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The Suck for Luck race
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b0ng
Bad Hombre
Probably goes in the College Forum, but lets just take a look at something awesome that Andrew Luck did one time in college:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9PFJI_t5I
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMz9nwy7yYc
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zuBoOarPMQ
If you don't know about Andrew Luck all I can tell you is this:
Almost every QB coming out of college in the last decade has had a "but". I'll go down the list:
Cam Newton: Great College Career but, he only had 1 year of production and played in a mostly run based system
Sam Bradford: Great College Career but, had a pretty bad injury leading up to the draft. Also played in a spread system so it's hard to judge his numbers.
Matt Stafford: See Sam Bradford
Matt Ryan: Didn't really produce that well at Boston College
Aaron Rodgers: Tedford QB, of which many before him had busted
Alex Smith: Played in a spread
Basically all QB's who are really good end up getting picked apart even before the actual draft speculation starts, but this guy Luck, it's really hard to find the "but"s in his game. He's got the size, he's got the mechanics, he's supposedly a football fanatic, nothing in his background that screams "headcase" nothing. The guy has been everything that you could want in a QB for his college career and it's stunning to watch him play. He looks like Peyton Manning circa 2006 playing against little kids out there.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Few things:
1.) Bush was a running back in college and Andrew Luck is a Quarter Back in college. I know you don't watch college ball so I'll just put that as number one.
2.) Bush played in a spread offense and got many upon many of his yards coming out of spread formations with 4 WR's.
3.) LenDale White also played for USC at the same time as Bush and was considered the "power" back who picked up the tough yards against 8 and 9 in the box.
4.) How much Bush was hyped during the draft process has little to nothing to do with how much hype Andrew Luck has gotten.
5.) Yes Luck could suck ass in the NFL, however, as far as prospects go, you have to go back to the late 90's to find a guy who has as few negative qualities about his play as Andrew Luck (That prospect of course, was Peyton Manning). Andrew Luck's hype seems pretty well deserved. I've watched about 5 or 6 Stanford games with him over the last 2 seasons and the guy is phenominal. I'm not a great judge of QB play at the college level, but he is really damned good at the college level and will most assuredly go #1 overall in the 2012 draft.
Unless somebody finds like dead hookers in the trunk of his car or something like that.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Sorry I shouldn't have been so harsh.
But yeah, his hype is warranted. Stanford plays a pro-scheme where Luck spends a lot of his snaps under center. He makes great decisions, has text book mechanics, great touch, is like an amoeba in the pocket, and is for all intents and purposes, a gigantic football crazyperson. If the Texans were picking #1 overall this year, like they were for the year Bush came out, you probably wouldn't hear a peep about how some people don't want Luck, like you heard about Bush on here.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I don't know how anyone who has watched him play not want him. This isn't a pass but geebus, he's fast and strong on top of that great arm.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Video was posted in the first response to the original post. yaaaay.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
All this being said, no, there is no garuntee that he will be a good NFL player. But with players like David Carr going #1 overall in previous drafts, yeah, he's going to get picked at the top and it's very likely that he's going to be a very good NFL QB in what will probably be a short amount of time.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Unless he decides to stay in school one more year to finish his degree.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I don't think he was red-shirted as a freshman so I'm not sure if he would have any NCAA eligibility left he decided to go back to school to finish his degree.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Here's a pretty good highlight reel of Luck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaOEph_vKM&feature=related
He's awesome. Undeniably the best QB prospect since Manning and as Bong said, has no issues with his game. There isn't much to criticize with him, as you can see him throw from the pocket, on the run, out of a bootleg, accurate all distances up to 50 yards. The guy is incredible, and I won't fault any team that trades their entire 2012 draft + 2013 1st/2nd/3rd to get the first pick this year to take Luck. I hope the Texans are willing to do something like that and ship off Schaub in the process, because this guy is a future Hall of Fame'r.
In the words of Brian Regan, TAKE LUCK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9do7HRaGd00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaOEph_vKM&feature=related
He's awesome. Undeniably the best QB prospect since Manning and as Bong said, has no issues with his game. There isn't much to criticize with him, as you can see him throw from the pocket, on the run, out of a bootleg, accurate all distances up to 50 yards. The guy is incredible, and I won't fault any team that trades their entire 2012 draft + 2013 1st/2nd/3rd to get the first pick this year to take Luck. I hope the Texans are willing to do something like that and ship off Schaub in the process, because this guy is a future Hall of Fame'r.
