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(Audio) Emmett: ‘Astrodome Will Be Torn Down Or Renovated By Super Bowl’

michaelm

michaelm

vox nihili
tear it down and just plant a giant forest in its place


yes a giant greenery in the middle of a parking lot :kitten:
 
He's basically just saying that its eventual fate will be demolition. No way are they going to spend the tens of millions required to get the place up to code, much less whatever amount it would take to fancy it up for a Super Bowl.

I like Norg's idea of a park, but with the added feature of a giant Earl statue in the middle of it.
 
“The Super Bowl was awarded based on a bid that had nothing to do with the Astrodome,” Emmett said.

Houston Super Bowl Bid Committee Chair Ric Campo said when pressed he would say Houston had a Super Bowl in 2004 with the Astrodome standing and it won’t be a problem again.

“Something needs to happen with it and they believe fundamentally that the process the county is going through right now is a reasonable, rational process or they wouldn’t give us the Super Bowl,” Campo said. “They were not connected. It was a positive event having this plan going forward.”

Emmett said the county has set a deadline of June 10 for private entities to offer financially sound ideas for the use of the dome. After that, public entities will have until June 25. He said it was likely a bond election would follow that gave voters the option between whatever option they decided was best and demolishing the Astrodome.

Emmett said he expects it to be resolved before the 2017 Super Bowl.
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Why do I have the feeling that after whatever all is said and done with the Astrodome before the SuperBowl, we Harris County residents and Texans fans will have to fight for our pockets not to be picked?.........again......under the guise of the SuperBowl..........
 
Tear it down and replace it with green space. Maybe include a small museum or something that includes a history of the dome and it's greatest moments.
 
TexanSam said:
Tear it down and replace it with green space. Maybe include a small museum or something that includes a history of the dome and it's greatest moments.
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HA green space dont equal no dollars. There aint one thing happening on Kirby that aint about the real green. Sorry but I say more parking spaces:kingkong:
 
pissknocker said:
HA green space dont equal no dollars. There aint one thing happening on Kirby that aint about the real green. Sorry but I say more parking spaces:kingkong:
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No, definitely a higher money generator needed.........maybe a family-oriented strip joint...........a (modified) Chuck E Cheezy............kid game areas in the perimeter areas and "adult activities" in the inner backrooms. :kitten:
 
I want the Dome to stay, not only for it's historical relevance. But also because I dont want BoB to get his way. He has done eveything in his power to make sure the Dome is not a viable entity and he wants it to be torn down.

It's worth $200 a day to make BoB the carpetbagger not be able to force his will upon the taxpayers in Houston.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I want the Dome to stay, not only for it's historical relevance. But also because I dont want BoB to get his way. He has done eveything in his power to make sure the Dome is not a viable entity and he wants it to be torn down.

It's worth $200 a day to make BoB the carpetbagger not be able to force is will upon the taxpayers in Houston.
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If bob was smart he'd find some way to turn it into something profitable that involved the texans...
 
I say it all the time and the fact that I don't have several hundred million dollars laying around doesn't make it less true. You are talking about a building that covers over 9 acres of land with 2.5 million cubic feet of refrigerated air in a city where summers are filled with 100+ degree days.

If the people of Harris County can't collectively find something to do with that then they're too stupid and too unimaginative to deserve to keep it. I could walk into Ed Emmett's office today with a plan that would not only make money but would turn Reliant Park into a place that would draw events like the Super Bowl to it regularly and not just every 13 years or so IF someone else drops the ball.

The fact that I can't pay for it just gets in the way.

Parking garage underneath, massive climate controlled green space above wrapped in a hotel along the 610 side of the building that is fed traffic by a set of elevated entrance/exit roads running across the parking lot (providing shade for tailgaters in the process) and filled with events all summer long when the Texans and Rodeo use the place least.

The way to use the dome is obvious. The way to pay for it is the problem.
 
