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NFL playoffs 2013-14

revan said:
90 mil. We didnt have that kind of cash :(
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I also didn't have enough cash to replace the transmission in my caddilac. But then I took away it's 24"chrome caps, speakers, and the gold-glitter dice from the mirror and sold it all. Now I have a running car and can drive to work and make more money.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It comes down to this. These are entertainers, not role models. Football is an intense, violent sport in which players put everything they have in to it. It is what it is. Deal with it.
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With all the absentee fathers, they are role models whether you think they should be or not. Deal with it.
 
klockWork said:
I also didn't have enough cash to replace the transmission in my caddilac. But then I took away it's 24"chrome caps, speakers, and the gold-glitter dice from the mirror and sold it all. Now I have a running car and can drive to work and make more money.
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You are fortunate to have had the frivolous add ons and even more fortunate you could get anything for them. To bad football teams don't have that luxury.
 
Marshall said:
~You don't understand. There's always cash and cap space unless you're complaining about the GM. Then it's all HIS fault. Get with the program...~
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klockWork said:
I also didn't have enough cash to replace the transmission in my caddilac. But then I took away it's 24"chrome caps, speakers, and the gold-glitter dice from the mirror and sold it all. Now I have a running car and can drive to work and make more money.
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I know what you mean, shoot I would not mind one bit if our Texans would get in cap hell or whatever it took to get Manning if it meant he would have taken us to our first Superbowl.
 
it's just ridiculous that probably the best quarterback of all time is still getting better at 37 years old. an ancient noodle armed statue with neck problems, in his second year on a new team ... destroyed the single season passing records and blasted the patriots in the championship game. love him or hate him, i dont think there ever has been or will be another player that can single handedly carry a franchise like peyton. sure the playoffs are different and require the defense to actually show up, but making the dance every year and on now his 3rd superbowl appearance is pretty dang impressive.

honestly i didnt give him much consideration as a free agent because i thought he was done. the neck injury appeared crippling, especially with the secrecy surrounding his ability to throw. forget about being a quarterback, i was worried he'd have trouble bending over to sign autographs. had he been healthy i have no doubt we would've cut anyone or everyone to get manning onto the team.
 
Scooter said:
it's just ridiculous that probably the best quarterback of all time is still getting better at 37 years old. an ancient noodle armed statue with neck problems, in his second year on a new team ... destroyed the single season passing records and blasted the patriots in the championship game. love him or hate him, i dont think there ever has been or will be another player that can single handedly carry a franchise like peyton. sure the playoffs are different and require the defense to actually show up, but making the dance every year and on now his 3rd superbowl appearance is pretty dang impressive.

honestly i didnt give him much consideration as a free agent because i thought he was done. the neck injury appeared crippling, especially with the secrecy surrounding his ability to throw. forget about being a quarterback, i was worried he'd have trouble bending over to sign autographs. had he been healthy i have no doubt we would've cut anyone or everyone to get manning onto the team.
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I'm with you. I didn't think Manning or Luck would survive one, much less two NFL seasons without at least some significant time in rehab.

But honestly, I'm surprised when any player makes two consecutive seasons without going on IR now.
 
I like San Fran even less than Seattle, but everyone knows that the refs gave the Seahawks a giant gift when they failed to call a roughing/personal-foul on the guy who hit the SF punter. Actually that was probably the ball game right there.
 
revan said:
90 mil. We didnt have that kind of cash :(
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It's not 90 million, it's the first year's caphit, which was 18m. That offseason we extended Foster, Myers and Schaub. Cutting Schaub is a no-brainer in that instance and would have saved about 10 million (June 1st cut rule), and keeping Foster on his Exclusive Free Agent deal would have saved about 7.25m. We could have easily made a reasonable offer to Manning, but from what I heard Kubiak had absolutely no intention of looking at Peyton.
 
