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Trindon Holliday is an accident waiting to happen

TexansFanatic

TexansFanatic

Extremist
His upside does not supersede his downside.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

I hate to think of another playoff game lost thanks to a guy who forces you to hold your breath every time he's on the field.
 
He's no JJ Moses. Holliday can take it to the house...but the decision skills and hands worry me.

Not a fan, not a hater. Just concerned, as you are.
 
TexansFanatic said:
His upside does not supersede his downside.

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

I hate to think of another playoff game lost thanks to a guy who forces you to hold your breath every time he's on the field.
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I think we are overly nervous because of the Jacoby Jones debacle we have lived thru the past 4 years.

I am always nervous on punt returns. Pisses me off that I am that way.
 
He's not going anywhere unless he starts giving the ball away. He hasn't done that as of yet. I still sense some nerves there though. I've been disappointed with our return blocking units as well. Way too many penalties today on returns.
 
gtexan02 said:
He had one muff today, but the second one hit off Quinn's helmet. Not Holliday's fault
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The return man is supposed to make a hand signal and back away from the area if he's not going to catch the ball. Quin and the other gunner were blocking out because they thought he was in position to make a return. They can't see the ball coming from their POV, so they have to rely on the returnman to make the call. It is completely on Holliday to call them off on short punts.
 
Dutchrudder said:
The return man is supposed to make a hand signal and back away from the area if he's not going to catch the ball. Quin and the other gunner were blocking out because they thought he was in position to make a return. They can't see the ball coming from their POV, so they have to rely on the returnman to make the call. It is completely on Holliday to call them off on short punts.
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I may be wrong, but I thought Holliday motioned for the fair catch and then had to get out of the way because Quinn got too close to him
 
Dutchrudder said:
The return man is supposed to make a hand signal and back away from the area if he's not going to catch the ball. Quin and the other gunner were blocking out because they thought he was in position to make a return. They can't see the ball coming from their POV, so they have to rely on the returnman to make the call. It is completely on Holliday to call them off on short punts.
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He's supposed to yell Peter and then they're supposed to tail off...... but it wasn't a short punt and Trindon was trying to go catch the ball which he should of done. It really was just a freak play. He's definitely learning of the job and it hasn't cost us yet. I pray it stays that way.
 
gtexan02 said:
I may be wrong, but I thought Holliday motioned for the fair catch and then had to get out of the way because Quinn got too close to him
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It looked to me like GQ was telling Trindon he needs to speak up like he couldn't hear him. Trindon has to be loud and clear to get out of the way.
 
Texn4life said:
He's supposed to yell Peter and then they're supposed to tail off...... but it wasn't a short punt and Trindon was trying to go catch the ball which he should of done. It really was just a freak play. He's definitely learning of the job and it hasn't cost us yet. I pray it stays that way.
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you're not giving enough credit to the punter. anger outkicked the return, and hit it at an angle. neither quinn nor holliday expected the ball to hit anywhere close to where it did, and certainly not with the velocity that it had.
 
bo orlando said:
you're not giving enough credit to the punter. anger outkicked the return, and hit it at an angle. neither quinn nor holliday expected the ball to hit anywhere close to where it did, and certainly not with the velocity that it had.
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I said it was a freak play. Their punter was awesome today. You normally see that kind of play of shorter punts. That wasn't really a short punt.
 
Today before his first return, he was skipping back to the goal. He reminded me more of Jacoby than Jacoby. I think there are some similarities. I just hope turning the ball over isn't one of them. He seems to call for a fair catch more often than Jacoby did which makes me feel a bit better.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
What's the problem with holliday? I like his potential. He's not jacoby. Let it go.
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He had 2 muffed punts, but both of those were debatable. The first one happened right after it had started raining in the 2Q. Normally he should catch that, but since it was raining, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

The second one wasn't even his fault. The ball hit Glover Quinn's helmet. I

I liked what I saw out of him, I think he will run a couple back soon. Just be patient.
 
Lol the punter was +25 yards either way 40 yard punt of a 60+ yard punt, running, tracking, and catching a ball over your shoulder while raining. I'll give him a pass, the other one was a bit miscommunication it happens, all he has to do is run one or two back and teams will start to focus on punting away from him.
 
Seriously? OK y'all want a return every time or a knee down every time. It is special teams, it is suppose to make the game exciting. He did his part wtf else do you want?
 
IMO there are two types of return men. One who secures ball and position. He is a "safe"; minimal risk, minimal gain. The other is a Holliday type, one that hesitates almost too long in the end zone searching for a weakness in the blanket coming at him. A risk taker who if successful, causes the fan base to go volcano, erupting in hot screams, cheers and "can you believe what he just did?" and high fives. I lean towards the latter but with some common sense thrown in.

