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Richard Sherman's Big Mouth

Just heard Richard Sherman's press conference. You can tell this whole thing has humbled him some. Honestly, I feel like what he said is overblown, but I didn't care for a lot of things he said and did in the past.

Today, he was funny, engaging, honest, open, and you can tell he's learned a lot over the past few days. I can get behind and support the guy I saw today. Nothing he did or said today was calculated or self serving. Great Job Richard! Hope this continues!
 
I'm very surprised and saddened after reading a lot of Tweets directed at him since that game. These internet tough guys calling him every racial name in the book.

I stand by my thoughts in this thread, but never once did I have enough hate to degrade him as a person or attack his skin color. Overall, he's a good dude.
 
Texn4life said:
Just heard Richard Sherman's press conference. You can tell this whole thing has humbled him some. Honestly, I feel like what he said is overblown, but I didn't care for a lot of things he said and did in the past.

Today, he was funny, engaging, honest, open, and you can tell he's learned a lot over the past few days. I can get behind and support the guy I saw today. Nothing he did or said today was calculated or self serving. Great Job Richard! Hope this continues!
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I saw that as well. He seems like a genuinely good guy that puts his everything into football and naturally can get emotional.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I saw that as well. He seems like a genuinely good guy that puts his everything into football and naturally can get emotional.
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He hasn't always been that way though at times. Today I saw a different guy. A guy that's very likeable and seemed like he gets it now. I like his swagger on the field. I just didn't care for some of the other stuff he did, and he acknowledged his past mistakes in his press conference. I want to see more of this guy and not the guy trying so hard to self promote. He doesn't need to do that stuff anymore. He's good enough to where his play is enough promotion.
 
StarStruck said:
Of course, of course. But back then, Muhammad Ali talked enough trash for the entire wide world of sports.
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Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
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Yep.

And we all know talking trash pays $$$. Anything to raise your profile, good or "bad guy", increases your income. The "look at me" mentality has worked for decades, even for a few who otherwise would not have succeeded.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
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Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

/truthful rant
 
Many others have said it but I want to augment it from my profession's point of view.

One of my biggest jobs is to garner post-game reaction from pressers, scrums and podium. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a Richard Sherman, versus the cliche machines we have to listen to every other time.

Hockey? Get pucks in deep, one play, one period, one shift at a time...help the team win, anything for the team, respect for opponent etc

Baseball? Might as well yank out this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8

Give me the raw honesty and passion of Richard Sherman ANYDAY. We need more of him, especially in my business.
 
Dutchrudder said:
And who better to play the hero than Peyton Manning? I really hope this Super Bowl comes down to the last play, because it could be epic.

Also, I gotta ask what the hell does "Your man... Pots and pans" mean?
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Lol, I really don't know what it means. My old man says it to me all the time , my uncles and a few older cats I've met through the years,like a greeting but he says " my man pots and pans". So to counter it essentially I'm just saying " yeah yeah I'm your man pots and pans blah blah". Mostly used my males age 35-60
 
Crabtree is mediocre IMHO. Great hands though. When teams play sF the defense doesn't say " aww man, we gotta stop Crabtree". A guy like Sherman, offenses FEAR him
 
DexmanC said:
Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

/truthful rant
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Dex, man (ha!)....that last paragraph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
Texn4life said:
He hasn't always been that way though at times. Today I saw a different guy. A guy that's very likeable and seemed like he gets it now. I like his swagger on the field. I just didn't care for some of the other stuff he did, and he acknowledged his past mistakes in his press conference. I want to see more of this guy and not the guy trying so hard to self promote. He doesn't need to do that stuff anymore. He's good enough to where his play is enough promotion.
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Dr. Jekyll - Mr. Hyde scenario?
 
toronto said:
Many others have said it but I want to augment it from my profession's point of view.

One of my biggest jobs is to garner post-game reaction from pressers, scrums and podium. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a Richard Sherman, versus the cliche machines we have to listen to every other time.

Hockey? Get pucks in deep, one play, one period, one shift at a time...help the team win, anything for the team, respect for opponent etc

Baseball? Might as well yank out this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8

Give me the raw honesty and passion of Richard Sherman ANYDAY. We need more of him, especially in my business.
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Some people think Pro Wrestling is real too. That's entertainment!
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Lol, I really don't know what it means. My old man says it to me all the time , my uncles and a few older cats I've met through the years,like a greeting but he says " my man pots and pans". So to counter it essentially I'm just saying " yeah yeah I'm your man pots and pans blah blah". Mostly used my males age 35-60
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I'd guess that's a local phrase around the Philadelphia area. It's certainly different. It would be interesting to learn the roots of the phrase.
 
infantrycak said:
a draft dodging convert to an unpopular religion. He also was ... ...who was adored as a boxer.

fify
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I remember him as an arrogant, loud mouthed, unappreciative self promoter who abandoned his mother, his country and his wife while adoring only himself. He was the modern Narcissus. I was thus, a big fan of Frazier or anybody else that could bring this phony down. The adoration makes me sick.
 
