen at RG if they can get someone better. I'm not saying they will replace Allen but they could. That would, along with a new RT, give you the 2 to 3 new starters. Also, it's good to vent sometimes!
Martin and/or Mancz may play OG
Texian
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2017 NFL Mock Draft 3.0: Round 1 is loaded with top-notch defensive talent
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Interesting that at #23 we have our choice of any OT in the draft and pass in favor of a RB, I don't see that happening. The first OT selected is Cam Robinson at #30. If the 1st round is heavily defensive, do we go with the trend and take a quality defensive prospect as well or buck the trend and select a top tier offensive prospect?
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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Newtons injury almost forces the hand of taking the best OT at that spot
WolverineFan
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In all honesty I'd rather have Cook than whatever OL is available at that point. This is an awful OL draft. I'd rather blow the pick on an elite player than use it on an average player at a position of need. That's what FA is for.
gs27
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IMO, last years draft had some great 1st round and early 2nd round tackle prospects but little depth at tackle after Spriggs, however it was week for early round interior prospects but had a lot of depth in the later rounds for quality centers/guards.
This year I see the opposite, the tackle class is very weak at the top but has a lot of depth and the interior class has great prospects for early rounds and little to no depth.
I would prefer to land a Feeney, Eflein, or Price early and target a tackle later in the draft. I don't love any 1st round prospect unless Peppers for some reason drops to us.
beerlover
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I totally agree with you. However it's too early to say who may come out early or discount that late bloomer, who surprises with his measurables & strong Pro Day. Doesn't nesecarily have to be a first or even second day pick but they do need to draft some numbers.
Hate to say this but probably another DL in first round, like Caleb Brantly DT, Florida add RB & OL later.
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I would be pretty surprised too if they went with a RB in the 1st rd with all the OT's still on the board. I could see them picking a DE or maybe a Safety in the 1st, but not a RB, especially when they have L. Miller and the running game is ranked in the top 5. To me it's just a bad pick by an outsider who knows nothing about this team and what they need like most of the "talking heads" this time of year. Things won't get serious until after the Combine.
beerlover
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Yeah I would too, Marcus Williams is my favorite safety in 2017 class. Realistically flip them.
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That TE high jumped 6'11 in HS . He might have a chance for a Brock launch pass.
WolverineFan
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Yes Williams is a stud. The Njoku hype is coming out of nowhere. Good season but he's getting the Eric Ebron treatment right now.
xtruroyaltyx
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Cook is a beast. Looks like he has a much higher ceiling than Lamar Miller.
WalterFootball's latest mock (12-7)
1) David Njoku, TE, Miami, 6-4, 245
2) Forrest Lamp, OT, Western Kentucky, 6-3, 300
3) Davis Webb, QB, Cal, 6-3, 227
All I can say is WalterFootball must not like the Texans very much. They have Forrest Lamp as a replacement for Newton at RT and he isn't even on any of their prospect lists. I found him on the OG list as a 7th rounder on CBSSports.com. 6-3, 300 lbs is awful small for an NFL RT. I still can't see a TE in the 1st round and I don't think they draft a QB either.
1) David Njoku, TE, Miami, 6-4, 245
2) Forrest Lamp, OT, Western Kentucky, 6-3, 300
3) Davis Webb, QB, Cal, 6-3, 227
All I can say is WalterFootball must not like the Texans very much. They have Forrest Lamp as a replacement for Newton at RT and he isn't even on any of their prospect lists. I found him on the OG list as a 7th rounder on CBSSports.com. 6-3, 300 lbs is awful small for an NFL RT. I still can't see a TE in the 1st round and I don't think they draft a QB either.
Walter and to a slightly lesser extent Charlie Campbell, has been picking horribly for the Texans for the last few years
He's really good. But an OG IMHO
Great feet/technician. Dominated Tim Williams of Alabama this yr as a LT. He will have to play OG in the NFL because of lack of height. I'm very curious to see how long his arms are. I dont think they are more than 32-33 inches long, but if they're longer he's got the feet to play OT.
