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Which rookie QB starts soonest?

Which rookie QB starts soonest?

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TB gets 1st crack....There are already stories coming about how he has surprised the coaching staff with how well he's picking up the playbook, his work habits and whatnot. We could very well see the same situation as what happened in Seattle with Russell Wilson where they just can't justify holding him back.

After that, i believe its either Derek Carr or Manziel. Carr b/c Schaub's likely to get injured playing behind that OL and no real support on offense. Manziel b/c of the fan/owner outcry and/or another injury to Hoyer.
 
I think TB is the starter for the first pre-season game coming out of camp so the best someone else can do is tie him, IMO.

So if I'm voting for next after him I'd take Derek Carr, then Bortles.

I don't think Schaub is going to last as the starter long in Oakland and I just think Bortles is the next most likely after that.

Manziel may get in there...I don't know...I doubt he actually beats out the QB ahead of him and I think if he plays it'll be because the team isn't doing well overall...
 
Bridgewater has apparently looked awesome in camp and has nobody in front of him worth a crap. I think he is the most sure fire day one starter and that we're going to kick ourselves for not trading up with Seattle to get him just because he's not a system fit.
 
Bortles and Bridgewater are going to be starting week 1. Bortles is already popular in Orlando and the Jags are going to pick up some fans here as soon as he is starting.

Bridge is a no brainer and whom I initially wanted the Texans to grab.
 
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[B]First-Round Rookie QBs Since Merger[/B]

                        [U]1970-2007[/U]	[U][B]2008-13[/B][/U]
[B]Pct starting Week 1[/B]	   20%	          [B]69%[/B]
[B]Average starts[/B]	           5.4	         [B]12.3[/B]
Win pct	                  37.4%	         [B]45.7%[/B]
TD/Int ratio	           0.7	          [B]1.1[/B]

A look at rookie first-round QBs since the merger by the numbers.

5 – Each of the last 5 quarterbacks drafted in the first round started in Week 1 of their rookie seasons, the longest streak since the merger.

78 – 78 percent of quarterbacks drafted in the first round started at least one game as rookies (71 of 91).

49 – 49 percent of first-round quarterbacks started within their team’s first five games in their rookie seasons (45 of 91).

3 – Teams that draft a quarterback in the top five are even more unlikely to sit him as a rookie. Only three of the 41 quarterbacks drafted in the top five did not start a game as a rookie.
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Bridgewater, IMO. Manziel is already in the doghouse and the new staff seems like to be giving Hoyer a pretty long leash. Jags seem dead-set on giving Bortles a redshirt year (which I agree with). Carr will probably get starts but the Radiers seem to have a lot of faith in Schaub. We have no intention of starting Savage just like the Titans have no intention of starting Mett.
 
Manziel starts first, as Hoyer will show in preseason that he's not the answer.

Bridgewater could start, but I think Zimmer wants to give the vet Cassel a chance first.

Henne is better than Bortles, right now. Bradley wants to win more than develop players. If they aren't competitive early, Bortles will come in.

Carr will start when the Raiders are out of postseason consideration. About week 8, I'd say.

There will have to be a lot of injuries or losses for Savage or Mettenberger to see the field, as they are both 3rd string.
 
WolverineFan said:
Bridgewater, IMO. Manziel is already in the doghouse and the new staff seems like to be giving Hoyer a pretty long leash. Jags seem dead-set on giving Bortles a redshirt year (which I agree with). Carr will probably get starts but the Radiers seem to have a lot of faith in Schaub. We have no intention of starting Savage just like the Titans have no intention of starting Mett.
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TB is already splitting reps with Cassel
 
I think Bridgewater will definitely be forced into the lineup the soonest. In the draft, he was considered the most NFL-ready BUT... we'll see how long that lasts.

I think the Jags want to let Bortles develop at his own pace and they're not going to try to push him too hard or too quickly, but I don't know how successful they're going to be at that.