I don't follow Seattle and was for the most part familiar with the names of a small number of their players. I kept thinking, why is the name Sherman sounding so familiar and trying to make the connection. Then at last, it hit me, it was the pick six that Schaub threw that he ran for a 50+ yard TD. When that happened, the fan/friend sitting next to me made the comment about Schaub throwing the interception to the best CB in the league.
 
On the field should be on the field. Go all out, get emotional, pull, tear, fight, I don't care.

But when the final bell rings, I was always taught that after the game, you showed good sportsmanship and class. And a lack of sportsmanship is ugly.

Sherman failed miserably at that, and is being rightly chastised.

If you don't want to be called a thug, don't act like one.

I hope Manning tears him apart. That young man needs a strong dose of humble pie. I'm now rooting strongly for Denver.
 
DexmanC said:
Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.
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I know it's hard to tell us white folks apart, but many white people actually *gasp* LIKE Richard Sherman, even after this media blowup.

As evidenced in this thread, there are some white folks that see an individual and not a dude that happens to have more skin pigmentation that us.

Porky said:
But when the final bell rings, I was always taught that after the game, you showed good sportsmanship and class. And a lack of sportsmanship is ugly.

Sherman failed miserably at that, and is being rightly chastised.
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So trying to shake hands with your opponent while saying "helluva game, helluva game" is failing miserably at good sportsmanship?

I guess I need to tell that to all the little leaguers that have to shake hands after games.

Somehow I get the feeling that if this was Richard Sherman the Houston Texan you would not have much problem with it.

I'm a bigger fan of Richard Sherman now after seeing some of the people that chastise him. Sometimes the compass just needs to be pointed away from those that I would rather not be aligned with.
 
Double Barrel said:
So trying to shake hands with your opponent while saying "helluva game, helluva game" is failing miserably at good sportsmanship?
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I agree with your overall take.

Having said that, we well know that a transcript of the words won't reflect whether it was mocking/sarcastic.

My thought as it (Sherman trotting after and talking) was happening was "crap, he's gonna draw a flag."

I'll still be rooting for the Seahawks against the Broncos and if the cap allowed would love to have Sherman on the Texans.
 
Porky said:
On the field should be on the field. Go all out, get emotional, pull, tear, fight, I don't care.

But when the final bell rings, I was always taught that after the game, you showed good sportsmanship and class. And a lack of sportsmanship is ugly.

Sherman failed miserably at that, and is being rightly chastised.

If you don't want to be called a thug, don't act like one.

I hope Manning tears him apart. That young man needs a strong dose of humble pie. I'm now rooting strongly for Denver.
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Kind of a good thing he doesn't act like one then, isn't it? That incident was no where near acting like a thug. Nor will it be so when his charity organization will present someone with a new wheelchair this weekend. He gives quite a bit of time to the community and has being doing so since voluneteering for Special Olympics back in high school. The 'thug' label is misplaced to say the least.

He apologized for it and said it was immature. What else you expect him to do? All a man can do is admit his wrong, apologize and move on. Time for others to do so too.

Double Barrel said:
So trying to shake hands with your opponent while saying "helluva game, helluva game" is failing miserably at good sportsmanship?

I guess I need to tell that to all the little leaguers that have to shake hands after games.

Somehow I get the feeling that if this was Richard Sherman the Houston Texan you would not have much problem with it.

I'm a bigger fan of Richard Sherman now after seeing some of the people that chastise him. Sometimes the compass just needs to be pointed away from those that I would rather not be aligned with.
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I have to agree. It's making me pull more for the Hawks now. I'd take Sherman on the Texans in a heartbeat. We could use some of that passion and intensity. Not to mention skillset.
 
infantrycak said:
I agree with your overall take.

Having said that, we well know that a transcript of the words won't reflect whether it was mocking/sarcastic.

My thought as it (Sherman trotting after and talking) was happening was "crap, he's gonna draw a flag."

I'll still be rooting for the Seahawks against the Broncos and if the cap allowed would love to have Sherman on the Texans.
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I didn't know exactly what Sherman said until I saw the film on NFLN. Both players were miked up for the game. The Seahawks authorized release of the film/audio, but the 49ers blocked it for Crabtree.