In the words of Brian Regan, TAKE LUCK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9do7HRaGd00
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Luck red shirted his freshman 2008 season.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I've been doing that second part of your post since the Colts lost to the Chiefs. I am pretty mortified at the prospect of the Colts getting a guy like Luck and him terrorizing the AFCS like Manning has done for what seems like forever.
bah007
Hall of Fame
The only QB I've ever scouted who was even close to Luck as a NFL prospect is Manning. Granted, I'm not a professional and I've had my share of misses.
The more I see Luck, the more I think he's the best college QB I've ever seen, in terms of how he projects to the NFL.
I get the Reggie Bush comparison in terms of hype. But the Bush hype was completely unfounded in my opinion. I had the guy rated as a 3rd round draft pick the year he came out. Bush was a slot WR lining up as a HB. And despite his incredible stats, the only thing he had going for him was that he was just a better athlete than the guys he played against. His entire skill set was based around that. And I thought at the time (and have been proved right since), that once he got to a place where everyone else was just as good an athlete as him (the NFL) he would not be a very successful player. He is a great situational player, but anybody who projected him to be a full time player at HB was just blinded to the facts by his athleticism.
Luck is more than that. Not only is he a better athlete than everybody he plays against, but he is also the smartest guy on the field (a great trait to have as a QB). He also outworks and outhustles everybody on the field. Plus, he has an elite skill set for the position and an uncanny awareness of what is going on around him.
In short, I have a man crush on the guy. He is the surest thing I've ever seen at QB.
The more I see Luck, the more I think he's the best college QB I've ever seen, in terms of how he projects to the NFL.
I get the Reggie Bush comparison in terms of hype. But the Bush hype was completely unfounded in my opinion. I had the guy rated as a 3rd round draft pick the year he came out. Bush was a slot WR lining up as a HB. And despite his incredible stats, the only thing he had going for him was that he was just a better athlete than the guys he played against. His entire skill set was based around that. And I thought at the time (and have been proved right since), that once he got to a place where everyone else was just as good an athlete as him (the NFL) he would not be a very successful player. He is a great situational player, but anybody who projected him to be a full time player at HB was just blinded to the facts by his athleticism.
Luck is more than that. Not only is he a better athlete than everybody he plays against, but he is also the smartest guy on the field (a great trait to have as a QB). He also outworks and outhustles everybody on the field. Plus, he has an elite skill set for the position and an uncanny awareness of what is going on around him.
In short, I have a man crush on the guy. He is the surest thing I've ever seen at QB.
Bush is the most overhyped and overrated player to come out of college football. Ever ! This is the guy who wqs supposed to be the next barry Sanders and Walter Peyton all rolled into one.
MNF on ESN led with "Rggie Bush and Dolphins" visit the Jets in NY is the wasy they introded mondays game.
Name a player coming out of his Draft class who gets the hype and recognition that he does ? Outstanding players from that class like Ngata, Mario, Jones-Drew, and Cutler are far less known by fans and sponsers than Bush and yet each far more talented and valuable players. Even today 6 years after that Draft class when it's perfectly clear that Bush is monotonously mediocre, he's still hyped. I don't get it ?
bah007
Hall of Fame
ESPN will continue to hype him as long as he is in the league. To not do so would be admitting that they were wrong about him when every single one of their "analysts" projected him to be a Hall of Famer before he had even finished his college career.
eriadoc
Texan-American
It wasn't that hard to find people who prognosticated a much more reasonable future for Reggie Bush. I posted here more than a few times that I didn't think he'd be great. I called him the next Eric Metcalf, which was praise, but not on the level of Gale Sayers. As it turns out, I was being too kind.
