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Jerome Solomon reporting Demeco and Jacoby are supposedly being cut tomorrow

Mr teX said:
much to dale's chagrin, i think it's very possible all of this is being done to get MW back.

here's the deal......just like arian, all has been quiet on the MW front and all we've heard from the FO is that they want him back... we also heard the little rumor a couple days back about some contractors working on Mario's house...him saying that they're workiing on something as we speak. doesn't sound like the FO is resigned to just let him walk.... meanwhile we've has surprising cuts in winston and other rumors about other surprising cuts possibly on the way. it's extremely limited info i know, but all signs point to the texans trying to make a run at him.

It's smart imo. You gotta keep all the elite talent locked up...mario falls in that category.
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How is it smart when it was shown you can make a true run with other guys. Paying him large amounts of cash..which is what his price is going to be...at the sake of continuity on the O-line, LBS, etc makes zero sense to me. Signing the other O-linemen and adding some other FAs not named Mario makes more sense.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Lay off the negs. OP made a mistake. It happens.
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First rule about neg rep, DO NOT TALK ABOUT NEG REP!
 
If this is true, then it may be a good sign for the Texans. They are acting like a true pro sports team.

You don't fit the system?
Overpaid?
Haven't produced in a year or two?

Welcome to Cutsville

I hate the Pats and Giants, but they don't hold on to players for sentimental value.
 
ckhouston said:
I have no clue how to even neg rep someone. To me positive rep or negative rep is just a popularity contest and has no bearing on anything.
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Nope. It is a way for us to share private opinions. I rather enjoy having the feature. I don't want to create a post that says A+++ or I agree and then make everybody come click on the new posts thread just for that.

Click on the hourglass or was it a scale on the left side. That is how you leave rep.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Nope. It is a way for us to share private opinions. I rather enjoy having the feature. I don't want to create a post that says A+++ or I agree and then make everybody come click on the new posts thread just for that.

Click on the hourglass or was it a scale on the left side. That is how you leave rep.
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I positive rep'd you for teaching me how to positive rep you. :gamer:
 
The1ApplePie said:
If this is true, then it may be a good sign for the Texans. They are acting like a true pro sports team.

You don't fit the system?
Overpaid?
Haven't produced in a year or two?

Welcome to Cutsville

I hate the Pats and Giants, but they don't hold on to players for sentimental value.
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Holding onto Mario would be exactly that though, sentimental. We don't 'need' him. We could use him, but we don't need him. We found 2 guys who can play OLB and it would be better for the team if we let Mario walk and added depth behind those guys and signed our other FA's (Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen).
 
WolverineFan said:
Holding onto Mario would be exactly that though, sentimental. We don't 'need' him. We could use him, but we don't need him. We found 2 guys who can play OLB and it would be better for the team if we let Mario walk and added depth behind those guys and signed our other FA's (Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen).
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I stand by my opinion that IF they sign Mario it is because Wade wants him here and believes we can have a better defense by far with him at OLB next year.
 
ckhouston said:
I stand by my opinion that IF they sign Mario it is because Wade wants him here and believes we can have a better defense by far with him at OLB next year.
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I agree. Well, I would disagree with Wade, but I agree that Wade would be behind the re-signing.
 
HoustonFrog said:
How is it smart when it was shown you can make a true run with other guys. Paying him large amounts of cash..which is what his price is going to be...at the sake of continuity on the O-line, LBS, etc makes zero sense to me. Signing the other O-linemen and adding some other FAs not named Mario makes more sense.
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Texans may feel like they need an elite talent to compete against elite offenses (which we will see more of this year).

I think signing Mario would be the smart thing to do. Let Myers walk, sign Briesel.

Mario was well on his way to having his best season ever and would have likely been among the top of the tops in Sacks. And I can not re-iterate enough that Mario is excellent against the run. Rare to to find a guy that can do both that well and that has the versatility that Mario has.
 
