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What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?

Mr teX

Mr teX

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simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "if" but "when".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...
 
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Mr teX said:
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "when" not "if".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...
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All Keenum has to do is the exact opposite of what Schaub is doing now and I would be satisfied and the Texans would be winning...
 
BullNation4Life said:
All Keenum has to do is the exact opposite of what Schaub is doing now and I would be satisfied and the Texans would be winning...
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Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?
 
Just maximize and seize his opportunity when it comes. And I don't care about pretty stats (just wins), just don't make the "shoots self in foot" plays the other two have made. Also I would actually like to see some on the field vocal leadership which has never been a strong quality of Schaub or Yates. Basically I'd just like to see he can run this offense and display some moxie/energy while doing so.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Just maximize and seize his opportunity when it comes. And I don't care about pretty stats (just wins), just don't make the "shoots self in foot" plays the other two have made. Also I would actually like to see some on the field vocal leadership which has never been a strong quality of Schaub or Yates. Basically I'd just like to see he can run this offense and display some moxie/energy while doing so.
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but what if he does all that, but we still don't win?.....not blowout losses like we've seen lately, but close losses.

Would you still feel like we should continue to develop this kid & he be brought in as the incumbent next year or bring in a 1st rounder to compete with him?
 
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.
 
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case
 
DexmanC said:
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.
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They are all sleeping on him. Like Jon Gruden said, he will make coaches sorry that he didn't pick him.

2012Champs said:
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case
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He'll be alright. Just be back here to eat your crow.
 
DexmanC said:
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb.
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I'm hoping they're afraid he's just a system QB & think he's going to flash from time to time, but fail like Kolb did.

I'm hoping they're wrong, because it fuels that belief that we may very well have a franchise QB on the roster.
 
To prove that he's the guy going forward? Like next franchise QB guy, or stopgap guy? If we are talking the former then we are looking for a player that makes you go "wow" with his plays. Not just manages the games but makes plays. Down the field. Cool under pressure, accurate as hell, has escapability, and is smart with where he goes with the football.

For stopgap the criteria is much much easier. Just don't **** things up too badly.
 
DexmanC said:
I don't know why the NFL is sleeping on Keenum. The U of H program didn't win any games against big teams under Kolb. Keenum was the QB that brought wins against big schools to U of H. From what I've seen, the kat makes quick decisions, and gets the ball out. When the defense breaks past the o-line, which happened dang near every pass play when Keenum was in college, he had enough quickness, pocket awareness ,and speed to make a positive play. U of H couldn't stop anybody worth a damn, but under Keenum, they put up points on EVERYBODY.

Schaub and Yates can't do that.
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That's not true at all. Kolb led U of H to a few big wins. He also led U of H to a conference championship (something Keenum did not do although he had the chance to his last year there Until Southern Miss sat on them in the championship game) The coogs in his era also put up points on everyone too...that's the benefits of running spread systems. Both guys beat Ok. State when they were ranked. I don't recall either guy beating any other major ranked teams.
 
2012Champs said:
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case
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You mean like you do for Schaub?

What's with the hate anyways? I mean what makes you a member of the "Case crew"? Im not even a UofH fan, but I do want to see him get a shot. You act like we're putting Tom Brady or Brees on the bench to see him play or something. Newsflash, the crappy play of Schaub and Yates is the only reason why this is even a realistic discussion so if you want to blame someone for the "Case crew", blame them
 
I want to see fire, the will to win ! On 3rd and 4 he sees nothing there and he tries to run for it. Or when we're down by 10 in the 4th i want to see a confident QB who is trying to rally the troops on the sideline. Good thing for us is keenum has that desire to win and that fire in him. Noone knows if he can be a franchise QB but he has the will to win and skill set to do it, no better time than now to find out IMO.
 
Unless Keenum comes in and throws for a jillion yards and TDs, you probably won't know if he's starter material after just one game anyway. And if he does come in, he'll be running Kubiaks ultra-conservative game plan. So if Keenum does come in, he just needs to NOT make mistakes and NOT continually throw behind the receivers.
 
Lead touchdown drives, plain and simple. Some guys just have it, they're not always pretty just effective.
 
b0ng said:
To prove that he's the guy going forward? Like next franchise QB guy, or stopgap guy? If we are talking the former then we are looking for a player that makes you go "wow" with his plays. Not just manages the games but makes plays. Down the field. Cool under pressure, accurate as hell, has escapability, and is smart with where he goes with the football.

