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So would Schaub have scored if he had run?

4Texans said:
I was at the game and thoguht he should have ran it in..... But after seeing the replays after I got home, I don't think he would have made it.

It doesn't matter now anyway. Tuff lose for sure....:rake:
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TexansFanatic said:
Wow.

I don't think it has anything to do with Schaub wanting to throw another TD.

I think he was trying to avoid the pain of the hit.

But I agree with Tommy Kelly. Schaub would have made it.

And I think if you watch the replay and study the look on Schaub's face after he threw the pick, you can see it in his eyes----he knew he would have made it, too.
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Maddict5 said:
i think most ppl (with a clue) who have watched schaub realise he isnt gonna make it in with a big safety who runs a 4.3 closing on him

rewatch the play. schaub looks like hes thinking of running it after he escapes the pressure right at the 7 yd line. then he sees branch sprinting at him from around the -1 yd line = he wouldve like been tackled around the 4-5 yd line = no td
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I was sitting in Row B of Section 135, right in front of the play. When Schaub started toward the hole I was dreading it, but then I noticed that Tyvon Branch saw Schaub and if memory serves me correct, he was out of the endzone or almost out which is why Schaub had to suddenly change his mind and throw. And throw he did. Right to Michael Huff.

Here is the before and after shots of the play from my seat, so you can see for yourself that I had a great view of the play.

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TexCanada said:
No one knows if he makes it or not. However, he had a better chance of scoring if he had run it, rather then just throw it to the opposition. A stiff arm and a dive MAY have gotten most QBs 6 points, but Schuab is incredibly weak when it comes to running or just moving in general.
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This is almost universally accepted as truth even by his most ardent supporters. I'm trying to figure out why so many people are happy with a QB who is near Dan Marino level immobile in the 2011 NFL.

His sneaky roll-out is pretty much out of the bag these days. It's been a few weeks now since I've seen anyone we played not have someone running toward him the moment he took off. This isn't 1978. Bob Griese can't play this sport at this level anymore and neither can his taller, less coordinated clone Matt Schaub.
 
A savvy, CLUTCH QB would've surmised the situation, determined that running it in was the best option and put on a decent pump fake to freeze Huff as he walked into the endzone. Schaub is a great stats whore, but is more of a robot than anything else. Throw his timing off a little bit or make him a bit uncomfortable and all his weaknesses flash to the forefront. This was one of his worse games as a Texan. I'll bet a lot of money that we'll be 3-3 going into Tennessee. That defense is ferocious.
 
EllisUnit said:
agree Jones should have cut back towards the sideline, easy TD, but no he just kinda stops and stands there like hmmmm what should i do.
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All he needed to do was a quick juke/cutback when he saw schaub scrambling but decided to go the other way into coverage? Terrible. He could have even 'sat down' if he wanted to.


Anyone still doubting that WR is a true need on this team?
 
Hervoyel said:
This is almost universally accepted as truth even by his most ardent supporters. I'm trying to figure out why so many people are happy with a QB who is near Dan Marino level immobile in the 2011 NFL.

His sneaky roll-out is pretty much out of the bag these days. It's been a few weeks now since I've seen anyone we played not have someone running toward him the moment he took off. This isn't 1978. Bob Griese can't play this sport at this level anymore and neither can his taller, less coordinated clone Matt Schaub.
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that long TD pass to dressen was on a QB roll out, we only had 2 roll outs the whole game from schaub, i think kubiak should stick with what works. If not it will cost him his job.
 
Many folks, however, are going to be second-guessing the quarterback for a long time to come about his opting not to run like a fool to daylight, such as it was. It won't help any, either, when they hear about Tommy Kelly's assessment of the situation. The Raiders' defensive tackle didn't cut Schaub one iota of slack.

"Old boy choked," Kelly chortled. "All he had to do was run it in. He choked, simple as that."
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Raiders DT says he choked and should have ran it.
 
EllisUnit said:
that long TD pass to dressen was on a QB roll out, we only had 2 roll outs the whole game from schaub, i think kubiak should stick with what works. If not it will cost him his job.
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I saw it and he had a guy bearing down on him as he threw it. That's all fine and dandy but if he keeps running it eventually he's going to get smashed which is probably why Gary keeps it in the bag a lot. Any team with speed is going to be waiting for it.

That's the limit of his mobility bag of tricks though. Other than that roll out he's got nothing. Big, gangly awkward statue.
 
Hervoyel said:
I saw it and he had a guy bearing down on him as he threw it. That's all fine and dandy but if he keeps running it eventually he's going to get smashed which is probably why Gary keeps it in the bag a lot. Any team with speed is going to be waiting for it.

