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WR Roy Williams to get a tryout with Texans (UPDATE) signed Bryant Johnson

eriadoc said:
...you should have no reason to dislike the Texans giving him a shot. If he shows that he's matured and can still play, and he somehow makes the team, then the Texans are a better team.
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Highlighted the hole in your reasoning. He never could play. There is nothing to see.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think this is an EXCELLENT idea.

Wait.

Hear me out.

We bring Roy Williams in. Then during training camp, we put Roy Williams and AJ side by side. We have them run the same routes and get thrown basically the same ball. AJ will run the right route, perfectly, and catch the ball. Roy Williams will run a lazy route and drop the ball.

So then we show all our rooks and 1st year WRs this contrast to make the point that one of these is the right way to go and the other is the NOT right way to go.

Then we cut Roy Williams.

Lesson learned.
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This. It's all about making a teaching-tool film to show the puppies how it is and isn't done.
 
Being a little more serious has anyone ever not been able to catch consistently and then later in their career (assuming they managed to stick around despite not being able to catch consistently) suddenly become able to catch consistently?

Anybody? I can't think of anyone.
 
Hervoyel said:
Being a little more serious has anyone ever not been able to catch consistently and then later in their career (assuming they managed to stick around despite not being able to catch consistently) suddenly become able to catch consistently?

Anybody? I can't think of anyone.
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It's usually happened gradually over a few years and early in the receiver's career.

When Jerry Rice first came into the league, the knock on him was his hands. His first season with the Niners, iirc, he had a case of stone hands. But he worked his ass off and got better and better.

AJ didn't have the greatest concentration early in his career and he'd drop some balls here and there. He's gotten infinitely better although he did have a few strange drops this year.
 
barrett said:
Highlighted the hole in your reasoning. He never could play. There is nothing to see.
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82---1,310---16.0---60T---7

I'd take that. Hell, for a #2 or #3 WR, I'd take:

64---838---13.1---91T---5

Both of those are actual stat lines for Roy Williams, if you hadn't suspected.
 
Marcus said:
Like a couple of 1st rounders, and a premium veteran player, maybe?

Think I'll pass on that one.
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If Pittsburgh knows he is not going to play for them, do they pay him or get what they can? Yes, I would give two firsts for an all pro WR. I'd throw in Walter and Posey also.
 
Let me just jump in and say this about Bryant Johnson... I don't see him as an option for anything but a camp body unless we have some sort of disaster that I don't even want to think about.

BJ had all of last season to figure things out. Sure, he didn't have OTAs and whatnot but the guy should have been able to do SOMETHING last season. We needed someone to step up and ended up trading for Derrick Mason halfway through the season. (OK. We didn't actually trade anything for Mason, we just took him off the Jets' hands.)

If he couldn't do better than 6 catches for 90 yards last year, I don't see much point in giving him another shot. And with Doc's drop percentage numbers... yeah, no.

I'd rather give the kids a shot.
 
It's likely that there will be a few more free-agent wide receivers available as teams make their roster cutdowns at the end of August.
 
eriadoc said:
82---1,310---16.0---60T---7

I'd take that. Hell, for a #2 or #3 WR, I'd take:

64---838---13.1---91T---5

Both of those are actual stat lines for Roy Williams, if you hadn't suspected.
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More biographical info on Roy Williams:

1. unwilling blocker
2. prima donna
3. sloppy route runner
4. can't play special teams
5. drops lots of passes

Ummm.... No thanks! Having a good stat line for a year or two at WR doesn't really tell the story. What was his catch % during those seasons? In addition to drops, he has never shown the ability to separate out of breaks in the NFL... Those stats likely reflect a lot of force-feeding.
 
pec0sb0b said:
It's likely that there will be a few more free-agent wide receivers available as teams make their roster cutdowns at the end of August.
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The problem with that could be that by then, the advantage of TC and learning the system is gone.......unless you can find one already familiar with the system.
 
dalemurphy said:
1. unwilling blocker
2. prima donna
3. sloppy route runner
4. can't play special teams
5. drops lots of passes
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roy-williams-lions.jpg
 
dalemurphy said:
More biographical info on Roy Williams:

1. unwilling blocker
2. prima donna
3. sloppy route runner
4. can't play special teams
5. drops lots of passes

Ummm.... No thanks! Having a good stat line for a year or two at WR doesn't really tell the story. What was his catch % during those seasons? In addition to drops, he has never shown the ability to separate out of breaks in the NFL... Those stats likely reflect a lot of force-feeding.
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Follow the conversation back upthread and you'll see that's not what was being discussed or addressed in my posts.
 
