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Would Your Trade the 1st Pick for Rg3?

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thetexanator

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one really good year, one bad year. could go either way, looks like he was brought back too soon.

would you give up the 1st for him?

id have to say i dont think i would. looks really damaged out there.:kitten:
 
thetexanator said:
one really good year, one bad year. could go either way, looks like he was brought back too soon.

would you give up the 1st for him?

id have to say i dont think i would. looks really damaged out there.:kitten:
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A 100 % healthy RG I would. With the Oline we are going to put together, he would be perfect.
 
thetexanator said:
one really good year, one bad year. could go either way, looks like he was brought back too soon.

would you give up the 1st for him?

id have to say i dont think i would. looks really damaged out there.:kitten:
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I wouldn't do it. If anything I would trade out of the first round and have 2 the following year and get Jameis Winston.
 
guys the injury is the only reason why it would happen. snyder wouldnt give up on a fully healthy rg3.
he wont be back before the draft, so you gotta try and strike while there are still injury concerns otherwise it would never happen.
 
thetexanator said:
guys the injury is the only reason why it would happen. snyder wouldnt give up on a fully healthy rg3.
he wont be back before the draft, so you gotta try and strike while there are still injury concerns otherwise it would never happen.
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So to clarify the trade has to be today based on known injury rather than the draft four months away when he could be better? I would not trade for an injured player as we learned from FA Ed Reed.
 
Its really a sad situation IMO. The Redskins ruined RG3 by letting him play with damaged ligaments last season. It really pissed me off seeing that as I am a huge Rg3 fan.
 
No, he was a flash in the pan. Will remain injury prone if he keeps running (like Vick) or be a mediocre passing QB (like Vick). Now Russel Wilson I would trade for ...
 
Dutchrudder said:
Only if Shanahan comes with him.
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You mean this Shannahan
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and not THIS Shannahan...

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right?
 
Would Your Trade the 1st Pick for Rg3?
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Nope. And I like RGIII, but I'm not convinced that he can consistently be the man for clutch situations.

Not a popular pick, but I'd like Jake Matthews on the right side of our o-line. A badass offensive line can provide a lot of positive things to a variety of QBs and RBs. Gotta' consistently win in the trenches to do anything great in the NFL, and that is tried and true wisdom regardless of era.
 
I would, I think him having a full off-season off to get healed would do him good. A lot of QB's have sophomore slumps, i.e Andrew Luck. I'd take RG3 over any QB in this draft class for sure. I'd like to hear what Seegara's racist daughter has to say about this though.
 
Why would y'all want to draft a RT so high in the draft? RT's can be had with 2nd round or even later picks. We didn't get Duane until the end of the 1st and he might've even have fallen to the second.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Why would y'all want to draft a RT so high in the draft? RT's can be had with 2nd round or even later picks. We didn't get Duane until the end of the 1st and he might've even have fallen to the second.
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But not the quality of Matthews nor could most of them replace Brown in a few years and keep going to pro bowl; even my guy James would be solid RT but not a left.
 
badboy said:
But not the quality of Matthews nor could most of them replace Brown in a few years and keep going to pro bowl; even my guy James would be solid RT but not a left.
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I'm sure that no draftnik had Brown on their boards in the first round and look at him now. Look at Buffalo getting Cordy Glenn in the second round and making him into a Pro Bowl level LT.

I see no reason to spend a high draft pick on a RT to maybe someday replace LT when we have needs at way more important positions (QB, LB, DT) and we have a high draft pick to use it on.
 
No. I'm not convinced he'll ever be the same guy he was at the beginning of his career again. I think Shanahan broke him and then continued to pile on by not sitting him for Cousins at the beginning of this season.

I think we can do more with that first pick than get a guy who's probably already washed up.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Why would y'all want to draft a RT so high in the draft? RT's can be had with 2nd round or even later picks. We didn't get Duane until the end of the 1st and he might've even have fallen to the second.
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A good GM can leverage a high pick for more choices and still get the guy they have targeted when it's not an over-hyped QB.

I don't care what QB they bring in here, if the line cannot consistently protect him, he's going to struggle and most likely fail.

