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Andre Johnson believes in Devier Posey
- Thread starter htownfan32
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Y'know, after his second 2-14 season, I'm about ready to hear Andre tear somebody a new colon.
Not Devier per se, but somebody.
Dude's just too good to be true.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
He's not the only one. 3 #1 picks in 12 years? I am a die hard Oiler fan, even the Oilers would be a juggernaut once every 10 years, not 2 good seasons out of 12 then rebuild for 4 more.
I am on the verge of telling this organization and the NFL to kiss my ass and take up competitive crochet. At lest AJ can go cry into his big bag of money.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
problem is, Devier injury history, see no reason to think different until proven otherwise. medical team has done a poor job for this organization that I'm sure richly rewards them since inception. if they draft another injury prone player with a known medical condition I'll scream 
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Lemon is still on the practice squad?
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Honestly I want to see Bonner in the slot
& Devier isn't a slot receiver. He's an outside guy, like Andre & DeAndre. Fully healthy, I can see a 3 WR formation with those guys putting real pressure on a defense, & I'm looking forward to seeing those three guys on the field at the same time... but when our new coach says we're looking for a slot receiver because we don't have one, I think he's looking for something different than the guys we do have.problem is, Devier injury history, see no reason to think different until proven otherwise. medical team has done a poor job for this organization that I'm sure richly rewards them since inception. if they draft another injury prone player with a known medical condition I'll scream
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Keshawn Martin is still with the team the last time I checked.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Ok, but does he have an "aura" about him?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Then do it. Every fan wants their team to go to the Super Bowl. Every year. No matter that it is completely illogical. That is what makes us fans.
I moved to Houston in 2003 after the expansion season. I saw a team start from scratch and get to 7-9 in their third year, before their head coach and quarterback were exposed for going as far as they were going to go.
I saw the next head coach and quarterback take a 2-14 back on the track to being a .500 team then improve on to a division winner with playoff wins over a seven year span. Then I saw that head coach and quarterback have their limitations exposed as well and took the team as far as they could.
At any point did the Texans come close to the Super Bowl? No. Have I seen progressions and improvements within each regime and with the regime changes? Obviously yes.
And quite frankly, if you don't say yes, you're just being blinded by your hatred of <insert Kubiak/Smith/McNair> or because of you're unrealistic expectation that it is the norm for an expansion team to reach the Super Bowl within 10 years of existence.
Kubiak didn't take over a consistent 2-14 team. He took over an emerging team that had it's limitations at HC/QB exposed in one cruel season and took it back on the upward trajectory.
OB is not taking over a consistent 2-14 team either. He took over a good team that had it's limitations at HC/QB exposed in one cruel season.
But that doesn't fit the narrative of the cursed Houston sports fan suffering with a "2-14" team...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
AJ has had a knack for coming out in support of players that go on to fade deeply into dark holes. Posey is not a slot reciever. Even in college, he was known to hear hoof beats coming across the middle, losing all physicality in that position. He also did not handle being bumped at the line very well. Coming off of his Achilles, he may never regain his sudden burst or ability to make sudden changes in direction. With his 4.50 40, I don't know that his long game in the softer college game will ever translate into the NFL.
right, they're adding the Oiler's failure to win an AFC Championship game to the Texans.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Yeah, and I'm saying he won't be. Lemon will be elevated. There's a reason he was fake IR. Get Lemon in practice with a new regime and Martin is as good as gone. If OB is true to his word it won't matter where a player was drafted.
I'm not even sure Posey is safe. He's great after the catch but gets very little separation.
Then again, in all fairness, I've thought for a long time that Larry Kirksey wasn't getting the job done as WR coach...so we might see a difference in performance across the board with a change (I hope).
3rd WR does not always mean slot WR...i.e. a little quick guy or TE spread out. In fact, if anything more teams probably don't have a 3rd WR like Wes welker than do. Plenty of ways that a Posey, AJ, Hopkins trio could operate without one of them being what is now thought of a 'true" slot player.
O'Brien is the one who said he doesn't think the team has a true slot reciever at this point.
Slot guys come in many forms, but all that matters is what form OB wants.
I was a huge Oilers fan, as well. But, if we are honest with ourselves, the Oilers really accomplished jack squat in four decades. Their peak was Luv Ya Blue years when they went to back-to-back AFC Championship games. They certainly accomplished nothing notable in 7 straight playoff years with the run-and-shoot team. Heck, if anything, they left us with deep emotional scars from choking away leads in playoff games with one of the most talented rosters in the NFL at the time.
In all honesty, you've got to let the Oilers history go if you are going to truly embrace the Texans as a fan. I had to do it, others the same, or you end up bringing bitterness to a team that does not deserve it and certainly did not earn it.
We have a good owner with Bob McNair. He has built a first class franchise with regards to how they operate and the facilities, not to mention fan service and how much respect they seem to have for the Texans fan base.
