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Schaub has Hardware removed

“I mean, sitting here on April 16, it’s hard for me to say when I will be [ready],” Schaub said. “I mean, after the screws came out this past week, it’s hard for me to tell you a certain date or June or something like that. All I know is come time for training camp, I’m going to be 100 percent ready to go and that’s all that really matters, in my mind.”

If Schaub can’t participate in the upcoming OTAs, T.J. Yates presumably will get the bulk of the practice reps. Which will make him better prepared in the event of further injury to Schaub.
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Seems like some double talk is going on.


Hard to say when you'll be ready, but you know you'll be 100% by training camp? Huh?

I think he's just being hopeful, which he should be.
 
Rey said:
Seems like some double talk is going on.


Hard to say when you'll be ready, but you know you'll be 100% by training camp? Huh?

I think he's just being hopeful, which he should be.
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Training camp started on July 31st last year. He is saying that he doesnt know specifically when he will be ready, but that it will be by TC.
 
Blake said:
Training camp started on July 31st last year. He is saying that he doesnt know specifically when he will be ready, but that it will be by TC.
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I'm reading his words as he said them and I think it's kind of strange to say that you don't know when you'll be ready, but you know you'll be 100% by a certain date.

If you know that you'll be 100% by the time training camp rolls around then you should know when you'll be 75%, or 80%, or 95%....

Truth is, he may never get to 100% ever again.

To me it just sounds like he is being hopeful, but that is what he is supposed to be doing.
 
Has he ever been 100%??

I've seen people run from slow motion explosions in action movies faster than he does a bootleg in real time.
 
Perki-Perk said:
Has he ever been 100%??

I've seen people run from slow motion explosions in action movies faster than he does a bootleg in real time.
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I could care less how slow he runs a bootleg as long as he continues to fake the defense out of their Nikes. Matt runs one of the most effective bootlegs I've seen. Now if we just had someone on other side to open the field a bit more......
 
I've been extremely skeptical of the FO's noise regarding how definite Schaub's recovery is for week 1 next season.

The guy has been walking round with his leg held together with more rebar than your average skyscraper and yet all we've heard out of the FO has been tales of him wanting to play golf and being right on track etc.

I'm no medical expert, but I find it hard to believe that they could be sure how he's going to cope and recover before this point, nows when he begins the real healing. The dude has got a different geometry now, its like changing the suspension setup on your car, he's going to have to relearn the finer points of his balance etc to be able to throw the ball accurately.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we are that team who reaches for their 3rd round graded QB in the first this year, I'd be upset that its a sign Schaub won't be back week 1, but not surprised.

Our FO love to make all the wrong noises ahead of draft day to throw opposing teams' draft boards off, and stop people trading up ahead of us to take our pick, if they were 100% sure he'd be back, I'd half expect them to be making a load of noises about taking a QB in the first as misdirection. I hope I'm totally wrong on this.
 
I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.
 
badboy said:
I could care less how slow he runs a bootleg as long as he continues to fake the defense out of their Nikes. Matt runs one of the most effective bootlegs I've seen.
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Exactly. This isn't the option. It isn't him threatening to run. Schaub's bootlegs work because (Foster and the running game is good should be #1 but it was effective when we had an ineffective running game) (a) he has one of the best play fakes around and (b) because he is diligent and doesn't just stand there on actual running plays - he will often roll out after handing the ball off. Mutually built plays. Schaub rolling out on running plays disrupts the D as a yin yang to Foster acting like he has the ball when Schaub is boot legging.
 
Thorn said:
I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.
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I share the exact sentiments.

I also have concerns about if he really is on track at that point how much this will affect other aspects of his game. A QB with already limited mobility could be even less? Will it lead to more hits? Will Matt be able to stand up to a high hit count? More shotgun formations?

At least over the next few months its likely Yates will be getting the bulk or the starters reps, which helps.
 
badboy said:
I could care less how slow he runs a bootleg as long as he continues to fake the defense out of their Nikes. Matt runs one of the most effective bootlegs I've seen. Now if we just had someone on other side to open the field a bit more......
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Oh my gosh! Nevermind the witty humor, let's be all technical! Maybe it's so effective because of how slow he runs it...haha, the defense thinks he couldn't possibly still have the ball.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I'll bet his wife won't be happy when she finds out he had his hardware removed...


/obligatory
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Perki-Perk said:
Has he ever been 100%??
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Like others have noted, Schaub's speed as he runs the bootleg isn't really that important to its effectiveness.

But it would be nice to have a QB who could give the defense another thing to worry about, even if it's a slight worry for the QB taking off for 3-4 yards.

