Mr teX
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Kind of a combo of both....Moreso Bama is that good on defense though. Nobody is going to tell me that Jefferson couldn't have put up a better performance against a decidedly lesser defense in OK. St.
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LSU vs Bama - National Championship Game
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Kind of a combo of both....Moreso Bama is that good on defense though. Nobody is going to tell me that Jefferson couldn't have put up a better performance against a decidedly lesser defense in OK. St.
I can't say for anybody else, but it's been pretty much the same for me over the years.
No matter what the system, collegiate football has a different kind of drama.
IMO, it best remains an amateur system. And an amateur system should have its inherent flaws (which is also the beauty of it.)
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
So basically you're saying your argument has no bearing or relevance on the discussion at hand (because you can't compare the Texans to this Bama team). I don't mind a defensive struggle...I just want to see everyone get a fair shake and it did not happen. Also please tell me where I said I "do not choose to enjoy the SB for such reason"...what are you talking about?
I don't have a problem with a defensive game... I simply want everybody to be given a chance. OK St..(and you can name a dozen other programs over the years) should've been given that chance.
We're talking about different things, because like I said, I don't care if it's a play-off system or a BCS system.
Given that we currently have a BCS system, this is a game that I have and I can choose to watch it or not (it will be the same thing if it's a play-off system.)
Your point is toward a play-off system.
My point is that I would choose to watch the game no matter what system.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Not really. Potent Offense meets Stellar Defense. We've seen that act before & usually what happens is the stellar defense wins.
People make the mistake thinking that a great defense has to completely shut down a potent offense to be able to win & that's simply not true. All a great defense has to do is slow the potent offense down enough to give its team a chance. They also make the mistake thinking the SEC doesn't have the same caliber athletes to run wide open offenses. SEC teams don't play offense like that b/c they don't have the athletes to play any other way. Its just their style imo.
How many pts. was Oklahoma putting up a game in 2009 when they ran into Florida in the NC a few years back?
How about the Coogs this past year before Southern Miss sat on them?
Ok. St. offense was great this year...but more than a few times they wound up needing every bit of those points to win; look no further than their bowl game against stanford. You don't think that Bama or LSU's defense could have at minimum cut thier PPG in half...especially with time to prepare?
Now flip it around...You don't think the athletes on either Bama or LSU's offense could've scored 25-30 pts on OSU's 61st ranked defense?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
What exactly do you find "amateur" about the current system?
High profile players are being paid and schools are making millions of these kids. The amateur system is a delusion and instituting a playoff system has nothing to do with their "amateur status". Are players that participate in march madness not "amateurs".
The current BCS system and a lack of a playoff system has nothing to do with "amateurism".
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Then what was the whole amateurism argument about? The BCS system has nothing to do with amateurism.
I will also continue to watch....just like I do with the NBA. I just will continue wanting more. Both games need a serious overhaul.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
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There's no argument from me.
I wish we can retain "as much of an amateur" system as we can, that's all.
You're right, I don't mean to underscore the Tigers offense.
Especially against the Cowboys.
euro-Texan
Rookie
Really? How old are you? I ask, because I understand most of the younger generation love TD-fests. It's ashame we can't get defenses like that in Texas. Wow! One of the best games I've ever watched.
Sure he could have put up a better performance, but what does that mean?
He played awful. He didn't make a play all game long. He didn't do anything but stumble his way through that game.
I understand Bama has a great defense, but I've seen QB's put up a much better fight than what Jefferson did.
LSU's defense is no slouch either and Bama's offense isn't exactly a wide open track meet either...But the QB had a better game and it seemed that Bama had a much better gameplan.
Mucho credit to Bama's defense...they rock...
But LSU's offensive effort was absolutely atrocious on just about all fronts. Jefferson played like ****. The offensive gameplan seemed strange from the get go.
I realize bama ended up putting 21 points on the board, but you do realize they could have won with just one field goal right?