Dutchrudder said:
It's not 90 million, it's the first year's caphit, which was 18m. That offseason we extended Foster, Myers and Schaub. Cutting Schaub is a no-brainer in that instance and would have saved about 10 million (June 1st cut rule), and keeping Foster on his Exclusive Free Agent deal would have saved about 7.25m. We could have easily made a reasonable offer to Manning, but from what I heard Kubiak had absolutely no intention of looking at Peyton.
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Oh wow, well looks like his ego cost him his job. He probably wanted all the credit. Look at Fox on the sidelines as Manning tears defenses apart, he could give zero f's about who gets credit lol.
 
Marshall said:
I'm old school. Let your play do your talking. Keep your mouth shut.

Let the wannabes on message boards (like me) run their mouths.
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Old school or new school depends on the program you were in.

My football "career" was only high school and middle school, but I was taught in a "gamesmanship" style. Borderline cheating and playing dirty. That could include smack talk or cheapshots.

To me that is old school, since a lot of football is coming as close to cheating as you possibly can without getting caught.
 
Scooter said:
honestly i didnt give him much consideration as a free agent because i thought he was done. the neck injury appeared crippling, especially with the secrecy surrounding his ability to throw. forget about being a quarterback, i was worried he'd have trouble bending over to sign autographs. had he been healthy i have no doubt we would've cut anyone or everyone to get manning onto the team.
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Bingo. I was concerned about the wisdom of his continuing to play at all and was worried the Texans would would be hamstrung for years if the gigantic gamble didn't pay off.

revan said:
Oh wow, well looks like his ego cost him his job. He probably wanted all the credit. Look at Fox on the sidelines as Manning tears defenses apart, he could give zero f's about who gets credit lol.
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Or just like Scooter says there was a gigantic medical issue. Ignoring that is just looking to badmouth someone.

Dutchrudder said:
It's not 90 million, it's the first year's caphit, which was 18m. That offseason we extended Foster, Myers and Schaub. Cutting Schaub is a no-brainer in that instance and would have saved about 10 million (June 1st cut rule), and keeping Foster on his Exclusive Free Agent deal would have saved about 7.25m. We could have easily made a reasonable offer to Manning, but from what I heard Kubiak had absolutely no intention of looking at Peyton.
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Just because something can be made to fit the cap for a year doesn't mean it is long term viable for the team. You are also failing to give any consideration to what if the gamble fails.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Old school or new school depends on the program you were in.

My football "career" was only high school and middle school, but I was taught in a "gamesmanship" style. Borderline cheating and playing dirty. That could include smack talk or cheapshots.

To me that is old school, since a lot of football is coming as close to cheating as you possibly can without getting caught.
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That's not old school. That's reform school.
 
I had no problem whatsoever with Sherman putting Crabs on blast like that b/c I'm pretty sure Crabs was talking all kinds of smack during the game too...Crabs should've just taken his L like a man.

As a WR, you gotta know who he is as a player. He talks smack all game long and you can't feed into that stuff...He's a superior version of Cortland Finnegan. You just got to shut up & let him talk to himself all game.
 
My 2 cents.

a) I like trash talking. Think it can be funny. But I also think there are two sides to it. You can be a Deion, a Steve Smith or some of these other guys and come across as funny/crazy. Or you can be a Richard Sherman type that comes across as just a lunatic with some serious issues.

b) My issue isn't with some of the talk as much as the action. Sherman chased Crabtree down after the play. Punk move.

c) I was laughing on Twitter last night because defenders of Sherman said he was this 4.0 student and went to Stanford. Wow, I didn't know that people at Stanford were immune from being classless bleeps. There are a-holes at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc, etc. Good schools known for academics don't change your personal skill sets.
 
HoustonFrog said:
c) I was laughing on Twitter last night because defenders of Sherman said he was this 4.0 student and went to Stanford. Wow, I didn't know that people at Stanford were immune from being classless bleeps. There are a-holes at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc, etc. Good schools known for academics don't change your personal skill sets.
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Having a high GPA at Stanford isn't the same thing as at other schools. For decades they allowed people to drop classes after the final exam. They moved it back a couple weeks but it is still incredibly generous. So basically you have to work hard to have a bad grade appear on your Stanford transcript.

