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Brett Hundley

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Time to start his own thread for Texan future consideration. Hundley is a big athletic QB 6040 225. Shows poise in pocket, has mobility to create & strong arm. Out of this upcoming draft eligible, QB class he seems to me our best chance to take the reigns for Bill O'Brian's offense. May take some bold maneuvering (move up into top 5 picks- draft day) but strike while opportunity is possible. Here is some background & information for your reading pleasure, will track his progress on field intently this College season. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...letter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl
 
Top 5?

Surely Winston is coming out & Mariota. You think there will be three QBs go in the top 5?
 
thunderkyss said:
Top 5?

Surely Winston is coming out & Mariota. You think there will be three QBs go in the top 5?
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Don't be certain that Winston is coming out. If he remains out of trouble legally this season, he might play another year and then be #1 pick. If all three are top five that should give Houston better chance at Bryce a few picks later or maybe even at a trade down. If they are too greedy.
 
beerlover said:
Time to start his own thread for Texan future consideration. Hundley is a big athletic QB 6040 225. Shows poise in pocket, has mobility to create & strong arm. Out of this upcoming draft eligible, QB class he seems to me our best chance to take the reigns for Bill O'Brian's offense. May take some bold maneuvering (move up into top 5 picks- draft day) but strike while opportunity is possible. Here is some background & information for your reading pleasure, will track his progress on field intently this College season. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...letter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl
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I was big fan of Hundley last year but his slightly off passes could/would be interceptions in the NFL. I also will watch him at UCLA and see if he can correct his throwing motions in turn increasing his accuracy. As of today I think Texans have to draft a QB first round. unlike 2014 draft it seems 2015 qb depth will be at most two rounds deep, if that.
 
After the 2013 season ended, of the possible QBs that could have been eligible for the draft, Hundley was not in my Top 10. He was a day 2 or 3 project. He needed to go back to school, which he did. I have to see much more improvement before he becomes a day 1 QB candidate for my draft board.
 
Liked him but I thought like Manziel (but for different reasons) needed to stay in school. I will be watching UCLA games carefully this season.
 
Last yr the game proved to be fast mentally for Hundley. He also needs to greatly improve his timing/accuracy issues.

Hopefully he can improve this part of his game, or he could become this yrs Taj Boyd.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hopefully he can improve this part of his game, or he could become this yrs Taj Boyd.
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I remember in Gruden's QB Camp, he was going over film with Boyd. It was a play where Boyd missed a lot, from the protection to a couple of open receivers. Gruden asked him how many times he'd seen that play & Boyd said "None."

As if the coaches didn't review game film with their QB to try to fix obvious mistakes, or as if Boyd never bothered to pay attention.

I think what happens with guys like Boyd is that their talent gets them noticed, but they either have enough talent to stay ahead of the curve, like Cam, or they study & practice, & put in the work, like Bridgewater.
 
thunderkyss said:
I remember in Gruden's QB Camp, he was going over film with Boyd. It was a play where Boyd missed a lot, from the protection to a couple of open receivers. Gruden asked him how many times he'd seen that play & Boyd said "None."

As if the coaches didn't review game film with their QB to try to fix obvious mistakes, or as if Boyd never bothered to pay attention.

I think what happens with guys like Boyd is that their talent gets them noticed, but they either have enough talent to stay ahead of the curve, like Cam, or they study & practice, & put in the work, like Bridgewater.
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Good generalization but you have to be careful making those assumptions. I watched a lot more of UCLA than I did Clemson but I think Boyd stock was based off a measurement of maturity & supporting cast weapons instead of how well he transitions into the NFL as franchise QB. Tajh was very mature, prolific QB early on, poised, polished (of course with areas of weakness) covered up somewhat by being blessed with big time targets. Stout & stocky he was physically developed & looked ready, while tall athletic QB's like Hundley , Mariota struggled @ times to grow into their frames. What you focus on is not how good he is now or has been but what he will be in 3-5 years. Hundley has huge upside that translates into a much higher draft grade than most here seem to imagine.
 
After watching several of the Hundley game videos I have noticed he is a one read get the ball out quick QB. Hundley also throws a inordinate number of bubble screens.
 
Texian said:
After watching several of the Hundley game videos I have noticed he is a one read get the ball out quick QB. Hundley also throws a inordinate number of bubble screens.
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Yep, kinda reminds me of the offense that Heath Shuler ran at Tennessee and we all saw how well that transferred to the NFL.