A good line can make a decent QB look good, and a good QB look great. And if you happen on a great QB with an awesome line, you are looking at a formula for long term success and Super Bowl potential.

I know McNair wants playoff contention in 2014 and does not want to be seen as a rebuild year, but that is either naively shortsighted or wishful thinking on his part. This team does not have a starting QB, does not have a HC, and most likely has to install a new offense. To expect immediate results is setting himself up. Yeah, it can happen, but let's not be ready to jump off bridges if immediate gratification is not satisfied.

I have no problem with a 2 year "rebuild" to re-stock players and fully implement new schemes. They will have high picks in every round, so do it right and make both the offensive and defensive lines something to build on for the long term future, IMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
A good GM can leverage a high pick for more choices and still get the guy they have targeted when it's not an over-hyped QB.

I don't care what QB they bring in here, if the line cannot consistently protect him, he's going to struggle and most likely fail.

A good line can make a decent QB look good, and a good QB look great. And if you happen on a great QB with an awesome line, you are looking at a formula for long term success and Super Bowl potential.

I know McNair wants playoff contention in 2014 and does not want to be seen as a rebuild year, but that is either naively shortsighted or wishful thinking on his part. This team does not have a starting QB, does not have a HC, and most likely has to install a new offense. To expect immediate results is setting himself up. Yeah, it can happen, but let's not be ready to jump off bridges if immediate gratification is not satisfied.

I have no problem with a 2 year "rebuild" to re-stock players and fully implement new schemes. They will have high picks in every round, so do it right and make both the offensive and defensive lines something to build on for the long term future, IMO.
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I kind of doubt any coach would want to come in with no QB. The Texans have no starting NFL QBs on the roster. Taking Matthews and rolling with Mark Sanchez or a second-tier rookie QB doesn't seem like a real possibility. Look how well the Jake Long-Chad Hennie combo worked for the Phins

I honestly doubt that anyone would be bringing up Jake if his last name wasn't Matthews. Of course the board would be talking up Derek if his last name wasn't Carr
 
No thanks.

RG3 might be RGdone.

His mobility was his calling card and that is possibly gone.

I'm currently Ready for Teddy.
 
The1ApplePie said:
I kind of doubt any coach would want to come in with no QB. The Texans have no starting NFL QBs on the roster. Taking Matthews and rolling with Mark Sanchez or a second-tier rookie QB doesn't seem like a real possibility. Look how well the Jake Long-Chad Hennie combo worked for the Phins
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I get that a new HC will probably want to use this pick on a QB. It's such a crap shoot at best, and with a rookie QB, there is little doubt about rebuild as you wait for the player to mature and absorb an NFL playbook.

And I'm not seeing any veteran QBs to really get excited about.

However, I am mentally preparing myself for the possible Wade at HC and Case at QB. There is the potential when the owner said it's an on-going evaluation process over the next three games. Should they go this route, expect to see the BPA mentality with the draft pick.

The1ApplePie said:
I honestly doubt that anyone would be bringing up Jake if his last name wasn't Matthews. Of course the board would be talking up Derek if his last name wasn't Carr
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Maybe. But don't most draft boards have Matthews going high? He's not going to be rated high on name alone.
 
Double Barrel said:
I get that a new HC will probably want to use this pick on a QB. It's such a crap shoot at best, and with a rookie QB, there is little doubt about rebuild as you wait for the player to mature and absorb an NFL playbook.

And I'm not seeing any veteran QBs to really get excited about.

However, I am mentally preparing myself for the possible Wade at HC and Case at QB. There is the potential when the owner said it's an on-going evaluation process over the next three games. Should they go this route, expect to see the BPA mentality with the draft pick.



Maybe. But don't most draft boards have Matthews going high? He's not going to be rated high on name alone.
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No for any team. I think Shanahan (and maybe RG3 a bit himself) ruined his career by what they did in the Seahawks game last year. I don't think he will ever be truly 100% again.
 
thetexanator said:
one really good year, one bad year. could go either way, looks like he was brought back too soon.

would you give up the 1st for him?

id have to say i dont think i would. looks really damaged out there.
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Not no but heck no. Trade a 1st overall for Sir King Failure? We know you were just trying to stimulate interesting speculation. We know you weren't serious.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Why would y'all want to draft a RT so high in the draft? RT's can be had with 2nd round or even later picks. We didn't get Duane until the end of the 1st and he might've even have fallen to the second.
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The kind of lineman you're talking about drafting that early can play multiple positions on the line and play those positions at an exceptionally high level. When the Oiler's line was stocked with Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak, and Dean Steinkuhler It really didn't make all that much difference who the other two guys were as long as they were at least minimally capable. Building that kind of wall up front makes everything work better and it's an investment that can last a decade.
 
