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Waterboy
Who else would love to see the Texans give up their #26 pick and sign Mike Wallace from the Steelers?
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Mike Wallace to the Texans Petition
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Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Where are we going to get 8-10 million dollars to sign him? The dude isn't going to be taken away from the Steelers any time soon, they have the right to match the offer as well.
redwhiteblue
Waterboy
I just don't see a lot of options for the Texans at #26. I think Kevin Walter is going to start over anyone they could draft at that spot, and if the Texans go OLB or DT or offensive line at #26, they won't draft a receiver until the second round and they will probably be #4 on the depth chart behind Jacoby.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Arian was undrafted, i'm sure we will be fine
redwhiteblue
Waterboy
Kubiak wants his receivers to know the offensive an show great effort and blocking in the run game, and that is something jones and Walter do well. I think whoever gets drafted by the Texans is not going to see a lot of playing time the first year.
Fili
Rookie
Our system needs some experience to get used to. Wallace wouldn't be an automatic starter which would be just a waste of cap space. Better off with a rook for cap space reasons.
redwhiteblue
Waterboy
I think any veteran receiver with nfl experience would be an automatic starter, I just don't think a rookie out of college would.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
I see where you're coming from, but as other members have said, Wallace will cost too much cheddar for the Texans right now. I mean, hell, they are not even going after Early Doucet. Ya know why?
Uncle Bob made it very clear that the Texans would not go after a FA WR. Instead, he said they would go after a WR in the draft. Bob also placed an emphasis on speed for said WR.
The more I think about it this leads me to believe three things:
1.) Contrary to what I wanted the Texans will take a WR in the 1st round if the guy they want is there.
2.) Because of this, whichever WR they draft they'll want to start right away (see every 1st rounder almost anyone has ever drafted).
3.) Bob's words eliminates several bigger names in the 1st round due to sub-par 40s - which is fine, because the quicker guys (at least by combine or pro day numbers) might just fall as low as #26.
In short, Bob's especially in the know about this year's draft, and he's made that clear. And although Uncle Bob is not one to generally force his will on his GM and coach, it sounds like to me they've already reach a quorum.
If Dale and Shane could die, then anything could happen with the Texans this year. Just as the mayans predicted.
GP
Go Texans!
I was thinking the same thing. That Morley Safer guy is the balls.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
You gonna put up the $10-12 million its going to take to sign him?
whitewater
Practice Squad
I would, that's who.
GP
Go Texans!
What is this place coming to???
Geez Louise.
Why would we pay Mike Wallace upwards of 8 or 9 or 10 million when we can draft and pay a rookie WR a paltry rookie salary for like, oh I don't know...four years?
We also have Lestar Jean for those with short memories. He was turning into a preseason sensation before getting hurt and I.R.'d. Him and Yates were clickin' like boneless chicken in the preseason.
Has boredom reduced us to this? Stay strong out there, guys. Meet back here tomorrow and run your thread ideas through me before posting them. I will help sort out the good ideas from the bad ideas.
Geez Louise.
Why would we pay Mike Wallace upwards of 8 or 9 or 10 million when we can draft and pay a rookie WR a paltry rookie salary for like, oh I don't know...four years?
We also have Lestar Jean for those with short memories. He was turning into a preseason sensation before getting hurt and I.R.'d. Him and Yates were clickin' like boneless chicken in the preseason.
Has boredom reduced us to this? Stay strong out there, guys. Meet back here tomorrow and run your thread ideas through me before posting them. I will help sort out the good ideas from the bad ideas.
This is Madden .... <//////////} a buncha cap room .... :wadepalm:
In direct answer to your question:
Not me.
I'd rather have the draft pick. A first round WR pick would be less expensive (Wright would give us Wallace-type speed AND a kick returner). And if we don't go WR, we need a quality OL or OLB with that pick. Since this WR draft class if fairly deep, we could get a quality guy in the 2nd round.
Lastly, and I admit less important, I want that comp pick for giving up Mario. Signing Wallace - even if we had the cap room - may well negate that comp pick.
Allstar
Bona fide
This.
I might be in the minority here, but I'm as giddy as a school girl with the offseason moves. The only thing I really see to gripe about is they haven't cut Jones and re-signed Dreesen.
I'm interested in what our ufa receivers from last season look like this year.
I'm interested in what our ufa receivers from last season look like this year.
redwhiteblue
Waterboy
Drafting a 1st round <insert position here> is a crap shoot. Hopefully, we draft BPA and it happens to be a position of need. There's no need for the Texans to go reaching, at any position, in this draft.
dsorc
Waterboy
Wallace would not count towards comp picks because he's a RFA. They're separate because otherwise teams would get 2 picks for one player. I still don't think we would sign Wallace simply because of the money. He'd be a clear improvement opposite Andre but we can't afford him.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
silvrhand
All Pro
Schaub can't throw the ball far enough for Wallace lol.