That's the limit of his mobility bag of tricks though. Other than that roll out he's got nothing. Big, gangly awkward statue.
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Even Bernie Kosar and Dan Marino made some decent scrambles with a savvy pump fake. A pump fake to freeze Huff would've sprang Schaub. Even if it hadn't, it would've scored higher on the "manly scale" than the INT. Schaub looked like he should star in one of the Miller Lite commercials.
 
I watched that replay a million times. Schaub would never had made it if he tried, he is way too slow. Why he decided to put such little velocity on that throw/target Dropcoby is beyond me
 
The Cush said:
I watched that replay a million times. Schaub would never had made it if he tried, he is way too slow. Why he decided to put such little velocity on that throw/target Dropcoby is beyond me
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Even if he didn't run, he could have thrown it to the ground, stopped the clock & started over.

I kick myself every time I post a "could have".

I think we should donate to Texans Talk every time some one does. Board would be paid for in a month ... with the bye week
 
gwallaia said:
He should have run and dived into the endzone.

Schaub is a loser.

He had the run easy.

What an ***** Schaub is.
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This.

Diving for the endzone or going 1-on-1 against a LB/DB for the game....that was what I wanted to see, even if we did win or lose.

Just the ****ing effort. Don't understand why he had the cajones to run it in against Miami a few years ago....why not now?

WTF? He was a ***** for throwing the ball in that moment.
 
Texans34Life said:
This.

Diving for the endzone or going 1-on-1 against a LB/DB for the game....that was what I wanted to see, even if we did win or lose.

Just the ****ing effort. Don't understand why he had the cajones to run it in against Miami a few years ago....why not now?

WTF? He was a ***** for throwing the ball in that moment.
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Yep, I remember it. If I'm not mistaken at the time Matt was getting a lot of the same kind of criticism that he's getting today and that run shut a lot of people up.

Didn't happen today.
 
And just imagine all the wailing and knashing of teeth if he did run it and took a good smack from the LB or DB and wound up getting hurt and missing games. Then all the talk would be "What a dumbass move on Schaub's part". Should have dumped it off". Even if he did score the TD, but wound up getting hurt and being out a few games, folk would be flying up his tailpipe like there's no tomorrow for it. He would be damed if he did and damed if he didn't. The only safe thing would be to chuck it into the ground, reset and take another run at it. JJ gave him zero help on that play. If he did just about anything but what he did, Schaub would have had a much better shot at a completion.
 
Why is it that people are all bagging on Schaub's lack of mobility as if everyone hasn't known that was a weakness of his for years???? Come on now. We've all known that Schaub was slow as ****.

Schaub has always been a poor man's Kurt Warner. Slow as hell with zero mobility, but a good passer. That's who he is. If he doesn't have good blocking he'll never be a QB that can make plays with his feet and extend them. He simply doesn't have the athleticism and speed to do that. The Texans aren't going to ever win jack by trying to make Schaub the guy to carry the team. They need to build a great defense, a great O line, and let Arian Foster and AJ carry this team. Schaub is easily good enough to be the QB for that if you can work that plan with those guys.
 
Texans34Life said:
This.

Diving for the endzone or going 1-on-1 against a LB/DB for the game....that was what I wanted to see, even if we did win or lose.

Just the ****ing effort. Don't understand why he had the cajones to run it in against Miami a few years ago....why not now?

WTF? He was a ***** for throwing the ball in that moment.
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Exactly!!! If he makes it in, we win a game we had no business winning. If he doesn't, we simply lost a game we had no business winning and Matt did everything he could to try and get us to win and what anyone would've done. Instead he threw the game away...as he seems to do lately.

Really, like I've stated in the past, there were at least 3 or 4 games last year where we were in the 4th quarter and if Matt picks up a first down by simply tucking the ball and running for 3 or 4 yards, we keep the ball. Instead he would do exactly what he did today and would either throw the ball away and stop the clock, throw an incomplete and stop the clock, or throw an interception and help the other team come back, or occasionally complete the pass. That's not winning football and it certainly isn't great QB play.
 
El Tejano said:
Exactly!!! If he makes it in, we win a game we had no business winning. If he doesn't, we simply lost a game we had no business winning and Matt did everything he could to try and get us to win and what anyone would've done. Instead he threw the game away...as he seems to do lately.

