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"IT" - The difference between VY and Carr

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>No matter the situation if you're losing or winning, you either have the "IT" factor or you don't.......The Lakers were horrible last year, but Kobe Bryant still had that "IT" factor.....to be honest when you're down, I think that's >when you're really showing what you're made of.

Like I said, it doesn't have to be the QB.




>that's your opinion, not a fact.

Look at 2004. Those are facts.




>Dude I'm a Seminole for life when it comes to college football......I could care less where Vince is from, all I know is I think dude is a special talent and >I want him on my home team.

Fact is, VY has his weaknesses (INTs for one). Carr has proven he is a good QB if given a supporting cast. Your "home team" needs improvement at a lot of other places, but certainly not QB.



>LOL.....why is it irrelevant?...I think it's VERY reletive.

It's irrelevant because QBs don't have to be the team leader, as I've already pointed out. Besides -- isn't that what coaches are for>
 
No the QB doesn't have to be the leader, but he can be.......and this team has no leader.


Fact is, VY has his weaknesses (INTs for one).
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Vince's TD to Int ratio was really good this year.....he has improved in that area..............26:10 = good.
 
Carr by the quarter after a failed 3rd down conversion:

1st- Slaps hands togther while smiling and looking up to the jumbo-tron. Sometimes hits his chest saying my bad

2nd- Looks at jumbo-tron, no smile, then goes straight over to Tony to see what he saw

3rd- Picks himself up off the ground and gets with the receivers on their route running and they say to him, throw it sooner cuz I'm never gonna be completely wide-open

4th- Picks himself off the ground again (a little slower this time around) hangs his head in shame, walks over to the sideline and everyone tells him it's gonna be OK, you're the golden boy from California. You'll be in the playoffs once we change coaches and they make the Line block for you because they were told to, not because they want to.
 
A big difference between the two is PERSONALITY.
Vince has camaraderie with his teammates and everyone he speaks to. David Carr has never had that. It is not part of his makeup.
Vince connects, has a winning personality that draws people to him, hence the leadership qualities. That isn't something you can study on. It's a natural God-given attribute.
David is from another mold. And even though we don't know how he acts in the locker room with the rest of the team... on the field his body language speaks volumes. When he isn't pouting and worrying about himself, he is looking up into his family's suite at Reliant. He is a wonderful family man and very religious, but he just doesn't have the diversity to be 'one of the guys' and have the ability to make them want to follow him (leadership) .. It just isn't there. And you can't manufacture that.
 
gtexan02 said:
VY couldn't possibly step out and lead a Texans team as a rookie anyway. Theres simply no way some of our experienced vets are going to get all fired up and passionate because some 22 year old kid yells the UT battle cry. You have to earn respect in the NFL, unlike colleg eor highschool where you can get itmuch more quickly with an amazing play or series, etc.
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Yes you have to earn respect, but in the end, players respect someone with mad skills. VY has accomplished stuff in college that most pros never did, which gives him a little bump.

Everybody knows what It is. If you have played any sports, there are certain players that people just want to follow and not disappoint. There is nothing that suggests that VY wouldn't have that characteristic and then some.

Maybe Carr has that too, but just hasn't had the tools around him. It is difficult to evaluate last season because of the injuries to key playmakers, the changes to the offensive staff, the limited offense, the very hard schedule at the beginning of the season compared to the easy schedule at the end, etc.

The biggest problem that Carr has now is that he has lost a lot of good will, fairly or unfairly, and many people think he can't play, and he has become both a local and national punchline. Winning will solve a lot of problems for him, but because of the loss of good will, he has run out of time--he has to win early next season for people to think that there is something there.

The bottom line, if the Texans win and Carr plays well, everything is cool. If the Texans don't win and he plays unwell, then it gets pretty dang ugly around here. That's lots of pressure on a guy to perform--and really hard in a team game where often what you do to win is not enough.