I haven't seen anyone find any warts in Luck's game. If there were any way the Texans could possibly get him (there isn't), I'd love to see it. He truly is the best prospect since Manning.
burro
probably drunk
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, because he seems like a good person and not an egotistical head case like certain other 1st Round QBs of recent memory, but doesn't something just seem to good to be true about Luck? In a way, I actually feel bad for him. It's going to be hard to live up to what sports media is making him out to be. Unless he's on Tom Brady's level or better by his sophomore year, there will be those who call him a bust.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Daddy is an ex-NFL QB so he's gonna be prepared like Archie Manning prepared his Sons. Luck is far more talented than either of those kids coming out of College. Crazy as that sounds.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Hell, he might have Peyton Manning teaching him for a year or two before he takes over the Colts.
drs23
Veteran
Then Bob needs to do a Ditka.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
FYI, Stanford is playing Washington tonight on ABC/ESPN3. If you want to get a good luck at Look, then this may be an opportunity. If you're in the Big 12 market area, it will likely be OU/TT, but many can see it on the ESPN3 website. If you have ATT internet, or any of the other hundreds of ISPs listed, you should be able to stream it for free. I use this all the time thanks to my ATT uverse account. Go here to log in if you can:
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/source/espn3/id/0/
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/source/espn3/id/0/
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Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
This
I think if you are looking for instant results, Luck may have to fall in perfect situation. He could pull an Eli Manning and orchestrate his move to a good team also. He has been asked the question and he has been evasive and non-committal.
I think he will end up playing where drafted or being traded willfully by a team who sucked but already has a franchiseQB (Rams, Panthers, Vikes, Jags, Colts?)
Personally, I'd like to see Luck end up in Houston or Dallas. Probably not gonna happen. If he isn't coming to Houston, I would prefer him to go to NFC. If Rams get pick maybe they could keep Luck and trade Bradford. To Dallas. Somewhat local kid who grew up a Cowboys fan. Romo needs to go. Trade him for a pack of smokes.
Whoever drafts him is going to get a very good prospect, that is for sure. And the pressure that comes with it.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Link for the game: http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/87628/1/watch-washington-vs-stanford.html
Check out Luck, he's awesome.
Check out Luck, he's awesome.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Is Luck really that good? Sure, from the games I've watched, he doesn't make mistakes and is a good passer but I've seen plenty of good college quarterbacks, some better than Luck. Hell, Nick Foles and even Seth Dodge impressed me today!
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Who have you seen that has been better than Luck in the last 10 years?
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Some organizations just have all the luck. I mean really??? Manning, one of the greatest QBs of all time plays 20 friggin years in a row w out missing a game, then gets hurt for an entire season and it just so happens to be the same year a QB like this is available and they reap huge rewards.
Remember when the Spurs lost Robinson for the season and they end up getting Tim Duncan because of it? These events shape organizations for decades.
Remember when the Spurs lost Robinson for the season and they end up getting Tim Duncan because of it? These events shape organizations for decades.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
I just had a random thought.
Some team wins the suck for luck sweepstakes. Their fan base spends all spring consoling themselves with the fact that at least they get luck. During the draft, their team picks someone else. That would produce an EPIC message board meltdown.
Some team wins the suck for luck sweepstakes. Their fan base spends all spring consoling themselves with the fact that at least they get luck. During the draft, their team picks someone else. That would produce an EPIC message board meltdown.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It will be like the Texans picking Mario over VY times 50.
TexCanada
All Pro
I'm sure this has been entertained before (and maybe dismissed), but its possible that Indy could trade the top pick if they get get. Just imagine what kind of a package some team would put together to get this guy. I'm sure teams would be willing to give up their entire draft plus some of next years too.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Maybe because I haven't watched a lot of Luck games but I felt that Bradford was a better QB than Luck.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I had Bradford rated higher than most people when he came out and even I think Luck is way better.
His floor and ceiling are both way higher.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I think they'd be better off doing that if they could. What we're seeing this year isn't just the result of Peyton Manning not being in there. That team has real problems. Skill positions are fine (if under performing because of their QB situation) but they have no depth and their lines are crap. They have the look of a team that's been standing pat for too long. I'd bet that if Manning were playing this year they'd still be at or under .500
They've been due a serious rebuilding cycle and this is it. It just looks even worse without Manning.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
The David Robinson comparison was exactly what I thought of. They have an abysmal year and add Duncan. Instant recharge.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think I'm rooting for NC to have first pick. They have so much tied up in Cam Newton they could trade first round pick and with correct selections could become SB contenders.