WolverineFan said:
Holding onto Mario would be exactly that though, sentimental. We don't 'need' him. We could use him, but we don't need him. We found 2 guys who can play OLB and it would be better for the team if we let Mario walk and added depth behind those guys and signed our other FA's (Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen).
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Just to play Devil's advocate, the 3-4 is predicated on having an abundance of quality pass rushers. The Texans have 2: Barwin and Reed. What would happen if one of them gets injured? The Texans would only have 1 of them plus some rookie they drafted who may or may not be as ready to go as Reed.

Meco didn't really play all that much since the team was in Nickle quite a bit. JJ deserves to be gone.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
If it only saves 900k this year (Ryans)...maybe it saves more in later years. If FO was "embarrassed" to ask Winston to take a pay cut then they would be "really embarrassed" to ask Ryans. Very interesting night to say the least. I think if they cut Ryans he would not get anywhere the same amount of cash from any other team considering his injury. If this goes down Rick needs a rap or mafia type nickname. This FO has never ever been so aggressive in terms of cutting players (starters under 30).
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I interpreted Winston as saying Texans did not want to embarass him by asking him to take a pay cut. No reason for team to be embarrassed.

If Texans not satisfied with Ryans for any reason, saving a million dollars is still saving a million dollars that can be added with other millions. Then they also save his salary. It may not be just a cap move. IF it happens.
 
Rey said:
Texans may feel like they need an elite talent to compete against elite offenses (which we will see more of this year).

I think signing Mario would be the smart thing to do. Let Myers walk, sign Briesel.

Mario was well on his way to having his best season ever and would have likely been among the top of the tops in Sacks. And I can not re-iterate enough that Mario is excellent against the run. Rare to to find a guy that can do both that well and that has the versatility that Mario has.
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I'll post what Gosselin from the DMN wrote and I couldn't agree more

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...-be-players-for-mario-williams-carl-nicks.ece

Why is nobody concerned that Houston is prepared to just let Mario Williams walk?

Gosselin: Houston is prepared to let him go because the Texans realize they don't need Mario Williams to play great defense. Playing without him most of last season, they still finished second in the NFL in defense and sixth in sacks. I think the Texans would love to keep Williams at a reasonable price. He would make a good defense even better. But the Texans realize the defense isn't going to collapse without him - like the Cowboys defense would without Ware. Overpaying for Williams would put the Teans in a cap-bind they don't need at this point in their development as a contender. This team is very close to being Super Bowl-ready, with or without Williams. Williams is a superb player and the best pass rusher available. He'll get his money. The Cowboys should at least pick up the phone to inquire.
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Kimmy said:
Lat year was like that first line of coke exciting because it was so compressed due to the lockout.

We were all like junkies waiting for our fix! :)
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First time I heard of snorting a line of Coke, I tried but dang near drowned myself and the fizz gave me a headache.

Do you want to tell us about your experience? Don't mean to derail thread but hey.
 
Rey said:
Texans may feel like they need an elite talent to compete against elite offenses (which we will see more of this year).

I think signing Mario would be the smart thing to do. Let Myers walk, sign Briesel.Mario was well on his way to having his best season ever and would have likely been among the top of the tops in Sacks. And I can not re-iterate enough that Mario is excellent against the run. Rare to to find a guy that can do both that well and that has the versatility that Mario has.
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WHo is the center? If Briesel, who is RG?
 
I think Myers is way too important to let walk honestly, If we can't get Brie, Myers, and Williams, I would rather get Brie and Myers and use the extra cap space from Mario in the FA.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'll post what Gosselin from the DMN wrote and I couldn't agree more

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...-be-players-for-mario-williams-carl-nicks.ece

Why is nobody concerned that Houston is prepared to just let Mario Williams walk?