Hervoyel said:
The way to pay for it is the problem.
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Actually, the way to pay for it isn't even the problem. It's who they want to pay for it. Bob McNair and his buddies could come up with the scratch to make that happen, but they won't because they know that in the end they can bilk the tax payers for it. All they have to do is hold out long enough, let the Dome because enough of an eyesore, let enough articles out that talk about how it's filled with rats, and let people forget that we're still paying off the bonds from Bud's renovation. The tax payers will eventually cave and they know it.
 
ok if not green space just indulge in adult things I guess that's what people want rite


tear the dome down and put a new building there

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Texans Showcase hall
Bar again
Tv's LOL
 
Norg said:
ok if not green space just indulge in adult things I guess that's what people want rite


tear the dome down and put a new building there

Bar
Texans Showcase hall
Bar again
Tv's LOL
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Should be cheaper to put a new building inside the shell of what is already there.
 
Sounds like all the proposals and ideas have been unfunded.

Unless a private proposal that includes private funding is made by June 10, then the county commissioners will likely put to the public a 'shell' / meeting space idea, and IIRC it had a $100,000,000.00 price tag.

If that is voted down by the public they will move forward with demolition.

It was interesting, he said by law they cannot present A, B, C and D for a vote, they have to make a decision and that is what the public votes on.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Sounds like all the proposals and ideas have been unfunded.

Unless a private proposal that includes private funding is made by June 10, then the county commissioners will likely put to the public a 'shell' / meeting space idea, and IIRC it had a $100,000,000.00 price tag.

If that is voted down by the public they will move forward with demolition.

It was interesting, he said by law they cannot present A, B, C and D for a vote, they have to make a decision and that is what the public votes on.
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I do believe a new cost analysis was presented not too long ago and it was much lower
 
It's real easy for someone who doesn't have the money to tell someone who has money where to go spend it.

You come up with all these ideas on what to do with the dome, yet don't back up the ideas with any money.

And what's even worse, you want people who have the money to spend it on your little idea, not giving one rip whether or not it might actually have a chance of turning a profit. And then get pissed off because the people who have the money don't wish to throw their money down a rat hole? Perfect.

All because of some silly sentimentalism over some unused, obsolete sports stadium.
 
Everyone interested in the difficulties involved in the determination of the fate of the Astrodome needs to read this article published back in April 2012.



The expected price tag to demolish the Reliant Astrodome that Harris County officials have cited in recent years far exceeds the cost of razing other stadiums across the country, including domes of comparable size.

Officials with the Harris County Sports and Convention Corp. are preparing to release a study next month comparing the cost of knocking down the Dome with the price of renovating it in several forms.

Willie Loston, executive director of the Sports Corp., said the estimated cost of demolition is lower than that produced by a similar study two years ago, but declined to say the new number before members of Commissioners Court are informed.

The 2010 study estimated the cost of demolition at $78 million, including $10 million for asbestos removal and $10 million to put a “plaza” on the site after demolition. That does not include the $29.9 million the county still owes on the building, which has sat empty since the city deemed it unfit for occupancy in 2009, and has not been home to a team for more than a decade.

The priciest stadium demolition a Houston Chronicle examination found was $22 million for New York’s Yankee Stadium, which was completed in 2010.

Indianapolis’ RCA Dome cost $13 million to raze in 2008.

The Seattle Kingdome was imploded in 2000 for about $10 million, as was Giants Stadium in New Jersey, which was razed in 2010.

All had seating capacities similar to or larger than the Astrodome.

Edgardo Colon, board chairman for the Sports Corp., said several factors would drive up the cost of a Dome demolition, including its proximity to Reliant Stadium and its 30-foot-deep concrete substructure.

Loston added that the water table is high at the site, and said engineers have told him no building constructed like the Astrodome has been imploded.

“This is not your basic metro-dome implosion or anything like that, where there’s only parking lot that’s surrounding the stadium,” Colon said. “It’s a much more complicated endeavor.”

Demolition experts said the county’s estimate sounds high. Issues such as the substructure and proximity to other buildings, they said, are common with many demolition jobs.

Cincinnati’s Cinergy Field and Pittsburgh’s Three Rivers Stadium were blown up within feet of the new parks that replaced them, for example.

“Wow,” said Mike Taylor, executive director of the National Association of Demolition Contractors, when told of the estimate. “I should go back in the business if they’re going to give me $78 million to bring that down. I know my boots are somewhere.”

