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12. Matt Schaub
Porn name: Luke Warm. Can you remember an above-average QB provoking less opinion over a longer period of time? If I effusively praised Schaub, you'd think this was bizarre. If I attacked him, you'd also think this was bizarre. If I told you, "Did you know Matt Schaub has started 61 games and only won three in a row three times?" (true by the way), you wouldn't be shocked. Houston flipped two second-rounders for him five years ago, got a solid QB out of it … and you never hear that trade mentioned as a steal, a bust, anything. When he goes in fantasy drafts or auctions, nobody ever says anything; you just kinda nod and move on. I could see him finishing his career two games over .500 with no playoff wins, and then Houston retiring his number and not being able to fully form an opinion about it.
 
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It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...
 
HJam72 said:
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...
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i agree with this. I dont agree with the whole statment above but mainly the first part of it. I do believe we will win a superbowl with him however.
 
To the trade that brought Schaub to Houston - Two #2's for what I consider to be a "Solid starting NFL QB" Not bad , not great. He's has a coach and system that works within his limitations.

It was neither a steal nor a bust. I dont think the Texans overpaid nor did they get less than they paid for.
 
Corrosion said:
To the trade that brought Schaub to Houston - Two #2's for what I consider to be a "Solid starting NFL QB" Not bad , not great. He's has a coach and system that works within his limitations.

It was neither a steal nor a bust. I dont think the Texans overpaid nor did they get less than they paid for.
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May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.
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The Raiders will give up a 1 and a conditional pick either a 1 or a 2 pending they win a playoff game.
I think Palmer was a better QB than Schaub is today earlier in his career .... I dont know what he is today but I think the Raiders gave up more than they had to and probably more than the guy is worth.

They have no one to check their coaches decisions .... I think they overpaid.
 
2 #2's is actually a pretty good trade for a guy who's really solid. I still get the impression that apart from #80, everybody on our offense is a product of the system to some extent or another.

The likes of Foster and OD have great talent and are perfect fits for that system, but the point stands with them to an extent.

I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.
 
welsh texan said:
2 #2's is actually a pretty good trade for a guy who's really solid. I still get the impression that apart from #80, everybody on our offense is a product of the system to some extent or another.

The likes of Foster and OD have great talent and are perfect fits for that system, but the point stands with them to an extent.

I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.
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Yep, and we are going to have to get pretty lucky to get a QB better than Schaub on our first try.
 
HJam72 said:
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...
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Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
 
welsh texan said:
I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.
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I agree. I believe our top priorities should be WR, DT, QB,CB

But knowing us we will think Yates is the future.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
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This is the statement I agree with most.

Schaub isn't the type of qb that you put on a team and know they are going to the play offs as long as he's healthy.

But he does have valuable skills that can be utilized.
 
I don't think we will truly know what Schaub can or can't do in the playoffs until he actually gets there. The Texas need to find out, because 2012 is the last season on his contract. Schaub has not been the major hinderment in reaching the playoffs. We will see if he becomes the largest impediment in becoming a championship team.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
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I don't think we quite measure up talent wise for each position, but you're close...but the 1 thing that stands out clearly is HC Jimmy Johnson, DC Dave Wannstedt, OC Norv Turner plus Assts Butch Davis and Dave Campo...their staff worked amazing together during that span. This is no knock on our staff nor a bash Kubiak statesmen. Anywho Schaub is more than serviceable to win with even with mistakes (everyone makes them). Plus we all know he is not the playmaker that Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Helmuthead or Big Ben. But he is ours and I will support that even if I get pissed and his play at times, I think most of us feel that way.
 
You set expectations pretty high with this thread title, but I guess it's just accurate enough.

I wonder what kind of QB Schaub would be under a coach that took more risk and improvisation with the play calling. Maybe better, maybe worse. I definitely wondered what he'd look like on another team after the Raiders game.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. ...
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Clearly didn't watch the Cowboys closely back then.

The cast which got Aikman to the playoffs, relied on him in the playoffs.
 
infantrycak said:
Clearly didn't watch the Cowboys closely back then.

The cast which got Aikman to the playoffs, relied on him in the playoffs.
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Clearly didn't understand a thing I said.