NFLN also pointed out that Crabtree did not shake hands with anyone after the game. He made a beeline straight for the locker rooms with no attempts to mingle on the field.

If I had to guess, I'd say there was a little bit of antagonism in Sherman even approaching Crabtree after the game, but that is purely speculation on my part. However, he truly was not calling him out or anything, and his tone of voice honestly seemed like it was one of saying "good game".

Many people are trying to paint his outburst after the game as a WWE moment, but I don't buy it. WWE is very scripted and acted out. Sherman's outburst was spontaneous and emotional. It was raw in it's joy, anger, excitement, and fueled by adrenaline. He has said as much in his apologies.

deucetx said:
Kind of a good thing he doesn't act like one then, isn't it? That incident was no where near acting like a thug. Nor will it be so when his charity organization will present someone with a new wheelchair this weekend. He gives quite a bit of time to the community and has being doing so since voluneteering for Special Olympics back in high school. The 'thug' label is misplaced to say the least.

He apologized for it and said it was immature. What else you expect him to do? All a man can do is admit his wrong, apologize and move on. Time for others to do so too.



I have to agree. It's making me pull more for the Hawks now. I'd take Sherman on the Texans in a heartbeat. We could use some of that passion and intensity. Not to mention skillset.
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Great post, man. I think the "thug" tag is being overplayed by those that would probably use another word if they could get away with it.

Sherman has never been in trouble with the law. He's never had any off-the-field problems, afaik. His message to youth is always about education and self responsibility. He is a positive force in the world, regardless of what those that don't like him want to say. Actions over words, and Sherman's life exemplifies a guy that puts his time, money, and effort where his mouth is.

How the hell is an upstanding citizen with a strong opinion a so-called "thug"? DexmanC's message is right on the money in that regard. It's a code word that some hide behind for whatever reason(s).

People can say his mouth takes away from his volunteer work, but I disagree. I knew nothing of his charity work before this week, so his high profile is bringing people to his community work.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
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Lol, Ali could be truculent. And if that was a good thing he was it. :D

(for the young'uns, google "Ali truculent" and surely something will come up) :)
 
Anyone that has a problem with Sherman is just a hater. Not everyone is like you. People are different and they act different. Hes done more good for this world in his 24 yrs of life then any of you haters ever will. Smh.
 
DexmanC said:
Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

/truthful rant
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You never cease to amaze with your shameful rhetoric.

You make a post like this with Mike Tyson and Mike Vick as your examples? Might as well add Michael Jackson to that list and then you could have a triple crown of rapists. Oh, but Jim Brown is there, so that should be good enough to qualify since he has beaten more women probably than any other athlete.

And this is who you use as examples? Dex you are a total detriment to your message.

And Anderson Silva? He isn't black you dolt. He is Brazilian and has nothing to do with American blacks. lol!
 
guichows6 said:
Anyone that has a problem with Sherman is just a hater. Not everyone is like you. People are different and they act different. Hes done more good for this world in his 24 yrs of life then any of you haters ever will. Smh.
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What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.
 
Texecutioner said:
What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.
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With all due respect Tex I think he really may be a kid. Cut him a break.
 
Texecutioner said:
What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.
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Well ok then old fellers. ..I guess I'm just a lost child. Ill be that. It still doesn't change the fact that you are a hater. Why does sherman have to be like you and be respectful when a sorry wide receiver like Crabtree has been talking crap all game? All the great ones have been caught being "unclassy" at some point in their careers. They didnt grow up learning about life with a silver spoon in their mouths. (Most of the great ones at least). And even if they did, when you are passionate about something, passion will come out of your mouth when your adrenaline is in full effect mode. Im not trying to make this a race thing, but if tom brady or Peyton manning had said that I doubt they would be labeled a "thug". If the black man comes out yelling like sherman did, immediately he's a thug. Erin Andrews got scared and probably thought sherman was about to knife her down by the way she reacted. If it were a white guy I doubt her reaction would of been the same. Im just saying. There is a double standard and if you disagree thats fine, but imo blind.
 
thetexanator said:
i dont recall ever being so irked at someone. everything this guy says, writes, does on the field just hits me the wrong way. oh i just remembered somebody as i am writing this. T.O, when he did crappola on the star. but even to and chad johnson didnt piss me off as much as this dude.
ive never wished an injury on any football player, but i hope this dude tears an acl in the sb.:pissed:
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You sir, need to take a chill pill. Its football. Why get upset at it? Sports are just entertainment. If people dont like how sherman acted guess what? Its ok. Your life is not in danger..oh your kids are are now being badly influenced? Your the parent, teach them the right way of life then according to you..