Anyways, yhings like "IT" or "he wants to play here" or "competitiveness" or things of that sort are just plus factors for VY but not the key reason you chose him. He is the BPA. A BPA QB that happens to have serious upside from the amazing stuff you have already seen.

Though I will have to say, I am not sure that having "IT" helps with QB vision, seeing your WRs, avoiding the rush etc. I mean, this guy here has IT and then some and I can't envision him being a good QB:

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Hard to throw the ball when dude has no arms.
 
When we talk about "IT" there is a small elite group of people that recognize "IT" right away and knows what that players next move is, where his emotions are, what's in his heart. These players include the likes of Jordan, Tiger, Magic, Bird, Montana, Singeltary, Lott. Those guys I bet recognized that guy on the TV that night. I bet when they were watching and it was 4th and 5 with seconds left, once the ball was snapped their hearing went muffled and they vicariously scored along with him knowing all along that a TD was gonna happen before the snap. "IT" is as rare as a perfect diamond, and not many have "IT".
 
But most scouts agree that he is not the BPA. In fact almost all believe that Reggie Bush is still the consensus top player in the draft. I heard Vinny Cerrato (VP of football operations for Redskins and former Bill Walsh talent evaluator) on ESPN radio the other day and he was talking about how he loves Vince Young and believes that he has the potential to be a great QB in the NFL, but you can't pass on a talent like Reggie Bush. He has been following Vince for a few years now and is really impressed with the improvements that he made, but said that it will take a few years for him to be NFL ready and he will have to go to a team that is willing to let him sit for a few years.

He said that the Texans will probably use Reggie Bush the same way that the Niners used Ricky Watters in the early 90's except that Bush is a lot better. He said that he plays a lot bigger than he actually is, and the "never runs to the outside" myth about him is untrue. He believes that you can't only blame David Carr for the team's failures and that Carr has the abilities to be a very good QB with proper coaching, protection, and weapons around him.
 
Its a little easier to have IT when you play on the best team in the nation, and most weeks are playing against teams that shouldn't even be sharing the same field. Texas played two tough opponents this year, Ohio St and USC. The rest of the games they just had to show up. When the team is this dominant its easy to display leadership, charisma or whatever.

Carr has led the league in sacks for four years. Didn't even have a QB coach his first two years. Has had to put up with literally incompetent offensive coordinators and planners.

The one game they let him call his own game against Arizona, he did great, and put up 27 points in the first half. The second half they go back to Joe calling the plays and they gain 63 yards for the half. Why did they change? were the coaches really that dumb? Looks like it.

In any event, my point is you have one guy in an extremely successful situation, and another in a very unsuccesful situation. If VY were losing games week after week, then he might not be quite the leader, or have IT.

This isn't meant to knock VY, but merely to say that I don't think that people have a good picture of DC, and that he has been in a very tough situation.
 
billtxus said:
Its a little easier to have IT when you play on the best team in the nation, and most weeks are playing against teams that shouldn't even be sharing the same field. Texas played two tough opponents this year, Ohio St and USC. The rest of the games they just had to show up. When the team is this dominant its easy to display leadership, charisma or whatever.

Carr has led the league in sacks for four years. Didn't even have a QB coach his first two years. Has had to put up with literally incompetent offensive coordinators and planners.

The one game they let him call his own game against Arizona, he did great, and put up 27 points in the first half. The second half they go back to Joe calling the plays and they gain 63 yards for the half. Why did they change? were the coaches really that dumb? Looks like it.

In any event, my point is you have one guy in an extremely successful situation, and another in a very unsuccesful situation. If VY were losing games week after week, then he might not be quite the leader, or have IT.

This isn't meant to knock VY, but merely to say that I don't think that people have a good picture of DC, and that he has been in a very tough situation.
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Excuse #1000000000000000002, any more?
 
