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revan
Waterboy
When he got intercepted he had four rushing and seven in coverege. I know he had a bad game and of course I 100% agree that special teams, aside from Lechler is horrible. But this is a 4000 yard passer, give him time to throw and we will get far. Look how bad it went for Rodgers with no run game.
On 2 of those three plays, any somewhat mobile QB like Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees would've shifted the pocket or at least had a more productive results. I'm still not certain of whether Schaub or Kubiak is more at fault. Is Kubiak completely shackling Schaub or does Schaub just suck that bad at reading a defense. I kinda lean towards Kubiak being more at fault until I watch video of Schaub.The OL
Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
A 4000 yard passer doesn't hold the same enamor as it once used to.
Rodgers did not cost his team the game vs Cinci. An untimely fumble did (which Rodgers was no part of)
Schaub had plenty of time yesterday. He gets the happy feet and panics.
kingtexan
All Pro
Maybe after the last two games, its your sig ...
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
You're not breaking news here.. We are aware of the OL, but a good QB (which Schaub is paid to be) can overcome/mask a lot of that (which he has not).
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Honestly this team has issues up and down the board. I just think this laid back demeanor the organization has is ridiculous. No fire from anyone except maybe Cushing and Watt. Hopefully this will be kubiak's last ride.
I pointed out that the O Line IS doing its job. Schaub is just so damned slow it looks like they aren't. Again, look at the clocks and see how long his line keeps the defenders off him.
I'm also saying you seem to be making excuses for golden boy instead of seeing it for what it is.
revan
Waterboy
LMAO ok buddy, next time I make one I will be sure to ask you for permission on what you like.
And he's done it for years with no running game. Of course, his only SB title came when he did have a running game.
There were times in that game that Flacco's OL didn't perform any better for him. In fact, their first two or three possessions Flacco looked exactly like that.
I saw two problems.
There were actually a few other things. Flacco's barking out the snap count picked up 15 yards from off sides calls. The only time I can think of Schaub trying to do that is on 4th & 1 when everyone knows we're not "really" going to go for it. I remember Luck using that in Indy.... totally screwing with the heads of our pass rushers.
Sense of urgency. As well as our defense played, there was a time there late in the third, or early in the 4th, we could not get the Ravens off the field. 3 & outs are great to start the game, but if it's important for the offense to recognize when they need to score, there's got to be a time when the Defense recognizes they need to get off the field & get it done. That didn't happen.
Same thing on offense. We spent 5 minutes dinking & dunking down the field & punted.... what's up with that? We had already given up.
I saw two problems.
- Big Plays
Not only did they intercept Schaub, they returned it for a TD. Shortly after, they returned a punt for a TD. Our defense was doing it's thing & was holding Flacco & Caldwell in check. Our defense can't stop them from scoring points if they aren't on the field.
- Taking chances
After a few futile attempts to move the ball, the Ravens understood they need to stop settling for what the defense gave them, & take what they wanted. They didn't connect on most of them, but they threw the ball downfield, keeping the defense honest. They got lucky & got a PI call on Kj that was total bunk... but they moved the ball.
There were actually a few other things. Flacco's barking out the snap count picked up 15 yards from off sides calls. The only time I can think of Schaub trying to do that is on 4th & 1 when everyone knows we're not "really" going to go for it. I remember Luck using that in Indy.... totally screwing with the heads of our pass rushers.
Sense of urgency. As well as our defense played, there was a time there late in the third, or early in the 4th, we could not get the Ravens off the field. 3 & outs are great to start the game, but if it's important for the offense to recognize when they need to score, there's got to be a time when the Defense recognizes they need to get off the field & get it done. That didn't happen.
Same thing on offense. We spent 5 minutes dinking & dunking down the field & punted.... what's up with that? We had already given up.
I kinda lean towards Schaub's inadequacies shackling Kubiak .... Kubiak has shown the ability to get receiver's open while Schaub hasn't shown he can move , throw a dart or hit a guy accurately deep .... even Kevin Walter had to hit the brakes and wait on balls from the noodle armed statue.
So you agree that more athletic QB play could lead to better offensive performances? Didn't Yates and Keenum both prove to be more athletic, just as athletic and have a good grasp of the offensive system? What's the big damn deal?