GP
Go Texans!
Well, I know what we'd have in Mike Wallace...a WR who costs a helluva' lot of money every year AND hurts us on the cap.
Did you see the catches Lestar Jean was making in preseason? It was a acrobatic, twist around in the air, and stick to his hands like glue "stuff." He gets down the field, gets separation and makes catches. he is what Jacoby OUGHT to be right now...but isn't.
He was going to make the roster until he got hurt. That's why we had to sign Derrick Mason and Bryant Johnson toward the halfway part of the year. Had Jean been on the roster, he is WR4. With Jacoby in limbo, I think Jean could become WR3 easily. If he has the sort of camp and preseason like he did last year.
I'd rather draft and pay less than get into another Eric Moulds situation--Where we think we have a quality WR and he doesn't produce as planned. Outside of Kevin Walter, and it's a stretch to even throw Walter into the mix here, the Kubiak era has not been fortunate in signing quality Free Agent WRs.
If we have ANY money to spend, we go after our own guys first...then see what else we can do. And I bet it's not much.
Blake
MMQB
Its not THAT crazy to fathom. While I dont think it is even an option (Cap wise), the help that a rookie WR can give us vs. the help Mike Wallace can give us is a HUGE disparity. How many rookie WR's come in their first season and tear the league up? 1 in 100?
If we didnt need a replacement for Mario, I would package picks this year and next to jump up and get Blackmon.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
This offense doesn't need a rookie WR to come in and "tear it up", they just need any WR to come in and be a decent threat/good compliment to AJ...nothing amazing is needed...
GP
Go Texans!
LOL. Yes, FANTASTIC IDEA!GP, I was contemplating starting a Mario Williams is a Bill thread.... Thoughts??
As our furry little friend here is about to find out, sometimes you shouldn't contemplate what it would be like to act on an impulse:
Blake
MMQB
What does that mean to you? Can I get an example or 2 of this?
80tothezone
Veteran
what about lestar Jean? I think he is still on the team maybe he has put in the work and is rdy to step up?
80tothezone
Veteran
we need jj with hands.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
Nothing specific, just a better option than what we had on the field in January... They don't need to be all-world...
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
That could be a guy they have great confidence in, and another reason (outside of cap room) they're not chompin' at the bit for a WR in FAgency...
80tothezone
Veteran
do we really need a Mario replacement? I think we saw him last yr.... and we got Brahman and I think one other on the other side other than barwin. I mean with the exception of Ryans our lb's are young and we have plenty of them. I would say our needs in order are WR, Ol, Cb, and I haven't heard what we did with OD so maybe a Te. Other than that it's Bpa
GP
Go Texans!
1 example is Lestar Jean.
Yeah, I know...he's not a big name from a big-time team, but Lestar Jean is that type of home-grown talent that will be a good fit for our offense.
He runs routes the way a route should be ran, unlike Jacoby who is a sloppy route runner and makes Schaub's passes look like they were thrown in the dirt or over Jacoby's head--In Kubiak's offense, you have to be in the right spot at the right time...you have to run PRECISE routes and break off the routes at the right time, because Schaub is timing his throw to a certain spot at a certain time.
This is why guys like Dreessen and OD and AJ and Walter are in this offense. Kubiak isn't just looking for whatever WR might be out there. He wants them to be reliable in the route running. He wants them to be precise. Some guys just don't do that, they freestyle it and they fit QBs like a Favre who also freestyles it a lot.
But Wallace's big problem is his price tag. Period.
Speaking of Lestar Jean . . .
Did anyone besides me find his "injury/IR" status last preseason a little suspicious, for the lack of better words?
I mean, he was tearing it up in the 2nd halfs of the 1st two preseason games, and then we never saw him again. Then, in response to a question, Kubes said he was iinjured, and put on IR. I'm wondering if Kubes was just putting him "on ice" because he knew there wouldn't be an opening roster spot for him, but knew he wouldn't make it to the practice squad because he'd be picked up on waivers.
That was just something I'd been wondering about for a long time, and I thought I'd finally throw it out to see what you guys thought.
Did anyone besides me find his "injury/IR" status last preseason a little suspicious, for the lack of better words?
I mean, he was tearing it up in the 2nd halfs of the 1st two preseason games, and then we never saw him again. Then, in response to a question, Kubes said he was iinjured, and put on IR. I'm wondering if Kubes was just putting him "on ice" because he knew there wouldn't be an opening roster spot for him, but knew he wouldn't make it to the practice squad because he'd be picked up on waivers.
That was just something I'd been wondering about for a long time, and I thought I'd finally throw it out to see what you guys thought.
