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Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
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BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.
It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
As a Dallas fan that grew up in Ft. Worth, I can see this a little but I also see the other side of things too. Houston fans pride themselves on being "classy" and being here and seeing ya'll towards your team, I agree somewhat. But I wouldn't call Houston fans..the city.. in general that way. Living there and hearing the constant Cowboy hate talk on the radio, even when the Texans were a subject really turned me off. I've even seen the best Texans fans admit the city suffers from a little brother syndrome that has made people for years just obsess with Cowboy talk. I always tell people it goes both ways. You get bad Cowboy fans because you taunt the lion in the cage by constantly discussing Cowboy hate and fans. Chicken or the egg. Overall when I first moved to Houston in 1993, I didn't get that as much from Oiler fan and I was an Oiler fan as a secondary team. I'm going GP and babbling here...
..but my point is there are bad fans in every lot. BUT I do get where you are coming from somewhat because 90% of the people I know who root for the Cowboys grew up with or around me in the DFW area.Here is an example of trash fans hating...Soldier/Cowboy Fan who lost legs in Afghanistan taunted at bar after Panther game
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...taurant-cruel-taunts-rival-football-fans.html
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Oh, they're just jealous 'cause we won a playoff game.
Seriously though, only bad Cowboys fans I've actually heard are the ones on the radio and other media. The media tends attract bad fans of all teams.
Getting away from the media, the bad fans are usually the band-wagoners for whatever team won the last SB or that they started the season off thinking would. The Saints come to mind, although a lot of their bandwagoners are probably jumping ship right now.
Seriously though, only bad Cowboys fans I've actually heard are the ones on the radio and other media. The media tends attract bad fans of all teams.
Getting away from the media, the bad fans are usually the band-wagoners for whatever team won the last SB or that they started the season off thinking would. The Saints come to mind, although a lot of their bandwagoners are probably jumping ship right now.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
If they wanted to mimic the Texans then it would start at the top. Bob McNair is patient (probably too patient). Jerry Jones is not. But there's something to be said that by the end of this football season, the Texans will probably have more playoffs win in the last 15 years than the Cowboys will.
Now we're the "good example" ..... we used to be the "bad example" for so long.
True, but it's too late for the Cowboys. What made last year's "next man up" thing work so well was the work that Kubiak did 6 years ago, starting with arranging a face to face between McNair & Rick Smith.
This team is deep & looks like they're always looking at the future. We've had a couple of Duds, but we've hit far more studs over that time.
Next man up, that's the way this team was built.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.
If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.
http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
What sucks about Cowboys fans, if you go to a game and sit in the high dollar seats, is they sit on their hands. Both the old & new stadium experience is quiet. You leave Reliant with your ears ringing.
As far as class, those fans far outclass the owner. Jerruh don't fit in Highland Park.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
As a Dallas fan that grew up in Ft. Worth, I can see this a little but I also see the other side of things too. Houston fans pride themselves on being "classy" and being here and seeing ya'll towards your team, I agree somewhat. But I wouldn't call Houston fans..the city.. in general that way. Living there and hearing the constant Cowboy hate talk on the radio, even when the Texans were a subject really turned me off. I've even seen the best Texans fans admit the city suffers from a little brother syndrome that has made people for years just obsess with Cowboy talk. I always tell people it goes both ways. You get bad Cowboy fans because you taunt the lion in the cage by constantly discussing Cowboy hate and fans. Chicken or the egg. Overall when I first moved to Houston in 1993, I didn't get that as much from Oiler fan and I was an Oiler fan as a secondary team. I'm going GP and babbling here...
Here is an example of trash fans hating...Soldier/Cowboy Fan who lost legs in Afghanistan taunted at bar after Panther game
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...taurant-cruel-taunts-rival-football-fans.html
The Cowboys are a lightning rod like other nationally popular teams (Lakers, Yankees) because they attract a lot of bandwagon fans. So that explains some of the hate for the Cowboys in Houston. You'll find the same sentiment in most other cities, but maybe not to the same extent. I lived in both Houston and Dallas for extended periods of time, Dallas being the most recent one, and I kind of agree with both of you. I think Cowboys fans from the Metroplex ARE different than those who have no Dallas ties. A lot of my friends are Cowboys fans, and they actually ask me about the Texans from time to time. I also think some Texans fans are a little too jumpy about the Cowboys and think there is some rivalry between the teams, when there really isn't.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Patience or not, Jerry's biggst problem is his ego. As an owner he is one of the best in the NFL and as a GM he is in he bottom 5; and there is the problem. You can no longer seperate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Jerry wants to look like he knows something about football, but he doesn't. At least not to the degree of an NFL GM. If he really wanted to do his team good, he'd hire a real GM and just watch the games from his box. Then other problems would work themselves out eventually.
