Kubiak sticking with Schaub - still named starter

[2slik4u]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/houstons-kubiak-sticking-schaub-214826779--nfl.html

Mods, merge if necessary but figured it would get the most exposure if it was in its own thread.

''You want to be a part of helping him work his way through that. The only way I know how to do it is you play our way through that stuff. So that's what I'm trying to help him with and figure out and push him through it, so that our football game can push through it.''

 

[TexanExile]

GK sounds like he is preparing to take a huge dump, not mentor a 10 year vet. What is he thinking can be pushed through? We already saw what happened when the motto was "cut it loose."

No more cutting loose, no more pushing one through. That approach should have totally died at halftime last week. The best thing for Schaub is to sit down, grab a clipboard and headset, and watch at least until after the bye week. Clear his head from the public storms and get off the "X" in the media. Meanwhile his teammates get a glimmer of hope...possibly even a spark, but really anything but the sense of oh-crap-here-he-goes-again they must be feeling now.

By then we would have a little more info on who else, if anyone, can play QB in 2013 for this team. But if Schaub and GK keep pushing and cutting loose, we're done.

 

[Hottoddie]

WOW! If Kubiak starts Schaub this week, I'm going to jump on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon for the first time. Maybe he can find a way to boost his confidence, but there isn't much he can do about the noodle arm Schaub has.

It's my opinion that had Yates or Keenum been the one throwing that first pass last week, it would not have been a pick 6. Since the defender would've been out of position to make the tackle, AJ would've taken that pass for a nice gain. Matt doesn't have any velocity on his throws & both TJ & Keenum can zip it in there.

After throwing picks in 7 straight games, it's time for a change!!!

 

[MightyTExan]

Schaub starting = Kubiak doesn't want to win games.

 

[2slik4u]

GK sounds like he is preparing to take a huge dump, not mentor a 10 year vet. What is he thinking can be pushed through? We already saw what happened when the motto was "cut it loose."

No more cutting loose, no more pushing one through. That approach should have totally died at halftime last week. The best thing for Schaub is to sit down, grab a clipboard and headset, and watch at least until after the bye week. Clear his head from the public storms and get off the "X" in the media. Meanwhile his teammates get a glimmer of hope...possibly even a spark, but really anything but the sense of oh-crap-here-he-goes-again they must be feeling now.

By then we would have a little more info on who else, if anyone, can play QB in 2013 for this team. But if Schaub and GK keep pushing and cutting loose, we're done.

This would be my preferred method of attacking this second quarter of the season personally. You nailed it.

 

[Hottoddie]

WOW! If Kubiak starts Schaub this week, I'm going to jump on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon for the first time. Maybe he can find a way to boost his confidence, but there isn't much he can do about the noodle arm Schaub has.

It's my opinion that had Yates or Keenum been the one throwing that first pass last week, it would not have been a pick 6. Since the defender would've been out of position to make the tackle, AJ would've taken that pass for a nice gain. Matt doesn't have any velocity on his throws & both TJ & Keenum can zip it in there.

After throwing picks in 7 straight games, it's time for a change!!!

Correction: 8 straight non-preseason games.

 

[Thorn]

More proof Kubiak is a complete numbskull. As if we didn't know that already.

We need a Jesus facepalm icon for the Texans to show exactly what kind of shape this team is in. LOL

 

[Say Watt]

Unbelievable. Or at least it would be unbelievable if it wasn't Kubiak. This guy just becomes more and more of a joke every single day. The guy has zero clue about how to hold a team accountable for their actions and if it IS all on him as he loves to say, then the joker should have been fired 4 years ago. Yes Kubiak, it is all on you.

 

[amazing80]

I think this is out of context. He said this before or in the same interview he claimed he is evaluating all positions including qb to see who gives us our best chance to win.

 

[gwallaia]

Schaub is going to have to deal with an angry crowd at Reliant. He is going to be rattled and probably make a mistake early on. Hopefully he overcomes the crowd hostility and has a great performance but given the circumstances, I don't think that will happen.

I expect to see Yates and maybe Keenum on the field Sunday.

 

[CretorFrigg]

:kubepalm:

How many other QBs in the NFL gets this many opportunities? 90% of the loss against the 49ers was on Schaub.

 

[TheIronDuke]

Did anyone think Kubes wouldn't start Schaub? He will start Schaub barring injury until the end of time.

I remember back when the knock on Schaub was he was too fragile, now the dude is like an iron man out there. I guess he proved people wrong that he's fragile. He sucks, but he's not fragile.

 

[TexanSam]

Schaub starting = Kubiak doesn't want to win games.