LSU's offense sucked ass last night and that was not all because of Bama's defense. They sucked despite that.
That is sometimes true, but usually stellar offense atleast makes the game interesting...
euro-Texan
Rookie
A lot of people dont seem to get that people are not saying the game was boring as **** because it was low scoring, but because it was just a boring ass game. Watching a great defense play is exciting, IF they are playing an offense that has a chance. LSU's offense had no chance. Plus, Alabama's offense was barely able to do anything. It was just a boring game.
No I don't have to and I'm not going to.
Don't get my argument wrong. I'm not saying that LSU should have lit up the score board...
But to play as pathetic as they did last night?
No, that was not all Bama. LSU sucked last night. period.
RazorOye
Ayo
last night's game?
Doesn't even come close for me. Wasn't even the best Bowl Game in the Superdome featuring a Louisiana team this year.
Bama was superb on D. Played well b/w the 20s. LSU was laughable. In a game that was much more lopsided (Bama should've had more points, LSU fewer) than the final score, "best games" are usually the ones that feature some level of competition.
Last night's didn't. As an LSU fan, if the scores/performance had been reversed, it would not be "one of the best games I ever watched"
I didn't feel that the Giants/Falcons game this weekend was one of the best NFL playoff games I ever watched.
This.
Jefferson was putrid. It was evident from the first 3 series that were run the same way, that we needed to try something different on offense. That's not entirely on Jefferson, but as signal caller he bears a great deal of the blame. Poor decisions. Nothing downfield, even when WRs got open. Bobbled snaps. The OLine was atrocious. The gameplan was awful - actually, I like your word - "strange" - better. It was bizarre. And it never really changed.
Georgia Southern scored 21 points and ran for over 300 yards against Bama. An FCS team.
I'm not trying to take credit from Alabama - their defense played very, very well. But the offensive ineptitude was clear as well. Sloppy play. Poor blocking. Pre-snap penalties. Fumbled snaps. Lack of reads. Dropped balls. Etc.
Pretty much.
And really, I don't even mind how Bama's offense played. I would have liked to see them get more TD's, but LSU has a great defense too...But at least they were able to put some points on the board. At least they were able to had a game plan to move the ball.
LSU's defense was awesome last night considering their offense kept them on the field all game long. The blocked field goal....Holding Bama to field goals most of the game...IF LSU's offense would have showed up at all the game would have been a lot more fun to watch. That game could have been much worse in regards to the embarrasment level for LSU had Bama scored TD's instead of field goals. Bama's qb made some plays though to move the chains though...But LSU's defense is tough...
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Alabama was prepared to stop LSU by shutting down Jefferson option offense. Very will coached & executed by Alabama. Meanwhile a shell shocked Les Miles did not make any adjustments, just kept repeating mistakes over & over & over again. For God sake's implement a passing attack, change QB's, penetrate middle DO something different.
The only reason I suffered through this massacre was to scout the NFL Draft eligible talent, dominated by defense but did come away with one interesting thought that just may earn a spot in one of my mock drafts. Stay tuned.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
A perfect ending to a perfect format. 
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
What a dominating performance by Bama. Not only that, but they looked incredibly polished. McCarron was making pro-style throws, just fitting it in exactly where it had to be. Bama's defense is just so good. And Saban, he's a damn good coach.
Three thoughts I had throughout the game.
1. Alabama just looks so polished and poised.
2. I wonder what all the detractors that wanted LSU vs. Oklahoma St. are going to say.
3. Why in the hell did Miles keep trotting out Jefferson and not Lee!!?
I think the BCS got it right by placing the two best teams in the nation in this game. No it probably wasn't going to be as exciting, but they placed the two best teams. Now looking back at the game and how awful LSU looked, I'm thinking an Alabama vs. Oklahoma St. game would have been better. But there's no way the BCS could NOT put LSU in the NC.