If we get into the play-offs, we're going to be pretty reliant on Matt, but we're going to be just as reliant on AJ, Foster, OD, the OL, & the defense. The sum of the parts being greater than the whole. The exact opposite of what we see going on in Indy.
 
Matt Schaub should be in anyone's top ten list of active QBs, probably below fifth postion. That's good enough for me considering some of the active starters right now. And I agree, the two second round picks we gave up for him were worth it.

In the system he plays in, Schaub is more than capable of winning a Super Bowl with the talent around him. Maybe someday we'll see that.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Oakland ALWAYS gets robbed, I wish Smith could do that some day. I always blamed Al, I don't know who brokered the Palmer trade.
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When I heard about the Palmer trade one the radio while driving the car (after I tried to not crash the car from shock), I later sent the following text to a buddy of mine who grew up watching the Radiers: "Al Davis is gone, but the Raiders are still doing terrible trades. Good grief."

That Palmer trade was one of the worst I've ever seen.

As for Schaub, I think we made a good deal. Let's not forget that other teams were after him pretty aggressively. The Falcon's knew they had a talented back-up, and they had Michael Vick starting at the time, so they were content to just let teams slobber over Schaub and make them an offer.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
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Agree with you.

But, you also need to look at their head coach. Read "Boys Will Be Boys." Jimmy Johnson is one of the most brilliant football minds that has ever lived. I know that's a dramatic statement, but it's true.
 
I have heard the Aikmen comparison from a few coaches.

Schaub's biggest problem has been Kubiak's cronyism coaches.
 
houstonspartan said:
When I heard about the Palmer trade one the radio while driving the car (after I tried to not crash the car from shock), I later sent the following text to a buddy of mine who grew up watching the Radiers: "Al Davis is gone, but the Raiders are still doing terrible trades. Good grief."

That Palmer trade was one of the worst I've ever seen.
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First, that distinction belongs to the Saints when Ditka traded all of the Saints' 1999 draft picks to get Williams, as well as a 1st and 3rd pick the following year.

Second, I don't think we can assess that trade until Palmer gets into playing form. If he's the pro bowl quality C.P. of '05 and '06 it's a good deal. If he's the latter day C.P. then the Raiders got robbed. We'll see; he's had all year to get fully healthy.
 
ObsiWan said:
First, that distinction belongs to the Saints when Ditka traded all of the Saints' 1999 draft picks to get Williams, as well as a 1st and 3rd pick the following year.

Second, I don't think we can assess that trade until Palmer gets into playing form. If he's the pro bowl quality C.P. of '05 and '06 it's a good deal. If he's the latter day C.P. then the Raiders got robbed. We'll see; he's had all year to get fully healthy.
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I didn't say it was THE worst trade I have ever seen. It was ONE OF THE WORST I have ever seen.

Even if he's pro-bowl quality C.P., I just don't see him being worth two first round picks. I just don't. But that's my opinion.
 
ObsiWan said:
First, that distinction belongs to the Saints when Ditka traded all of the Saints' 1999 draft picks to get Williams, as well as a 1st and 3rd pick the following year.

Second, I don't think we can assess that trade until Palmer gets into playing form. If he's the pro bowl quality C.P. of '05 and '06 it's a good deal. If he's the latter day C.P. then the Raiders got robbed. We'll see; he's had all year to get fully healthy.
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If the Raiders don't make the play-offs, the Raiders got robbed. With San Diego & Kansas City making a play-off run themselves, that might prove to be pretty difficult.

Losing 6 games will more than likely be too many for the AFC West division title.. they've already lost three. If Carson Palmer is going to get back to quality play, he better do it quick.
 
houstonspartan said:
I didn't say it was THE worst trade I have ever seen. It was ONE OF THE WORST I have ever seen.

Even if he's pro-bowl quality C.P., I just don't see him being worth two first round picks. I just don't. But that's my opinion.
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Fair enough. And you could be absolutely right depending on which C.P. we see.
Speaking opinions, I think the Raiders just flat panicked when Jason Campbell went down and David Garrard was unavailable. They were in the hunt for the division lead and then they lost their big armed QB. Yikes!
 