Starting Yates or Keenum means he's thrown in the towel for the season. I'm not a fan of Schaub, but he's more likely to play well than either of them. Playing an okay backup or an undrafted QB is a recipe for disaster. Schaub might continue to play like crap, but I'll take the chance that he'll get out of his funk and at least get back to average. If he continues to stink it up, then we'll see Yates or Keenum anyway.

 

[HTown2ATX]

Did anyone think Kubes wouldn't start Schaub? He will start Schaub barring injury until the end of time.

Yup. And I bet if Ole Uncle Bob hadn't finally given Kubes an ultimatum Frank Bush would still be DC. I'm a loyal guy and place a lot of value on loyalty. That said, he is loyal to a fault.

Also, Kubiak saying he'll "evaluate" the situation means exactly 0. That was just coach speak.

 

[HTown2ATX]

Starting Yates or Keenum means he's thrown in the towel for the season. I'm not a fan of Schaub, but he's more likely to play well than either of them. Playing an okay backup or an undrafted QB is a recipe for disaster. Schaub might continue to play like crap, but I'll take the chance that he'll get out of his funk and at least get back to average. If he continues to stink it up, then we'll see Yates or Keenum anyway.

Based on what you have seen going back to LAST SEASON.....what makes you think this is just a funk?

From what I have seen there is no harm in putting in Yates or Keenum. I guarantee they won't throw 4 pick 6's in 4 games in a row and probably won't throw picks in what, the last 8 or 9 non preseason games going into last season?

Schaub's lucky it was only 1 pick 6 last game. There was another of the 3 picks he threw that should have been another pick 6 had the defender not had to juggle it to catch it.

 

[Hervoyel]

:kubepalm:

How many other QBs in the NFL gets this many opportunities? 90% of the loss against the 49ers was on Schaub.

And 100% of the loss to the Seahawks the week before was on Schaub.

 

[DX-TEX]

Um.....16 hours ago. This was before Pancakes went on PFT. I made a comment on these quotes in that thread.

 

[legacy_gt]

Starting Yates or Keenum means he's thrown in the towel for the season. I'm not a fan of Schaub, but he's more likely to play well than either of them. Playing an okay backup or an undrafted QB is a recipe for disaster. Schaub might continue to play like crap, but I'll take the chance that he'll get out of his funk and at least get back to average. If he continues to stink it up, then we'll see Yates or Keenum anyway.

not necessarily. we didn't throw the towel in 2001. yates is better than his 2011 debut. he beat the bengals back then. so if a better yates today plays smart football then it gives us a better chance to win....much better chance than schaub at this point. if anything, I'd like for yates to play and give MS a break.

 

[VTexan]

i am hanging on to the belief that kubiak is saying schaub is the starter so that the rams prepare for schaub and not keenum.

 

[Thorn]

i am hanging on to the belief that kubiak is saying schaub is the starter so that the rams prepare for schaub and not keenum.

Do you really believe that Kubiak is either that smart or sneaky?

 

[VTexan]

Do you really believe that Kubiak is either that smart or sneaky?

come on man, let me dream

 

[TexanSam]

Based on what you have seen going back to LAST SEASON.....what makes you think this is just a funk?

From what I have seen there is no harm in putting in Yates or Keenum. I guarantee they won't throw 4 pick 6's in 4 games in a row and probably won't throw picks in what, the last 8 or 9 non preseason games going into last season?

Schaub's lucky it was only 1 pick 6 last game. There was another of the 3 picks he threw that should have been another pick 6 had the defender not had to juggle it to catch it.

Because based on his previous play Schaub has shown that he is better than this. I'm not a fan of Schaub, but he's not this terrible. Chances are if you put Yates or Keenum in, they aren't going to light the world on fire. Considering they're backups, they probably won't even be good. I think there's a better chance of Schaub improving and at least being marginally good as opposed to either of those guys don't much of anything. Like I said, if Schaub continues to regress though then it's a moot point since Yates and/or Keenum will see time.

 

[Texecutioner]

And people actually had the audacity to argue that Kubiak would start Wilson or Kaepernick if they were on this team? Lol! Succers are born every minute and some just dwell in denial of certain realities. Kubiak has not changed since season one here. Same stubborn coach that never adapts to any new situation depending on the current team. He will always be stuck in his little vacuum style of coaching without being able to adjust. Sad that people still try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[msbbc833]

Based on what you have seen going back to LAST SEASON.....what makes you think this is just a funk?

From what I have seen there is no harm in putting in Yates or Keenum. I guarantee they won't throw 4 pick 6's in 4 games in a row and probably won't throw picks in what, the last 8 or 9 non preseason games going into last season?

Schaub's lucky it was only 1 pick 6 last game. There was another of the 3 picks he threw that should have been another pick 6 had the defender not had to juggle it to catch it.