eriadoc said:
82---1,310---16.0---60T---7

I'd take that. Hell, for a #2 or #3 WR, I'd take:

64---838---13.1---91T---5

Both of those are actual stat lines for Roy Williams, if you hadn't suspected.
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You can post his best stat years all you want, but it's a reason why he got dropped by 3 different teams all whom needed a lot of help at WR, and they still felt that he was worthless. The guy couldn't even shine on the freaking Cowboys in an offense that puts up really good offensive numbers, and got his job taken by like a 4th stringer and than by a rookie. Than he couldn't even do jack in Chicago and only lasted a season there. WR's his age don't somehow change and become quality players. Especially when they have problems with their hands, their attitude, and their work ethic. Roy is a waste to any team that picks him up. If we pick up Roy Williams, than we might as well have kept Jacoby Jones.
 
I really don't care whether they bring in Roy Williams or not during TC. I doubt he makes it out but you know.
 
Texecutioner said:
You can post his best stat years all you want, but it's a reason why he got dropped by 3 different teams all whom needed a lot of help at WR, and they still felt that he was worthless. The guy couldn't even shine on the freaking Cowboys in an offense that puts up really good offensive numbers, and got his job taken by like a 4th stringer and than by a rookie. Than he couldn't even do jack in Chicago and only lasted a season there. WR's his age don't somehow change and become quality players. Especially when they have problems with their hands, their attitude, and their work ethic. Roy is a waste to any team that picks him up. If we pick up Roy Williams, than we might as well have kept Jacoby Jones.
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Well yeah, when you put it that way. But...
 
Texecutioner said:
You can post his best stat years all you want, but it's a reason why he got dropped by 3 different teams all whom needed a lot of help at WR, and they still felt that he was worthless.
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I'll tell you the same thing I told dalemurphy, and that's track back upthread and follow the conversation of my posts. I never said Roy Williams was even a good player, or that I even wanted him. I simply said that, as long as Kubiak isn't favoring him in some way, there's no risk to bringing him in. If he doesn't make the team, so be it. If he shows that he has matured and can still play, then even better. Someone said he never could play, and I posted his stats. Whatever problems you may have with Williams, his stats clearly show that he could play at some point at some level that belonged in the NFL. I never disputed any of the things you or dalemurphy pointed out.

Not so hard to follow, right?
 
eriadoc said:
I'll tell you the same thing I told dalemurphy, and that's track back upthread and follow the conversation of my posts. I never said Roy Williams was even a good player, or that I even wanted him. I simply said that, as long as Kubiak isn't favoring him in some way, there's no risk to bringing him in. If he doesn't make the team, so be it. If he shows that he has matured and can still play, then even better. Someone said he never could play, and I posted his stats. Whatever problems you may have with Williams, his stats clearly show that he could play at some point at some level that belonged in the NFL. I never disputed any of the things you or dalemurphy pointed out.

Not so hard to follow, right?
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It's a huge risk as far as I'm concerned, because if he does make the team, than we've got a really bad WR that we'll have to count on at some point that never delivers. We just had that with Jacoby Jones already. It would be subtracting one bad problem at that position and adding another.

No, Roy was never really a good player. He was always capable of being a very good player. He had one very good season where his stats got overblown due to being the only weapon in Detroit where the ball was forced his way. One season out of like 8 or 9 doesn't make a guy someone who was a good player though. It just means he had one season where he played well. He is to old to all of a sudden change his ways and become this completely different guy. That just doesn't happen with players his age that have had as many issues as Roy has.
 
I'm glad they signed Johnson over Williams, but I'm still a little bit confused on why we wont bring Plaxico in for a tryout. The guy has openly stated he'd play for the Texans, and he'd be a fantastic redzone reciever that would at the very least take pressure away from Arian on near goal line situations.
 
TEXANS84 said:
I'm glad they signed Johnson over Williams, but I'm still a little bit confused on why we wont bring Plaxico in for a tryout. The guy has openly stated he'd play for the Texans, and he'd be a fantastic redzone reciever that would at the very least take pressure away from Arian on near goal line situations.
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I don't understand it either. It's really stupid that we don't go after Plex in my opinion either. He showed that he can still play well enough to be a decent #2 on this team and a great RZ threat.

My guess is that it's because of his past. You know that you're out of the question if you've got as much as a parking ticket as far as this franchise goes. Bob only wants Boyscouts.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't understand it either. It's really stupid that we don't go after Plex in my opinion either. He showed that he can still play well enough to be a decent #2 on this team and a great RZ threat.