TejasTom said:
Which? Compared Schaub to Aikmen or cronyism?

If it's cronyism, JJ had smarter friends. I'm not against cronyism if people are qualified. GK's friends obviously were not qualified.
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Agreed, but you couldn't have known that until after the fact.
 
semi-related hate on Schaub:

Texans: Matt Schaub - Mint Berry Crunch


For the past few years, ESPN has been treating the Texans and Matt Schaub as their little darlings who are just BOUND to secure the AFC South and go on to do wonders in the playoffs. Schaub, while maybe good enough to possibly get you into the playoffs, is not the key guy to get you through to the promised land. Just like Mint Berry Crunch learns when the superheroes in Southpark meet up to talk strategy. Sooner or later, Schaub and the Texans will come to Cartman’s reality....
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Other than that, it's a pretty fun article giving each starting QB a super hero counter-part. I debated on whether or not to start a thread about it and decided against it.
 
Allstar said:
semi-related hate on Schaub:



Other than that, it's a pretty fun article giving each starting QB a super hero counter-part. I debated on whether or not to start a thread about it and decided against it.
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Sanchez; the Human Tourch??

Fitzpatrick is Flash Gordon?

Tebow is Batman, Cassell is Captain Marvel, even Painter gets to be the Iceman... this sucks.. (pretty funny) but sucks that Schaub is MintBerry Crunch??!? c'mon.......

:toropalm:
 
How about; Daredevil?
daredevil.jpg


Daredevil is missing something you'd think is very important to a super hero... eyesight.

But his other senses more than make up for it, making him a man without fear.
 
thunderkyss said:
How about; Daredevil?
daredevil.jpg


Daredevil is missing something you'd think is very important to a super hero... eyesight.

But his other senses more than make up for it, making him a man without fear.
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Schaub as "The Man Without Fear".....

ummm... not the way he folds in the face of a hit. I would give young Brett Favre that handle.

If you consider Foster, Casey, A.J., Tate, O.D., K.W, and J.J. as gadgets in his utility belt I could go with Batman. Take away that belt and he's only human. Then again, Batman, being the "World's Greatest Detective", could figure out the weakness of every opponent and call his own plays...

I know! Henry Pym.

Sometimes Schaub plays like Giant Man other times he plays like Ant Man.
And like Henry Pym, while he's an important team member, he's not the baddest dude on the team.
:D
 
HJam72 said:
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...
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The real reason for the 3 in a row thingy is 2 words

Gary Kubiak
 
gwallaia said:
Does Schaub ever audible?
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Depends on what you mean by "audible."

Every play that's called is actually a couple of plays: the main play and one or two alternatives. When Schaub gets to the line, he can read the defense and switch to one of the other plays if they're in the wrong defense. The way the offense is designed, it's supposed to be able to handle/react to different defenses and still be successful.

So it's not like he goes up and has the whole playbook at his fingertips.
 
Bad Matt showed up again, today. That's good enough to beat Blaine Gabbert. Probably Colt McCoy. It won't be good enough when facing Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, or even Andy Dalton. Schaub has to step it up.
 
he over threw alot today, you think maybe because he is used to throwing those to AJ and he could pull them in ??? i dunno a lot of overthrows though.
 
Well, it looks like OD needs to work on his routes a little more. He was taking them one step to far, making it look like Schaub was underthrowing him.

I will say, this was Schaub's third game, in a row, without an INT......
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Depends on what you mean by "audible."

Every play that's called is actually a couple of plays: the main play and one or two alternatives. When Schaub gets to the line, he can read the defense and switch to one of the other plays if they're in the wrong defense. The way the offense is designed, it's supposed to be able to handle/react to different defenses and still be successful.

So it's not like he goes up and has the whole playbook at his fingertips.
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I don't think it's "every play".

Maybe a few times during the game they give him that option, but I dont think schaub has the option to change any play when he walks to the line.
 
Rey said:
I don't think it's "every play".

Maybe a few times during the game they give him that option, but I dont think schaub has the option to change any play when he walks to the line.
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From Kubiak's press conferences and his explanation of the whole "audible" thing, it has sounded like every play is set up that way to me. Kubiak doesn't call the "audibles".
 
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