I am not slagging the education at Stanford. It is excellent. But their grading is not the norm.
 
My memory of old school is different from what I'm reading and for me somehow yesteryear is better than yesterday. First, you had and still have different personalities, but today there is more political correctness.

When I saw Sherman's interview last night the first thing came to mind was him sounding like a professional wrestler. I wasn't amused, yet I wasn't really offended either. Being a lifelong (theirs) Cowboys fan, OMG, I remember cringing every time a commentator put a mike in Mike Irvin's face. He was like the wayward family member and I prayed accordingly for years.
 
HoustonFrog said:
My 2 cents.

a) I like trash talking. Think it can be funny. But I also think there are two sides to it. You can be a Deion, a Steve Smith or some of these other guys and come across as funny/crazy. Or you can be a Richard Sherman type that comes across as just a lunatic with some serious issues.

b) My issue isn't with some of the talk as much as the action. Sherman chased Crabtree down after the play. Punk move.

c) I was laughing on Twitter last night because defenders of Sherman said he was this 4.0 student and went to Stanford. Wow, I didn't know that people at Stanford were immune from being classless bleeps. There are a-holes at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc, etc. Good schools known for academics don't change your personal skill sets.
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Yup, the bolded is really the only thing I took issue with. Crabtree may very well be an asshat, but running down a dude right after the game to rub it in isn't considered sportsmanlike imo.

That said, sportsmanship is becoming harder and harder to find these days.

BTW, I couldn't care less about what Sherman said in Erin's (hottie) interview.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yup, the bolded is really the only thing I took issue with. Crabtree may very well be an asshat, but running down a dude right after the game to rub it in isn't considered sportsmanlike imo.

That said, sportsmanship is becoming harder and harder to find these days.

BTW, I couldn't care less about what Sherman said in Erin's (hottie) interview.
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Thank you for posting it right.
 
Espn had an article that mentioned this beef goes back to the offseason where Crabtree said something to Sherman . To be continued next year
 
I find it odd that in all of this "role model" talk a big deal is being made about Sherman's loud mouth yet nobody is talking about Crabtree shoving him in the face.

So it's not okay to talk trash to an opponent but if somebody talks trash to you it is okay to put your hands on them? Got it.

I can see how Sherman's act gets tired to some. I just think it's funny that nobody cares what Crabtree does, only how Sherman reacts.
 
bah007 said:
I find it odd that in all of this "role model" talk a big deal is being made about Sherman's loud mouth yet nobody is talking about Crabtree shoving him in the face.

So it's not okay to talk trash to an opponent but if somebody talks trash to you it is okay to put your hands on them? Got it.
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crabtree throughout the game is probably the bigger (whiner, douche, showboat, putz, loudmouth, etc) and most assuredly had it coming. for that moment though he should get the nobel peace prize for only pushing sherman away. if i had just lost such a meaningful game and the loudmouth chased me down to give me hell about it, they'd be trying to determine whether the NFL or the police should decide my punishment.
 
bah007 said:
I find it odd that in all of this "role model" talk a big deal is being made about Sherman's loud mouth yet nobody is talking about Crabtree shoving him in the face.

So it's not okay to talk trash to an opponent but if somebody talks trash to you it is okay to put your hands on them? Got it.

I can see how Sherman's act gets tired to some. I just think it's funny that nobody cares what Crabtree does, only how Sherman reacts.
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Two wrongs do not make a right, but three rights make a left in Michigan.
 