Would love to have a playoff system. And I don't like the idea of 4 super conferences and the conference champion of each goes. We'd just have similar event like this year where Bama wouldn't get to go but LSU would.
Three thoughts I had throughout the game.
1. Alabama just looks so polished and poised.
2. I wonder what all the detractors that wanted LSU vs. Oklahoma St. are going to say.
3. Why in the hell did Miles keep trotting out Jefferson and not Lee!!?
I think the BCS got it right by placing the two best teams in the nation in this game. No it probably wasn't going to be as exciting, but they placed the two best teams. Now looking back at the game and how awful LSU looked, I'm thinking an Alabama vs. Oklahoma St. game would have been better. But there's no way the BCS could NOT put LSU in the NC.
Would love to have a playoff system. And I don't like the idea of 4 super conferences and the conference champion of each goes. We'd just have similar event like this year where Bama wouldn't get to go but LSU would.
Even though LSU was being totally dominated, I sat there figuring they would win 14-12 despite having less than 100 yards offense. Down 12-0, the LSU defense was giving the team the opportunity to win.
I was just waiting for the fumble recovery run for the TD or the punt return for a TD that never happened. One of the biggest plays of the game came when one of the LSU defenders blitzed, came in untouched and smacked McCarron. But McCarron held on to the ball and that was it. Alabama took LSU's biggest hit and did not flinch.
I was just waiting for the fumble recovery run for the TD or the punt return for a TD that never happened. One of the biggest plays of the game came when one of the LSU defenders blitzed, came in untouched and smacked McCarron. But McCarron held on to the ball and that was it. Alabama took LSU's biggest hit and did not flinch.
RazorOye
Ayo
It's going to be rough in the SEC West, for sure, in the coming years. The biggest encouragement I get as an LSU fan is that this year was not supposed to be "our year" - it was supposed to be next year and the coming ones.
The difference is the QBs of recent years vs. the QBs of the coming years. If they pan out, I like our chances. There's some dead space between Mettenberger (assuming he does work out) and Kiel (if he keeps his commitment and signs) - and I'm not sure who it will be. Lots of hype around the development/abilities of Jerrard Randall. And there's Stephen Rivers (Philip's younger brother) who stands tall in the pocket but is pretty skinny.
It certainly won't be easy, though.
I wish those rumors of Saban to UT had been true, though, lol
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Okie State vs. Stanford was the last good Bowl game we were getting this season.
Didn't watch much of this game as the first was boring was hell. Good defense but some of the worst offense I've ever seen.
The ESPN hyping really turned me off too. They tried to act like the first game was epic and this would be USC vs. Texas 2.0. I think the ratings for this are going to be low.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The game got a pathetic 13.8 rating
Pretty much what it deserved
Pretty much what it deserved
I'd be fine with that....
I remember back in the 90's when Dallas played SF in the conf championship game and both teams said that game felt like the actual superbowl....
I'm fine with that kind of format...If your conference play is basically like a tournament and if you don't win your conf then you can't be a part of the big 4 team bracket.
Doesn't matter if your conference happens to be the best...
But how it's set up now it would be like the NFL having said, SF and Dallas are the best two teams in the league...
We're going to skip over the AFC opponent and this will just be the superbowl.
Yeah...if those two teams played 4 times they may split those games, but with the 4 super conferences I think you'd have more of an NFL format except with so many teams going undefeated or having only one loss you'd put more emphasis on individual games.
If LSU and Alabama played a month from now, are you convinced that LSU would have no chance at winning that game?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I'd like to see the BCS still used for the new playoff system.
At the end of the year, teams ranked 1-8 by the BCS make the playoff.
The first round matches up teams 1&8, 2&7, 3&6, 4&5. These games are played in the current Sugar, Fiesta, Orange and Rose Bowl games (which could rotate seeds each year).
