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"Matt Schaub gives Texans best chance to win in 2014" -Marshall Faulk

Playoffs

Hall of Fame
So for you if O'Brien says Schaub is the guy that gives the Texans the best chance to win 2014, you are ok with that?
Yep.

OB knows more about these things than I do. [IMGwidthsize=45]http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emoticons/f/football-3861.gif[/IMG]
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
It's like I've been saying, historically with rookie QBs, you lose while they develop.

The odds of us having a winning season with a rookie QB are slim.

So.

If we want to win now, it means that either:
1) OB is able to "fix" whatever's wrong with Schaub
2) OB is able to develop either Keenum or Yates
3) OB is able to get the rookie QB going extremely quick... which we've seen done a few times recently

In terms of probability, fixing Schaub is probably the best strategy for early wins.

I just don't see that happening.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
ehh.... we just need to part ways with Schaub..even if it's only to free up the cap space. I'd be fine with letting Yates or Keenum get the early starts while we continue to rebuild...we can't be that much worse than we were this past year so it goes without saying we'll still be seeing some measure of improvement with either of the 2 at the helm.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
Staff member
Contributor's Club
ehh.... we just need to part ways with Schaub..even if it's only to free up the cap space.
If the question is winning, I don't know how OB can answer the question until camp. But from a business stand point I don't see how Schaub can enter camp with a $14M cap number, especially with the season he had last year.

Of course, if we're talking about designating him a June 1st cut, we're not in any hurry to cut him until before the season starts.

But looking at the FA QBs out there; Freeman, Vick, McCown, McCoy..... Schaub's the most successful of the bunch.
 

deucetx

Rookie
If the question is winning, I don't know how OB can answer the question until camp. But from a business stand point I don't see how Schaub can enter camp with a $14M cap number, especially with the season he had last year.

Of course, if we're talking about designating him a June 1st cut, we're not in any hurry to cut him until before the season starts.

But looking at the FA QBs out there; Freeman, Vick, McCown, McCoy..... Schaub's the most successful of the bunch.
Basically how I view it. Just too significant of a salary hit to justify a placeholder at the position. Looking at the past salaries of the free agents on the market he would have to take a significant cut to stay with the team when it comes down to the business side of things. I don't think Schaub is as bad as last season and would be an ok guy to have while developing a rookie but not at the cost he presently stands.
 

IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
I dunno, maybe Faulk knows what he's talking about, after all sometimes guys lose their stuff then mysteriously rediscover it. Ever hear of Brad Lidge ?
 

Nitrofish

Let The Big Fish Eat!
Basically how I view it. Just too significant of a salary hit to justify a placeholder at the position. Looking at the past salaries of the free agents on the market he would have to take a significant cut to stay with the team when it comes down to the business side of things. I don't think Schaub is as bad as last season and would be an ok guy to have while developing a rookie but not at the cost he presently stands.
I think taking a pay cut goes without saying. I think Schaub is realistic enough to accept that if given a chance to stay on for one more year. After the way he was pushed aside, he may not want to stay anyway.

Despite what some think on this board, Schaub is far and away the best QB on the Texans as of now.
 

b0ng

Bad Hombre
Eh, I don't know about best chance to win, but I'm not entirely sold on the idea that the team absolutely must part ways with Schaub and that there are no other options or recourse for him. I do believe that the Texans should not be the highest bidder for Schaub on an open market, but if there are ways to re-work his contract to decrease his cap hit and he's willing to do that then I don't understand why he would have to leave the team if that were the case.

I honestly don't think we should really have it in mind that the Texans are going to compete next year, no matter how many pieces come out in the offseason trying to link the Chiefs resurgence in 2013 with a possible Texans resurgence in 2014. Stuff that talks about what gives the Texans the best chance to win games are already trying to paint a similar picture and I do believe that righting the ship defensively (or a hot rookie QB) could give us just as good of a chance to win games in 2014.
 