I had thought Savage would be pressed into duty pretty quick -- within the first 4 games -- but I'm starting to think I was wrong. Granted, it's only been a couple of days of TC and there's a long way to go but from the reports, Fitz is looking a lot better than I expected and Savage is looking like a rookie. I think the coaches and FO want Savage to develop but I don't think they feel any pressure to force him onto the field before he's ready.

I just wish he'd get ready quicker than anyone has a reasonable right to expect.
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Fans want Johnny M but really think it will be TB as Cassel will start like week 1 and if he falters, TB will be ready to go! From there on out in MN!
 
Voted Bridgewater. Texans were this close (one pick away). I don't know who to be more angry at? The Texans who didn't try to trade up (or maybe they did but Rick failed)? The Vikings for jumping just ahead of Texans? Or Hawks for making trade to begin with living life of Kings after winning the Superbowl & thinking they didn't need to add a much better OL prospect than Britt?

After preseason, barring injury, don't see how Teddy is not week one starter :specnatz:
 
beerlover said:
Voted Bridgewater. Texans were this close (one pick away). I don't know who to be more angry at? The Texans who didn't try to trade up (or maybe they did but Rick failed)? The Vikings for jumping just ahead of Texans? Or Hawks for making trade to begin with living life of Kings after winning the Superbowl & thinking they didn't need to add a much better OL prospect than Britt?

After preseason, barring injury, don't see how Teddy is not week one starter :specnatz:
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I do not believe that TB was the Texan's guy at 33. Even if the Vikings hadn't jumped ahead of them, I don't think they would have taken him. Their interest in him, what wasn't purely manufactured by the media, was totally a smokescreen to keep people from knowing who they were really after and how they really had players graded.

So if you're going to be mad at the Texans FO for something, be mad at them for not wanting TB to begin with.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do not believe that TB was the Texan's guy at 33. Even if the Vikings hadn't jumped ahead of them, I don't think they would have taken him. Their interest in him, what wasn't purely manufactured by the media, was totally a smokescreen to keep people from knowing who they were really after and how they really had players graded.

So if you're going to be mad at the Texans FO for something, be mad at them for not wanting TB to begin with.
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regardless still comes down to Rick Smith/Bill O'Brian.

His epic pro-day gloves off debacle should have been flushed down the toilet, watched enough game film to know he was the most Pro-Ready QB, over Bortles, Texans needed to address QB & passed, even @ fair value point :rake:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do not believe that TB was the Texan's guy at 33. Even if the Vikings hadn't jumped ahead of them, I don't think they would have taken him. Their interest in him, what wasn't purely manufactured by the media, was totally a smokescreen to keep people from knowing who they were really after and how they really had players graded.

So if you're going to be mad at the Texans FO for something, be mad at them for not wanting TB to begin with.
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See, i disagree. I think Rick & BoB trusted their board a little too much & after seeing TB slide all the way down like he did, they took for granted that he'd probably be there at 33...especially when he got to within 1 pick....After all every team had already passed on him & there was no reason to believe that that 1 team who hadn't was going to pick him......

On the one hand, you can't fault the FO for believing in their board and trying to hold onto all their picks to maximize the amount of talent they could bring in...The team needs more talent just about everywhere just as bad as it needs a qb. On the other you could say if a guy you like gets that close, you need to go ahead and snatch him.

What happened at 33 happened again to the FO with the pick of Jimmy Garapolo. I think they had eyes for him as their next viable guy after Bridgewater but the hoodie snatched him just before we got to pick. All in all though i think they valued TB and Garapolo about the same and would've been fine getting either of those guys in the 2nd or 3rd.
 
And at 33, everyone was convinced that we were going to take either Carr or Garoppolo.

I don't think the Texan's board was set up the way anyone thought it was; I don't think they valued the guys people thought they did or wanted them to.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And at 33, everyone was convinced that we were going to take either Carr or Garoppolo.