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
Schaub has only been sacked 7 times through 3 games. That is only 2.35 per game, which is acceptable by NFL standards.
And lets be real here.. It's not like Schaub is avoiding sacks & deflating his sack total.
The problem is Schaub's confidence. He has a 39.5 QBR through 3 games, and his accuracy has been suspect.
We are witnessing a continuation of his struggles from late last season.
I thought Kubiak would install some new wrinkles this off season to help him out, but apparently not.
And one of those showed to be deadly accurate deep.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
You mean Yates who threw 4 accurate interceptions to the Ravens two seasons ago?
I don't quite remember seeing Case throw any deep balls yet in the NFL.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
The OL
Even Brady or the all mighty Rodgers couldnt get a pass off with this kind of protection. Rush 4 drop 7....... daaaaaaam.
Schaub didn't have a good game yesterday... but the OL (namely pass pro) hasn't looked as good in years past.
Schaub has shortcomings, he's not perfect nor close to "elite"... so the team needs to help him out, by giving him a clean pocket.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Well the real problem are the fans.........
After 3 games, admittedly well not played by the Texans, they are 2-1! I wonder how Ravens fans felt after getting spanked by 30 here, last year before going on to win the SB last year...
Overreaction is the new NFL!!!
Yes, he means that Yates. That would seem an improvement ove the accurate Schaub who has thrown 2 pick sixes in the 3 games this season. Why not give Yates the benefit of the doubt, based on his offseason performance, that he isn't the same wide-eyed rookie that he was two years ago? Do you think he's been in stasis since? You don't think he's been studying and learning the playbook? You think trading up to get some rookie QB next year will cure all our woes? Maybe I should change all of those "thinks" to "feels" because all of those thinks show a serious lack of thinking and a whole bunch of feeling. Any rational fan would want to see the vastly more experienced Yates come in rather than some rookie. Texan fans experienced that from 2002-2006.
Let's get real. This is what Keenum did against the cowboys starting defense.
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...-to-Jean/ef9d5b14-2a63-4c2e-bb66-8d21fbde2246
That's a 50 yard in the air pass from midfield 34 yard line (34.5 really) to five yards deep in the end zone with pinpoint accuracy. He connected twice like this with Jean. That's natural talent that has nothing to do with what defense he's facing.
Sure, they worked on their timing a lot. He did with Martin too then apparently because they were just as on. And AJ is hurt so we need a receiver to step up. His fakes were great, and when he faced pressure he had some wheels on it.
I've really been feeling like we all watched different games during the preseason or something, or just didn't pay attention because Schaub is your man.
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...-to-Jean/ef9d5b14-2a63-4c2e-bb66-8d21fbde2246
That's a 50 yard in the air pass from midfield 34 yard line (34.5 really) to five yards deep in the end zone with pinpoint accuracy. He connected twice like this with Jean. That's natural talent that has nothing to do with what defense he's facing.
Sure, they worked on their timing a lot. He did with Martin too then apparently because they were just as on. And AJ is hurt so we need a receiver to step up. His fakes were great, and when he faced pressure he had some wheels on it.
I've really been feeling like we all watched different games during the preseason or something, or just didn't pay attention because Schaub is your man.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
34 + 5 = 39 yards... not 50. And that is not the starting Dallas defense.
I like Case, I'm extremely happy with him as our 3rd string. Is he ready to the be thrown to the wolves and start over Schaub? I don't know, in fact, i highly doubt it. I don't watch them practice, so I can't truly say. But I do remember alot of the press mention during training camp sessions how Schaub is so far ahead of Yates and Keenum.
So if you were head coach of the Texans, you'd honestly start Case next Sunday?
kingtexan
All Pro
Without hesitation ...
Me too.
Let's let Pythagoras help you
A^2 + B^2 = C^2
(25.665 x 25.665) + (39.5 x 39.5) = 47.1 yards in the air.
(25.665 x 25.665) + (39 x 39) = 46.6 yards in the air.
Math is good!
dream_team
Hall of Fame
What has Schaub shown you that says he's ready to be thrown to the wolves? You never know how any QB is going to react to a regular season game until they play one. A bad game loss by Yates or Keenum wouldn't be any worse than the loss we had against the Ravens.
kingtexan
All Pro
The only numbers that mean anything are the ones on the scoreboard when the last second has run off ...