My guess is that it's because of his past. You know that you're out of the question if you've got as much as a parking ticket as far as this franchise goes. Bob only wants Boyscouts.
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I would agree but they talked to him before last season. Im starting to think he wants more money tahn what anyone is offering. Someone should have called him but nope.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't understand it either. It's really stupid that we don't go after Plex in my opinion either. He showed that he can still play well enough to be a decent #2 on this team and a great RZ threat.

My guess is that it's because of his past. You know that you're out of the question if you've got as much as a parking ticket as far as this franchise goes. Bob only wants Boyscouts.
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I agree to an extent Tex though I see times a changin' a little at least. Posey is one example. Most all were taken aback with that choice. The FO vetted him to the extreme and drafted him. Bryan Braman is another example. They took a chance on him after his shroom gig. Granted it was at the urging of a former coach and to this point it seems like a solid move.

That said these player's bad choices pale in comparison to Plax's shooting himself but to me he seems to be a changed man and IMHO he sure is a much better RZ target than Bryant Johnson. BJ did snag one TD pass in the RZ but Plax had, what, nine? (going off memory, correct me if I'm wrong). His actions tell me that he *might* have matured somewhat. I think he can really help the team. I doubt we'll see him in a Texans uni but I'd not ***** if he was. I really do think he could be an asset.

As others have stated in different threads we'll have to hide-N-watch what shakes out when camp cuts start happening.

On a Pollyanna note there's an outside chance that the rooks kick ass in TC.

How cool would that be? Fingers crossed.
 
drs23 said:
I agree to an extent Tex though I see times a changin' a little at least. Posey is one example. Most all were taken aback with that choice. The FO vetted him to the extreme and drafted him. Bryan Braman is another example. They took a chance on him after his shroom gig. Granted it was at the urging of a former coach and to this point it seems like a solid move.

That said these player's bad choices pale in comparison to Plax's shooting himself but to me he seems to be a changed man and IMHO he sure is a much better RZ target than Bryant Johnson. BJ did snag one TD pass in the RZ but Plax had, what, nine? (going off memory, correct me if I'm wrong). His actions tell me that he *might* have matured somewhat. I think he can really help the team. I doubt we'll see him in a Texans uni but I'd not ***** if he was. I really do think he could be an asset.

As others have stated in different threads we'll have to hide-N-watch what shakes out when camp cuts start happening.

On a Pollyanna note there's an outside chance that the rooks kick ass in TC.

How cool would that be? Fingers crossed.
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I used to not be able to stand Plex man. Can't stand overly entitled athletes who don't want to work hard and make a mockery of a great sport where you're privlidged as much as they are to play this game in front of Millions of people.

That was old PLex before he went to jail though.

I see a changed man now who realizes he made horrible mistakes, lost a year or so of his life with his family and his career. I have seen and heard nothing but positive things from Plex since he came back. I think the Texans would be a perfect fit for Plex. Really disappointed that Bob and Rick won't take advantage of the opportunity and would waste time on a guy like Roy who has always had even more talent than Plex, but has always had an even worse attitude than Plex and not even nearly as good of a player. And Bryant Johnson isn't worth a **** either.
 
Texecutioner said:
I used to not be able to stand Plex man. Can't stand overly entitled athletes who don't want to work hard and make a mockery of a great sport where you're privlidged as much as they are to play this game in front of Millions of people.

That was old PLex before he went to jail though.

I see a changed man now who realizes he made horrible mistakes, lost a year or so of his life with his family and his career. I have seen and heard nothing but positive things from Plex since he came back. I think the Texans would be a perfect fit for Plex. Really disappointed that Bob and Rick won't take advantage of the opportunity and would waste time on a guy like Roy who has always had even more talent than Plex, but has always had an even worse attitude than Plex and not even nearly as good of a player. And Bryant Johnson isn't worth a **** either.
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I thought Plax was always a hard worker. Didn't know he had work ethic issues.

Guess you learn something new every day.
 
BCRich said:
I thought Plax was always a hard worker. Didn't know he had work ethic issues.