3rd and 15, 40 seconds left to go in the season game against the Bengals, and the play breaks down, so Yates scrambles for the first down. Some may argue that if Schaub was playing, we might not be in a 3rd and 15 scenario, and that's fair.

But regardless, it'd be another weapon that'd be nice.
 
welsh texan said:
I've been extremely skeptical of the FO's noise regarding how definite Schaub's recovery is for week 1 next season.

The guy has been walking round with his leg held together with more rebar than your average skyscraper and yet all we've heard out of the FO has been tales of him wanting to play golf and being right on track etc.

I'm no medical expert, but I find it hard to believe that they could be sure how he's going to cope and recover before this point, nows when he begins the real healing. The dude has got a different geometry now, its like changing the suspension setup on your car, he's going to have to relearn the finer points of his balance etc to be able to throw the ball accurately.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Give that man a ceegar!! :bravo:

Not to mention the concern here is less the injury itself causing long-term problems, but instead the inability to get in shape, resulting in nagging injuries like pulls and strains during the season.

I fully expect a QB to be taken in the draft. That might disappoint some, but if some are surprised, they aren't paying any attention.
 
Thorn said:
I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.
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This.

Although I think he'll be close to 100% by mid-season as long as he's not rushed back into action too soon.

I'm hoping that Yates will be much better after getting the TC reps under his belt. I expect him to be. A couple of days ago, I went back and re-watched the Falcons game. The kid's got a chance to be special. I'd just prefer to have him backing up Schaub for a year or two before he really had to be put to the test. I expect him to be our game 1 starter and start at least 3-4 games.
 
Hey ArlingtonTexan, I'm just curious . . . did you mispell Schaub's name accidentally, or was that by design as a form of protest?
 
"Moving forward" .. "Just moving on" ... "Not sure about when 100%" ... blah, blah, blah.

Matt Schaub never takes another snap for the Texans ... my prediction.

Damaged goods. Injury prone player who was just average to begin with (had some great moments but overall career average), and may never play for any team again. Just had the hardware removed and it isn't until some time after that if they can tell the operation was truly successful. Even then if it is deemed a "success", it doesn't mean he plays football like a pro player ever again, it basically just means the dude can walk and has normal ability.

The Texans (Matt, Gary, Rick) have been trying to spin this all off season ... makes me think something is coming in the draft that will surprise us.
 
Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
This.

Although I think he'll be close to 100% by mid-season as long as he's not rushed back into action too soon.

I'm hoping that Yates will be much better after getting the TC reps under his belt. I expect him to be. A couple of days ago, I went back and re-watched the Falcons game. The kid's got a chance to be special. I'd just prefer to have him backing up Schaub for a year or two before he really had to be put to the test. I expect him to be our game 1 starter and start at least 3-4 games.
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I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.
 
GP said:
I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.
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The thing is (depending on our schedule such as when our toughest games are) we could be 3-5 or 2-6 and our season could already be lost. Even though I think Schaub is starting week 1 if he isn't I'm hoping our hard games are in the latter half of the season.
 
infantrycak said:
Exactly. This isn't the option. It isn't him threatening to run. Schaub's bootlegs work because (Foster and the running game is good should be #1 but it was effective when we had an ineffective running game) (a) he has one of the best play fakes around and (b) because he is diligent and doesn't just stand there on actual running plays - he will often roll out after handing the ball off. Mutually built plays. Schaub rolling out on running plays disrupts the D as a yin yang to Foster acting like he has the ball when Schaub is boot legging.
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Exactly. They are one of the best offenses in the league at disguising their plays in general. Manning and the Colts were the best not long ago, but the Texans are right there and Schaub is a big reason why. Sure hope he is at or near 100% by Sept.
 
I would be absolutely ecstatic if Schaub comes back in form and leads us to the promised land. I hope it happens, but I just don’t see it.
 
The Medic01 said:
Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.
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I see that you didn't join this place until November of last year. You're about to find out something regarding the team's honesty about injury disclosures.
 
Marcus said:
I see that you didn't join this place until November of last year. You're about to find out something regarding the team's honesty about injury disclosures.
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Well if your implying that I became a fan in November that is wrong although I've only been a fan for 5 years
 
The Medic01 said:
Well if your implying that I became a fan in November that is wrong although I've only been a fan for 5 years
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Wasn't implying that all about you being a fan. What I was implying was that had you been around here earlier, you would be a lot better informed.
 