I for one am pretty tired of hearing people on the radio say stuff like this: "I don't know what it is, but Vince just has 'IT', I can see it in his eyes." What is that supposed to mean other than you want him on the team and it's a convenient, non-substantial thing you can say to compliment Vince (or whoever your favorite player may be) and gripe about Carr. Anyone can come up with some ambiguous "IT" that their favorite player possesses in order to make them sound like the "answer" for our team, or just say "IT" for lack of any other compliment that actually bears some substance to it. At first I didn't like it, but after hearing these kinds of arguments from people, I'm beginning to see the connection to those eBay commercials that say "whatever IT is, find it on eBay." Well, whatever "IT" is, I see it in all my favorite players and it makes them a winner in my books.
 
MorKnolle said:
I for one am pretty tired of hearing people on the radio say stuff like this: "I don't know what it is, but Vince just has 'IT', I can see it in his eyes." What is that supposed to mean other than you want him on the team and it's a convenient, non-substantial thing you can say to compliment Vince (or whoever your favorite player may be) and gripe about Carr. Anyone can come up with some ambiguous "IT" that their favorite player possesses in order to make them sound like the "answer" for our team, or just say "IT" for lack of any other compliment that actually bears some substance to it. At first I didn't like it, but after hearing these kinds of arguments from people, I'm beginning to see the connection to those eBay commercials that say "whatever IT is, find it on eBay." Well, whatever "IT" is, I see it in all my favorite players and it makes them a winner in my books.
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"IT" is leadership and the attention, respect and adulation of his teammates and coaches. It's just hard for people to spell out (its an intangible...something Carr is short on)...so they say, "IT". Vince Young has "it" in my eyes. You know what I think of Carr...so no need for me to go on about "that".
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
When we talk about "IT" there is a small elite group of people that recognize "IT" right away and knows what that players next move is, where his emotions are, what's in his heart. These players include the likes of Jordan, Tiger, Magic, Bird, Montana, Singeltary, Lott. Those guys I bet recognized that guy on the TV that night. I bet when they were watching and it was 4th and 5 with seconds left, once the ball was snapped their hearing went muffled and they vicariously scored along with him knowing all along that a TD was gonna happen before the snap. "IT" is as rare as a perfect diamond, and not many have "IT".
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No offense, but this is the most ridiculously speculative post I have ever read: this in particular emerging from a hurricane of speculative, blankity-blank Vince Young blankity-blank posts (profanity involving unnnatural or vulgar expressions of affection deleted).

I don't know if you are writing a love letter to your girl or if you are talking about sports here, given the confusing use of previously distinguishable metaphors and word imagery.

Whether or not Vince Young has "it,' I am overly tired of hearing about "it." Unless you were having a party with above-mentioned sports celebrities at the time, you would do well to stop putting words in their mouths. It doesn't help your cause.
 
Vinny said:
"IT" is leadership and the attention, respect and adulation of his teammates and coaches.
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Looks like you did a good job spelling it out right here. And besides these words people can simply say he has the intangibles and it seems less like someone has a crush on VY. It all comes down to word choice. That's how debates are won/lost and this is why a lot of the arguments made in favor of VY seem hollow.
 
Carr had "it" when he was in college too. A lot of great college QB's have "it". The difference is whether you can bring "it" to the NFL. That is what separates the Peyton Mannings and the Ryan Leafs.
 
tulexan said:
Carr had "it" when he was in college too. A lot of great college QB's have "it". The difference is whether you can bring "it" to the NFL. That is what separates the Peyton Mannings and the Ryan Leafs.
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I concur! Carr was highly rated when it came to the intangibles like leadership and the desire to win.
 
Zephyr said:
Looks like you did a good job spelling it out right here. And besides these words people can simply say he has the intangibles and it seems less like someone has a crush on VY. It all comes down to word choice. That's how debates are won/lost and this is why a lot of the arguments made in favor of VY seem hollow.
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I think most of the arguments I read here are hollow...on both sides of this debate. I read about 1 good comment out of every 10 since the Rose bowl....and it's not going to change. You just have to know who has a consistently credible opinion over the years and try not to worry about the blowhards...on both sides of this debate.
 