Blake
MMQB
I totally get where you are coming from, and I am also excited to see more of Lester Jean. Only problem I see with your post is that if Kubiak value's route running so much, then why even bother with Jacoby Jones this season? Dude has been in the league 4 seasons and is still awful with his route running.
I really think the only reason he is around is that his cap number this season is practically that of a rookie WR. But we've gone back and forth on what his cap hit actually is.
I think you are overstating this...
Matt isn't out there just throwing to spots where the WR should be. When someone says that this is a "timing" offense it means that certain things on a given play need to be executed within a certain rythm...Like on bootlegs before a WR or TE gets into their route and is in a position to catch the ball, they need to sell the run for a certain amount of time so they are in rythm with everything else going on with the play...Normally it's like a 3 count, but it probably varies from play to, team to team, whatever...
It does not mean, be in a specific place at a specific time per se....
All of Matt's balls are not going to be perfect and he has thrown bad passes to more players than just Jacoby. Regardless of the timing aspects of a route, he still needs to see his target and throw a catchable ball...
Not if we are talking about a WR going one direction and Matt thinking he's going somewhere else...that's different. But if we are talking rounding your routes or not getting the proper depth or something of that nature that shouldn't affect the throw much...Maybe the receiver doesn't get as open as he should but the throw can still be on point. I remember a few times last year where a receiver was open for a catch and Matt short armed the throw...And that wasn't just to Jacoby...
Jacoby moves funny to me...He has awkward mannerisims...He's not a crisp, tight movement guy and I think that is a big part of his problem (along with him not having that great a pair of hands)....
But I don't think he has bad timing in the offense. Jacoby would be a good 3/4 receiver, but he is no #2 and he is no #1.....
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GP
Go Texans!
Jacoby is sloppy. Period.
It's evident in his punt returning, too. It affects his route running. He doesn't pay attention to details.
When Jacoby breaks off a route two yards later than he should, the ball is in the dirt at his feet. When he breaks off a route earlier than he should, the ball is over his head. He hurts himself, and our team, by being a sloppy route runner.
It's something that I didn't notice until this season. And I was THE leading supporter of Jacoby during the summer of 2011 when the Jacoby vs. David Anderson debate was all the rage around here. I began to really study Jacoby's route running because I couldn't figure out why so many passes to Jacobu ended up short or long and he didn't even have a chance at those passes...I kept thinking, "There's no way Schaub is THAT inaccurate." And he isn't.
Yeah, Schaub is going to be hurried and wing a pass or twelve. But I'm talking about the times when Schaub had time to stand in the pocket and throw. I don't have time to find the film and break it down...and it would just be picked apart anyways, so there's no use in trying.
I stick to my statement: Jacoby is not a "details" guy. This is why he fields punts "on the bounce" in playoffs games. It's why he runs backwards on punts, or from sideline to sideline and gains 1 yard after running for 10 seconds. It's why the ball is over his head or at his feet when he's out there as a WR.
Jacoby is either on or off when the ball hits his hands. He's like laying the roulette wheel...you bet black and it turns up red, you lose. Then you play red, it turns black and you lose. Then you bet red again, and you win. There's just no reliability from him. None. He's not a details guy.
GP
Go Texans!
I didn't mention that in my pervious posts here...because people think I have lots of crazy conspiracy theories about stuff like that.
But, yeah...I get what you're saying. It was fishy.
I remember thinking the same thing. He wasn't hurt enough to be fully I.R.'d, IMO, but Kubiak knew he had to work the system to protect him from being snagged by another team. That was my opinion then, it's my opinion now.
Because he was a Kubiak pick. 100%. And as much as I appreciate the way Kubiak is loyal to his guys, this is the sort of thing that gets to me.
Kubiak is a David Anderson fan, too. Brought him back for a game or two in 2011 because of his affinity for the guy. When you are IN with Kubiak, you're IN. Bob McNair even said that Kubiak had a hard time letting go of struggling d-coord Frank Bush. Which tells me--my theory here--that Wade Phillips was not Kubiak's decision...McNair urged him to fire Bush and told him he wanted Wade, and Kubiak relented and agreed to fire Frank and hire Wade.
McNair said in a recent interview that Dom Capers' inability to fire struggling assistants and coordinators is what got us the 2-14 season...and got Dom fired for it. So, this tells me that McNair gives his HC wide latitude in how to hire and fire, and when to hire and fire, and it seems McNair had a heart-to-heart and told Kubiak that sticking with Frank Bush might get him (Kubiak) fired in the end. Kubiak didn't do what Dom did; Kubiak fired Frank and therefore I think McNair said, "OK, let's try Wade and give it a go with him for awhile OK?" And Kubiak was cool with it. He had to be.