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Hervoyel said:
The kind of lineman you're talking about drafting that early can play multiple positions on the line and play those positions at an exceptionally high level. When the Oiler's line was stocked with Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak, and Dean Steinkuhler It really didn't make all that much difference who the other two guys were as long as they were at least minimally capable. Building that kind of wall up front makes everything work better and it's an investment that can last a decade.
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True it can pay dividends for a decade. That still leaves a lot of room on how to do it. A Football Life did an episode on The Wall of the 90's Cowboys. It started with a 3rd round pick as its highest picked player.
 
Double Barrel said:
A good GM can leverage a high pick for more choices and still get the guy they have targeted when it's not an over-hyped QB.

I don't care what QB they bring in here, if the line cannot consistently protect him, he's going to struggle and most likely fail.

A good line can make a decent QB look good, and a good QB look great. And if you happen on a great QB with an awesome line, you are looking at a formula for long term success and Super Bowl potential.

I know McNair wants playoff contention in 2014 and does not want to be seen as a rebuild year, but that is either naively shortsighted or wishful thinking on his part. This team does not have a starting QB, does not have a HC, and most likely has to install a new offense. To expect immediate results is setting himself up. Yeah, it can happen, but let's not be ready to jump off bridges if immediate gratification is not satisfied.

I have no problem with a 2 year "rebuild" to re-stock players and fully implement new schemes. They will have high picks in every round, so do it right and make both the offensive and defensive lines something to build on for the long term future, IMO.
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Very well stated DB. We need to make wise choices and not make "predictions". This would be a good time to use the old one game at a time.
 
infantrycak said:
True it can pay dividends for a decade. That still leaves a lot of room on how to do it. A Football Life did an episode on The Wall of the 90's Cowboys. It started with a 3rd round pick as its highest picked player.
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That still blows my mind...Tuinei, Newton? Undrafted. Williams was a 3rd IIRC and believe Allen was the 2nd...I can't remember Stepnoski but I'm sure it was a steal.

Crazy luck or great scouting or both.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Matthews and Carr are both good prospects but neither are consensus best player at their position let alone worthy of 1.1
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I could be wrong but I think Matthews is the consensus #1 at his position with exception of message board experts. Whether he is worthy of first pick is arguable.
 
thetexanator said:
one really good year, one bad year. could go either way, looks like he was brought back too soon.

would you give up the 1st for him?

id have to say i dont think i would. looks really damaged out there.:kitten:
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Hhhmmmmm... :thinking:


Let me smoke copious amounts of pot............

I'm thinking....


Still thinking..........




No!



All joking aside, this was pretty much the dumbest question ever asked....



WOW!!!

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Yeah I'd do it. The guy had a very stellar rookie season. Showed tons of skill, but just needed to learn to slide better and to avoid hits. Last season he came into the team with no preseason and still hurt. He didn't seem mentally prepared for the speed and the physical demand of a long game. I think with a full off season where he can let his body heal and work on a lot of things internally, he can come back prepared mentally again and in top physical shape, he easily can return to a progressing form again. He'll need some weapons, but his skill set is far to great for me to pass if I had the decision. I'd easily roll the dice on RG3.
 
I think a lot of people are underrating Griffin's ability as a passer. The guy can certainly make all the throws you'd want in an NFL quarterback. Griffin's ability to scramble certainly helps him out, but Tim Tebow he is not.

I wouldn't do it solely based on contractual reasons. His rookie deal is a four year contract, of which two years have already passed. So we'd be giving up a first round pick for two years of Griffin. Sure, we could franchise him, but you never want to reserve your franchise tag years in advance when anything can happen, like Griffin's injury for example.