Vinny said:
"IT" is leadership and the attention, respect and adulation of his teammates and coaches. It's just hard for people to spell out (its an intangible...something Carr is short on)...so they say, "IT". Vince Young has "it" in my eyes. You know what I think of Carr...so no need for me to go on about "that".
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To take this out of the Young vs. Carr context, IT is something that IMO is vastly misanalyzed and overstated based upon results in a team sport. While having IT in the NBA will more directly lift an entire team, having IT in the NFL can be either hidden by a poor team or bad results or can be imaginary based on a great team. Look just at this past weekend and the discussions of Manning. Manning doesn't get the last TD and he is once again the big game losing QB who made questionable judgement calls in crunch time. Wayne pulls in that next to last pass attempt and Manning would have been the IT king of the world. Fact is his leadership skills and IT factor didn't swing on that play, but most football fans will act like it did. IT is something you certainly want in players, but it is very hard for fans to really know who has IT IMO--success alone certainly doesn't equal IT.
 
infantrycak said:
To take this out of the Young vs. Carr context, IT is something that IMO is vastly misanalyzed and overstated based upon results in a team sport. While having IT in the NBA will more directly lift an entire team, having IT in the NFL can be either hidden by a poor team or bad results or can be imaginary based on a great team. Look just at this past weekend and the discussions of Manning. Manning doesn't get the last TD and he is once again the big game losing QB who made questionable judgement calls in crunch time. Wayne pulls in that next to last pass attempt and Manning would have been the IT king of the world. Fact is his leadership skills and IT factor didn't swing on that play, but most football fans will act like it did.
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I think there is much to be said for having great leadership qualities. I don't think Manning has them either (and why he can't seem to win when the going gets tough)....I think that most of his teammates consider him elitist and better than them (in Peytons mind), so I don't consider that a good choice of people to hold up in this argument.
 
Vinny said:
I think there is much to be said for having great leadership qualities. I don't think Manning has them either (and why he can't seem to win when the going gets tough)....I think that most of his teammates consider him elitist and better than them, so I don't consider that a good choice of people to hold up in this argument.
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Notice I didn't say Manning was a great leader. My point was to illustrate the perception of the public based on results using a recent example. I suspect Manning is regarded as an elitist but much of his team as well. Clearly having great leadership is a good thing--the point I was getting at was how to judge it, some do it by speeches, some without saying anything but just performing, some by quiet determination, some by fire--not all can be seen by fans.
 
Vinny said:
I think most of the arguments I read here are hollow...on both sides of this debate. I read about 1 good comment out of every 10 since the Rose bowl....and it's not going to change. You just have to know who has a consistently credible opinion over the years and try not to worry about the blowhards...on both sides of this debate.
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I agree, my problem with this debate is that so many people (on both the Vince and Reggie side) use arguments like this "IT" business that doesn't really say anything meaningful, much less "prove" anything as their main reason as to why their preferred player will be the man and the only option for the Texans. Indeed it is difficult to compare college players and NFL veterans, but I for one try to only bring arguments with some kind of substance to it other than ambiguous terms like this, and I get irritated, as you said, with reading one good comment out of ten on such subjects.

Vinny said:
I think there is much to be said for having great leadership qualities. I don't think Manning has them either (and why he can't seem to win when the going gets tough)....I think that most of his teammates consider him elitist and better than them (in Peytons mind), so I don't consider that a good choice of people to hold up in this argument.
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I'm not so sure that Peyton is viewed as an "elitist" that is above the team. I would definitely consider Peyton a perfectionist and I think he understands football very well and is a good student of the game when it comes to doing what he has to do and leading by example, but I'm not sure how good he is at lifting the play of others around him other than just playing a good game himself and putting the ball where it needs to be for his people to be successful. I don't see him with the same elite leadership of Joe Montana, John Elway, or the very few people we've seen like that (maybe even Tom Brady is getting there) who can single-handedly uplift the people on their team and find a way to will the team to a win (I think Michael Jordan is the prime example of this in professional sports, but I didn't want to bring in another basketball analogy, although I just mentioned it now so oh well). Anyways, that is a rare quality, some claim to see it in Vince Young, I personally don't see that aspect of it and even if I did he's still on the college level and until I see it in the pro's I will not be convinced.