Nitrofish

Let The Big Fish Eat!
I dunno, maybe Faulk knows what he's talking about, after all sometimes guys lose their stuff then mysteriously rediscover it. Ever hear of Brad Lidge ?
The thought that any of us armchair GM's think we know better than someone like Marshall Faulk is laughable anyway. Schaub had a bad year. It happens.
 

_King_

Guest
I don't think Schaub will be back and I dont want him back either. I have 0 faith in him and I don't see the benefit of having him on the roster. There is no upside. Schaub should be flaccos back up in Maryland.
 

JCTexan

Hall of Fame
The thought that any of us armchair GM's think we know better than someone like Marshall Faulk is laughable anyway. Schaub had a bad year. It happens.
Think about it: Faulk wasn't a Schaub fan last year after the Texans went to the playoffs. He didn't think Schaub could take Houston to the next level, so I imagine Faulk's "win now" speech probably has the Texans out in the Wild Card round at most.
 

kingtexan

All Pro
I don't think Schaub will be back and I dont want him back either. I have 0 faith in him and I don't see the benefit of having him on the roster. There is no upside. Schaub should be flaccos back up in Maryland.
Doubtful even Gary would give Matt another chance.

He will end up in Cleveland, or Jacksonville, or maybe Oakland.

Some desperate team will give him one more chance and he will be benched by mid-season and that will be the end. Hopeful;ly he managed the money he stole form the Texans and doesn't have to work again ...
 

Nitrofish

Let The Big Fish Eat!
I don't think Schaub will be back and I dont want him back either. I have 0 faith in him and I don't see the benefit of having him on the roster. There is no upside. Schaub should be flaccos back up in Maryland.
Then you are blinded by your emotions

Think about it: Faulk wasn't a Schaub fan last year after the Texans went to the playoffs. He didn't think Schaub could take Houston to the next level, so I imagine Faulk's "win now" speech probably has the Texans out in the Wild Card round at most.
Man that would be a far cry better than 2-14. You really think O'Brien is going to do better than that with a rookie QB?

Doubtful even Gary would give Matt another chance.

He will end up in Cleveland, or Jacksonville, or maybe Oakland.

Some desperate team will give him one more chance and he will be benched by mid-season and that will be the end. Hopeful;ly he managed the money he stole form the Texans and doesn't have to work again ...
Just more Schaub hate. He never stole any money and you forget all too quickly what Schaub did for the Texans while he was here, but you keep on hatin' just for the sake of hatin'. Weren't you one of the posters who said Kubiak was finished in the NFL too?
 

kingtexan

All Pro
Then you are blinded by your emotions



Man that would be a far cry better than 2-14. You really think O'Brien is going to do better than that with a rookie QB?



Just more Schaub hate. He never stole any money and you forget all too quickly what Schaub did for the Texans while he was here, but you keep on hatin' just for the sake of hatin'. Weren't you one of the posters who said Kubiak was finished in the NFL too?
Make sure Matt gives you a napkin to clean up when you are done ...
 

texan_joe

Practice Squad
Then you are blinded by your emotions



Man that would be a far cry better than 2-14. You really think O'Brien is going to do better than that with a rookie QB?



Just more Schaub hate. He never stole any money and you forget all too quickly what Schaub did for the Texans while he was here, but you keep on hatin' just for the sake of hatin'. Weren't you one of the posters who said Kubiak was finished in the NFL too?
I'm with you on this. Schaub was never as bad as people around here try and make him out to be. He had a bad year. He is still the best QB on the roster. I know that's not saying much but he is far better than either Keenum or Yates. But that being said, he needs a fresh start. Let Schaub walk and draft Teddy Bridgewater. He will give you a bettet chance to win next year than either Keenum or Yates.
 

Nitrofish

Let The Big Fish Eat!
Maybe you are blinded by your emotions?
Perhaps, but I am not the one frothing at the mouth when the topic of Matt Schaub comes up. Many posters and Texans fans alike have turned Schaub bashing into a sport. Who can come up with the lamest joke of them all.