I don't think the Texan's board was set up the way anyone thought it was; I don't think they valued the guys people thought they did or wanted them to.[/QUOTE]

This is a certainty.....however the other 2 guys largely weren't projected as 1st rounders...TB was solidly projected as a 1st rounder. So it would've been interesting to see what they would've done had he slipped to them in the 2nd round..Would they have felt compelled to move him up their board and take him simply b/c he was a 1st round talent that fell out of the 1st round.... or would they have stuck to thier board anyway & did what they did.
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Mr teX said:
TB was solidly projected as a 1st rounder. So it would've been interesting to see what they would've done had he slipped to them in the 2nd round..Would they have felt compelled to move him up their board and take him simply b/c he was a 1st round talent that fell out of the 1st round.... or would they have stuck to thier board anyway & did what they did.
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And right there, you've already made what I consider a logical mistake.

The experts and pundits create their boards and project where they think guys will be picked. They're trying to figure out which guys are highly ranked by which teams. The experts and pundits have several hundred guys on their boards as possible draft picks.

The teams don't have that many guys on their boards. If some dude is ranked highly by the experts and pundits, it doesn't mean squat to the actual teams.

I don't know that Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater were even ON our board. JM could have dropped to the 3rd round and I don't know if we would have taken him.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And right there, you've already made what I consider a logical mistake.

The experts and pundits create their boards and project where they think guys will be picked. They're trying to figure out which guys are highly ranked by which teams. The experts and pundits have several hundred guys on their boards as possible draft picks.

The teams don't have that many guys on their boards. If some dude is ranked highly by the experts and pundits, it doesn't mean squat to the actual teams.

I don't know that Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater were even ON our board. JM could have dropped to the 3rd round and I don't know if we would have taken him.
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Of course there's no exact way to know unless they tell us, but the experts and pundits have some cred here otherwise they couldn't accurately project which guys are most likely to go in what round...which most credible experts and pundits can do fairly easily for the 1st 2-3 rounds..especially the 1st rounders.

Maybe JFF and TB were never on our draft board..maybe they were. Regardless, just as we can't assume that they would've taken TB had he fell to 33...you can't rule it out either without the benefit of hindsight that is. The only thing we knew up to that point is that BoB had said nothing but glowing things about all of the 1st round qb's and he potentially could've had 1 of those 1st round guys fall into his lap.
 
Bortles will be the only rookie starter week one.

TB may get a shot if Cassel struggles, but may not get to start at all this year if he doesn't.

Manziel starts after the bye week.

Carr starts after MS goes down with another vagina bruise, or gets picked incessantly.

Savage unlikely to start this year IMO.
 
Mr teX said:
Of course there's no exact way to know unless they tell us, but the experts and pundits have some cred here otherwise they couldn't accurately project which guys are most likely to go in what round...which most credible experts and pundits can do fairly easily for the 1st 2-3 rounds..especially the 1st rounders.
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I don't give them that much credit. When an expert or a pundit gets "inside information", it's usually just a smoke screen.

I took a look once at WRs and their production, comparing where the experts thought they would be drafted vs. where they actually were drafted. The thing was that the experts were pretty good at determining which WRs were going to be drafted, they were just really bad at determining which ROUND the WRs were going to be drafted.

But the main thing to consider is how many people just assumed we HAD to take a QB in the first 2 rounds. Almost all those pundits were absolutely sure we were going to take either Carr or Garoppolo at 33. If TB had been there, they would have been sure we were going to take him there, as well. But we didn't take Carr or Garoppolo.

Maybe JFF and TB were never on our draft board..maybe they were. Regardless, just as we can't assume that they would've taken TB had he fell to 33...you can't rule it out either without the benefit of hindsight that is. The only thing we knew up to that point is that BoB had said nothing but glowing things about all of the 1st round qb's and he potentially could've had 1 of those 1st round guys fall into his lap.
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Rick Smith has not had a problem going up and getting guys he wants. If they had really wanted TB, if they thought TB was a top 15 talent, they wouldn't have waited for him to drop to 33. The fact that they didn't trade up to go get him implies that they really didn't have that high of a score on him and that they had other guys they wanted more.
 