Discussing things like "Is Romo good enought?", "Is Garrett a good HC, or just a good OC?", "Who's to blame for the clock management issues, Romo or Garrett?" to me is pointless without talking about Jerry. It all starts at the top, with him.
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
Not freaking possible....I was at Relaint for "Tailgate Gate" and they were as rude and obnoxious as advertised despite their team being 0-2 at the time and on the road to worst season in 15 years. We all saw the brawls in stands and out in lot....they freaking changed our tailgate policy. Cowboy fans are worst fans in all of sports (worldwide)
The ones in the SA area are the worst...complete d-bags..and the worst part is is that they are in the media. (Don Harris..Mike Taylor..David Chancellor..etc) Until recently they wouldnt acknowledge that there was Texans fans here...that is until the watch parties were shown on TV and covered in newspaper. Now they begrudgingly talk about the Texans (IN EVERY SPORTSCAST)....IMO the Cowboy fans can suck it go watch the history channel if you like talking about the past. Its time for us to end the Blue Star Plague.This town and this state are turning Battle Red!!!
(ps guys check out our fanclub on FB Houston Texans Fan Club of San Antonio...we have almost 900 likes/members. If you have family in SA or live there)
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Mantra for the 2012 cowboys -
Next man up to the glory hole. I bet that tshirt would a hot seller in the dfw.
Next man up to the glory hole. I bet that tshirt would a hot seller in the dfw.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
COWBOYS STADIUM
Dang, Jerry, you lied. You said you and your boys wouldn't pull out!
houstonspartan
All Pro
Cowboys fans are some of the most obnoxious human beings I've ever met. Though, Saints fans are a close second (HATE Saints fans).
Regarding Vickers' point: He's forgetting that the 2011 Texans had depth at almost every position, allowing us to adjust; we also had a head coach that had been here for a while, and they have Richie Cunningham still learning to ride his bike.
No way can the 2012 Cowboys become the 2011 Texans.
Regarding Vickers' point: He's forgetting that the 2011 Texans had depth at almost every position, allowing us to adjust; we also had a head coach that had been here for a while, and they have Richie Cunningham still learning to ride his bike.
No way can the 2012 Cowboys become the 2011 Texans.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
houstonspartan
All Pro
Thanks for the find and for posting the link.
That's some of the dumbest s--t I've ever heard. He's essentially saying: I'm my own boss, so, that allows for more risk-taking, and that risk-taking will eventually pan out.
That makes no sense for several reasons.
1) Checks-and-balances. Everyone needs someone else to stop them from making dumb mistakes (i.e. when he traded a first rounder to Detroit a few years ago for, I believe, Roy Williams).
2) Jerry is too emotional to be GM. GM's needs to be somewhat logical and detached. That's how smart one's stop themselves from making dumb mistakes.
3) His "risk taking" hasn't paid off yet. Obviously, it's time to try another approach, yes?
4) Most GM's have a strong background in scouting. That allows them to see a player's potential more clearly. If Jerry had a REAL GM, the Cowboys would be looking ahead to their quarterbacking future. A real GM would have drafted a decent quarterback a couple of years ago with the idea towards developing him for the future.
If Jerry had any common sense, he'd realize that a GM could be brought in, and be allowed to be the "bad guy", shielding Jerry from backlash when tough decisions need to be made. For example: At SOME POINT, the Cowboys are going to have to deal with the truth about Tony Romo. Hiring a GM to come in and dump Romo would allow Jerry to save face with Romo and with fans. But, because he's too close to the situation, he can't see it clearly.
What a tool.
majestrate
Rookie
I don't think the Cowgirls are trying to mimic the Texans. Vickers was trying to show some leadership on the team and give his guys inspiration, showing that he's seen the backups come in and perform at the level the team needed when the starter went down.