Texans have so many holes to fill to give up much unless they makes trades. For example they trade Mario to New England for 1st and a 2nd.
They trade Schaub to Dolphins for a 1st in 2012 and 1st in 2013.
Texans offer Panthers the Dolphins 2012 first, Texans own first and Texans 2013 first and Dolphins 2013 first round selections for the first pick 2012 draft.
Texans draft Andrew Luck 1st pick. They use the NE first to select NT Dontari Poe (should be 30-32).
2nd (Texans) WR Kendall Wright
2nd (N.E.) CB Casey Hayward
3rd RG Kevin Zeitler Wisconsin
4th SS/FS/CB Winston Guy
5th C/RT/OG Blake Baylor.
Texans have so many holes to fill to give up much unless they makes trades. For example they trade Mario to New England for 1st and a 2nd.
They trade Schaub to Dolphins for a 1st in 2012 and 1st in 2013.
Texans offer Panthers the Dolphins 2012 first, Texans own first and Texans 2013 first and Dolphins 2013 first round selections for the first pick 2012 draft.
Texans draft Andrew Luck 1st pick. They use the NE first to select NT Dontari Poe (should be 30-32).
2nd (Texans) WR Kendall Wright
2nd (N.E.) CB Casey Hayward
3rd RG Kevin Zeitler Wisconsin
4th SS/FS/CB Winston Guy
5th C/RT/OG Blake Baylor.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
The only way Luck comes here is if he forces his way here ala Eli Manning.
His dad is a Houston guy but did he grow up a Texans fan?
I am fine with Matt. Matt has been part of the reason things have turned around offensively since he got here.
Far from perfect but we have bigger deficiencies to address
No one is giving a single 1st round pick for Schaub. Much less two. With one being a top 5 pick.
Mario is worth more than a low 1st (maybe the lowest) and 2nd.
And Andrew Luck is only coming to Houston if his team has a road game versus the Texans.
Blake
MMQB
Jeff Saturday says Colts were out-coached by the Saints.
Kendall Langford & Tony McDaniel say the Dolphin coaches called an incorrect defense on the Denver 2 point conversion.
If that doesnt sound like 2 coaching staff's workign their tail's off to lose games then I dont know what does. They say there is no way a player would put that much work into a season to tank it. Well apparently the coaches are OK with it.
I heard a stat from Chucky on ESPN radio that said no team in the history of the NFL has given up a 15 point lead with less than 3 minutes to go.
Kendall Langford & Tony McDaniel say the Dolphin coaches called an incorrect defense on the Denver 2 point conversion.
If that doesnt sound like 2 coaching staff's workign their tail's off to lose games then I dont know what does. They say there is no way a player would put that much work into a season to tank it. Well apparently the coaches are OK with it.
I heard a stat from Chucky on ESPN radio that said no team in the history of the NFL has given up a 15 point lead with less than 3 minutes to go.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Nobody could ever convince me that a coach or player in the NFL has agreed to tank games just so their team could get a better draft pick. There is too much riding on it. Their entire future depends on their performance. Not to mention nearly all of them are egomaniacs.
Now, the front office is a different story. I actually believe that the people in the front office would desire such a result. But the people on the field? No way.
Blake
MMQB
You dont think its a possibility that ownership would request that their coaches create a less than stellar game plan?
"No, Mike Nolan, we wont fire you. We know you are just performing sup par to better this franchise. In fact we will give you job security and a nice little bonus."
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
If an owner did that, he would be risking his franchise. In other words, billions of dollars.
And that would be a secret impossible to keep.
Face it, the Colts are awful. The Dolphins don't have a QB and have lost like 11 of last 12 home games. Awful.
They don't have to try and lose. It's coming naturally.
And that would be a secret impossible to keep.
Face it, the Colts are awful. The Dolphins don't have a QB and have lost like 11 of last 12 home games. Awful.
They don't have to try and lose. It's coming naturally.
What if we put Mario Williams, Ben Tate & our first round pick to the Rams (if they win & aren't in need for a QB?)
Then we get luck to sit & watch Matt for a year or two & we continue to win until Luck is ready to play?