Mike Dokell, demolition division manager for Houston-based Cherry Demolition, and Jim Redyke, of Tulsa-based Dykon Explosive Demolition Corp., agreed.

“I think their estimate includes a lot of contingencies and a lot of worst-case scenarios and when they go out for bid they’ll be pleasantly surprised,” Dokell said. “The 78 (million) number includes a lot of things a demo guy is typically not going to include.”

The demolition experts said the only factor that would greatly drive up the cost of razing the Dome would be if the county chose to pull all of the concrete out of the ground to make it easier to build on the site in the future, as opposed to simply filling it with dirt and creating a plaza or parking lot.
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REST OF THE STORY
 
2012Champs said:
this one came in at 29 million

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2013/03/20/texans-hlsr-study-says-astrodome.html
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That's interesting. I spoke to one of the persons involved in the demolition process last year, and they said that $10 million for the abatement alone was very questionably low ball, and if the Dome base were then simply "filled in" and covered over with asphalt/concrete, it could not likely safely serve as base later for any substantial new future structure.....with a "dig out deconstruction" much more expensive than if it is done at the time that the asphalt/cement parking lot is laid.

Sounds much like a "pay me now or pay me later."
 
Marcus said:
It's real easy for someone who doesn't have the money to tell someone who has money where to go spend it.
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Exactly, take note, McNair/Emmett/NFL.

You come up with all these ideas on what to do with the dome, yet don't back up the ideas with any money.
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Exactly! It's all about what the tax payers can do for them.

And what's even worse, you want people who have the money to spend it on your little idea, not giving one rip whether or not it might actually have a chance of turning a profit.
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And if it does turn a profit, they get to keep it all instead of it returning to the investors (tax payers).

And then get pissed off because the people who have the money don't wish to throw their money down a rat hole? Perfect.
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Pissed? I don't know if they're pissed, but they sure do bring it up as a problem a lot. Whiners. Just because he has to watch it rot every day.

Oh wait ... you weren't going for that angle, were you? ;)
 
eriadoc said:
Exactly, take note, McNair/Emmett/NFL.



Exactly! It's all about what the tax payers can do for them.



And if it does turn a profit, they get to keep it all instead of it returning to the investors (tax payers).



Pissed? I don't know if they're pissed, but they sure do bring it up as a problem a lot. Whiners. Just because he has to watch it rot every day.

Oh wait ... you weren't going for that angle, were you? ;)[/QUOTE}

MSR

It's good to see you understand what's going on in Texan land. BoB, watch it rot.

Maybe Marcus will get it? Probably not.
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steelbtexan said:
Maybe Marcus will get it? Probably not.
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What I "get" is that you've hated "BoB" since effin Day One, as if he molested your daughter in Reliant's bathroom or something. That, I get, and have gotten a long time. It's a wonder why you have anything to do with the team at all, you're so f'king jaded.
 
just hire a bunch of workers from mexico with some sledge hammers and drills and a couple of cases of C4 and TNT feed them and pay them and there get the job done :kitten: that wont cost 30 Million maybe half dat price like 8.8 million
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No, definitely a higher money generator needed.........maybe a family-oriented strip joint...........a (modified) Chuck E Cheezy............kid game areas in the perimeter areas and "adult activities" in the inner backrooms. :kitten:
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Jean!!:mcnugget:
I'm honestly taken aback.

The image I had for you is now... :pop:

You need to stay away from TB and DreadHead. They are corrupting you man.
:kitten:
 
ObsiWan said:
Jean!!:mcnugget:
I'm honestly taken aback.

The image I had for you is now... :pop:

You need to stay away from TB and DreadHead. They are corrupting you man.
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Sam!!!

I'm extremely concerned over your acute state of deteriorating mental state. You must call my office on Monday for a thorough examination. It is concerning to me that you have begun to suffer from severely distorted and diminished interpretive skills.:)

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Sam!!!