Scooter said:
crabtree throughout the game is probably the bigger (whiner, douche, showboat, putz, loudmouth, etc) and most assuredly had it coming. for that moment though he should get the nobel peace prize for only pushing sherman away. if i had just lost such a meaningful game and the loudmouth chased me down to give me hell about it, they'd be trying to determine whether the NFL or the police should decide my punishment.
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Kinda my point with all these "role model" posts. It's not okay to be a loudmouth, but it's okay to use violence if someone is mean to you?

Plus, if he hadn't been running his mouth so much that moment (Sherman taunting him) wouldn't have hurt so bad.

Marshall said:
Two wrongs do not make a right, but three rights make a left in Michigan.
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Not saying either is right. Just think the double standard is odd.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Old school or new school depends on the program you were in.

My football "career" was only high school and middle school, but I was taught in a "gamesmanship" style. Borderline cheating and playing dirty. That could include smack talk or cheapshots.

To me that is old school, since a lot of football is coming as close to cheating as you possibly can without getting caught.
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I agree completely.

The is so much of this weird hindsight thing about the past, like it was all gold and buttercups and everyone hugging and being nice to each other.

Except, you know, it's all revisionist history B.S.

Like I've said in the NSZ, the past is full of just as much controversy, inequality, cheating, and dirty play as anything happening today, both in society at large and within sports.

I watch a LOT of NFL Films stuff over the decades, and anyone that believes there was more sportsmanship and "honor" in past decades than today is either a liar, delusional, and/or simply ignorant of history.

Deacon Jones purposefully giving linemen concussions with a hidden piece of metal in his forearm cast? Dude BRAGGED about breaking rules and hitting opponents on their heads. And this is a HoF player who the NFL regularly celebrates.

We can go on and on with examples, but that's beside the point. Pro players were just as ruthless to win in the past as anyone today (perhaps even more with less refs and scrutiny about player safety in the past).

Playoffs said:
And doing the choker sign at him. Classless.

"I know you are but what am I?" :slapfight:
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The choker sign was actually at Kaepernick, not that it makes it better.

They should never put a microphone in a very emotional player's face just moments after a huge play in a monumental game.

I'm not a big fan of Sherman, but I respect his talent and his mouth writes checks that his play on the field cashes.

His beef with Crabtree goes way back, and considering these guys play each other twice a year, it's a solid rivalry.

Sherman explained himself in this article from a couple of hours ago, fwiw:

‘To Those Who Would Call Me a Thug or Worse …'
 
2012Champs said:
Bill is reaching big time. I'm sure you don't plan to send someone out with a knee issue hitting them like Wes did
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Looks pretty damn intentional to me and should have drawn a flag. The intent to hit Talib is what Belichick means I think, not specifically the knee.

Rule 8, Section 5, Article 2 (Forward Pass, Backward Pass, Fumble)

Prohibited Acts by both teams while the ball is in the air. Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:

(e) cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball.
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I think Sherman a little too crazy -- it's funny to hear that "interview" and remember that he has a Communications degree from Stanford -- but I know enough about Crabtree to believe he was probably provoking a lot of it.
 
infantrycak said:
Looks pretty damn intentional to me and should have drawn a flag. The intent to hit Talib is what Belichick means I think, not specifically the knee.
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It wasn't clear from The Hoodie's comments, but yeah, if he was only referring to the (illegal) pick as intentional and not the intent to injure, then I would agree with him.
 
Playoffs said:
Seahawks fans were throwing food at Navarro Bowman when he was carted off on a stetcher??? :mariopalm:

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Skittles? I thought that was a sign of respect...
 
infantrycak said:
Looks pretty damn intentional to me and should have drawn a flag. The intent to hit Talib is what Belichick means I think, not specifically the knee.
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It said “It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” I took that as take him out of the game, which I don't believe was anyone's intention. I Bill was just talking about that single play I'd agree
 
eriadoc said:
When you try to show sportsmanship and someone does that to you, then they deserve to get punked IMO.
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I would agree if I believed Sherman. I don't. How credible is it that he made a choking gesture at Kaep, then ran down a guy he loathes to tell him "good game?"