infantrycak said:
Notice I didn't say Manning was a great leader. My point was to illustrate the perception of the public based on results using a recent example. I suspect Manning is regarded as an elitist but much of his team as well. Clearly having great leadership is a good thing--the point I was getting at was how to judge it, some do it by speeches, some without saying anything but just performing, some by quiet determination, some by fire--not all can be seen by fans.
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Agreed, leadership is shown in different ways and most of us don't get a chance to see everything that goes on with a team to fully understand that aspect of it.
 
I would like to point out that the "it" factor is a very legit intangible. I saw it many times when I was in the military. Some people have it and some people dont. That is not to say that it sometimes does not come out until certain circumstances are present. As far as Carr goes, I would like to bring up another Quaterback that was known to not have "it" his first couple of years in the league. That quarterback was Drew Brees, yet for the last two years he suddenly has "it" with his team and coaches. The same coaches that were going to toss him aside because he did not have it. It is amazing that when put to the test, and given talent around him suddenly his "it" factor multiplied. No one on this board can say Carr is not a leader until you are in that huddle, the rest is only speculation.

I have seen the biggest men run when they face danger and the weakest rise to the moment, take charge and push back the enemy. You never know what a man has in his heart until you walk in his shoes.
 
Grndzro said:
I would like to point out that the "it" factor is a very legit intangible. I saw it many times when I was in the military. Some people have it and some people dont. That is not to say that it sometimes does not come out until certain circumstances are present. As far as Carr goes, I would like to bring up another Quaterback that was known to not have "it" his first couple of years in the league. That quarterback was Drew Brees, yet for the last two years he suddenly has "it" with his team and coaches. The same coaches that were going to toss him aside because he did not have it. It is amazing that when put to the test, and given talent around him suddenly his "it" factor multiplied. No one on this board can say Carr is not a leader until you are in that huddle, the rest is only speculation.

I have seen the biggest men run when they face danger and the weakest rise to the moment, take charge and push back the enemy. You never know what a man has in his heart until you walk in his shoes.
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Very well said.
 
Thanks Cak, I get a little worked up when people question others heart and leadership when they have never walked in the persons shoes or know what is really going on within the team. Many of these posters have know idea what leadership is or what it takes to be a leader. Many can not lead themselves out of a one way hallway. Sorry just venting.
 
Grndzro said:
Thanks Cak, I get a little worked up when people question others heart and leadership when they have never walked in the persons shoes or know what is really going on within the team. Many of these posters have know idea what leadership is or what it takes to be a leader. Many can not lead themselves out of a one way hallway. Sorry just venting.
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I agree with your take 100%. The one's that are quick to judge one's abilities and worth are usually the one's that are the least qualified. To be in a position to evaluate one's abilities one has to have done it themselves to be trully objective in their judgements. I've not read this entire thread as it is quite long so forgive me if this a duplicate post.
 
Grndzro said:
I would like to point out that the "it" factor is a very legit intangible. I saw it many times when I was in the military. Some people have it and some people dont. That is not to say that it sometimes does not come out until certain circumstances are present. As far as Carr goes, I would like to bring up another Quaterback that was known to not have "it" his first couple of years in the league. That quarterback was Drew Brees, yet for the last two years he suddenly has "it" with his team and coaches. The same coaches that were going to toss him aside because he did not have it. It is amazing that when put to the test, and given talent around him suddenly his "it" factor multiplied. No one on this board can say Carr is not a leader until you are in that huddle, the rest is only speculation.