Agreed. This is not a funk. This dates back to the last regular season game against the Colts, then the playoffs Bengals and Patriots and now 5 games this season, all with atleast 1 interception thrown. 8 GAME STREAK. This is not a funk

 

[kingtexan]

Kubiak is preparing to take the HC job at A&M when the current HC goes to USC.

 

[DX-TEX]

Because based on his previous play Schaub has shown that he is better than this. I'm not a fan of Schaub, but he's not this terrible. Chances are if you put Yates or Keenum in, they aren't going to light the world on fire. Considering they're backups, they probably won't even be good. I think there's a better chance of Schaub improving and at least being marginally good as opposed to either of those guys don't much of anything. Like I said, if Schaub continues to regress though then it's a moot point since Yates and/or Keenum will see time.

I applaud your optimism, I was the same way until this past Sunday. I still believe his arm went dead at the end of last season and now his mind is gone because he felt he could make up for it but he just cant.

 

[The1ApplePie]

What did you really expect Kubes to say?

"Well, yeah Matt is pretty goddamn terrible, but we paid him a lot of money and we are joined at the hip. And have you seen our backup quarterbacks? They are like a **** sandwich, with no bread, and extra ****. Seriously, what the **** were we thinking?"

 

[ThaJokaa]

He said Schuab is his QB, but he's gonna evaluate and see who gives him the best chance at winning. So he kinda left the door open for a QB change

 

[Texecutioner]

And people actually had the audacity to argue that Kubiak would start Wilson or Kaepernick if they were on this team? Lol! Succers are born every minute and some just dwell in denial of certain realities. Kubiak has not changed since season one here. Same stubborn coach that never adapts to any new situation depending on the current team.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Why didn't we keep All Pro returner Trindon Holliday after what, five games last year? He goes on to the Broncos and they haven't lost a regular-season game since. And he is looking like the best returner in NFL history. But Matt Schaub can have five bad games and he's still the starter, no problem. No accountability when it comes to #8. No need to even consider signing Peyton Manning a few off-seasons ago either. We have our great QB already.

 

[jaayteetx]

He said Schuab is his QB, but he's gonna evaluate and see who gives him the best chance at winning. So he kinda left the door open for a QB change

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[tedr]

Kubiak has about 6-7 years invested in Schaub. It is difficult to give that up. Deep down, I think he knows Schaub is done- physically and mentally- but he can't bring himself to make a change. He's incredibly loyal to Schaub, but he needs to look at the bigger picture: his loyalty needs to be to the organization which has allowed him to stay the head coach for 8 years while winning a grand total of 2 playoff games. He doesn't need to continue to be loyal to the player whose mistakes, if he is allowed to continue, will endanger Kubiak's employment.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

He said Schuab is his QB, but he's gonna evaluate and see who gives him the best chance at winning. So he kinda left the door open for a QB change

For some reason I'm thinking of that Austin Powers scene when Dr. Evil has his pinky over his mouth and says, "Rigghhhhttttttttt." LOL

 

[CretorFrigg]

This is the one time I'd be cool with McNair outright stating he'd prefer if Case Keenum started.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Kubiak has about 6-7 years invested in Schaub. It is difficult to give that up. Deep down, I think he knows Schaub is done- physically and mentally- but he can't bring himself to make a change. He's incredibly loyal to Schaub, but he needs to look at the bigger picture: his loyalty needs to be to the organization which has allowed him to stay the head coach for 8 years while winning a grand total of 2 playoff games. He doesn't need to continue to be loyal to the player whose mistakes, if he is allowed to continue, will endanger Kubiak's employment.

Gary Kubiak and Marvin Lewis: Probably the only two head coaches in the NFL that have 100 % job security. They don't have to win in the playoffs. Heck, Marvin Lewis has done worse the past few years than Kubiak losing to the Texans in the wild-card game. But neither head coach will be fired.

 

[Vinny]

He said Schuab is his QB, but he's gonna evaluate and see who gives him the best chance at winning. So he kinda left the door open for a QB change

we're 4-7 in our last 11 games....sooooooo I guess he wasn't "evaluating" enough till now.

 

[bOODRO87]

Did anyone know that Gary named his sons Klint, Klay, and Klein?

Yep, that's our Head Coach. What a creative mind.

 

[HTown2ATX]

Because based on his previous play Schaub has shown that he is better than this. I'm not a fan of Schaub, but he's not this terrible. Chances are if you put Yates or Keenum in, they aren't going to light the world on fire. Considering they're backups, they probably won't even be good. I think there's a better chance of Schaub improving and at least being marginally good as opposed to either of those guys don't much of anything. Like I said, if Schaub continues to regress though then it's a moot point since Yates and/or Keenum will see time.