I'm extremely concerned over your acute state of deteriorating mental state. You must call my office on Monday for a thorough examination. It is concerning to me that you have begun to suffer from severely distorted and diminished interpretive skills.:)

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Hey!!
I thought doctor/patient privledge prohibited you from posting my picture and telling all about my "sessions"
:foottap:
 
Marcus said:
What I "get" is that you've hated "BoB" since effin Day One, as if he molested your daughter in Reliant's bathroom or something. That, I get, and have gotten a long time. It's a wonder why you have anything to do with the team at all, you're so f'king jaded.
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If you mean jaded as in I dont like my tax $$$$ going to billionaires so that they can build lavish playpens and then have the hudzpah to ask for these same taxpayers to pay for tearing down the only worlwide drawing card this city has ever had and also was the major contributor to the Dome becoming the run down piece of crap it is today. Just so BoB's taxpayer subsidized playpen can get a few more $$$$ out of the parking concessions, you are correct sir.

However I'm able to separate my dislike for BoB the businessman from BoB the owner of the Texans. I just dont care for the BoB fanboys who think BoB started the Texans as some kind of Salvation Army project because he wanted to right the wrong that Bud (Another fraud) perputrated on this city. BoB bought the Texans and has profited handsomely from that decision. Despite having put a marginal product, with questionable leadership at best for the better part of a decade.

Do you think BoB has done everything in his power to put the best product possible on the field at all times. If you do that's where we differ. But this difference doesn't make either one of us less of a Texans fan. I just happen to think BoB is in this for a different reason than you do.

BTW, do a little reasearch on BoB, Enron and how BoB made the $$$ to purchase the Texans. You will quickly find out that BoB greatly profited off of others misery in the Enron debacle. But no, BoB really cares about the city of Houston and its future.

PS, I noticed you didn't respond to Eridoc's post. I would like to know your thoughts.
 
A one time junior architect that worked on the plans of the Dome and now a very well respected local architect for a national firm told me nearly 10 years ago, abatement of asbestos alone would be nearly $30 million BEFORE implosion and excavation.

I've posted these $ numbers several times. And YES, sorry Honorable Judge Ed Emmett, the price tag of $80 mill. is not that far off.
 
Texan_Bill said:
A one time junior architect that worked on the plans of the Dome and now a very well respected local architect for a national firm told me nearly 10 years ago, abatement of asbestos alone would be nearly $30 million BEFORE implosion and excavation.

I've posted these $ numbers several times. And YES, sorry Honorable Judge Ed Emmett, the price tag of $80 mill. is not that far off.
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Is spending 80 mil worth a SB to you?
 
infantrycak said:
It is city property. Why is it you think the city shouldn't be the one to deal with it in some fashion (other than your epic hatred of all things connected with McNair)?
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Not hatred,

I just dont think taxpayer $$$ should be spent to tear it down. So that BoB can profit. Especially when bonds are still being held on the property. Are you for paying more tax $$$$ so that BoB can have a bigger parking lot?

In short, BoB has the county by the short hairs and he knows this. The county/private enterprise cant renovate the Dome without BoB's/HLSR's approval. (Not gonna happen)

So if the County is smart they will let BoB look at it rot every day. (Doubtful)

Why does getting a SB seem to be contingent on tearing down the Dome? This wasn't a problem with the previous SB. Could it be that County comissioners/BoB/HSLR are using the SB as an excuse to do what they've wanted to do all along? (Tear down the Dome) Leverage?

What is not true about my statements in regards to BoB's business practices? I'm suprised more people aren't appalled about how BoB conducts his business. (Souless) I guess that BoB bringing football back to Houston trumps all. Regardless of all of the damage done to all of the poor Enron souls. Maybe this makes me an idealist, (Not a hater) but I just have a little more compassion for those that lost their life savings than most on this MB. Of course I realize that this is a Texans MB and my opinion will be in the minority.

I've got no problem taking an unpopular stance when I know people who have suffered thru the Enron debacle.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not hatred,

I just dont think taxpayer $$$ should be spent to tear it down. So that BoB can profit. Especially when bonds are still being held on the property. Are you for paying more tax $$$$ so that BoB can have a bigger parking lot?