Keep in mind we are talking about a HOF player who had these things to say, not some blogger, or NFL.com wanna be.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
The whole team was bad last year. I thought Keenum showed just as much as Schaub in the losses he was in. I mean they all lost. OB is known to work well with QBs. You take last year's development, get some more coaching and off season work and then you evaluate against Schaub or the rookie Qb or whomever. But I don't think Schaub automatically gets the nod. Based on what criteria?
 
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infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Perhaps, but I am not the one frothing at the mouth when the topic of Matt Schaub comes up.
Not everyone who wanted Kubiak or Schaub gone is frothing at the mouth. Some yes, but not all.

A lot of stupid statements and overreactions are made during a 2-14 season.
 

_King_

Guest
Perhaps, but I am not the one frothing at the mouth when the topic of Matt Schaub comes up. Many posters and Texans fans alike have turned Schaub bashing into a sport. Who can come up with the lamest joke of them all.

Keep in mind we are talking about a HOF player who had these things to say, not some blogger, or NFL.com wanna be.
I heard Faulk say this a while ago. This is fairly old. Felt no need to start a thread on it because I didn't care. I don't think highly of Schaub and that has 0 to do with emotions.

And should I put more stock in what Marshall Faulk says than a guy that was an actual teammate of Schaub's?

Derrick ward wasn't a hall of famer...but he was pretty good. He said the texans won't win anything with Schaub at qb.

Truth is, I know enough about the sport to form my own opinion and not take what others say as gospel. I'll listen, doesn't mean I have to agree.

I disagree with Faulk. No I'm no a hall of game football player so take it with a grain of salt.
 

matts290

Waterboy
Maybe he does give us the best chance for an above .500 record to next season, but he is in no way part of the long term plans and I think O'Brien has proven with his gutting of the staff that this team is starting fresh. Just imagine that first interception Schaub throws next season, how ugly it could all turn out if the fans turn on BOB real quick.
 

Nitrofish

Let The Big Fish Eat!
The whole team was bad last year. I thought Keenum showed just as much as Schaub in the losses he was in. I mean they all lost. OB is know to work well with QBs. You take last year's development, get some more coaching and off season work and then you evaluate against Schaub or the rookie Qb or whomever. But I don't think Schaub automatically gets the nod. Based on what criteria?
Never said automatically, but I would put my money on Schaub beating out Keenum any day. You really think Keenum developed last season? Developed some bad habits maybe. Like averaging 10.58 yards lost per sack.

Not everyone who wanted Kubiak or Schaub gone is frothing at the mouth. Some yes, but not all.

A lot of stupid statements and overreactions are made during a 2-14 season.
I agree with that, but you will agree that most on this board, and most in the FB comments on official posts by the Texans, even when the post had nothing to do with Schaub. Mob mentality towards Schaub, especially in 2013.
 

2012Champs

Hall of Fame
I think taking a pay cut goes without saying. I think Schaub is realistic enough to accept that if given a chance to stay on for one more year. After the way he was pushed aside, he may not want to stay anyway.

Despite what some think on this board, Schaub is far and away the best QB on the Texans as of now.



To roll down this road what wouls Schaub's pay have to be and cap hit for this year to where people would consider keeping him?
 
Just a media guy saying stupid crap to get people to talk about him. Doubt Marshall Faulk has watched more Texans football than most anyone who posts here. Probably looked at a stats sheet and decided that he just had a bad season and it was fixable. I don't understand why anyone would want to keep Schaub after the way he's played since week 12 of 2012, he's been complete crap. I trust O'Brien will agree with those of us who want Schaub gone too.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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I'd rather give Josh McCown a 2 year contract and draft Teddy B, then keep Schaub..
How much do you think it will take to sign McCown for 2 years?

How much success do you think the Texans will have with McCown over the next two years?

Keep in mind, we're $3M under the cap now. We'll need $5M for our rookies & reserve fund. Cutting Schaub will only add $4M.
 