Really, like I've stated in the past, there were at least 3 or 4 last year where we were in the 4th quarter and if Matt picks up a first down by simply tucking the ball and running for 3 or 4 yards, we keep the ball. Instead he would do exactly what he did today and would either throw the ball away and stop the clock, throw an incomplete and stop the clock, or throw an interception and help the other team come back, or occasionally complete the pass. That's not winning football and it certainly isn't great QB play.
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yeah i would like to hear htis, if we had no buisness winning this game does that mean we should go 0-11 the rest of the season ?
 
EllisUnit said:
agree Jones should have cut back towards the sideline, easy TD, but no he just kinda stops and stands there like hmmmm what should i do.
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This is the part that frustrated me. Jacoby stops like he's trying to block-out Huff (Basketball style) and then sits there while Huff reacts to the throw.

Schaub is a good QB, but he is not someone who can put the team on his back and win the game. He needs help. I doubt he would have made in the end zone on a run, hell Seymour sacked him with one hand. For a big man, he's weak and not very nimble. So he realizes his weaknesses and he tried to give JJ an opportunity to make a play. Huff made the play instead.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If he had not hesitated, he could have very well made it in.............If he had not hesitated, he could have very well thrown it away and had another play.

As he DID hesitate, he threw away any chance of a TD.
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This sums it up.

Not to mention, it's not like the one guy that could have tackled him, Huff, was a bit DT or LB even; it was a DB. Schaub is like 6'5" and 240 lbs. I would think that if he really gave it his all and smacked into all 6'1" and 200 lbs of Michael Huff that he would have had a decent shot of getting into the end zone. But as it is, Schaub didn't even try and did the worst thing he could have done: he hesitated. That to me shows a complete lack of confidence and looked like something Kubiak would have done if he was the QB of this team.
 
What's sad is that David Carr or even Sage Rosenfels could've made that play! Of course, Sage would've promptly fumbled the ball.

Maybe we should of kept Jared Zabransky for situations like these...
 
Texan4Ever said:
What's sad is that David Carr or even Sage Rosenfels could've made that play! Of course, Sage would've promptly fumbled the ball.

Maybe we should of kept Jared Zabransky for situations like these...
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Yes, but Rosencopter would have fumbled the ball in the endzone. It would have bounced around all over the place until Kevin Walter caught it with one hand on the other side of the field and won the game, LOL!
 
HJam72 said:
Yes, but Rosencopter would have fumbled the ball in the endzone. It would have bounced around all over the place until Kevin Walter caught it with one hand on the other side of the field and won the game, LOL!
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Holy Toledo!
 
Schaub could have made it if he went straight to the endzone. He drifted toward the sideline and hesitated. Shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
 
Its fun to be in the stands or on the couch, you know why cause we dont have to see this in real time in the real situation. This obviously gives us the right to say what Schaub should have done. The man was limping noticably since the Seymore hit and any thought of run after seeing Huff in the endzone might have been out of his thought process thinking I cant make it with tis bum leg. Matt as we all know is not the best runner in the league and I dare say the worst running quarterback in the league. But to sit here and say he definatly would have made it if he ran is just yalls opinion with slow motion and pauses to your TV/internet. Like i said thats easy. Doing it for real on the feild with a bum knee is hard.

Not saying I was not upset about the way it unfolded but I will still root for this team and Schaub despite how this game ended.
 
Maddict5 said:
its been fun reading this... mentally ticking anybody who thinks he shouldve run & wouldve made it as pretty clueless. there are things schaub couldve done on that play... running it in was not 1 of them
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Exactly. Schaub would have been nailed at the 2 or 3 and everybody would be on his ass about why he didn't throw it. And yes, he would have been stopped well short of the end zone. He's not going to juke anyone out of his shoes and he's as slow as drying paint.

Schaub could have made it if he went straight to the endzone. He drifted toward the sideline and hesitated.
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Wrong. Schaub didn't start heading east-west until he saw the safety coming up. That's when he knew he wouldn't make it and everybody on the planet should have known it too. He wasn't going to make it. He's too slow and non-elusive.
 
Matt would have been exonerated had he tried to score by running, problem is the wuss factor, His man girl came out and he tossed it to the raiders.
He loses his mancard for that play.:toropalm:
 
So would Schaub have scored if he had run?
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I just watched the replay a few times and the answer is a hard No. He had a guy bearing down on him and Schaub is no Tim Tebow. He would have been taken down easy. Either he didnt see Huff at all, or figured Huff would not go for the crap lob pass. Seriously. That is the worst thing about the play. His lob pass.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Why did we have no business winning?