1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Cook
4. Petty

So the Texans should be able to find their QB in the next draft. Even if they have to trade up the cost shouldn't be to great.
 
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Dane Brugler -
1. Oakland Raiders -- QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Yes, the Raiders drafted Derek Carr in the second round in May, but if Oakland is picking No. 1 overall in 2015, that probably means the Raiders will have a new general manager, head coach and braintrust in the front office, which puts Mariota in play. The Oregon passer has all the tools, physically and mentally, that NFL teams are searching for at the position.

2. Minnesota Vikings -- DL Leonard Williams, USC

3. Cleveland Browns -- OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M

4. Houston Texans -- QB Jameis Winston, Florida State
With the No. 1 overall pick last year, the Texans decided to pass on a quarterback, drafting Tom Savage with the 135th pick in the fourth round instead. Head coach Bill O'Brien can't be overly excited about his current quarterback situation and with several talented passers projected to be in the 2015 class, including Winston, it will be much tougher for Houston to pass on a quarterback in the first round of next year's draft.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars -- DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska

6. Cleveland Browns (from BUF) -- S Landon Collins, Alabama

7. Washington Redskins -- DE Mario Edwards, Florida State

8. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- QB Brett Hundley, UCLA
With a new front office and coaching staff taking over in Tampa, the long-term plan for the roster, notably the quarterback position, is an unknown at this point. But if the Buccaneers are picking in the top-10 again next spring, quarterback has to be high on the team's wish list. Hundley has all the physical tools and with improved consistency in 2014, he will be considered a possible top-10 pick.

9. Tennessee Titans -- QB Connor Cook, Michigan State
Unless Jake Locker takes a big step forward in his development in 2014, there is a chance this season is his final one in Tennessee. An offensive-minded head coach, Ken Whisenhunt likely wants a quarterback who can push the ball downfield and command the huddle and Cook checks those boxes and could be a surprise high pick.

10. Pittsburgh Steelers -- CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, Oregon
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At the moment, I do not consider Hundley as a bona fide franchise QB.

I see only two: Mariota and Winston.

Mariota doesn't quite fit OB's scheme, since he doesn't play hardly, if at all, from under center.
I still prefer Mariota over Winston due to off-the-field concerns.

I think I like Petty more than Hundley.
Connor Cook is another name to watch, even though both Hundley and Cook may go back for another year.
We'll see how much these guys progress, but at the moment, I can only the top two guys being able to perform well under duress at the NFL level.
 
76Texan said:
At the moment, I do not consider Hundley as a bona fide franchise QB.

I see only two: Mariota and Winston.

Mariota doesn't quite fit OB's scheme, since he doesn't play hardly, if at all, from under center.
I still prefer Mariota over Winston due to off-the-field concerns.

I think I like Petty more than Hundley.
Connor Cook is another name to watch, even though both Hundley and Cook may go back for another year.
We'll see how much these guys progress, but at the moment, I can only the top two guys being able to perform well under duress at the NFL level.
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Keenum and Savage seem to be playing from shotgun a bit so far. I usually don't think much of a QB under 60% accuracy and Connor Cook was at 58.7 in 2013 albeit as a sophomore. Also if one is to consider drafting Winston then WR Dorial Green-Beckam should be considered also.
 
badboy said:
Keenum and Savage seem to be playing from shotgun a bit so far. I usually don't think much of a QB under 60% accuracy and Connor Cook was at 58.7 in 2013 albeit as a sophomore. Also if one is to consider drafting Winston then WR Dorial Green-Beckam should be considered also.
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Personally, I wouldn't take either Winston or Beckham; just commenting on their talent and skills.

For a young first time starter, Cook's TD/INT is good 22/6.
I just want to keep an eye on him to see how he progresses.
He already said that he would come back to school, not just this coming year, but also the following year; so unless he has a tremendous year, I don't think we'll see him in the upcoming draft.

We'll just have to wait and see if Petty, Hundley, Mannion, etc can take a big step forward.
 
76Texan said:
Mariota doesn't quite fit OB's scheme, since he doesn't play hardly, if at all, from under center.
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IMO, whether a guy plays from under center or not shouldn't be a determining factor on whether or not a player fits a particular system. It's not like coaches at the college level ask the QB if they want to play under center or not, or changes from one system to another depending on their QB. Guys like Roethlisberger & Flacco did not play much from under center.

Again, jmo, but if a guy didn't play much from under center in college then it might mean it'll take longer for him to get acclimated to doing it than someone who did.