In short, BoB has the county by the short hairs and he knows this. The county/private enterprise cant renovate the Dome without BoB's/HLSR's approval. (Not gonna happen)

So if the County is smart they will let BoB look at it rot every day. (Doubtful)

Why does getting a SB seem to be contingent on tearing down the Dome? This wasn't a problem with the previous SB. Could it be that County comissioners/BoB/HSLR are using the SB as an excuse to do what they've wanted to do all along? (Tear down the Dome)
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Yes hatred and it has been clear from your posts for years. Try having any sense of objectivity at all.

The SB was not contingent hence us getting another one without a plan for the Astrodome - end of argument on that point.

Why do you blame McNair instead of HLSR?

Please explain how the county benefits by paying $1.5 mil per year for nothing.

You don't like McNair and you are pissed off about past decisions having nothing to do with how to resolve the current situation.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes hatred and it has been clear from your posts for years. Try having any sense of objectivity at all.

{Quote///} Really, LOL lets get past the hatred thingy. I dont like spending taxpayer $$$$ on sporting complexes.

The SB was not contingent hence us getting another one without a plan for the Astrodome - end of argument on that point.

{Quote///} And you konw this how? BoB must have told you. LOL

Why do you blame McNair instead of HLSR? {Quote////} I blame both of them

Please explain how the county benefits by paying $1.5 mil per year for nothing.

{Quote///} The county was able to pay down the debt on the bonds and I believe if the Dome had torn down the abilty to pay the bond debt off would have been compromised. If BoB/HLSR had allowed the Dome to be renovated into something that would have created profits then then the bonds would've already been paid off. Now all we have is an eye sore.

You don't like McNair and you are pissed off about past decisions having nothing to do with how to resolve the current situation.
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There are many things I dont care for about how BoB does business. This Is just another example. My main problem with Bob is 1. I dont believe he dies everything possible to put the best peoduct on the field as possible. 2. His association with the with he Enron debacle.

Sorry to get off this thread topic. Lets try to stay on the Astrodome topic. You konw what they say, never play pool with a hustler and never argue with a lawyer. LOL
 
steelbtexan said:
There are many things I dont care for about how BoB does business. This Is just another example. My main problem with Bob is 1. I dont believe he dies everything possible to put the best peoduct on the field as possible. 2. His association with the with he Enron debacle.

Sorry to get off this thread topic. Lets try to stay on the Astrodome topic. You konw what they say, never play pool with a hustler and never argue with a lawyer. LOL
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I'd love for you to go into detail about McNair, cogen tech and Enron and why all of which makes you so angry. If it needs another thread it could be started
 
2012Champs said:
I'd love for you to go into detail about McNair, cogen tech and Enron and why all of which makes you so angry. If it needs another thread it could be started
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I'm not angry

He sold Cogen to Enron basically for stock. Then sold said stock just before Enron went just like Lay/Fastow/Skilling did. Only somehow he got away with it. (Guessing he got an inside tip and wasn't prosecuted because he wasn't an employ.)

Anyway, he tripled his $$$$. (Just as he has with the Texans.) Meanwhile most Enron employees lost all of their retirement and had to start new careers late in their lives instead of retiring.

But maybe BoB is just an unbelieveably great businessman, with an immpecable sense of timing.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not angry

He sold Cogen to Enron basically for stock. Then sold said stock just before Enron went just like Lay/Fastow/Skilling did. Only somehow he got away with it. (Guessing he got an inside tip and wasn't prosecuted because he wasn't an employ.)

Anyway, he tripled his $$$$. (Just as he has with the Texans.) Meanwhile most Enron employees lost all of their retirement and had to start new careers late in their lives instead of retiring.

But maybe BoB is just an unbelieveably great businessman, with an immpecable sense of timing.
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I think your timing might be off


''If they had been going a slower speed, the results would not have been disastrous,'' said Bob McNair, a Houston energy entrepreneur who sold the bulk of his own company to Enron three years ago. But Enron, he said in an interview this month, was like a race car, and the markets like an unforgiving track. ''It's a lot harder to keep it on the track at 200 miles per hour,'' he said. ''You hit a bump and you're off the track.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/29/b...-way-on-chief-s-big-dream.html?pagewanted=all
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not angry

He sold Cogen to Enron basically for stock. Then sold said stock just before Enron went just like Lay/Fastow/Skilling did. Only somehow he got away with it. (Guessing he got an inside tip and wasn't prosecuted because he wasn't an employ.)