Pulling numbers out of your ass ain't exactly math. That makes you a global warmist climatologist. In other words, an idiot.
Not directed at you, kingtexan.
This is the press kissing up to Kubiak for the good interviews. They have no vested interest as the news in who wins. They want the good interviews because they want us to watch them even if we can't bear to watch the game.
Schaub finished preseason with a 63.5 rating and has gotten worse since. Keenum lead (or was he second?) the nfl with a 106.7. I know he ranked higher than any current starter.
We need a quarterback and we need a receiver. Case is hot with Lestar Jean. Tah-dah. Not that hard.
revan
Waterboy
Like I said and my point in this thread, I'd rather see the OLine fixed first. If Bryan freaken Hoyer can look good behind the awesome OL in Cleveland I'm sure Schaub will excel the same way. I would love to see Keenum play over Yates, but the last thing we want to do us pull another David Carr and throw this kid to the wolves with this line.
We've got 3 OTs on the roster. Brown (toe), Newton (knee), Harris
We drafted Brennan Williams in the third as insurance in case Newton couldn't get back to his pre injury form. We also drafted David Quesenberry for future development.
Brennan started having knee issues of his own pretty early in the offseason. There was probably some misdiagnosis going on, but the end result is that his knee never got right... we put him on IR.
Q was showing some promise, could play tackle, but I think they thought he would be closer to seeing the field at tackle. He took most of his snaps at tackle. He broke his foot in practice less than a week before opening day. We put him on IR.
They tried to load the roster with people who might be an upgrade at OT, it just didn't work out for us. They didn't bring in a vet, because they had Harris. They weren't going to bring anyone in better than Harris because we don't have the money for it & we don't know how good Harris is. He was a bright spot on Denver's OL before he had injuries of his own..... back I think. He was fairly healthy last season, I think he's 100% this year. Brown's our LT & they want Newton to be our RT, so I don't know that Harris can't play.
He's not a franchise LT, I'm sure he won't play like one. But if Newton continues to struggle I wouldn't be surprised if they slide him over to the right side when Duane comes back.
That sounds like something I would say.
DHop has shown he's a very capable #2 and can take over a game if AJ is out. The Texans are only lacking talent at QB and OL on the offensive side of the ball. And only part of the OL. A better QB could mask the lack of talent on the OL easier than the reciprocal.
Pulling numbers out of your ass ain't exactly math. That makes you a global warmist climatologist. In other words, an idiot.
Not directed at you, kingtexan.
Seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem
That's basic math. Keenum threw the ball from the center of the field on the 34.5 yard line to one yard away from the sideline and 5 yards deep in the end zone. That's a distance of 39.5 yards. The field is 53.33 yards wide. Half of that is 26.665, subtract a yard off that for how far away from the line Jean was and you get 25.665
Use the above link and do that. The ball flew 47.1 yards in the air with pinpoint accuracy. He made the same connection to Jean twice already. That's natural talent. Being able to throw that perfect that far, puts touchdowns on the board.
Keenum took 2 seconds to get that play off. Our offensive line gave protection to Schaub in the videos you posted as examples of horrible O Line for a full 3 seconds. What's the issue?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Meh!.. ............. 2-1 Equals .667.
With a win against Seattle, 3-1, or a .750 winning percentage! I can live with that!
With a win against Seattle, 3-1, or a .750 winning percentage! I can live with that!
I think we all could.
I never said Pythagorean's theorem was BS. I said you pulling passing numbers out of your ass is.
Let's not forget that Jean has shown a trend of dropping passes and getting holding penalties. And let's also not forget that AJ, DHop, Martin, OD and Graham have shown themselves to be very reliable. Martin is the weak link among those, but is still pretty reliable. Keenum showed famiarity with all of those but AJ and OD. They didn't play much at all in PS.
I also highly doubt that Kubiak benches one of those guys just because Keenum started a game. You don't bench starter quality players for bench players just because a bench player is starting.
When they're thrown behind him and in the dirt, yep. There's been a lot of dropped passes. Accuracy counts. He has had a couple of penalties, but he's produced far more than he's been penalized.
I guess you got this opinion from Wiki, too. Jean has done OK but he's way more inconsistent than the other WR's.
A few million dollars .... They have to admit that the contract they handed Schaub early last season was a mistake.