I think the Raiders had no business winning, but I could be wrong.
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Apparently you are wrong. The Raiders are bigger, faster, and more talented athletically than the Texans; however, the Texans have been in the same system under the same coach and with the same QB for years, they are more disciplined, and were playing at home. To me, that made it an even game, which it proved to be.

EllisUnit said:
yeah i would like to hear htis, if we had no buisness winning this game does that mean we should go 0-11 the rest of the season ?
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Don't be ridiculous. The Texans should win their division when all is said and done. Although, if they enter the WC race the loss to the Raiders may come back to haunt them.

Ckw said:
This sums it up.

Not to mention, it's not like the one guy that could have tackled him, Huff, was a bit DT or LB even; it was a DB. Schaub is like 6'5" and 240 lbs. I would think that if he really gave it his all and smacked into all 6'1" and 200 lbs of Michael Huff that he would have had a decent shot of getting into the end zone. But as it is, Schaub didn't even try and did the worst thing he could have done: he hesitated. That to me shows a complete lack of confidence and looked like something Kubiak would have done if he was the QB of this team.
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Actually, the "one guy" was S Tyvon Branch.

Speedy said:
Exactly. Schaub would have been nailed at the 2 or 3 and everybody would be on his ass about why he didn't throw it. And yes, he would have been stopped well short of the end zone. He's not going to juke anyone out of his shoes and he's as slow as drying paint.

Wrong. Schaub didn't start heading east-west until he saw the safety coming up. That's when he knew he wouldn't make it and everybody on the planet should have known it too. He wasn't going to make it. He's too slow and non-elusive.
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I have the play paused on my DVR right now. This is what happened:

When Schaub rolled-out and made it to the 7-yardline, Branch was coming at him from the goal line. They would have hit somewhere around the 3 or 4 yard line, so it is doubtful that Schaub would have lunged forward that far after taking a lick from a safety. Especially since he had lateral movement and Branch was coming straight at him.

Super Mario said:
I just watched the replay a few times and the answer is a hard No. He had a guy bearing down on him and Schaub is no Tim Tebow. He would have been taken down easy. Either he didnt see Huff at all, or figured Huff would not go for the crap lob pass. Seriously. That is the worst thing about the play. His lob pass.
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Looked like Jacoby broke off his route and headed toward the back of the end zone, while Schaub threw it as if Jacoby was going to keep coming across. Jacoby's "drift" backwards allowed Michael Huff to step in front of the pass.
 
You guys that think he would've made it in are smoking the good ****. Tyvon Branch would've ruined Schaub well before he made it to the endzone. Branch wasn't even in the endzone any more and was bearing down on Schaub before Schaub had even gotten to the 5 yard line.
 
b0ng said:
You guys that think he would've made it in are smoking the good ****. Tyvon Branch would've ruined Schaub well before he made it to the endzone. Branch wasn't even in the endzone any more and was bearing down on Schaub before Schaub had even gotten to the 5 yard line.
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Schaub's best bet would require some speed and wiggle . Schaub could start for the pylon , get Branch running diagonally that way and cutting back . Lava flowing would have a better chance .
 
TexansFanatic said:
Or would he have been crushed?

For a split second I yelled RUN!!! but then I saw the Raider safety closing in on him.

Did Schaub blow the game by not running a measly five yards?
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Hell YEAH! Even if you DON'T make it you tuck it and charge towards the goal line. QuarterBACK means you can RUN with that football. A Leader would have said "vugg it" and at least tried. As much as I don't like Toni Romo "SHE" would have tried to run it in. Matt Schaub proves yet again why the Atlanta Falcons had him as Dog Boy's back up for the bulk of his career before he got here.
 
b0ng said:
You guys that think he would've made it in are smoking the good ****. Tyvon Branch would've ruined Schaub well before he made it to the endzone. Branch wasn't even in the endzone any more and was bearing down on Schaub before Schaub had even gotten to the 5 yard line.
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Even if you're going to fail, in that situation you TRY damn it. If not then get fitted for a nice red jacket and learn to drive a stick for your new job parking cars.
 
Dread-Head said:
Hell YEAH! Even if you DON'T make it you tuck it and charge towards the goal line. QuarterBACK means you can RUN with that football. A Leader would have said "vugg it" and at least tried. As much as I don't like Toni Romo "SHE" would have tried to run it in. Matt Schaub proves yet again why the Atlanta Falcons had him as Dog Boy's back up for the bulk of his career before he got here.
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Yeah, & the last time Romo tried that "charge" at the goalline he fumbled it & effectively ruined any chance of winning that Jets game.
 