It might be a tie-breaker of sorts, all things being equal.

That's not to say Mariota fits OB's "scheme" I have no opinion on that.
 
thunderkyss said:
IMO, whether a guy plays from under center or not shouldn't be a determining factor on whether or not a player fits a particular system. It's not like coaches at the college level ask the QB if they want to play under center or not, or changes from one system to another depending on their QB. Guys like Roethlisberger & Flacco did not play much from under center.

Again, jmo, but if a guy didn't play much from under center in college then it might mean it'll take longer for him to get acclimated to doing it than someone who did.

It might be a tie-breaker of sorts, all things being equal.

That's not to say Mariota fits OB's "scheme" I have no opinion on that.
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All things being equal is the key words.

Let's say Winston doesn't have any of that of the field baggage; it would be tough for me to decide between the two of them.

For some reason, I do like Mariota a little more.
At the end of the day, I'd probably go with Winston to be on the sure side of things.
There's no telling how long it would take for Mariota to be as efficient from under center.
There's no guarantee that he will ever be as efficient from under center.

But with Winston out of the equation, Mariota is a no brainer for me.
 
He uses his running to set up the pass. A less athletic and less precise RG3. Has a bigger frame so is probably more durable but that might be it.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
He uses his running to set up the pass. A less athletic and less precise RG3. Has a bigger frame so is probably more durable but that might be it.
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I enjoy comparable's. Never thought once of Robert Griffin but now that you mention him there is one comparable I would like to make & that is this time, beginning of RG3 Jr. season most people didn't think he was worth a first round pick, certainly not top 5 & #2 overall behind only Andrew Luck.

I'm not sure if this is process of hyperbole development, laying foundation among fellow draft clones or just passing of another College Football season, but invariably in the end, we wind up thinking a whole lot more about prospects when tape & game film are fresh in one's mind. In my own mind having watched College players over the years Brett Hundley's comp is Colin Kaepernick. I just don't want to see another one just slip by the Texans :logo:
 
beerlover said:
I enjoy comparable's. Never thought once of Robert Griffin but now that you mention him there is one comparable I would like to make & that is this time, beginning of RG3 Jr. season most people didn't think he was worth a first round pick, certainly not top 5 & #2 overall behind only Andrew Luck.

I'm not sure if this is process of hyperbole development, laying foundation among fellow draft clones or just passing of another College Football season, but invariably in the end, we wind up thinking a whole lot more about prospects when tape & game film are fresh in one's mind. In my own mind having watched College players over the years Brett Hundley's comp is Colin Kaepernick. I just don't want to see another one just slip by the Texans :logo:
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the only comparable as of yet between RG3 and Hundley is size and the latter does run some. Hundley nowhere near RG3 athletics but then he does not have to be to earn a first round grade.
 
I think the Kaepernick comparison is spot on. He doesn't have quite the rifle that Kaepernick does but the size and athleticism are comparable. He's raw and unpolished just as Kaepernick was also. He does have an advantage with Noel Mazzone as his OC. They do use some pro concepts and they run an NFL route tree. He does have progressions to go through although he needs to improve in that area. He's too reliant on his running ability right now.

I really like Hundley, but he needs to prove it this year if he wants to be in the same discussion with the top guys.
 
WolverineFan said:
I think the Kaepernick comparison is spot on. He doesn't have quite the rifle that Kaepernick does but the size and athleticism are comparable. He's raw and unpolished just as Kaepernick was also. .
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So does that mean a low first, early second rounds value?
 
thunderkyss said:
So does that mean a low first, early second rounds value?
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In depends on the number of bubble screens he throws. In the past he has thrown a very high number of bubble screens, this inflates his completion % and his QB efficiency rating.
 
Texian said:
In depends on the number of bubble screens he throws. In the past he has thrown a very high number of bubble screens, this inflates his completion % and his QB efficiency rating.
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agreed. Hundley like the others needs to have a very good 2014 to increase his worth. This includes staying out of trouble, Jameis! :kitten:
 
steelbtexan said:
With the 1st pick in the 2014 draft the HOUSTON TEXANS select Jameis Winston QB Fla St.
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Bortles is looking pretty good. Footwork in pocket much improved. arm strength as well looks like he belongs in NFL. Think I would select him ahead of Winston?
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, kinda reminds me of the offense that Heath Shuler ran at Tennessee and we all saw how well that transferred to the NFL.