The winners of each game advance to the next round. Which would mean only 2 new bowl games are added to the current mix. This also allows for new or additional sponsorship opportunities and revenue for the NCAA and Conferences that advance. Semi-championship game 1 and Semi-championship game 2.
The winner of each semi-championship game advances to the BCS National Championship Game (currently in place).
This still makes the BCS relevant and matches the "best" teams together in a playoff scenario.
This year: (1) LSU (2) Alabama (3) Oklahoma St. (4) Stanford (5) Oregon (6) Arkansas (7) Boise St. (8) Kansas St.
Sugar Bowl: 1 LSU vs. 8 Kansas St.
Fiesta Bowl: 2 Alabama vs. 7 Boise St.
Orange Bowl: 3 Oklahoma St. vs. 6 Arkansas
Rose Bowl: 4 Stanford vs. 5 Oregon
SC 1: 1 LSU vs. 4 Stanford
SC 2: 2 Alabama vs. 3 Oklahoma St.
BCS National Championship: ??? Wow this would be fun.
At the end of the year, teams ranked 1-8 by the BCS make the playoff.
The first round matches up teams 1&8, 2&7, 3&6, 4&5. These games are played in the current Sugar, Fiesta, Orange and Rose Bowl games (which could rotate seeds each year).
The winners of each game advance to the next round. Which would mean only 2 new bowl games are added to the current mix. This also allows for new or additional sponsorship opportunities and revenue for the NCAA and Conferences that advance. Semi-championship game 1 and Semi-championship game 2.
The winner of each semi-championship game advances to the BCS National Championship Game (currently in place).
This still makes the BCS relevant and matches the "best" teams together in a playoff scenario.
This year: (1) LSU (2) Alabama (3) Oklahoma St. (4) Stanford (5) Oregon (6) Arkansas (7) Boise St. (8) Kansas St.
Sugar Bowl: 1 LSU vs. 8 Kansas St.
Fiesta Bowl: 2 Alabama vs. 7 Boise St.
Orange Bowl: 3 Oklahoma St. vs. 6 Arkansas
Rose Bowl: 4 Stanford vs. 5 Oregon
SC 1: 1 LSU vs. 4 Stanford
SC 2: 2 Alabama vs. 3 Oklahoma St.
BCS National Championship: ??? Wow this would be fun.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I see why Alabama says "roll tide" that's EXACTLY what they did to LSU. Damn...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'm not trying to hear it. People know that the 2 best teams in the nation played last night, but b/c there was another team that they would've liked to have seen play to make it more "entertaining", it's a problem.
The reality is that the same people up in arms about Okie St. not getting a shot at the NC even though they had the same record as Bama are the same people that will categorically dismiss teams like Boise State & U of H...............even though they had the exact same record & exciting offenses as well;
& This is my main gripe with the BCS and college football in general. the litte conferences, through no fault of their own, will always be on the outside looking in no matter what the format is...short of a 24 team playoff anyway.
In NCAA basketball, most teams that get chosen for the field of 64 enter that tourney on completely level grounds; every team has the same shot at making it to the championship game regardless of who you played to get in & what conference you're apart of; none of that matters.......for the most part.
We all know what the score is for college football teams not in an AQ conferences. You have to:
-go undefeated.
-play a hellified OC schedule in which case noone decent will want to risk losing to you if you're any good.
- Win your games in blowout fashion..any down game where you only win by 10 pts folks will say "but they only beat ________ by this in their weak conference.."
And all of this is just to be considered to be able to be a BCS worthy team. Sure, you say, every team has to go through that to be considered..this is true, but non-aq schools are judged much more harshly if they somehow don't completely satisfy the above conditions & even if they do, there's still no chance they'll get to play for the NC and still a very good chance that they will be past over for a BCS conference bid.
Stop making assumptions.
I wanted to see them play again.
I commented on LSU's terrible offensive showing and how they made the game hard to watch because of it.
No need to read between the lines when I laid it out plain as day for you.