Also when the microphone got shoved in his face a few seconds later to me the automatic response would have been akin to "did you see that punk when I tried to tell him good game?"

It was a great play though.

2012Champs said:
It said “It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” I took that as take him out of the game, which I don't believe was anyone's intention. I Bill was just talking about that single play I'd agree
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I see the ambiguity but think it was the latter. I think he was complaining that Welker got away with an illegal block that never should have happened and it resulted in an injury. It certainly could be attempting to injure though. If that is what he meant then I disagree with him although the flag still should have been thrown.
 
2012Champs said:
It said “It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” I took that as take him out of the game, which I don't believe was anyone's intention. I Bill was just talking about that single play I'd agree
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Right. Did he mean "take him out" of the *game* (by injuring him) or "take him out" of the *play*? I think it's obvious Welker tried to take him out of the *play*, but I don't think I'd go so far as to suggest he tried to injure him to the point of getting him out of the game.
 
“It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” Belichick told reporters Monday morning. “No attempt to get open. And I’ll let the league handle the discipline on that play. It’s not for me to decide, but it’s one of the worst plays I’ve seen..."
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Yeah Bill, I'm sure the Broncos were thinking, "Hey, this Talib guy, we gotta get rid of him or we're gonna lose, and I know just how to do it... (evil villain laugh). We will send our 5-9 180 pound WR at him on a pick play and tell him to go for the knees! Mwahhahahaaha! IT'S BRILLIANT!!!"

:kitten:

And I have to say it's really hilarious that Belichick would complain about something his team has been doing for years. Not only using the WRs and TEs for picks, but also deliberately scheming to use the umpire as a pick on short crossing routes. Now he's a victim of it and cries foul. What a joke.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Yeah Bill, I'm sure the Broncos were thinking, "Hey, this Talib guy, we gotta get rid of him or we're gonna lose, and I know just how to do it... (evil villain laugh). We will send our 5-9 180 pound WR at him on a pick play and tell him to go for the knees! Mwahhahahaaha! IT'S BRILLIANT!!!"

:kitten:

And I have to say it's really hilarious that Belichick would complain about something his team has been doing for years. Not only using the WRs and TEs for picks, but also deliberately scheming to use the umpire as a pick on short crossing routes. Now he's a victim of it and cries foul. What a joke.
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came in to say this....quit crying William....The league let you & Welker get away with it for years..
 
Playoffs said:
Seahawks fans were throwing food at Navarro Bowman when he was carted off on a stetcher??? :mariopalm:

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Marshall said:
Skittles? I thought that was a sign of respect...
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Wasn't Skittles. It was popcorn.

Bowman has been one of my favorite players to watch play the game. The injury looked brutal. I hope for a full recovery

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“It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” Belichick told reporters Monday morning. “No attempt to get open. And I’ll let the league handle the discipline on that play. It’s not for me to decide, but it’s one of the worst plays I’ve seen..."
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As opposed to what? Suspending him from the Super Bowl yourself during your post-game press conference?

It appears Denver fans should be thankful Bill chose not to handle this one himself.
 
infantrycak said:
I see the ambiguity but think it was the latter. I think he was complaining that Welker got away with an illegal block that never should have happened and it resulted in an injury. It certainly could be attempting to injure though. If that is what he meant then I disagree with him although the flag still should have been thrown.
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Agreed. Belichick isn't going to accuse Welker of being a dirty player, to the point of trying to injure another player. Welker was not trying to get open on that play, it was clear that his intention was to interfere with Talib's ability to cover his man.

However, ultimately it is a judgement call. It's the referee's responsibility to determine if it was accidental or intentional. I think it was blatant & I believe that is what Belichick is going to turn in to the league.

Of course, he doesn't seem to mind when his receivers get away with it against our team, or the several other teams his guys have gotten the call... Patriots, Colts, & now Denver get away with that, imo, more than the other teams in the league.
 
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