I have seen the biggest men run when they face danger and the weakest rise to the moment, take charge and push back the enemy. You never know what a man has in his heart until you walk in his shoes.
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And by the way ... thanks for serving our country and we, the citizens. You are very much appreciated for it.
 
jerek said:
No offense, but this is the most ridiculously speculative post I have ever read: this in particular emerging from a hurricane of speculative, blankity-blank Vince Young blankity-blank posts (profanity involving unnnatural or vulgar expressions of affection deleted).

I don't know if you are writing a love letter to your girl or if you are talking about sports here, given the confusing use of previously distinguishable metaphors and word imagery.

Whether or not Vince Young has "it,' I am overly tired of hearing about "it." Unless you were having a party with above-mentioned sports celebrities at the time, you would do well to stop putting words in their mouths. It doesn't help your cause.
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When you go on with the trolling that you do it makes me more excited about our bet.
I'll let you win this little battle, but remember, if you want stats and sources and links and quotes, go read a sports mag, or paper, or watch your fav sports channel.
If a speculatory post on a MB in a large city gets your panties in a wad, then may I suggest that you take up a new hobby
:goodnight
 
Thanks for the kind words guys, I want to say that i believe that true leadership is born through adversity. I hope we would all agree that Carr has had plenty of that. If you do not believe that he is a leader then thats fine, but before you spout off on a diatribe about leadership make sure you know what your talking about and don't dishonor those that do. I have not posted this in defense of Carr, but I can not in all fairness make a judgement either like some of you have based on what the facts are. I am sorry to say that the facts are nill since I nor any of you are on the team. Thanks again for the kind words, but I am home safe, many others need your prayer and support.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
When you go on with the trolling that you do it makes me more excited about our bet.
I'll let you win this little battle, but remember, if you want stats and sources and links and quotes, go read a sports mag, or paper, or watch your fav sports channel.
If a speculatory post on a MB in a large city gets your panties in a wad, then may I suggest that you take up a new hobby
:goodnight
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I was recently warned about name calling and derogatory commentary, so I will refrain from escalating this little war of words with you further.

In the meanwhile, speculation is fine. Hell, we are all speculating on here every day right now. What if, what if, what if?

On the other hand, pulling emotional, 100%-factless, ... I mean, really, I have no other words for your post. I can't even describe how utterly ... damn. I give up. Mike and Tiger and all the boys sitting around, engaged in some dream sequence about Vince right out of a B-grade "adult" film ... I give up. I can't write any more about this without pissing off a mod and getting banned again.

Next time you hear Mike or Tiger or any of these other people publically state something, or next time you are over at their house for steak and grits, feel free to drop me a line with their innermost thoughts on the MB.

Until then, please don't get your panties in a twist over a guy who hasn't played a down in the NFL yet.

And I'd like my 50 dollars in small, unmarked, non sequential bills, please. And I hope you don't welch on me when you lose, cause that would be really [bleep].
 
And for the record, before I get another "STOP HATTING VINCE!! BLIND CARR HOMER!" reply, I think the guy is a good quarterback. I think he will need a year or two to be ready to perform at a high level in this league, but I think he will perform at a high level in this league.

Even debating the relative, less tangible merits such as "it" factor: that is well and good.

Just leave the strange fantasies out of it. Please.
 
infantrycak said:
To take this out of the Young vs. Carr context, IT is something that IMO is vastly misanalyzed and overstated based upon results in a team sport. While having IT in the NBA will more directly lift an entire team, having IT in the NFL can be either hidden by a poor team or bad results or can be imaginary based on a great team.
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The team sport point is very valid - how much IT would Young have lost if his defensive teammates had not stopped USC on that final 4th down run? No final drive to win the game; no national championship. Would he then have "It" or just "it"?