TPN is spot on with that last comment, we'll in the whole imo. The Texans have moved to get their target. The lack of a move spells no special interest pretty loudly.
 
NFL Nation: Rookie QB Watch
NFL Nation reporters assess the training-camp performances [so far] of rookie quarterbacks who were drafted in May.
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Worst review: Tajh Boyd is a right-handed Tim Tebow.
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Playoffs said:
You don't draft a QB #3 overall to not start him over the worst QB in the league -- Henne -- in 2013. I think Bradley is just trying to remove the pressure a bit.
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Thursday 8/14
8:00 PM ET -- ESPN
Jaguars @ Bears​

I expect Bortles to put another nail in Henne's coffin tonight and get Bradley off this charade about Blake as their backup.
 
Playoffs said:
Thursday 8/14
8:00 PM ET -- ESPN
Jaguars @ Bears​

I expect Bortles to put another nail in Henne's coffin tonight and get Bradley off this charade about Blake as their backup.
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I don't think Henne was the worst QB in the league in 2013 but I don't see Bortles on the bench for long either.
 
Playoffs said:
Thursday 8/14
8:00 PM ET -- ESPN
Jaguars @ Bears​

I expect Bortles to put another nail in Henne's coffin tonight and get Bradley off this charade about Blake as their backup.
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I think the whole "sitting Bortles for a year" thing is more about their OC (Jed Fisch) & QB's coach (Frank Scelfo) than it is about Bortles. Not a whole lot of experience there & Bradley probably wants to make sure he doesn't have a "Dr. Chilton fumbling at his head..." type situation.

If it were me, that's what I would do. Henne has strengths & weaknesses. He's shown the ability to at least manage an offense. Now, I want to know if Fisch & Scelfo can use him to put together a competitive offense. If so, then they'll get the keys to the new car. If not, Bortles stays on the bench & we're going to get the best "experience" we can in the offseason.

In all honesty, there's not much difference between the Jags & us. I think it will be an interesting exercise comparing what Bradley does in Jacksonville to what OB does here in Houston. After their offseason acquisitions, we're basically the same team, in the same division, going against the same schedule.
 
Henne looking good against the bears. If he keeps it up, going to be hard to pull him.

But if they do I wouldn't mind trading for him.
 
steelbtexan said:
If Carr's healthy I will pick Carr.

Schaub has been awful.

Like an old Favre without the arm.
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I didn't see he game, but Marc Sessler from NFL.com said the same thing. But watching those highlighs, it just sounds like hate to me.

Sure, Schaub didn't look dynamic, not a lot of "wow" but he was getting the job done with poor pass protection. Which is it looks bad now, it's really going to look bad when the defenses start playing for real.

It's not a popular brand of football nowadays, but I like it. Decent run game, short immediate passes, then taking shots at opportune moments. Like chess. There's strategy, planning, setting up.

As opposed to today's video game approach.

In the long run, I think the Raiders, any team really, would be better off working towards the chess method... however, winning is he most important thing & if you're no good enough to play chess...
 
Jacksonville Jaguars ‏@Jaguars
#Jaguars HC Bradley on @BBortles5: "I think he'll get some reps with the ones tomorrow." More on http://jaguars.com later.
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NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
Teddy Bridgewater completed an impressive two-minute game-winning drive last night » http://es.pn/1BpYVUT pic.twitter.com/QpBh6yOL3O
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
#Raiders coach Dennis Allen said rookie QB Derek Carr suffered a concussion last night. Before that, "I thought he was better in this game."
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thunderkyss said:
How'd Garoppolo look yesterday?
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Not bad, imo.

Doug Kyed ‏@DougKyedNESN
Patriots Preseason Observations: Ryan Mallett Outplays Jimmy Garoppolo http://go.nesn.com/1pnJNlD

Garoppolo went from playing with second- and third-stringers to first- and second-stringers, and his play only dropped a little.