GP said:
I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.
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If TJ starts the year and does well, then Matt (if he is medically cleared to play) would be trade bait mid-season before the deadline. You would not wait to see if he was going to be able to play and then not be able to get anything for him if TJ was the better option and doing well. You would let him get cleared, and then try to get something for a QB in the last year of his contract, so the other team could worry about if he was 100% or not.
 
ckhouston said:
If TJ starts the year and does well, then Matt (if he is medically cleared to play) would be trade bait mid-season before the deadline. You would not wait to see if he was going to be able to play and then not be able to get anything for him if TJ was the better option and doing well. You would let him get cleared, and then try to get something for a QB in the last year of his contract, so the other team could worry about if he was 100% or not.
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There is the 'little" problem of not having a legitimate back-up QB.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
They are talking in-season trading Schaub. and there is about zero QBs hanging around the unemployment line who are better than healthy schaub (and I get his health is far from guaranteed).
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Should have been "or after..." not "of". There are vet QBs in the middle of the season. Of course, all of this depends on how well Yates plays.
 
i said it after the injury was announced, schaub has played his last game as a texans. I know it sucks, but when he comes back, the team will be in mid season form and tj will be in control of the offense.
 
leebigeztx said:
i said it after the injury was announced, schaub has played his last game as a texans. I know it sucks, but when he comes back, the team will be in mid season form and tj will be in control of the offense.
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and we'll be VERY lucky to be at .500. And Foster + our defense will carry us to any wins we manage.
Yates will be - AT BEST - a spot duty backup.
 
ObsiWan said:
and we'll be VERY lucky to be at .500. And Foster + our defense will carry us to any wins we manage.
Yates will be - AT BEST - a spot duty backup.
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I disagree.

I think Yates will be able to compete for a starting job somewhere if not here.
 
ObsiWan said:
and we'll be VERY lucky to be at .500. And Foster + our defense will carry us to any wins we manage.
Yates will be - AT BEST - a spot duty backup.
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Dude.

I went back and watched the Falcons game and the first series of the last Titans game. TJ, as a rook, played a helluva lot better than just a spot duty backup.

Give this kid a real off-season and starter's reps in TC? I think you're going to be surprised.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Dude.

I went back and watched the Falcons game and the first series of the last Titans game. TJ, as a rook, played a helluva lot better than just a spot duty backup.

Give this kid a real off-season and starter's reps in TC? I think you're going to be surprised.
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I said it last year as well. He has the capabitly. I also think it's a matter of reps with the fisrt team and a full off season. TJ was tossed in the barrel last season and aside from the most obvious parts, he did a great job for the practice and reps he had (not even running OUR offense).

Like Rey said, I think he's going to compete for a starte's job as well and but I don't see him doing anywhere than here. I don't see Kubes letting him get away. This is based on my thought that I'm not sure Matt has an even 50 - 50 chance of coming back with the history of his particular injury. I'm not buying into the Texans' spin on it just yet.

Like I've seen a few others post, I wouldn't be surpised to see Matt PUP'd.
 
If you're in the camp that Yates just needs first team reps through the off-season, I think you can rest easy, from all the info I've seen on Matt's injury, even if he was to start week 1, he isn't going to be taking too many reps in practice.

I saw Yates looking about level with any of those borderline starting QB's in their rookie seasons, of course Yates having only taken 3rd team reps for most of the season, you'd have to think he has a chance to outperform that analysis, but at the same time he might end up as one of the ones who fail.

Either way, he's already lived up to his draft position if he never played another down. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I wasn't forced to find out which way he's going to go this season tbh, much rather have the chance to wait 1 more year.
 
welsh texan said:
If you're in the camp that Yates just needs first team reps through the off-season, I think you can rest easy, from all the info I've seen on Matt's injury, even if he was to start week 1, he isn't going to be taking too many reps in practice.

I saw Yates looking about level with any of those borderline starting QB's in their rookie seasons, of course Yates having only taken 3rd team reps for most of the season, you'd have to think he has a chance to outperform that analysis, but at the same time he might end up as one of the ones who fail.

Either way, he's already lived up to his draft position if he never played another down. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I wasn't forced to find out which way he's going to go this season tbh, much rather have the chance to wait 1 more year.
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Think this is posting that I agree with for the most part. Yates played well for the situation that he was placed, he did not consistently perform as a legitiamte starting QB. There is distinct difference. While not a true superstar or anything, healthy Schaub is legitimate NFL starting QB, 10 to 12 guys better at the moment. Healthy is an issue.

If there was some way for him to get enough playing to figure out what the Texans have in Yates, but not run him out there for 10-12 plus games as the starter that would be the ideal situation for me.
 
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