Guess you learn something new every day.
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You serious man? Plex had a horrible reputation for years for dogging it man. I'm really not sure how you could have missed that. Why do you think the Steelers traded him? He was known as Plexiglass over there and became hated by a lot of Steelers fans for how bad his attitude was. In NY he seemed to improve on the field, but he always was making the news for getting Coughlin ticked off and Eli as well. Several times he didn't start for missing team meetings and for dogging it at practice. His last season there he was heavily criticized and was possibly on his way out of NY. Ples probably could have had much better numbers throughout his career had he taken his game more seriously. At least he has now. Unfortunately it took a prison sentence to do that though. I'd love to bring the new Plex over here to be a #2 or #3 WR though. I think he would really embrace this team.
 
Texecutioner said:
You serious man? Plex had a horrible reputation for years for dogging it man. I'm really not sure how you could have missed that. Why do you think the Steelers traded him? He was known as Plexiglass over there and became hated by a lot of Steelers fans for how bad his attitude was. In NY he seemed to improve on the field, but he always was making the news for getting Coughlin ticked off and Eli as well. Several times he didn't start for missing team meetings and for dogging it at practice. His last season there he was heavily criticized and was possibly on his way out of NY. Ples probably could have had much better numbers throughout his career had he taken his game more seriously. At least he has now. Unfortunately it took a prison sentence to do that though. I'd love to bring the new Plex over here to be a #2 or #3 WR though. I think he would really embrace this team.
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This is one situation where we agree 100 percent!
 
Whenever I think of Plaxico, I think of a play he made as a rookie where he made a catch for a first down, fell down, and got up and spiked the ball in celebration while pointing that he had made a first down.

Unfortunately, no one had touched him and it was ruled a fumble. The other team recovered.

I can't think of him without thinking of that play.
 
It's about his asking price. The Texans FO would probably need more convincing than most teams when it comes to Plax.
 
Does anyone here know that the reason Plexico isn't in camp is because the Texans made that choice?

Maybe they made a call and he had no interest. I consider him a "me first" receiver along the lines of a TO. I would imagine those players wouldn't want to come here with a "team first" receiver like Andre.

It isn't always on the team when the best players available don't come to Houston.
 
Plexiglass can continue to beg the Panthers for a job for all I care. Dude is NOT Texans material.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Does anyone here know that the reason Plexico isn't in camp is because the Texans made that choice?

Maybe they made a call and he had no interest. I consider him a "me first" receiver along the lines of a TO. I would imagine those players wouldn't want to come here with a "team first" receiver like Andre.

It isn't always on the team when the best players available don't come to Houston.
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I'd accept that had I never heard him say that Houston would be a dream situation for him. I think we called, I think he gave his price and we simply walked away.
 
El Tejano said:
I'd accept that had I never heard him say that Houston would be a dream situation for him. I think we called, I think he gave his price and we simply walked away.
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Yeah, but... Plaxico was saying that about EVERY team. It wasn't just us. And if I remember that interview correctly, he didn't bring us up. One of the interviewers asked about the Texans and Plaxico lit up and said, "Oh, YEAH! That would be a dream situation." But he was talking about other teams and I don't think he considered us one of his prime targets before the interviewer brought us up.

You could have asked Plaxico about any of the 32 teams out there and I suspect he would have had a glowing reason for why he wanted to go there.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah, but... Plaxico was saying that about EVERY team. It wasn't just us. And if I remember that interview correctly, he didn't bring us up. One of the interviewers asked about the Texans and Plaxico lit up and said, "Oh, YEAH! That would be a dream situation." But he was talking about other teams and I don't think he considered us one of his prime targets before the interviewer brought us up.

You could have asked Plaxico about any of the 32 teams out there and I suspect he would have had a glowing reason for why he wanted to go there.
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Okay? So....he would probably want to play here, then!

It seems a lot of teams are playing some type of waiting game with Plax, trying to get him for as little as possible... I really hope the Texans can get him into camp, but i think someone will pay him too much real soon...
 
Texecutioner said:
How could anyone be happy about Roy Williams potentially making his way onto this team. That dude has been a disaster on 3 different teams and has displayed a poor work ethic and an ego to go with it. So what if he has a big body. That doesn't mean zilch when you suck. I'd take TO's old ass over Roy any day of the week, and I hate TO.
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My guess is that Wade Phillips signed off on working him out so I see no harm in giving him another chance :)
 
Signed Bryant Johnson again. Jippie.

Well I guess if we're going to sign a camp body at WR he was going to probably be cheaper.

I just don't see the point really. Johnson did absolutely nothing noteworthy last year and he had a BIG opportunity to make a splash. He didn't even make a ripple.

I am really hoping one of the rookies or Lestar makes a real big impact, because if they don't, we have to really hope AJ is healthy all year.
 
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