1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Cook
4. Petty

So the Texans should be able to find their QB in the next draft. Even if they have to trade up the cost shouldn't be to great.
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Petty is a 3rd at best talent. Mariota will get exposed once people watch the tape. To me,winston is a top pick as a qb and after that, the next qb should be in the 20s.
 
leebigeztx said:
Petty is a 3rd at best talent. Mariota will get exposed once people watch the tape. To me,winston is a top pick as a qb and after that, the next qb should be in the 20s.
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Agreed

Do you think the McNairs/Smith will see Winston as Texans worthy?
 
beerlover said:
exactly where do you think he would have been drafted in 2014 had he declared?
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I soon delete most draftees info from puter between my ears within days after draft, I think I was high on Hundley early then realized he should and probably would go to school. As season wore on, he threw only 1 INT last 158 passes & should he continue to improve, he could be first QB taken. I am very concerned and have stated elsewhere some time ago that Mariotta could have a fall like Bridgewater but that is more caution on my part than any tea leaf reading. '14 I would have guessed 14-21 area due to need of QBs. If Mariota, Winston (if he remains out of trouble) and Petty have seasons I hope for, Hundley might do well to go back for his senior year to get closer shot at top.
 
beerlover said:
Bortles is looking pretty good. Footwork in pocket much improved. arm strength as well looks like he belongs in NFL. Think I would select him ahead of Winston?
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I would.

I was rough on Bortles at the start but by the time I had finished my research I concluded that he'll be the best QB out of the 2014 and 2015 draft classes (yet to be finalized obviously but that's where I stand right now). I would've taken him over Clowney.

I want to get involved in threads like this because I'm pumped up about football starting back up, but I'm feeling like there's really no point. I'm already seeing mock drafts with four or five QBs going in the top 8. It's almost like nobody learned a single thing from this past class.

If 2014 isn't the greatest QB class ever, 2015 will be!
 
I would also stay away from Winston. I know I'm in the minority but he has three huge red flags to me.

- Multiple times he's been in trouble with the law already.
- Dumb as a rock.
- Surrounded by NFL talent at literally every single position on offense.

We're seeing legal problems worse than Cam Newton's, intelligence about on par with Vince Young, and a college offense so loaded that it could make Matt Leinart look good. If I'm wrong it's my loss, but this guy isn't even on my draft board unless a lot changes.
 
Texian said:
After the 2013 season ended, of the possible QBs that could have been eligible for the draft, Hundley was not in my Top 10. He was a day 2 or 3 project. He needed to go back to school, which he did. I have to see much more improvement before he becomes a day 1 QB candidate for my draft board.
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I totally agree with this.
 
bah007 said:
I would also stay away from Winston. I know I'm in the minority but he has three huge red flags to me.

- Multiple times he's been in trouble with the law already.
- Dumb as a rock.
- Surrounded by NFL talent at literally every single position on offense.

We're seeing legal problems worse than Cam Newton's, intelligence about on par with Vince Young, and a college offense so loaded that it could make Matt Leinart look good. If I'm wrong it's my loss, but this guy isn't even on my draft board unless a lot changes.
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I also agree with this. :)
 
Texian said:
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2277514&postcount=139
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I like Petty a lot

Winston has always been #1 on my board. (Check out the Bridgewater thread) But I moved Petty ahead of him after all of the Winston BS started.

I also liked disliked Mariota at the time because he was playing like crap. Come to find out he was playing with a shoulder injury. This proves he is a tough guy so I moved him back up my list.

Petty is very talented and has a work ethic that is 2nd to none. With his work ethic/talent he has the ability to overtake Winston/Mariota for #1 and I expect this to happen.

Cook really impressed me with his accuracy/poise and the abilty to continue thru his progressions while under duress.

Bottom line for me is, hopefully Savage plays well enough to make the need at QB a moot point.
 
bah007 said:
I would also stay away from Winston. I know I'm in the minority but he has three huge red flags to me.

- Multiple times he's been in trouble with the law already.
- Dumb as a rock.
- Surrounded by NFL talent at literally every single position on offense.

We're seeing legal problems worse than Cam Newton's, intelligence about on par with Vince Young, and a college offense so loaded that it could make Matt Leinart look good. If I'm wrong it's my loss, but this guy isn't even on my draft board unless a lot changes.
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Well for a rock he did pretty well. So far to my knowledge he has stolen some crab legs and that shows immaturity.
 