For stopgap the criteria is much much easier. Just don't **** things up too badly.
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we could find a stop gap guy in FA..they're all over the place. People seem to think he can be a franchise guy here...especially running Kubiak's qb friendly system. So i guess i meant more in that aspect.
 
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?
 
infantrycak said:
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?
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This is a trick question, isn't it? I'm not playing because I know you've got something up your sleeve. LOL
 
It will be obvious whether Keenum is doing well or not regardless of wins and losses. Can't hold him accountable for drops, bad defense, bad o-line etc.

It will be obvious if he is making quick and anywhere near correct decisions.

So I don't need tons of stats necessarily. Just mostly clean games, with deeper throws, not going fetal in the pocket and keeping drives alive.

Keenum needs to be given the same chance any first year starter would with enough rope to hang himself should that be the case. I can already sense the knee jerk people out there just frothing at the mouth for that first pick to scream SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!! :gun:

fap fap fap
 
Mr teX said:
simple question... b/c at this point its a matter of "when" not "if".

Is it something as simple as just not turning the ball over or making plays?

Or is it specific like a certain stat line or a stat line in conjunction with a few other things?

I kind have mixed feelings about this. I think i'd need to see a combination of great stats and...how kubiak handles him....how he plays when the bright lights are on etc...
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I would say deliver a "W" against the Chiefs...or any team for that matter.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?
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I'm not sure who's stats those are cak but I'd be looking for a new qb. If he doesn't light it up, it will be tough for me to want to risk him not improving. If our first round pick qb had those stats it would be different IMO.
 
Carr Bombed said:
You mean like you do for Schaub?

What's with the hate anyways? I mean what makes you a member of the "Case crew"? Im not even a UofH fan, but I do want to see him get a shot. You act like we're putting Tom Brady or Brees on the bench to see him play or something. Newsflash, the crappy play of Schaub and Yates is the only reason why this is even a realistic discussion so if you want to blame someone for the "Case crew", blame them
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I dont blame gary for Matt's ill performance.


The hate? Its more like the reality check. If Case comes in and wins out there would be no one happier than myself because whoever suits up for the Texans I will be pulling for. The amount of love and froth around Case is well beyond what he deserves
 
The answer for me is quite simple. For me to think he is the starter beyond this year he has to do the basic things you look for in a QB: Hit his receivers in stride, get rid of the ball quick, stand in the pocket under pressure and be able to take a hit, be able to read defenses effectively, etc..
 
If I'll enjoy watching the games I won't complain.

I don't complain much even now, but I'm starting to lose excitement waiting for the "next game".
 
Keenum doesn't have anything to prove to me, except to keep working harder to evolve with the pro game.

The only thing that can keep him back is injury.

I applaud Art Briles for seeing the kid as a sophomore from a small high school with all the natural ability for the QB position.
Making other players around him better is what Keenum does.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/case-keenum

That is exactly what I want from my QB.
 
What keenum will have to do in order for me to not want a first round qb is have 1 or 2 games where he's just excellent.

I'm excited about keenum and I think he can take the job, but if he doesn't do something to make me believe he's a franchise guy, there's no way I'd pass on taking a qb this year.
 
He doesn't have to blaze a trail in the first game, that's for sure. I want to see him competently manage games and move the ball down the field. I want to see him keep the mistakes to a minimum, and keep them from happening at critical moments. In other words, I want to see him answer the challenge of the big moments. If he plays well enough to continue starting, I want to see him make plays to win. I want to see him move in the pocket well enough so that a play isn't forfeit the moment a pass rusher beats his man. I want to see him throw the ball down the field, instead of constantly checking down and throwing underneath. This offense is a short passing offense much of the time, but we've all seen the vertical game disappear completely this season. I want that to change.

Not all of that has to happen in the first game. But if he plays well enough to continue starting, I expect him to have proven he belongs by year end. I don't care about stats. I'm tired of looking at Schaub's 250+ yards a game and knowing he's played like crap.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?
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Depends on how he looked doing it. If he had that Stat line but made some great throws, made some clutch plays....visually passed the eye test, then absolutely.

Coversely, he could put up stats that would extrapolate to 4000 yards and if he looked like ho-hum Harry doing it, I'd be looking for a franchise guy in the draft.
 
Rey said:
Depends on how he looked doing it. If he had that Stat line but made some great throws, made some clutch plays....visually passed the eye test, then absolutely.

Coversely, he could put up stats that would extrapolate to 4000 yards and if he looked like ho-hum Harry doing it, I'd be looking for a franchise guy in the draft.
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You should know that stats are on the only thing that matters.
 