In reality his IT wouldn't have changed. Just our perceptions - based on a play that occured when he wasn't on the field.
 
Double Barrel said:
To keep things in perspective, though, many players have "IT" in college but are complete flops in the pros. Andre Ware, Eric Crouch, Danny Wuerffel, Rashaan Salaamm, Jason White, Chris Weinke, Ron Dayne, Ty Detmer...just to name a few Heisman winners that were busts in the NFL. They definitely had some form of "IT" in the college ranks, though.

Not comparing any of the above examples to Vince Young. But rather pointing out that a great college career does not necessarily guarantee any measure of success in professional football.
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If what a player does in college does not matter then why is Reggie Bush on the top of your list?:hmmm:
 
What you do in college does matter, I don't care what anyone says...Of course some guys that performed well get taken later because scouts nit pick them to death...but when have you seen someone who has done poorly get taken early??? College does matter because that is all we have to judge any player off of...If college didn't matter then Bush woulda just sat out after his stellar high school career and still went #1
 
You talk about "it" like there is only one way to have it. I don't know Carr or Young all I can see is what is shown on TV. We all assume Carr doesn't have "it" because he doesn't show it on the field, but what about off the field. Same thing with Young we don't know what goes on with him when he's not on the screen. All this about oh well he gets together with his team mates and does this and that. All his team mates go to the same school, live in the same city its not the same in the NFL where your teammates might not even live in the same city. I think Carr has "it" maybe not the same "it" as Young, but he is a leader in his way.
 
IMO, the "it" factor is a rare thing. I think "it" transcends any one given sport. For example, I think that it's so rare, there may be only one guy in each sport who has "it." "It" transcends skill.

The "it" factor is only possessed only by those who have come up in clutch situations (championship games.) Guys that put their team on their back and just win these games. They all have different ways of doing whatever they have to do just to win the damn game.

"It" is only reserved for guys who have won championships. The reason why it is called the "it" factor is because there is no physical or scientific way to explain it. We know it's not in the dictionary. There might be guys who have "it" and haven't shown "it" yet. Some of the names I've seen in this thread don't have "it."......nobody whose last name is Manning....Brees doesn't have "it." At least not yet.

IMO, if it's something you've seen in slow motion in a Gatorade commercial, then you probably have seen an "it" moment.
 
infantrycak said:
To take this out of the Young vs. Carr context, IT is something that IMO is vastly misanalyzed and overstated based upon results in a team sport. While having IT in the NBA will more directly lift an entire team, having IT in the NFL can be either hidden by a poor team or bad results or can be imaginary based on a great team. Look just at this past weekend and the discussions of Manning. Manning doesn't get the last TD and he is once again the big game losing QB who made questionable judgement calls in crunch time. Wayne pulls in that next to last pass attempt and Manning would have been the IT king of the world. Fact is his leadership skills and IT factor didn't swing on that play, but most football fans will act like it did. IT is something you certainly want in players, but it is very hard for fans to really know who has IT IMO--success alone certainly doesn't equal IT.
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I wonder if you still feel the same way?
 
hightened awarness + energy + internal momentum = IT

There is a such thing as IT....


I remember when I was in highschool our starting running back got hurt....Our back-up RB was no slouch......He started the game and ran for 295 yards....set a record.....

But...

The next game our starter comes back, and I really can't explain it, but when you play with special players it gives the whole team added confidence....I've never played with a QB of VY's caliber, but I can pretty much imagine how those guys feel when he steps onto the field....

Yeah there are other guys making the catches...making the tackles....making key blocks, but do not underestimate IT....
 
Vinny said:
I wonder if you still feel the same way?
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LOL, you know how many of these threads you could pull out of the archives and laugh at? I made one right before the draft for everyone to put their final thought in one thread if VY would be successful in the NFL or not. I bookmarked it and thought I would bring it back up 3 years from now. I never dreamed I could be pulling it up just a few months later. I think I accidently deleted the bookmark though.
 
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