P.s. my reply isn't all directed toward you. Just talking in general
 
guichows6 said:
Well ok then old fellers. ..I guess I'm just a lost child. Ill be that. It still doesn't change the fact that you are a hater.
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How so? If you read my post I stated that I found Sherman to be an exciting player and I didn't have a problem with him or his antics. Sorry, that you were to busy wanting to use the "hater" label and somehow missed that. You see when that is your only argument to call someone a hater, well it does make you seem childish as I said before. Calling someone a hater is simply lazy and it also makes you seem like one as well because you are "hating" on anyone else's opinion that is different than yours.


guichows6 said:
Why does sherman have to be like you and be respectful when a sorry wide receiver like Crabtree has been talking crap all game?
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I agree with you. He doesn't have to. I think Crabtree is an ass myself, but that doesn't mean that Sherman has to be one himself? That also doesn't mean that he can't rub it in his nose in a competitive game either. I don't see anything different or overboard from what Sherman did than what I've seen in tons of other games. But I also realize that some people can't stand that kind of sportsmanship no matter who it comes from and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why that might irritate some people.


guichows6 said:
All the great ones have been caught being "unclassy" at some point in their careers. They didnt grow up learning about life with a silver spoon in their mouths. (Most of the great ones at least). And even if they did, when you are passionate about something, passion will come out of your mouth when your adrenaline is in full effect mode. Im not trying to make this a race thing, but if tom brady or Peyton manning had said that I doubt they would be labeled a "thug".
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Well sorry, but you just did and you sound even younger than I thought. And to bring up Tom Brady here is about as inaccurate as you could be. Brady has caught a ton of flack over the years for some of the silliest stuff as well. Tom Brady was highly criticized when he had two women pregnant. People bash Tom Brady all of the time and he was listed as one of the most hated players in the league by fans that is all mainly because he wins games every year, so this is really bad example for you to try and use the race card.



guichows6 said:
If the black man comes out yelling like sherman did, immediately he's a thug. Erin Andrews got scared and probably thought sherman was about to knife her down by the way she reacted. If it were a white guy I doubt her reaction would of been the same. Im just saying. There is a double standard and if you disagree thats fine, but imo blind.
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:vincepalm: Seriously just put the shovel away and stop digging. The straw man in your argument is about as sturdy as a scarecrow.
 
That interview he did with Skip Bayless...

"In my 24 years of life. I'm better at life than you."

Bayless - "Are you better than Revis?"

Sherman - "I'm better than YOU."

Hilarious.
 
StarStruck said:
When did this perception of old school cordial behavior come about?
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I've wondered the same thing, StarStruck. There seems to be a general misconception that players used to roast marshmallows and sing "Kumbaya" at halftime with each other.

I guess Broadway Joe Namath was "thug" before it was cool with all the trash talking he did before Super Bowl III. Heck, he even guaranteed a victory the week before the game.

Here's an article from a couple of years ago celebrating the best trash talkers in sports: Smack Talk: The 20 Best Trash Talkers in Sports History

Then there's USA Today's All-time NFL trash-talk team.

Some people seem to have very short memories.


DexmanC said:
That interview he did with Skip Bayless...

"In my 24 years of life. I'm better at life than you."

Bayless - "Are you better than Revis?"

Sherman - "I'm better than YOU."

Hilarious.
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That's when Sherman really showed up on my radar. Bayless is a peckerwood, and Sherman putting him in his place was classic and immediately made me like the guy.
 
Double Barrel said:
I've wondered the same thing, StarStruck. There seems to be a general misconception that players used to roast marshmallows and sing "Kumbaya" at halftime with each other.

I guess Broadway Joe Namath was "thug" before it was cool with all the trash talking he did before Super Bowl III. Heck, he even guaranteed a victory the week before the game.

That's when Sherman really showed up on my radar. Bayless is a peckerwood, and Sherman putting him in his place was classic and immediately made me like the guy.
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Well, not really. I don't you got where "talking trash" from. IIRC, he was at a banquet of some kind and was asked by a Colts fan who basically prefaced the question "do you think you can win" with saying the Jets didn't have a chance. Any athlete worth his salt would have said "yes" in response to the question. The part where he guaranteed it was almost certainly in response to how the question was presented. I'd have said it too if I were Namath under the circumstances.