Mallett went from playing against first- and second-stringers to second- and third-stringers. But he was more accurate than I've seen.
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Erik Frenz ‏@ErikFrenz
Jimmy Garoppolo's Strong Play Making Case as Patriots No. 2 QB http://ble.ac/1nYk8Lv via @BleacherReport
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I just watched that Oakland game a little while ago, and Schaub was terrible. He can't deal with any kind of pressure, and his arm looks weaker than ever. Raiders are probably going to lose a lot of games regardless though. I don't know what that defense will do...They have some potential.

But their offense looks bad. When Schaub gets a little pressure, the play is over.

The scoring drive they had was due to tons of penalties and a long screen by MJD.

I'd probably still start Schaub going into the season though because their oline isn't great and Carr still needs work. Don't want to put him into that fire. Just let Schaub take those lumps and at least he knows the NFL so maybe he can pull some rabbits out of his hat.
 
I'll put it this way: I still wish we'd traded back up to get Bridgewater, and I believe I lot of people will feel that way by season's end, because he will already be clearly better than anything we've got.

We can always get somebody next year...
 
What do you mean by the end of the season? Teddy B is already better than anything we've got. His game last night was a thing of beauty and highlighted everything about his makeup that will make him successful. Against that same D that whipped the **** out of all our QB's he was poised and delivered in the face of pressure.
 
Uncle Rico said:
What do you mean by the end of the season? Teddy B is already better than anything we've got. His game last night was a thing of beauty and highlighted everything about his makeup that will make him successful. Against that same D that whipped the **** out of all our QB's he was poised and delivered in the face of pressure.
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This is funny. As it's been stated before, Matt, Tj, & Case all looked better last year than Bridgewater looked last night. But it was the preseason & it didn't amount to much.

Totally different game, totally different level of competition, totally different situation when every snap counts.

I also hear the Jags are going to get Bortles in with the first team quite a bit in the third preseason game. I hope they do start Bortles. I hope Minnesota does start Bridgewater.
 
So far the overall top rated rookies by PFF are Bortles, Mettenberger, Garopollo.

Using NFL QB Rating (not QBR) they rank Logan Thomas, Garopollo, Bridgewater/Mettenberger.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Bortles and Bridgewater are going to be starting week 1. Bortles is already popular in Orlando and the Jags are going to pick up some fans here as soon as he is starting.

Bridge is a no brainer and whom I initially wanted the Texans to grab.
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I think I am right on Bortles, Bridgewater not so much.
 
I'm watching the lions jags game right now.

Maybe I'll get to see Texian's man-love play soon.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I think I am right on Bortles...
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Yeah, he should have started tonight's game. It's just dumb.

There's no doubt he has the mental makeup to handle it. Great kid, confident... I don't get throwing games away with Henne when they've rebuilt the team. If they lose with Bortles they're still investing in his experience/reps bank.


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Playoffs said:
Yeah, he should have started tonight's game. It's just dumb.

There's no doubt he has the mental makeup to handle it. Great kid, confident... I don't get throwing games away with Henne when they've rebuilt the team. If they lose with Bortles they're still investing in his experience/reps bank.


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Henne played most of the first half Bortles coming in for the 2 minute drill.

Nothing special from Henne.

Bortles made a few mistakes but you can see the upside to playing him over Henne, no doubt.
 
Bortles is the better QB.

Needs some seasoning, he's gonna make some mistakes, but definitely better than Chad.

The only reason I see Henne starting over Bortles is to get a little experience before you turn it over to him.

I'd start him though.
 
Playoffs said:
Yeah, he should have started tonight's game. It's just dumb.

There's no doubt he has the mental makeup to handle it. Great kid, confident... I don't get throwing games away with Henne when they've rebuilt the team. If they lose with Bortles they're still investing in his experience/reps bank.
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I don't think it's about Bortles being able to handle it, but whether or not their OC/QB coach can. Neither guy has a lot of experience & I think they're worried about ruining their new toy.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think it's about Bortles being able to handle it, but whether or not their OC/QB coach can...
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I've never heard of a team not playing a player because his coach's abilities are in question. It's the NFL -- they had their pick of the litter.
 
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