Yes Bama had a great defensive showing, but LSU did nothing offensively. Nothing. They didn't put up a fight at all. Just about any college offense could have done what they did.
Had it not been for their stellar defense on the other side this game would have been super ugly.
I did not want to see OLKA st...don't care anything about them...
I'm commenting on this game and it's lack of interest.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
One of the most boring games I've watched.
BCS system needs to change.
BCS system needs to change.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
that part wasn't directed at you per se..just those who think that OSU should've been in the game over Bama b/c they put up points & the assumption that it would've made the game more entertaining b/c of their offense. It could've..but it also could've turned into OU vs. USC 2004 too.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
If you think that the only reason "some people" wanted to see Ok ST is due to the fact that they put up points, then you clearly missed or just flat out ignored the entire argument, because that wasn't the only point made.
RazorOye
Ayo
agree on both counts
I actually turned it off early. Maybe that hurts my LSU football fan cred, but at the beginning of the 4th quarter, down only two scores, and facing a 3rd and 4 in decent field position (our own 40 yd line), the play is to hand it off to the upback for a 1 yard goal-line-style collapse when we needed 4 yards. All those offensive players recruited and that's what you won?
I felt like the coaches had given up at that point. Even if they hadn't, I didn't want to see what else they had in store.
It was boring.
As for the second, the most talk about BCS changes than I've ever heard is coming out in recent hours.
e.g. from Businessweek
The BCS as we know it is going away
the AP reported that "50 to 60 possibilities for various changes were presented"
This first step might not be what we'd like. The Big Ten commissioner has said he didn't support a +1 playoff because it be a "slippery slope" that would lead to a real playoff.
Personally, I hope he's right.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Finally.. A plus one is a lesser evil and I'll take that for now.
I also like the idea of getting rid of automatic bids...maybe we'll see more schools like Houston and Boise St in the big bowl games.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I called it. Snooze Bowl 2012. I was so glad I had to work, because I might have been tempted to turn the game on and watch.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
I was in the same boat. I'm glad Bama won though
RazorOye
Ayo
I wish I'd have made the decision to go to bed sooner.
Up at 4:30 to freeze my ass off for a run... I could've used the zzzzzz's
I don't agree with that. I don't believe Stanford should have been in the title game. & I don't think Alabama is the #2 team in the country. I like OSU as #2. Not because I think it would have been more entertaining, but because I think they are a better team than Alabama.
LSU never had a potent offense. They had a opportunistic offense, that for most of the season took advantage of turnovers and great field position to score points. But, they were never potent. And I'm not suggesting that Jarrett Lee is a great, or even good, QB. But he did move the ball better than Jefferson. The switch full time to Jefferson was a horrible call by Miles (who should have realized that after the SEC Championship game). That Miles never recruited anyone better than Lee or Jefferson is why Bama is holding the BCS trophy.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I think it's pathetic that they would change the BcS and only make it a plus one game. If you're going to change it, than fix the damn thing completely. The BcS has been so trash over the years that I just lost a lot of interest in college football once again. A lot of it has to do with not being able to devote my Saturday and my Sunday to football, but I just hate all of the politics and bull**** that has to do with college football. I always laugh when certain die hard college fans try putting up that ridiculous argument that college football is better than the NFL. They'll never be on the same level unless they adopt a full playoff tournament with at least 8 to 16 teams or something like that.
texanhead08
All Pro
Stanford didn't even win their division of their conference just like Alabama. I don't think they should have been in the game, but Okie Light kind of screwed their selves in this argument by losing to frigging Iowa St.
I have wondered the past 4yrs how a team with 4 and 5 star players at every other position could keep running out Jefferson or Lee at QB. Those guys wouldn't deserve to start at a Sun Belt school and they were the starting QB's at ****ing LSU. You have got to be kidding me.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I paid attention to your argument, it just doesn't make much sense.
For 1 the BCS crap affects every team except for Notre Dame.