Mr teX said:
Blown out in 3 of the last 4 games....you think starting case is gonna fix all those problems that contributed to that?
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If he is sustaining drives and not going 3 and out every possession, keeping the other offense on the sideline, sure it would help. I watched Rivers do it to the Colts just the other night.

If Keenum can keep drives going, either with his arm or legs, then I think the Texans will start playing a hell of allot better on defense.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
You should know that stats are on the only thing that matters.
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You'll notice i said stats in combination with something else. In any event if he plays well, the numbers will be there. Saying you'd just want him to "win games" or "make plays" on their own doesnt say much about his play in particular. Tim Tebow won games and made plays when he had to.......but i think people who watched him knew he was terrible and the stats bore that out.
 
2012Champs said:
What Id like to know is if he starts what would have to happen for the Case crew to fold and say he cant play. I imagine if he gets game time any bad play will be explained away for a million reasons other than Case being Case
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Kubiak will get blamed if Keenum does not live up to expectations.

Nevermind the fact that Kubiak is the only coach in the NFL to give him a chance.

infantrycak said:
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?
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They have to keep looking for a starter, IMO. The only way to know that Keenum is "The Man" is if he steps up and does more than just manage games. He's going to have to exceed expectations and do 'magic' things for this team, like inspire them to greatness and climb out of the hole they have dug for themselves this season.

If he comes in and is just better than Schaub and Yates, I think the franchise needs to keep looking, if for nothing else to challenge the position in the off-season and give some competition for the job.

As a Texans fan, I hope he does it with all my heart and soul. I sincerely wish he takes this team to the playoffs this year, even if it means saving Kubiak's job.

That said, hope and reality are often at odds. Battle between the heart and mind sort of thing. I hope for the best, but I'm prepared to see a 3rd string QB with no experience get baptized by fire in one of the toughest stadiums in the NFL (should he get the start). It could get ugly. Fast.
 
What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?

Out of the three QBs on our roster, he basically only needs to NOT be Schaub or Yates.
Looks like he's got that covered, so I'm convinced that he's the guy going forward (out of our current three).
 
Double Barrel said:
Kubiak will get blamed if Keenum does not live up to expectations.

Nevermind the fact that Kubiak is the only coach in the NFL to give him a chance.
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I can only speak for myself, but the reason why I want to see Case is two fold:
- he may be able to provide a spark and make the other 52 believe again
- or to put the spotlight back on Kubiak due to his archaic scheme and the notion that he is a developer of QBs

For me it has never been about Case, it is about Kubiak.
 
Mr teX said:
You'll notice i said stats in combination with something else.
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Exactly, it isn't just stats alone. But that goes two ways, it isn't eyeball alone either. Often times people perceive something because their eyeballs or their brains are ignoring things (or they have an agenda skewing their eyes). Stats can point to what the eye is missing like being hyped on some long throws and not remembering all the INTs.

For those who hadn't guessed, the stats are for Drew Brees.
 
BullNation4Life said:
If he is sustaining drives and not going 3 and out every possession, keeping the other offense on the sideline, sure it would help. I watched Rivers do it to the Colts just the other night.

If Keenum can keep drives going, either with his arm or legs, then I think the Texans will start playing a hell of allot better on defense.
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With the gimp that is Matt Schaub, we lead the league in T.o.P.

We're third in 1st downs per game behind Denver & San Diego.

How much better do you expect it to get with Keenum?
 
76Texan said:
Keenum doesn't have anything to prove to me, except to keep working harder to evolve with the pro game.

The only thing that can keep him back is injury.

I applaud Art Briles for seeing the kid as a sophomore from a small high school with all the natural ability for the QB position.
Making other players around him better is what Keenum does.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/case-keenum

That is exactly what I want from my QB.
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What did Broyles mean by this:

“He’s certainly lived up to all of his expectations, without a doubt,” Briles said. “But I don’t think that he’s exceeded any, because I always thought he was one of those guys that was going to be a really talented football player.”
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infantrycak said:
Let's say he finishes out the season. Would you be happy with the stats of another QB who started in his 2nd year?

W/L 50%, 60.8 % comp., 1:1 TD:INT, 6.2 ypa, 205 ypg, 76.9 QB rating.

Would that be good enough for you to anoint him for next year or would you still be looking for a new starter?
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Pass. Schaub did better than that barring this seasons stats. I know who's statline that is though.
 
Double Barrel said:
Kubiak will get blamed if Keenum does not live up to expectations.