Ultimately we'll never know if he'd have made it because he didn't have the stones it took to try.

When the fans in Houston turn on him finally for all time we can all say "I was there, when Matt could have won the game by nutting-up but didn't".
 
Hervoyel said:
Ultimately we'll never know if he'd have made it because he didn't have the stones it took to try.

When the fans in Houston turn on him finally for all time we can all say "I was there, when Matt could have won the game by nutting-up but didn't".
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:lol:
 
Dread-Head said:
Even if you're going to fail, in that situation you TRY damn it. If not then get fitted for a nice red jacket and learn to drive a stick for your new job parking cars.
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I don't get this justification at all. Throwing it away is the way way way more correct option in that situation than running. Running and making a limp wristed "pass" to Jacoby both end in a loss in that situation, so I don't even get why running it is somehow going to lead to a better conclusion (it wouldn't) than getting picked in the end zone.
 
b0ng said:
I don't get this justification at all. Throwing it away is the way way way more correct option in that situation than running. Running and making a limp wristed "pass" to Jacoby both end in a loss in that situation, so I don't even get why running it is somehow going to lead to a better conclusion (it wouldn't) than getting picked in the end zone.
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He needed to make a quick read and know to leave at least a second on the clock . His OL didn't do him any favors and a TO would have been handy .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011100901/2011/REG5/raiders@texans#tab=recap&menu=highlights
 
b0ng said:
I don't get this justification at all. Throwing it away is the way way way more correct option in that situation than running. Running and making a limp wristed "pass" to Jacoby both end in a loss in that situation, so I don't even get why running it is somehow going to lead to a better conclusion (it wouldn't) than getting picked in the end zone.
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I think what a lot of us are saying is if you're gonna do something there then for ****'s sake DO IT. I can get behind throwing it in the ground and coming back for a second try. I'm not saying that wouldn't be the best thing to do there at all. I'm saying if Matt was intent on forcing the issue then he runs straight ahead and put's it all on him. Throwing the ball there was easily third on the list of three things he could have done. That's no AJ there. That's not even OD. That's Jacoby "I Can't Catch ****" Jones and he's not even open. He's as covered as possible. If you're determined to score on that play you make up your mind and go all out. You don't sit there and visibly waffle while your shrinking path the end zone closes.

That's Matt's issue in a nutshell. He doesn't deal with pressure well and becomes indecisive.

Gary's issue is that he's going to continue to tolerate this forever because Matt's his boy. If David Carr did this in week 5 of the 2006 season Kubiak would have torn him a new fourth point of contact. With Matt they'll just work this out in practice (eventually).
 
Hervoyel said:
I think what a lot of us are saying is if you're gonna do something there then for ****'s sake DO IT. I can get behind throwing it in the ground and coming back for a second try. I'm not saying that wouldn't be the best thing to do there at all. I'm saying if Matt was intent on forcing the issue then he runs straight ahead and put's it all on him. Throwing the ball there was easily third on the list of three things he could have done. That's no AJ there. That's not even OD. That's Jacoby "I Can't Catch ****" Jones and he's not even open. He's as covered as possible. If you're determined to score on that play you make up your mind and go all out. You don't sit there and visibly waffle while your shrinking path the end zone closes.

That's Matt's issue in a nutshell. He doesn't deal with pressure well and becomes indecisive.

Gary's issue is that he's going to continue to tolerate this forever because Matt's his boy. If David Carr did this in week 5 of the 2006 season Kubiak would have torn him a new fourth point of contact. With Matt they'll just work this out in practice (eventually).
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This is basically just going to devolve into damned if you do and damned if you don't. If he would've attempted to run it in and got crushed by Branch, then this board is alight with "What the **** was Schaub thinking, everybody knows he can't run." type deal. Schaub made a gigantic mistake by not throwing the ball away as soon as he got flushed out of the pocket. There's no point in really going any farther in the play than that, because that was the most critical mistake of the whole play. Whether he ran the ball or threw it to a receiver after that point is almost moot because neither was going to work and there was too much time taken off the clock to try and toss it away and get another shot.

This game did not ultimately hinge on this play either there were a lot of other plays that lead up to this one, and Schaub is at fault on some of those plays too (As well as Jacoby, some O-linemen, Vickers, Kubiak and some others). But the whole "Should he have run" question is a silly one to ask because running would have ultimately led to the same basic ending unless you think Schaub would've been able to juke or shed Tyvon Branch. Raise your hand if you think Schaub could've juked or shed Tyvon Branch, I'll count the hands from here.
 
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