#2 why would more fans want to watch a game with Okie St. in it more than a game with Bama in it? I doubt casual fans would care any more than they normally would b/c OK St isn't exactly notre dame; & hardcore fans would likely watch anyway.
#3 the whole BCS angle of your argument could be made for teams with similar records.
So then all it becomes why Ok. St. over Boise? Or why Ok. St over U of H etc...
#4 If a team wasn't elgible to play in the NC b/c they didn't win their conference you arguably would have more problems as you'd be forced to only pick teams that won their conference...& as we know the team who wins the conference isn't always the better team. see K-State in 2003, OU in 2010 who basically got to the big 12 title game off of a seemingly ridiculous tiebreaker at the time. That's not even taking into account the scenarios where the 2 best teams in a particular conference are in the same division but don't get the chance to battle it out in the conference championship...see Texas & OU every damn year & most recently Bama & LSU 2011. Hell, just eliminating that would do alot of the sorting for the BCS.
Anyway, Once you get past these 4 things (especially #3 & 4) then it justs a matter of preference in which case you're getting away from what should be the ultimate goal in the 1st place..matching the 2 best teams against 1 another.
Yes, the BCS is garbage but i can't say that it truly failed this year b/c the 2 best teams in the nation did get matched up..it just happened to be a rematch.
LonerATO
All Pro
The same OKST team that beat A&M by one point, the same OKST team that barely beat K State and the same OKST team that lost to ISU? I'm sure they are better than Alabama. I am no supporter of the SEC, but I do believe the two best teams played last night. After OU got blown out by USC in 04, Auburn was saying that they should have been in that game and not OU. Auburn did get co-national championship, but no one remembers them for having that because they never played in the game.
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RazorOye
Ayo
this is what every LSU fan, everywhere has also wondered.
I think they felt that Ryan Perriloux was going to be that QB - but we see how that turned out. Ouch...
Since then? Jefferson? Lee? Hatch? it's been pretty painful. Why recruit playmakers and not get someone who can get the ball to them?
Message received.
It's why they pressed so hard for JUCO transfer Zach Mettenberger (from UGA who'd beat out Aaron Murray before he was dismissed). It's why they recruited Rivers and Randall. It's why they put the full court press on Gunner Kiel and woo'd him from Notre Dame. He's our most hyped QB prospect ever.
Hopefully that QB tide is turning and we can turn back Alabama's tide in the coming years
Blake
MMQB
Question. Lets say in a parallel universe, OKST made the big dance vs. LSU or Alabama and OKST won. How would you feel about them? How would you rank the top 3 teams?
I feel there is no way to tell who are the best 2 teams in a season. The outcome of a single game only shows you who was the best team that night. Nothing more. Rather than ranking them 1-10, I would say the top 10 teams are 5 star teams. They all have the ability to win vs. any team in the nation.
Football is a horse of a different color. You get very few games to prove yourself. The NBA and NHL play multiple 7 game series. There is little doubt of who the cream of the crop is after a team wins 3 series. Obviously not an option for Football. We just have to fill in the gaps with our own assumptions. And frankly that leaves alot to be desired.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
if u say that then u have to dismiss the NCAA b-ball champs too b/ c they only get to play 1 game for all the marbles. Yet we dont say that b/c march madness champs r crowned through a tourney format. if we had the same format in college football & we still had the same rematch championship game, i wonder if people would be up in arms then.
Mr Tex...What exactly is your argument here?
Are you saying that you like the current format as is?
I'm honestly curious because I have lost track of what is exactly being debated here...
Blake
MMQB
Yeah bball is kinda in the same group. I think the NHL and NBA do the best job of forcing the cream of the crop to rise with their playoff format, and I do understand that a best of 7 is not pheasable in football.
On the other hand, a one and done format makes for more excitement, and an anything can happen atmosphere. The only downside is that you wont have the favored team win and advance every-time.