Nevermind the fact that Kubiak is the only coach in the NFL to give him a chance.
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To be fair to Case, I think if Kubiak didn't bring him in, he still would've got a invite to someone else's camp. Just because he was undrafted doesn't mean he wouldn't of got a opportunity in the NFL somewhere else if Houston didn't bring him in, so Kubiak is more like the first coach to give him a chance.

He's maximized his opportunity and went from basically just a camp arm, to earning his way onto the practice squad, to then earning a roster spot. He was given a chance here, but he's earned everything else that's happened since and the fact that we're even talking about him possibly starting at some point this season is quite a achievement for a UDFA QB. Just to get to this point he's already beaten incredible odds.. hopefully he keeps beating them.
 
HTown2ATX said:
It will be obvious whether Keenum is doing well or not regardless of wins and losses. Can't hold him accountable for drops, bad defense, bad o-line etc.

It will be obvious if he is making quick and anywhere near correct decisions.

So I don't need tons of stats necessarily. Just mostly clean games, with deeper throws, not going fetal in the pocket and keeping drives alive.

Keenum needs to be given the same chance any first year starter would with enough rope to hang himself should that be the case. I can already sense the knee jerk people out there just frothing at the mouth for that first pick to scream SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!! :gun:

fap fap fap
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Why can't you hold him responsible for those things? Why does he get a pass? If you hold Schaub responsible for those things, you hold Keenum responsible for them too.

2012Champs said:
I dont blame gary for Matt's ill performance.


The hate? Its more like the reality check. If Case comes in and wins out there would be no one happier than myself because whoever suits up for the Texans I will be pulling for. The amount of love and froth around Case is well beyond what he deserves
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This is more or less how I feel. And yea there is allot on fan boy Keenum stuff going on for sure.

michaelm said:
What does Keenum have to do to convince you he's the guy going forward?

Out of the three QBs on our roster, he basically only needs to NOT be Schaub or Yates.
Looks like he's got that covered, so I'm convinced that he's the guy going forward (out of our current three).
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lol, is this a serious post?

Carr Bombed said:
To be fair to Case, I think if Kubiak didn't bring him in, he still would've got a invite to someone else's camp. Just because he was undrafted doesn't mean he wouldn't of got a opportunity in the NFL somewhere else if Houston didn't bring him in, so Kubiak is more like the first coach to give him a chance.

He's maximized his opportunity and went from basically just a camp arm, to earning his way onto the practice squad, to then earning a roster spot. He was given a chance here, but he's earned everything else that's happened since and the fact that we're even talking about him possibly starting at some point this season is quite a achievement for a UDFA QB. Just to get to this point he's already beaten incredible odds.. hopefully he keeps beating them.
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Wait, you guys have gone on and on about how Gary is too loyal, and in the good ol' boy network, then you say Case earned his spot? Can't have it both ways. He is only here because he is the hometown boy just like Kubiak, and it does not mean he would have gotten a chance anywhere else either. Just more hope and wishful thinking I suspect.

For me he needs to Exceed expectations, and not these "We can't hold him accountable for this ir that type expectations. Some of you are portraying this kid as the next coming of Drew Brees so he would need to live up to that kind of play in my mind. Make the magic happen game in and game out and I am on board.
 
Nitrofish said:
Why can't you hold him responsible for those things? Why does he get a pass? If you hold Schaub responsible for those things, you hold Keenum responsible for them too.



This is more or less how I feel. And yea there is allot on fan boy Keenum stuff going on for sure.



lol, is this a serious post?



Wait, you guys have gone on and on about how Gary is too loyal, and in the good ol' boy network, then you say Case earned his spot? Can't have it both ways. He is only here because he is the hometown boy just like Kubiak, and it does not mean he would have gotten a chance anywhere else either. Just more hope and wishful thinking I suspect.

For me he needs to Exceed expectations, and not these "We can't hold him accountable for this ir that type expectations. Some of you are portraying this kid as the next coming of Drew Brees so he would need to live up to that kind of play in my mind. Make the magic happen game in and game out and I am on board.
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If this asinine assertion about hometown boy was valid then Vince young would be playing here since he WAS a far more accomplished QB.


The only expectations I have of keenum is to not the lousy eff up QB Schaub has become. Asking him to not be as bad as Schaub is not exactly shooting for the stars.
 
Nitrofish said:
Some of you are portraying this kid as the next coming of Drew Brees so he would need to live up to that kind of play in my mind. Make the magic happen game in and game out and I am on board.
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yeah right, which keenum fan has said he's the next drew brees?

look at schaub's play the last 4 games, and Tj Yates, if Keenum can do better than that and put the fight against the best D in football, Im hopeful of the kid's future.
 
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