I see the angle you're coming from and not assuming you're a Schaub fan and it would be ok if you were but it seems your main point (if I am reading it right) is that because Yates and Keenum are back ups they won't be good.

Schaub was a back up until Kubiak somehow decided he was "the 1" and we brought him over. There have also been other back ups who have gone on to be fine QB's so I can't look at it in that way.

I'm not saying Yates or Keenum will light the league on fire, but if they can keep their underwear clean and actually NOT $hit their pants I take that as a marked improvement. At this point Schaub does NOT give the Texans the best chance to win IMO. There is no one better to bring in at this point from the outside and frankly no one in the draft class this year has me touching myself so.....why not give Yates or Keenum a shot (preferably Keenum IMO which I laid out why in the In support of Case thread).

 

[Uncle Rico]

And 100% of the loss to the Seahawks the week before was on Schaub.

Yea ok and 15 yard penalties in the final moments against Sharpton and Jackson didn't play into it right? Good grief get a grip.

Only thing I like about playing Yates or Keenum is that they can make a play on the interceptions they will throw.

 

[HTown2ATX]

He said Schuab is his QB, but he's gonna evaluate and see who gives him the best chance at winning. So he kinda left the door open for a QB change

I hope you're right but we all know Kubiak.....wayyyyyyyyyy to stubborn and or loyal. Until I see it, I have to believe this was coach speak to appease the crowd.

 

[CretorFrigg]

Yea ok and 15 yard penalties in the final moments against Sharpton and Jackson didn't play into it right? Good grief get a grip.

Only thing I like about playing Yates or Keenum is that they can make a play on the interceptions they will throw.

Give me a break, dude. The worst thing a QB can do is throw a pick 6. Matt Schaub holds the NFL record for doing that 4 games in a row. I seriously doubt either Yates or Keenum will break that record.

 

[amazing80]

Yea ok and 15 yard penalties in the final moments against Sharpton and Jackson didn't play into it right? Good grief get a grip.

Only thing I like about playing Yates or Keenum is that they can make a play on the interceptions they will throw.

Those only happened because schaub blew it first. Its deflating to see your qb screw it up weekly.

 

[HTown2ATX]

Yea ok and 15 yard penalties in the final moments against Sharpton and Jackson didn't play into it right? Good grief get a grip.

Only thing I like about playing Yates or Keenum is that they can make a play on the interceptions they will throw.

Problem is none of that happens if Schaub doesn't $hit his panties.

 

[Hervoyel]

Give me a break, dude. The worst thing a QB can do is throw a pick 6. Matt Schaub holds the NFL record for doing that 4 games in a row. I seriously doubt either Yates or Keenum will break that record.

Those only happened because schaub blew it first. Its deflating to see your qb screw it up weekly.

Problem is none of that happens if Schaub doesn't $hit his panties.

Yeah! What they said!

 

[Uncle Rico]

It's ignorant to blame one person for losses in football.

I get it Schaub is stinking it up and he's the scapegoat, but when you go over the film with a fine toothed comb you can see how much this team is flawed and how many variables lead to a loss.

If we are packing it in then send out Keenum or Yates I'm fine with starting over, but don't expect them to be a football messiah who will lead these guys to the promised land.

 

[tedr]

Yea ok and 15 yard penalties in the final moments against Sharpton and Jackson didn't play into it right? Good grief get a grip.

Only thing I like about playing Yates or Keenum is that they can make a play on the interceptions they will throw.

Seeing as how the defense only gave up 10 points on legitimate drives in regulation against the Seahawks, blaming the defense at all for the loss is ridiculous.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Problem is none of that happens if Schaub doesn't $hit his panties.

How do you know the defense holds? They were getting burned the entire second half! The INT tied the game, it didn't lose it. Poor defensive plays and mental errors lost the game.

 

[Vinny]

Seeing as how the defense only gave up 10 points on legitimate drives in regulation against the Seahawks, blaming the defense at all for the loss is ridiculous.

Texans defense #1 in tha NFL, allowing a paltry 260.2 ypg. Jets are 2nd way back at 299 ypg

 

[Uncle Rico]

For the record I'm neither a Schaub apologist nor a Yates/Keenum advocate. I'm just surprised at the emotional response to what I felt was pretty common sense football information. But its cool to let your emotions speak for you on a chat forum, what do you really have to lose? Reputation? LOL!

 

[Uncle Rico]

Texans defense #1 in tha NFL, allowing a paltry 260.2 ypg. Jets are 2nd way back at 299 ypg

How good is this defense on 3rd/4th downs? Stats don't tell the full story. How many points has the defense scored? They suck against the run. I'm not giving them a free pass because the stats won't cloud what I see on the field.