Gosselin: Houston is prepared to let him go because the Texans realize they don't need Mario Williams to play great defense. Playing without him most of last season, they still finished second in the NFL in defense and sixth in sacks. I think the Texans would love to keep Williams at a reasonable price. He would make a good defense even better. But the Texans realize the defense isn't going to collapse without him - like the Cowboys defense would without Ware. Overpaying for Williams would put the Teans in a cap-bind they don't need at this point in their development as a contender. This team is very close to being Super Bowl-ready, with or without Williams. Williams is a superb player and the best pass rusher available. He'll get his money. The Cowboys should at least pick up the phone to inquire.
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To play Devil's advocate:

Last year no one knew who Brooks Reed was. No one had any film on the guy. They didn't know his tendancies, strengths or weaknesses. The same will not be true this year. Is there any gaurantee that he will be as effective this coming season, now that teams will have a season to study? No.

That said, I still have my same opinion on Mario and that is I like him and would love to keep him, but as many have stated "at the right price" as to not hamstring the rest of the cap.
 
Texan_Bill said:
To play Devil's advocate:

Last year no one knew who Brooks Reed was. No one had any film on the guy. They didn't know his tendancies, strengths or weaknesses. The same will not be true this year. Is there any gaurantee that he will be as effective this coming season, now that teams will have a season to study? No.

That said, I still have my same opinion on Mario and that is I like him and would love to keep him, but as many have stated "at the right price" as to not hamstring the rest of the cap.
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True TB. But as you finished up saying you don't want to cut everyone and then blow the bank on one guy when you still think you can have an elite D. But you are right in the sense that coordinators can look more at Reed now.
 
Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein
For the first time this offseason, I'm starting to have my doubts that the Texans will be able to bring Chris Myers back at center next year

Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein
I'm hearing the Texans are not close to a deal with Chris Myers or Mike Brisiel so I don't think Winston was cut in order to fit them in.

Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein
According to source close to Texans, there appears to have been a shift in there FA strategy over the last 3-5 days. Something big coming?
 
I have a gut feeling we're targeting a big name FA WR, and idk why. Schaub can't get him the ball if we have no o-line.
 
Ryan said:
I have a gut feeling we're targeting a big name FA WR, and idk why. Schaub can't get him the ball if we have no o-line.
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We're defintely targeting someone BIG. I don't think these moves are just about Mario and Myers. Someone else is on their radar screen.
 
I'm pissed and I have a terrible feeling in my stomach.

Ugh.

Maybe we're going after Carl Nicks? I hope not. For some reason that guy screams "money hungry punk" to me.
 
HoustonFrog said:
How is it smart when it was shown you can make a true run with other guys. Paying him large amounts of cash..which is what his price is going to be...at the sake of continuity on the O-line, LBS, etc makes zero sense to me. Signing the other O-linemen and adding some other FAs not named Mario makes more sense.
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It's smart b/c:

-He's an elite talent & part of the core of this team

- He's by far our most versatile Front 7 guy as he can play DE, NT & OLB.

- quality depth can be had in the draft...

-Our schedule looks to be tougher in 2012 as far as offenses go.

- And as the old saying goes, you can never have enough pass rushers

I remember this same kinda talk regarding leach last year. "we need to get leach back in the fold...he's just so vital to our run game & Arian.." well a year layer we've got 2 1000 yd rushers on the team 1 of which has shown himself to be a bondafide stud. So in other words, Arian's made those guys some money too; In fact, i think the FO has cast their lot on the whole situation by going on ahead & locking Arian up long term (when they didn't necessarily have to do it b/c he was a RFA) & taking the wait and see approach with Meyers & Brisiel.

People forget that over 1/2 of our O-line was brought here through FA when noone else wanted those guys and that this "continuity" is a myth. Brisiel has missed more than his fair share of games these last 2 years & Brown missed 4 in 2010. Through that time Arian & now Tate have been able to do their thing regardless of who was in on the o-line. Believe me, i understand that our o-line is part of why we've had so much success these last couple of years, but for all this team's success on offense these last few years, our o-line didn't become "great" until Arian started taking snaps at RB.