Hundley begins his first test this season Saturday noon on ESPN against Virginia-

Over the past two seasons, RS junior QB Brett Hundley (6-3 | 227 | 4.64 | #17) has flashed outstanding NFL potential with the natural tools pro scouts look for at the position. Is this the season he takes the next step in his development? Time will tell and it starts with an underrated road test in Charlottesville. Senior SS Anthony Harris (6-1 | 190 | 4.57 | #8) is a ballhawking safety and ranks as one of the top safety prospects in all of college football. He and junior DE Eli Harold (6-4 | 235 | 4.73 | #7) are Virginia's top prospects on defense.
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NCTexan said:
As someone who grew up a UVA fan, and still cheer for them against anyone but Carolina, calling Virginia a test may be a bit of a stretch.
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I agree that, as a team, it shouldn't be that tough of a test. They do have some NFL talent on defense though. Eli Harold (DE) had a fantastic year last year and could be a 1st or 2nd round draft pick if he continues his development. They have some decent LB's as well and Harris (S) and Nicholson (CB) will likely get drafted.

Also, stud freshmen Andrew Brown (DT) and Quin Blanding (S) will be making their debuts. Brown may have a tough transition to college as an interior D-Lineman, but I expect Blanding to be pretty good right off the bat.

They have talent on offense as well with Parks, Mizzell, Jennings, and Johnson and they have put a few OL into the league the last few years. Really the biggest problem for UVA is their QB play has been downright atrocious for the last decade. Teams can get away with poor QB play if they have a great defense and a solid running game. But UVA doesn't a great defense they have a solid one. And they don't have poor QB play, it's been disastrous.
 
beerlover said:
I enjoy comparable's. Never thought once of Robert Griffin but now that you mention him there is one comparable I would like to make & that is this time, beginning of RG3 Jr. season most people didn't think he was worth a first round pick, certainly not top 5 & #2 overall behind only Andrew Luck.

I'm not sure if this is process of hyperbole development, laying foundation among fellow draft clones or just passing of another College Football season, but invariably in the end, we wind up thinking a whole lot more about prospects when tape & game film are fresh in one's mind. In my own mind having watched College players over the years Brett Hundley's comp is Colin Kaepernick. I just don't want to see another one just slip by the Texans :logo:
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On this board,I think many would draft QB with every 1st round pick so there would be 32 QBs taken every year.
 
Marshall said:
On this board,I think many would draft QB with every 1st round pick so there would be 32 QBs taken every year.
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If only we were as smart as you.


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That smilie has absolutely nothing to do with this pos, just noticed it, couldn't help but use it.
 
Just finished watching and grading Hundley vs Virginia. Hundley is this year what he was last year, not a very good QB. This year like last year Hundley is not a Top 10 college QB. Needs to return to school in 2015. A very poor man's Duante Culpepper.

Hundley does not see the field well. He has poor footwork and his accuracy is terrible. Hundley only has a so - so arm. Hundley holds the ball way to long that leads to unnecessary sacks. Hundley does not handle pressure well and as a result drops his eyes. Hundley is a threat to run and does make good decisions when he runs the ball.

UCLA - #94 Odighizuwa; #30 Jack and #6 Kendrick played an excellent game. They're a very quick and athletic. All 3 are Sunday players. Without their play and efforts Virginia wins the game. Final score was UCLA 28 - Virginia 20 and the UCLA Defense scored 21 points.
 
I agree. I did not see much progression (if any) from last year. He struggled when faced with pressure and drops his eyes too often. He made a couple of really good 3rd down throws when under pressure, but they were few and far between. Very inconsistent performance.

Now, granted, his OL was pretty darn bad but if you're going to be a top pick at QB then you need to rise above that. He really struggled with the pressure UVA brought his way today. I still like him personally, but he still has a long way to go.

With all that said I have to say I was pretty impressed with Virginia's defense. They played very aggressive. I love Jon Tenuta's approach to defense. He may get burnt occasionally but he is going to come after you. I love that kind of defensive approach.
 
I'm not going to make any excuses for his first game of season, continuous develop performance.

What I liked:

brings physical presence
Looks to throw first in pocket
Goes through progressions
Improved his arm strength

What I didn't like:

Footwork
Accuracy
Needs a quicker release
Pre-snap reads, check offs
 
WolverineFan said:
Now, granted, his OL was pretty darn bad but if you're going to be a top pick at QB then you need to rise above that. He really struggled with the pressure UVA brought his way today. I still like him personally, but he still has a long way to go.
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Hundley makes his OL look worse than it is. Hundley is slow to process all the information needed to make quick decisions.
 
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