Trindon will mature into the role as this is his truly freshman season. His role is magnified because bottom line, he decides what to do once ball is in air rather like a QB audibling out of a coaches call. Coaching and experience will get him to where he needs to be. All eyes are on him each time he is on field and no other position can say that. Even kickers and punters have fans watching the blockers.
 
He needs to have a good game in Denver - like almost returning one for a TD or getting a TD good. Or he will be in danger of getting released before the 6th week IMHO. which with his bad performances he won't be scooped up as quickly as we have feared after a awesome preseason performance. Just goes to show you preseason is just that - preseason.

Also, if the Holliday can't shake his nerves in the regular season how is he going to do it in the playoffs? Makes me have flashbacks of Jacoby in the Ravens game. The guy needs to step it up by the next two games
 
TexansBull said:
He needs to have a good game in Denver - like almost returning one for a TD or getting a TD good. Or he will be in danger of getting released before the 6th week IMHO. which with his bad performances he won't be scooped up as quickly as we have feared after a awesome preseason performance. Just goes to show you preseason is just that - preseason.

Also, if the Holliday can't shake his nerves in the regular season how is he going to do it in the playoffs? Makes me have flashbacks of Jacoby in the Ravens game. The guy needs to step it up by the next two games
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he was fine today, do you expect a TD each and every time he touches it? Even Hester, the greatest returner of ALL TIME does not do that, be realistic man
 
amazing80 said:
he was fine today, do you expect a TD each and every time he touches it? Even Hester, the greatest returner of ALL TIME does not do that, be realistic man
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Read my post again. I said
He needs to have a good game in Denver - like almost returning one for a TD or getting a TD
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I don't where you got that I said he had to return it every game unless you didn't read my post.

The point of post is Holliday needs to have a good game or his job is becoming more in jeporady. I think anyone could agree with that.
 
I didn't like the muff today. But what was almost inexcusable was not warning Quin off when the ball was coming right down on top of him. It's Trindon's job to get Quin out of the way on that.

OTOH, he had a really nice return to set up that first TD. We needed that spark.

I had hoped we'd gotten rid of this insanity with Jacoby's departure. But I've got to give Trindon a bit more time. Hopefully he'll figure it all out. Lord knows, Coach Joe is going to give him an earful all week.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I had hoped we'd gotten rid of this insanity with Jacoby's departure. But I've got to give Trindon a bit more time. Hopefully he'll figure it all out. Lord knows, Coach Joe is going to give him an earful all week.
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That's about the way I feel about it. It's cool that we've got a guy who can take it to the house on any given return. I just don't think the potential reward is equal to the potential risk.

The dude's judgment is seriously questionable. In the first two games this season I've seen him take at least a couple of kickoffs out of the end zone from the very back of the end zone. Last week he brought one out to the 10 yard line and I screamed that he should be waived immediately. Today he brought one back to the 21, but he just barely escaped a tackle at the 10 in the process. It was a thirty yard return that netted just barely more than what would have been gained by taking a knee in the end zone.

This is Jacoby Jones crap all over again. Perhaps I worry too much, but I'm happy to see the overwhelming sentiment in this thread is with me.
 
TF your definitely not the only one. I hold my breath every time Trindon catches the ball as well but I honestly think it's a learned reflex action from when Jacoby was here and will take some time to go away. I think the best thing for Trindon right now is to keep running him out there so that he can get comfortable being out there and fielding lots of kicks/punts in practice during the week. I think the first time he costs us a game Kubiak will cut him. In the mean time lets all say a little prayer for Trindon and hope that he gets better soon.
 
As long as he doesn't fumble, I don't really mind him taking it out of the deep end-zone, because, you never know, he might bust one for a TD; but, he drops the ball upon trying to catch it way too much. So far, it hasn't resulted in turnovers, but that worries me.

He's only had one impressive return so far also (regular season), but I have to believe that he will have more.

Dude's gotta start catching the ball cleanly & consistently.
 
I think some of you worry too much, and Jacoby Jones has infected your brains.

Here we have a guy who has the speed to take it to the house every time he gets the ball, yet you want to dwell on the negative?

:toropalm:
 
On a different note, how many punt returners have not made mistakes or taken risks? That is the nature of special teams. Like another poster stated, it brings excitement to the game.

If you guys are already comparing Trindon to Jones... I do not know how to make you feel better. Jacoby was a whole different level of freakishly nerve racking. From the way he walked around before punts to his long and skinny build. LITERALLY everything about Jacoby made me nervous when he would go back for returns. :(
 
I don't know about you guys, but I don't think I've watched a punt return in my whole lid not thinking something will go wrong.
 