Winning is a process. If it was easy, everyone would do it, right? I'm a cynical person, so I get what you're saying, but you have to give the new regime a chance before giving up completely. I know you were probably joking, but just figured I'd comment as I know where you're coming from and would hate to see you miss out on something special in the next few years.
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revan
Waterboy
You are right, Posey was never a true slot WR. Depending on the type of offense BOB runs I don't see him or Martin having a future past next year here. I like Posey though, he can have a Lance Moore type of impact but, again, I have no idea what BOB's offense will look like in the NFL.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Well.
Imagine the New England offense without Tom Brady and I think we have a starting spot.
just got around to reading the town hall stuff..so gotcha
CuseFan
Practice Squad
Lemon was on IR last year -- think he makes a push for the slot position this summer. That's his natural spot.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Lemon at Syracuse was used both as a slot and wide receiver. He really doesn't have speed. But due to his superior route running, he was virtually unstoppable as a slot. I see him as big slot/possession version of Wes Welker.
Even though at first the Texans put him on IR for an "unnamed injury," the "unnamed injury" ends up being a right hamstring tear. He's had plenty of time to recover/rehab and hopefully it does not become a recurrent problem.
The late draft pick a bonner also seems like stereotypical slot.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes. I hope he doesn't go overlooked in this process. OB's comments may have been limited to those with game tape, i.e. Keyshawn ain't it.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Don't forget his hands. Unlike Martin that kid, Lemon, doesn't drop many. Doesn't have alligator arms and he can take a hit with his size. Average 40 time a 4.56, although his best unofficial 40 time was 4.49 (for what it's worth). I've always liked him and he tore it up last preseason.
Still, you're right, he's not a burner, and I suspect the Texans are going to draft one come May.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That's why I included "possession" in his description.
I didn't get that from what Andre said at all. I thought he said teh Achilles was still a concern for Posey last season, but that's behind him now, he won't be slowed down by thinking about his Achilles in 2014.
Typical?? I don't know about that, but yeah... I think he fits the definition we're all thinking about.
I do tend to forget about him.
Lots and lots of Bonner plays: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeT7i7A5G_E
Looks like much more of a football player than Keyshawn Martin, whom I don't think should make the team...And at best is a bottom depth chart wr.
Kinda my thinking. AJ has always done well out of the slot, tho you don't want to leave him there all the time. With a running game like Foster will hopefully deliver would be a nightmare for defenses with those 3 at WR. Add in a quality TE or two, BOOM!
Of course that is predicated on having a QB that can get them the ball
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
That's what I've been saying. I doubt they'll go in that direction but... man... I think that would be awesome.
Who's throwing them the ball?
What?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Tajh Boyd... who was Sammy and Deandre's QB at Clemson?
At first, Fitzpatrick. Next year, who knows. But that trio could make a decent QB look pretty good.
Typical?? I don't know about that, but yeah... I think he fits the definition we're all thinking about.
I think you just said what I already said...no harm form me btw.
I think you just said what I already said...no harm form me btw.
Norg
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Tajh Boyd... who was Sammy and Deandre's QB at Clemson?
At first, Fitzpatrick. Next year, who knows. But that trio could make a decent QB look pretty good.
We can become Clemson SOUTH :P
fify.
yep. you've been waiving the Watkins banner since we started talking draft talk. It wouldn't hurt my heart to snag him either.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
If you saw my "no QB in the first" mock in the mock section (you might have) you'd probably enjoy it. I picked Watkins for the hell of it and to be honest, the idea is rubbing off on me more and more recently.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
When I first suggested Watkins, it was just as a "wouldn't it be crazy" kinda idea. And I even posted it as a Hopkins-Watkins-Boyd reunion.
The more I think about taking Watkins, the more I like it.
I just don't think there's any way they actually do it. It's a move that smacks of the Millen-era Lions.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not to me. They only kept doing it because they kept failing at getting even one credible WR.
To me there are only 2 can't miss players at the top of the 1st round, Watkins and Robinson, and while Watkins wouldn't fix any of our big holes he sure would create one of the best WR corp. in the NFL, maybe the best. As long as we could fix the O-line issues, RT and LG, we could have a very potent offense even with Fitzpatrick at QB. He's definitely worth giving heavy consideration at 1.1
aussie_texan
Veteran
when was the last time a WR was taken first overall??
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Keyshawn Johnson in 1996.
But, would you rather have:
1999: Tim Couch (1-1) or Torry Holt (1-6)
2003: Carson Palmer (1-1) or Andre Johnson (1-3)
2004: Eli Manning (1-1) or Larry Fitzgerald (1-3)
2007: Jamarcus Russell (1-1) or Calvin Johnson (1-2)
Now, granted, I'm cherry-picking there. QB is almost always the position drafted at 1-1 nowadays. But if the QB isn't that good, then maybe you should be more open to other positions.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
1996 - Keyshawn Johnson
Mario was the last DE taken. Prior to that were two guys who never made a pro bowl and then back to 1985 for Bruce Smith.