Anyway, he tripled his $$$$. (Just as he has with the Texans.) Meanwhile most Enron employees lost all of their retirement and had to start new careers late in their lives instead of retiring.

But maybe BoB is just an unbelieveably great businessman, with an immpecable sense of timing.
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That's some really hokey ass reasoning to spew bile about a person on message boards for years.
 
b0ng said:
That's some really hokey ass reasoning to spew bile about a person on message boards for years.
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Not bile, why is it when anybody disagrees with anything BoB/Texan related they are called a hater. I am just pointing out that BoB has flaws just like the rest of us. He's an opportunist. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Look my wife and I disagree on many things and I'm glad she doesn't see me as a hater. LOL

She calls me alot worse names than Hokey though. LOL
 
steelbtexan said:
Not bile, why is it when anybody disagrees with anything BoB/Texan related they are called a hater. I am just pointing out that BoB has flaws just like the rest of us. He's an opportunist. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Look my wife and I disagree on many things and I'm glad she doesn't see me as a hater. LOL

She calls me alot worse names than Hokey though. LOL
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I dont think its a simple disagreement that is in question but rather your rant anytime something comes up. That and its not all fact based either.


Did you or your wife work for Enron?
 
2012Champs said:
I dont think its a simple disagreement that is in question but rather your rant anytime something comes up. That and its not all fact based either.


Did you or your wife work for Enron?
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No

And did BoB profiteer off of Enron, while others lost their shirts? I just have compassion for the peons when it comes to the Enron fiasco. My grandfather taught math to the guy who created the Forney perpetual loop, that created the California blackouts.

Are you saying for sure there was no insider trading, although it seemed to be the order of the day at Enron?

I dont see discussing this topic as a rant. I'm just saying anybody that had upper level access isn't lily white as BoB appears to be. But to each his own.
 
steelbtexan said:
No.
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I would have guessed otherwise given your hate for Bob and looping him in with Enron's collapse

steelbtexan said:
And did BoB profiteer off of Enron, while others lost their shirts? I just have compassion for the peons when it comes to the Enron fiasco. My grandfather taught math to the guy who created the Forney perpetual loop, that created the California blackouts.
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What I do know if that Bob founded Cogen Tech and sold most of the company and its assets to the California Public Employee Retirement System and Enron. Did Bob make money? I am sure he did and why shouldnt he? The guy built a company, took risks and multiple parties wanted to buy it from him. This has nothing to do with Peons other than you tying emotion into your hate for Bob. Bob didnt make money at the sametime others lost their shirts, your timing/memory is off

steelbtexan said:
Are you saying for sure there was no insider trading, although it seemed to be the order of the day at Enron?
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I cant speak either way to say if there was or wasnt anything illegal when this transaction went through and you cant either. I will tell you though to me it is a lot less likely that someone would dump everything they own in a stock years before it went bankrupt. More likely Bob was willing to take the stock as payment but didnt think the company was run well and got out.




steelbtexan said:
I dont see discussing this topic as a rant. I'm just saying anybody that had upper level access isn't lily white as BoB appears to be. But to each his own.
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The rant would be the slow addition of every negative mention whenever you get the chance even if it doesnt fit.
 
steelbtexan said:
No

And did BoB profiteer off of Enron, while others lost their shirts? I just have compassion for the peons when it comes to the Enron fiasco. My grandfather taught math to the guy who created the Forney perpetual loop, that created the California blackouts.

Are you saying for sure there was no insider trading, although it seemed to be the order of the day at Enron?

I dont see discussing this topic as a rant. I'm just saying anybody that had upper level access isn't lily white as BoB appears to be. But to each his own.
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Anytime you post something which has the word "BoB" in it, which is ALL the time, you're on a rant . . . again. You wouldn't know what 'being objective' was if jumped up and bit you in the ass.

Regarding eriadoc, he doesn't want tax dollars spent on tearing it down. That's fine. But the taxpayers are already pouring 1.5 million down a black hole for the annual maintenance and upkeep. When is that going to end? By just letting it sit there and rotting? I don't think so.
 
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