I am like you in my thoughts about Bayless. He represents the worst of what reporters are and have been over the years. Nothing good comes to mind when I see him or his name, but "peckerwood"??? :lol:
 
Showtime100 said:
Well, not really. I don't you got where "talking trash" from. IIRC, he was at a banquet of some kind and was asked by a Colts fan who basically prefaced the question "do you think you can win" with saying the Jets didn't have a chance. Any athlete worth his salt would have said "yes" in response to the question. The part where he guaranteed it was almost certainly in response to how the question was presented. I'd have said it too if I were Namath under the circumstances.

I am like you in my thoughts about Bayless. He represents the worst of what reporters are and have been over the years. Nothing good comes to mind when I see him or his name, but "peckerwood"??? :lol:
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By today's standards it is not considered trash talking in hindsight.

However, at the time, it was controversial and certainly considered unsportsmanlike by many of the old guard NFL.

This was when the AFL was still considered a sub-par league and many did not think they deserved to play on the same field as the NFL.

Joe Namath's mouth wrote a check that he cashed on the field.

According to USA Today, Namath is on the All-time NFL trash-talk team.

Here's some more information to understand perceptions and attitudes of the day:

Broadway Joe delivers

Namath’s brash confidence was never more on display than in a public appearance in the days leading up to Super Bowl III, when he assured a heckler that the Jets (19-point underdogs) would beat the Colts (reputedly the best team in NFL history), even going so far as to say "I guarantee it." Namath’s trash-talking drew criticism from many in the NFL, who doubted his ability and insisted the AFL could not really compete with the older, more established NFL.
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Not a banquet, but a bar and a heckler.


The famous prediction was in fact Namath’s frustrated response to simple trash-talk in a bar in the lead up to the game. He was sick of the disrespect he and his team were getting, may well have had some booze in his system and probably thought the statement would be forgotten. If the Jets had been thrashed as they should have been few would even have remembered the guarantee.

Source
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And "peckerwood" for Bayless because I like to whip out those old tags that used to get thrown around when I was a kid. :D

Even funnier (to me, at least) is typing "skip bayless peckerwood" into Google and finding this:

RT @ErnestAnthony: I think it's impressive the way you guys always find a way to win. Skip Bayless is a peckerwood and needs to be slapped
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Apparently I'm not the only one that put the two together! :howdy:
 
Double Barrel said:
By today's standards it is not considered trash talking in hindsight.

However, at the time, it was controversial and certainly considered unsportsmanlike by many of the old guard NFL.

This was when the AFL was still considered a sub-par league and many did not think they deserved to play on the same field as the NFL.

Joe Namath's mouth wrote a check that he cashed on the field.

According to USA Today, Namath is on the All-time NFL trash-talk team.

Here's some more information to understand perceptions and attitudes of the day:



Not a banquet, but a bar and a heckler.




And "peckerwood" for Bayless because I like to whip out those old tags that used to get thrown around when I was a kid. :D

Even funnier (to me, at least) is typing "skip bayless peckerwood" into Google and finding this:



Apparently I'm not the only one that put the two together! :howdy:
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Agreed, brash by the day's standards. I was just pointing out it was an example of the press blowing it out of proportion, even for that time. (say it ain't so, right?..lol)

Namath actually said in an interview I saw years ago (no link, sorry) that it was the Miami Touchdown Club Banquet (or something like that) but he was probably drunk and didn't know where he was. :D :D

As far as "peckerwood" goes, that word has always cracked me up. I don't know why. :gamer:
 
Love me some Sherminator! I wish the Texans has 5 just like him on defense, they could use some REAL swag on this pathetic excuse of a team...


Unlike our current DB's that talk smack while getting their asses handed to them on their way to a 14 game losing streak...See DJ Swearinger...
 
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guichows6 said:
Anyone that has a problem with Sherman is just a hater. Not everyone is like you. People are different and they act different. Hes done more good for this world in his 24 yrs of life then any of you haters ever will. Smh.
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Texecutioner said:
What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.
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hater :whip:
 
StarStruck said:
When did this perception of old school cordial behavior come about?
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For my part I don't think of it as an aspect of being "old school". There aren't any more guys out there today running their mouths and acting out than there were back in the day. Maybe more attention is paid to them by the fans because we get more coverage than ever before but there are still plenty of guys who go out and play quietly and professionally just like there have always been.

I just tend to prefer and have more respect for athletes that conduct themselves in a more dignified manner. Sherman is a guy who impresses me with his abilities but I turn the channel when someone jams a microphone in his face. I did that with TO, Chad Johnson, and pretty much every other "look at me" guy who has come down the road. I'm just not interested in what they have to say.
 
Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin (among others) were talkers two decades ago. This is nothing new under the sun.

At least with a guy like Sherman, he's extremely intelligent and has the ability to step back and admit when he feels like he's crossed a line.
 
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