I do honestly pause though if, say, Griffin would agree to an extension before a trade.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
How many T have gone #1 ever?

RT?
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without research Joekiel last draft to answer first question and I think none for second question. That was not the topic however. Your original point was best at his position & Matthews is definitely that. Kouandijo could develop into the same type after a year maybe two. I am still hoping for a trade.
 
badboy said:
without research Joekiel last draft to answer first question and I think none for second question. That was not the topic however. Your original point was best at his position & Matthews is definitely that. Kouandijo could develop into the same type after a year maybe two. I am still hoping for a trade.
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Fisher was first picked this last draft and Joeckel #2. Joeckel was drafted and used at RT but only because they weren't going to reup Monroe. We have a stud LT who we just extended a contact with.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
How many T have gone #1 ever?

RT?
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Matthews can play both sides (RT/LT) and both very well. This is why he's coveted. Also three T's (all I believe LT's) have been picked first overall since 1997 when Orlando Pace was taken. The other two were Jake Long in 2008 and Eric Fisher just last year.
 
infantrycak said:
True it can pay dividends for a decade. That still leaves a lot of room on how to do it. A Football Life did an episode on The Wall of the 90's Cowboys. It started with a 3rd round pick as its highest picked player.
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There is no "only" way to do it of course. I'd prefer to start with Matthews. Others may and will disagree. If Luck was there or another Manning I'd go that route but there isn't. Just Bridgewater who I don't see as nearly as likely to be a franchise QB as I do Matthews being a franchise LT. Brown is wrapping up his 6th season. He can be a "bookend" with Matthews for another few years, get his next (maybe last) big contract from someone else, and Matthews can slide over to the left side at that time.

Hell, if Matthews turns into a better LT than Duane then they can swap positions earlier. If Brown doesn't like it I'm sure someone will be willing to trade for a LT of Brown's quality, though I'd hate for that to happen. I prefer the scenario where they play on the same line for another 3-4 years.

Lots of directions to go with this.
 
toronto said:
That still blows my mind...Tuinei, Newton? Undrafted. Williams was a 3rd IIRC and believe Allen was the 2nd...I can't remember Stepnoski but I'm sure it was a steal.

Crazy luck or great scouting or both.
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The original Wall was:
Tuinei - undrafted
Newton - undrafted
Stepknoski - 3rd round, just 269 lbs
Gesek - 10th round
Williams - 3rd round

The 2nd SB Gesek was replaced with Gogan an 8th round pick. Larry Allen (2nd round 1994) was to take that spot but played RT with Williams out.

Luck, scouting and Hudson Houck as OL coach.

Erik Williams still blames himself for their not winning 4 SBs in a row because of his 1994 car wreck.

Hervoyel said:
There is no "only" way to do it of course. I'd prefer to start with Matthews. Others may and will disagree.
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I was advocating exactly what you laid out with Matthews and Brown a while back in the draft forum. I sm not against the concept. I was surprised to find only 3 1st round OT's have played on the past 10 SB winners with #15 the highest pick (the other two both at #23 iirc). So I do question using the #1 pick on any OT. Wouldn't mind a trade back and get a 1st round OT at all though.
 
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Hervoyel said:
Matthews can play both sides (RT/LT) and both very well. This is why he's coveted. Also three T's (all I believe LT's) have been picked first overall since 1997 when Orlando Pace was taken. The other two were Jake Long in 2008 and Eric Fisher just last year.
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Mathews will get eaten alive if he starts at LT his rookie season. He doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Pace, Ling or Fisher.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Fisher was first picked this last draft and Joeckel #2. Joeckel was drafted and used at RT but only because they weren't going to reup Monroe. We have a stud LT who we just extended a contact with.
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Yeah I had them backwards but point is OT is possible pick one. Give Matthews three years as we did Brown and he could be LT and Brown would have just turned 32 days before opening season in the 4th year could switch to right side and might earn himself another contract.
 
mussop said:
Mathews will get eaten alive if he starts at LT his rookie season. He doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Pace, Ling or Fisher.
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No way he or any other tackle could beat out Brown nor would they have to. That is why he would play RT for 3 years then switch as has been repeatedly stated.
 
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