Lamp reminds me of Ali Marpet or a young Andy Levitre. Interior OL I like more than Lamp are Mason Cole and Dan Feeney.
BTW, CBS has McGlinchey as a 3rd rd pick. LOL
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bah007
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I still don't understand why people use WalterFootball. It's run by a computer guy, not a football guy. He's not a scout. Campbell is good, but very little of the content on the website is actually his.
McGlinchey in the 3rd sounds right to me. It's a weak class so he could go higher. But I just don't find him to be very impressive at all.
McGlinchey in the 3rd sounds right to me. It's a weak class so he could go higher. But I just don't find him to be very impressive at all.
Yeah .... I have watched more of McGlinchey and McDermott than any other players this season. They have many similarities, and both have so many things going for them .... but .... neither seem to have adequate urgency or tenacity in their play. We'll know more after the all star games and combine. I'll swear that they lack the effort and sense of urgency, maybe desire for dominance, that I see in Heck, Bisnowaty, and Skipper!
It's just a starting point or reference, like CBSsports or others, for those who don't have the time or don't want to watch and follow all the college football games. I usually use them just to gain some knowledge about some of the players that are coming out, but put very little stock in their mocks. Especially this time of year. They're just basically "pissin in the wind!"
badboy
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agreed just vacuuming any info I can get. Sometime either CBS or Walter will mention someone I have not focused or heard of. Long way too go but I an going with Qb Mason Rudolph and probably have to use first to get him. Combine may wipe him out of consideration or boost him in this weak draft.
Texian
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Charlie Campbell Retweeted
Walter Cherepinsky @walterfootball 1h1 hour ago
Texas Tech QB Pat Mahomes slotted to Texans at No. 22 overall in live 2017 NFL Mock Draft - http://walterfootball.com/draft2017_1.php
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Walter Cherepinsky @walterfootball 1h1 hour agoTexas Tech QB Pat Mahomes slotted to Texans at No. 22 overall in live 2017 NFL Mock Draft - http://walterfootball.com/draft2017_1.php
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PapaL
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TexansFTW
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What do yall think about Mahomes?
This is a non-UH year for Tech and they've lost just about every important game they've played so I've paid almost zero attention to them.
I generally discount every single Tech QB that goes pro because they all seem to have pretty wildly inflated stats, but I obviously see him mocked in round 1 and given a 1-2 round grade by Draft Advisory Board if that information is true.
Why is Mahomes different outside of slightly better arm talent and better size than previous Tech QBs? Does being a loser mean nothing anymore if you have the "stats"?
This is a non-UH year for Tech and they've lost just about every important game they've played so I've paid almost zero attention to them.
I generally discount every single Tech QB that goes pro because they all seem to have pretty wildly inflated stats, but I obviously see him mocked in round 1 and given a 1-2 round grade by Draft Advisory Board if that information is true.
Why is Mahomes different outside of slightly better arm talent and better size than previous Tech QBs? Does being a loser mean nothing anymore if you have the "stats"?
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Texian
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Like you I haven't seen enough of Mahomes to make an informed decision. Elway had a .500 or losing record at Stanford, it was all about his arm. Jeff George had a similar arm to Elway's but lacked the grey matter to go with it.
Charlie Campbell Retweeted
Texas Tech QB Pat Mahomes slotted to Texans at No. 22 overall in live 2017 NFL Mock Draft - http://walterfootball.com/draft2017_1.php
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Well, Walt's latest mock has Mahomes going to Buffalo at #10 which may end up being the case if Mahomes does well at the Combine. He's back to the Texans getting a TE again (OJ Howard, Alabama).
ghostlight
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I read somewhere that Mahomet had wrist surgery that may affect his delivery
McShay's 2.0 ...
... and I'd be a happy camper.
... and I'd be a happy camper.