The other thing to factor in is Kubes' success bringing in O-linemen over the years.

Winston
Brown
Spencer
Smith
Meyers
Brisiel
Butler
Studdard (quality depth)

All of these guys were brought here via FA or the draft under this regime. Hell even the one's that we think weren't very good (Black, Salaam) were still upgrades over what we had from the Capers regime. & if i had to pick 1 area & be confident that kubes could find adequate replacements at in the draft & in FA it's the o-line. i think Meyers & Brown are only guys that are a must we bring back on the o-line. everyone else can be replaced.
 
bckey said:
I hope it isn't true a Demeco. The guy is the heart of this defense. What also sucks is getting all the way to the point of the playoffs and then getting cut. Thank you for your services but no thanks. I don't like it. He is one of the reasons the Texans even got to the playoffs. The Texans could be cutting their own throat if they start cutting out the "vital organs" on this team. I'm gonna wait and see on all this and hope for the best.
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BUT think of what he gets paid vs. amount of time on the field?

I would hope they offer him a paycut before cutting him.
 
Man we really need to resign Myers but if he wants some ridiculous Mangold or Kalil contract...Peter Konz + Plus some UFA, welcome to Houston. Can't believe that we are not close to negotiations with Brisiel, how much money could he reasonably ask for. Well, I sure hope we resign Myers and Brisiel. Very exciting time of the year.
 
srrono said:
Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein
For the first time this offseason, I'm starting to have my doubts that the Texans will be able to bring Chris Myers back at center next year

Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein
I'm hearing the Texans are not close to a deal with Chris Myers or Mike Brisiel so I don't think Winston was cut in order to fit them in.

Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein
According to source close to Texans, there appears to have been a shift in there FA strategy over the last 3-5 days. Something big coming?
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Tells me that Meyers already has something lined up with another team & he's trying to get the texans to match it....Brisiel? well i don't know what he's thinking.
 
Mr teX said:
Tells me that Meyers already has something lined up with another team & he's trying to get the texans to match it....Brisiel? well i don't know what he's thinking.
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Wouldn't that be tampering? Not that it doesn't happen ...
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
BUT think of what he gets paid vs. amount of time on the field?

I would hope they offer him a paycut before cutting him.
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Would Demeco take a pay cut though? I'm guessing given his injury limitations, he may worry about his ability to stick around in future years, and his ability to perform and stick on a new team. Maybe he gambles that his contract isn't favorable to cutting him and he picks up his 5.9m this season wondering if he'll ever see that sort of paycheck again?

The NFL can be cruel and Demeco has been cut down in his prime. Sure he gave his all while he was on the field and in limited snaps he performed as well as could be expected but on the field, he's now overpaid.

I also think the NFL is awash with talent at the position right now, as is our team. Everything except his leadership is totally replaceable right now. Shame to say it.
 
Kimmy said:
Wouldn't that be tampering? Not that it doesn't happen ...
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well of course, but how else do think these "rumors" start about how teams are getting ready to push "hard" for this guy or that guy. How do NFL insiders even find this crap out? All teams & players have to do is filter conversations through their agent & there's no big worry about teams getting penalized for tampering...it's 1 of the biggest jokes in sports....right behind the MLB all-star games deciding home field adv. for the WS.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree. Well, I would disagree with Wade, but I agree that Wade would be behind the re-signing.
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Disagree with Wade? Really?

I have enough respect for Wade Phillips to where if he wants Mario back, an I'm pretty sure he does, then that's good enough for me. It is really quite that simple.

As someone else said, which I agree with, they aren't going to let anyone out that door unless they think he's replaceable. They are making moves.that nobody saw coming. That's what good teams do
 
I liken this whole Mario thing to my basketball team, the Suns, making the decision to let go of Amare Stoudemire.