You know the old "jokes" where the stuffy-shirt, pretentious white guys are all rubbing elbows and one says to the other, "hey, I'm friends with a black guy", or, to be more up to date, how some straight guys say "gays aren't so bad, I have a few friends that are gay"? That's how we sound when we're talking about Cowgirl fans, at least that's how it sounds to me. Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing it out. Personally, when Hugo Weaver's character, Agent Smith, was "classifying the human species" in The Matrix, I think he was talking about Cowgirl fans
(and I do have a couple of friends that are Cowgirl fans)
You know the old "jokes" where the stuffy-shirt, pretentious white guys are all rubbing elbows and one says to the other, "hey, I'm friends with a black guy", or, to be more up to date, how some straight guys say "gays aren't so bad, I have a few friends that are gay"? That's how we sound when we're talking about Cowgirl fans, at least that's how it sounds to me. Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing it out. Personally, when Hugo Weaver's character, Agent Smith, was "classifying the human species" in The Matrix, I think he was talking about Cowgirl fans
(and I do have a couple of friends that are Cowgirl fans)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Like I said a while back, the Dallas Cowboys are Jerry Jones playing the Billionaire's version of Madden. He can do anything he wants. He can put together the most hair-brained trades he can think of -- the same hair-brained trades that fans get ridiculed for suggesting -- and there's no real accountability.
Until he fires himself, he's only going to put a good, consistent team on the field by sheer luck. He's going to have a team packed with great talent that most people don't want and he's going to ignore positions of need because they aren't sexy. His coach is not going to be in control of the locker room because all a player has to do is get in good with the GM to over-ride him.
And I've got no problem with that. Have a blast, Jerry.
Until he fires himself, he's only going to put a good, consistent team on the field by sheer luck. He's going to have a team packed with great talent that most people don't want and he's going to ignore positions of need because they aren't sexy. His coach is not going to be in control of the locker room because all a player has to do is get in good with the GM to over-ride him.
And I've got no problem with that. Have a blast, Jerry.
I don't think Jerry has a problem getting talent. He's got & has had a talented team, he's had talented coaches.
His biggest problem is that he's a circus, therefore his organization is a circus. He's more focused on the brand & lately, the brand has been more important than winning.
& the Cowboy brand is as big now as it ever was, so as a businessman, he's not doing a bad job. But, he needs to put the business aside & be a GM. If he focuses on football, he'll be successful.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Jerry has a talented fantasy football team. He arguably has talent at skill positions but he disregards less glorious positions in the trenches. You build your team from inside out, not outside in. If you don't, you end up with the Cowboys, a team that can show flashes of brilliance, because they do have talented players, but also a team that can fall flat on its face because it is not fundamentally sound.
I agree that the Cowboy brand is as big as any, and if it does take a hit because of Jerry's incompetence as a GM, it will rebound as soon as the team shows new signs of improvement if a real GM is ever hired or if Jerry dies. I disagree that he needs to be the GM. He needs to stick with the business and hire a real GM. He WILL NOT be successful focusing on football... IMHO...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Jerruh to Fiddler: Thank you, Fiddler. I'm already pursuing Rex as HC. I've given him strict instructions to leave the NY circus behind........except for Tebow who should be a great inspiration for Tony to find G-d and the EZ.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Interesting given I'm neither corporate nor Prima Donna. The mix could be surprising.
Perhaps the most revealing example of the mentality of the Cowboys' fans I've seen in recent years was the morning after the Saints won the SB and I was looking at various websites of national newspapers about the Saints victory.
And if you recall the whole thing with NOLA and Katrina back then, it made the Saints SB win more than a sports story, rather it transcended sports and was a social story about what the game meant to the city of NOLA and the surrounding area.
Anyway all of the national newspapers were running stories about what the victory meant to a beleaguered city until I got to to the Dallas Morning News website which took the Saints story and used it as a segway into how the Cowboys could turn their franchise around. In other words it was always about their team, the Cowboys who to themselves were still the center of the NFL universe even just hours after the great Saints victory which lifted a whole area still struggling to recover from a monumental natural disaster and for which the whole nation (except for one place) shared the joy of the victory with the city of NOLA and its fans.
And if you recall the whole thing with NOLA and Katrina back then, it made the Saints SB win more than a sports story, rather it transcended sports and was a social story about what the game meant to the city of NOLA and the surrounding area.
Anyway all of the national newspapers were running stories about what the victory meant to a beleaguered city until I got to to the Dallas Morning News website which took the Saints story and used it as a segway into how the Cowboys could turn their franchise around. In other words it was always about their team, the Cowboys who to themselves were still the center of the NFL universe even just hours after the great Saints victory which lifted a whole area still struggling to recover from a monumental natural disaster and for which the whole nation (except for one place) shared the joy of the victory with the city of NOLA and its fans.