Blake

MMQB
Schaub put me in a bad place last season. If we don't take a top QB, then I am OK with working out a deal that can work for both Matt and the Texans for 2014.

Faulk doesnt know how Matt is going to respond after what happened last season anymore than he knows the winning lotto numbers.

So the question is, who wants to play Schrodingers Cat with Schaub?
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
I just look at it like Schaub gives us the best chance to go over .500, and the least chance of winning it all, which is what we are supposed to be shooting for. That foot injury is a problem that won't go away, and I think it showed up early this last season.

June 1st cut.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Schaub put me in a bad place last season. If we don't take a top QB, then I am OK with working out a deal that can work for both Matt and the Texans for 2014.
I understand.

We don't look at Matt Schaub like Eli Manning, or Matt Ryan. Even though Schaub's been better than both of them in the regular season for quite some time. Eli is clutch in the play-offs & Ryan is younger (28 vs 32). But both of those guys will unquestionably be brought back to start for their teams, no pay-cut even asked, & they were as bad as Schaub in 2013.

Only difference, they were allowed to play it out & never got "back" on track.


I want Schaub gone, don't get me wrong. It's past time we moved on. I'm just saying.
 
I understand.

We don't look at Matt Schaub like Eli Manning, or Matt Ryan. Even though Schaub's been better than both of them in the regular season for quite some time. Eli is clutch in the play-offs & Ryan is younger (28 vs 32). But both of those guys will unquestionably be brought back to start for their teams, no pay-cut even asked, & they were as bad as Schaub in 2013.

Only difference, they were allowed to play it out & never got "back" on track.


I want Schaub gone, don't get me wrong. It's past time we moved on. I'm just saying.
I know you generally make stuff up as you go along, might want to actually look at Schaub's stats in 2013 and then Matt Ryan's and then edit your post.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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I know you generally make stuff up as you go along, might want to actually look at Schaub's stats in 2013 and then Matt Ryan's and then edit your post.
Nope.... looks the same to me. Which stat (since we can use stats now) are you looking at showing Matt Ryan had a much better season than Schaub?
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
I'm with you on this. Schaub was never as bad as people around here try and make him out to be. He had a bad year. He is still the best QB on the roster. I know that's not saying much but he is far better than either Keenum or Yates. But that being said, he needs a fresh start. Let Schaub walk and draft Teddy Bridgewater. He will give you a bettet chance to win next year than either Keenum or Yates.
Calling Matt Schaub the best QB on the current roster (and we don't even know if he's that since the other QBs still have room to improve through more experience and PT.. which Schaub can't say) is like bragging that you're the skinniest kid in fat camp. :vincepalm: At the end of the day, you're still fat.

There will be QBs selected in this draft that will give any NFL team a better chance to win than Matt Schaub. just on potential alone. I really don't understand Nitrofish's infatuation with Schaub. The way he's driven to defend him, it's like he personally knows the guy.
 
Nope.... looks the same to me. Which stat (since we can use stats now) are you looking at showing Matt Ryan had a much better season than Schaub?
OK, I guess I'll google that for you then.

Schaub
Completions: 219
Attempts: 358
Yards: 2310
TD: 10
Int: 14

Ryan
Completions: 438
Attempts: 651
Yards: 4515
TD: 26
Int: 17
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
Never said automatically, but I would put my money on Schaub beating out Keenum any day. You really think Keenum developed last season? Developed some bad habits maybe. Like averaging 10.58 yards lost per sack.


I agree with that, but you will agree that most on this board, and most in the FB comments on official posts by the Texans, even when the post had nothing to do with Schaub. Mob mentality towards Schaub, especially in 2013.
Well what habits did Schaub have...throwing pick 6s to end games? I'll take the sacks. You had a kid who was making his first starts and did some great things. He needs work definitely. Schaub had been around and regressed and showed his limitations. They both can be coached up. But again, what makes Pick 6 guy someone who you'd put your money on vs kid with upside? I think you are wasting your money.
 
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