Both great, athletic masterpieces. Huge contributors, great players. Ultimately though, too much money, and too many questions. Injuries a problem, perceptions of not always playing hard, etc. Like Amare, Mario wants the guaranteed money, and that's just not feasible. You want to keep those guys on your team forever since they're so rare, but tough decisions have to be made. Ultimately, letting Amare go was the best thing for the team, as he looks a shell of himself (not due to no Nash, btw) in NY.

Let's just hope we do a better job replacing Mario than the Suns did replacing Amare, lol.
 
Marcus said:
Disagree with Wade? Really?

I have enough respect for Wade Phillips to where if he wants Mario back, an I'm pretty sure he does, then that's good enough for me. It is really quite that simple.

As someone else said, which I agree with, they aren't going to let anyone out that door unless they think he's replaceable. They are making moves.that nobody saw coming. That's what good teams do
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I'm a little worried about selling the farm for Mario though. Defense wins Championships? Not anymore, QB's win championships, we're in the era of the 5000 yard QB and rules that say you have to wait for a receiver to be ready before you lay a hit on him.

Its nice having a great pass-rush, but at the cost of giving your injury-troubled, immobile QB a pocket to throw from? Thats some scary **** right there.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I liken this whole Mario thing to my basketball team, the Suns, making the decision to let go of Amare Stoudemire.

Both great, athletic masterpieces. Huge contributors, great players. Ultimately though, too much money, and too many questions. Injuries a problem, perceptions of not always playing hard, etc. Like Amare, Mario wants the guaranteed money, and that's just not feasible. You want to keep those guys on your team forever since they're so rare, but tough decisions have to be made. Ultimately, letting Amare go was the best thing for the team, as he looks a shell of himself (not due to no Nash, btw) in NY.

Let's just hope we do a better job replacing Mario than the Suns did replacing Amare, lol.
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yeah, b/c you know i was going to allude to how the Suns went completely in the crapper after he left.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree. Well, I would disagree with Wade, but I agree that Wade would be behind the re-signing.
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welsh texan said:
I'm a little worried about selling the farm for Mario though. Defense wins Championships? Not anymore, QB's win championships, we're in the era of the 5000 yard QB and rules that say you have to wait for a receiver to be ready before you lay a hit on him.

Its nice having a great pass-rush, but at the cost of giving your injury-troubled, immobile QB a pocket to throw from? Thats some scary **** right there.
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And what makes you so sure we will still have an injury-troubled, immobile QB? :D
 
welsh texan said:
I'm a little worried about selling the farm for Mario though. Defense wins Championships? Not anymore, QB's win championships, we're in the era of the 5000 yard QB and rules that say you have to wait for a receiver to be ready before you lay a hit on him.

Its nice having a great pass-rush, but at the cost of giving your injury-troubled, immobile QB a pocket to throw from? Thats some scary **** right there.
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Yep.

Keeping a luxury like Mario ain't an option. Especially when the Texans need some playmakers on offense. Two new WRs and a Gronk-esqe TE would be nice.
 
badboy said:
WHo is the center? If Briesel, who is RG?
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In that scenario I'd probably move Briesel to center and have an open competition at RG between Caldwell, Shelly Smith, and a rookie....I really like Zeitler...That dude is big and nasty...
 
Rey said:
In that scenario I'd probably move Briesel to center and have an open competition at RG between Caldwell, Shelly Smith, and a rookie....I really like Zeitler...That dude is big and nasty...
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We would probably have to move up in the second round get him but he would be worth it. How about as long as we are moving up we just do it in the first and take David DeCastro?
 
mussop said:
We would probably have to move up in the second round get him but he would be worth it. How about as long as we are moving up we just do it in the first and take David DeCastro?
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Trading down to the top of the 2nd would be the preferable thing to do. Lots of O-line talent in this draft, so having an extra 3rd would be very useful. Gonna have to trust Wary and their drafting abilities this year.
 
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