Save the muff, which he should've known better than to go for....I thought he had a decent day. As far as special teams go, I'm entirely more concerned with the amount of back blocking going on.
 
13 punts yesterday, 2 kickoff returns. 1 muff, 1 questionable decision (Quin head)

Code: 
Return Yards 		135 	 
Punt Returns-Yards 	6-77 	 
Punt Return TDs 	0 	 
Kick Returns-Yards 	2-58

Given the number of times he was the field, I think he had a good day.
 
TexansFanatic said:
That's about the way I feel about it. It's cool that we've got a guy who can take it to the house on any given return. I just don't think the potential reward is equal to the potential risk.

The dude's judgment is seriously questionable. In the first two games this season I've seen him take at least a couple of kickoffs out of the end zone from the very back of the end zone. Last week he brought one out to the 10 yard line and I screamed that he should be waived immediately. Today he brought one back to the 21, but he just barely escaped a tackle at the 10 in the process. It was a thirty yard return that netted just barely more than what would have been gained by taking a knee in the end zone.

This is Jacoby Jones crap all over again. Perhaps I worry too much, but I'm happy to see the overwhelming sentiment in this thread is with me.
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This. I'm not dogging Holliday at this point, but dude needs to learn how to kneel when he's catching a kickoff in the back of the endzone. Running 30 yards just to make it to the 20 is just stupid football. Sometimes the safe play is the SMART play.
 
Double Barrel said:
This. I'm not dogging Holliday at this point, but dude needs to learn how to kneel when he's catching a kickoff in the back of the endzone. Running 30 yards just to make it to the 20 is just stupid football. Sometimes the safe play is the SMART play.
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I'd be willing to bet he's under orders to run them all out. If Holliday was running them all out against Kubes wishes he wouldn't still be out there returning kicks. Kubes confidence in the O leds me to think he is willing to gamble on the home run verses the safe start at the 20. I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday starts taking a knee on kickoffs this week.
 
Ball security, Ball security, Ball security.

Those are my 3 biggest concerns with this kid. Even the safe ones that he takes in the back of the EZ, he muffs what seems like half of them. As noted, he makes questionable choices as well.

He has to get the ball and secure it better. He's got tremendous upside and I saw some glimmers of that yesterday. I think that is why Joe M and Kubes are being ultra patient with him, but all it takes is one muffed punt in the 4th qtr of tie ball game for him to potentially cost us a game.

I'm willing to ride with him another 2-4 games to see if he keep improving, but with the number of questionable decisions and muffs he makes, he has to be dynamite with his "good plays" and so far he hasn't been.

I'm still in wait and see mode, but color me concerned.
 
Errant Hothy said:
I'd be willing to bet he's under orders to run them all out. If Holliday was running them all out against Kubes wishes he wouldn't still be out there returning kicks. Kubes confidence in the O leds me to think he is willing to gamble on the home run verses the safe start at the 20. I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday starts taking a knee on kickoffs this week.
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That crossed my mind, as well. Hopefully somebody will ask Kubiak on his radio show if this is a coaching or player decision.
 
dream_team said:
I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.
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Have you watched all of his returns, both pre-season and regular? If so, you think the fumbles, muffs, poor decision making, tentativeness (especially game 1) etc is all nothing to worry about?

It's like this for me. You have a hot blonde who is a model, is great in bed, and she's wealthy too. But when you are alone, she treats you like complete crap, is ultra demanding, has an accent like Fran Drescher on steriods, and oh you just found out she is having an affair with your brother.


What's everyone so worried about? :kitten:
 
Porky said:
Have you watched all of his returns, both pre-season and regular? If so, you think the fumbles, muffs, poor decision making, tentativeness (especially game 1) etc is all nothing to worry about?

It's like this for me. You have a hot blonde who is a model, is great in bed, and she's wealthy too. But when you are alone, she treats you like complete crap, is ultra demanding, has an accent like Fran Drescher on steriods, and oh you just found out she is having an affair with your brother.


What's everyone so worried about? :kitten:
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GF #2 right?

I've watched all of his returns and I think I'm happy with him thus far in his young career. I think he's done a solid job and has been a significant upgrade over Jacoby.
 
Instead of worrying about what could happen, I'll concern my self with what has happened so far. He hasn't turned over the ball, and I haven't seen him go for negative yardage. Anytime he doesn't call for a fair catch he gets a decent chunk of yardage or more and puts us in great field position. So I like him and I think he's really gonna help our offense score some points.
 
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