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I'm leaning toward agreeing with this. Every other starting NFL QB scores on that play. Matt Schaub doesn't.
Yeah, especially p8tun, brady, hasselbeck, because they're all so fast and strong, huh?
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I'm leaning toward agreeing with this. Every other starting NFL QB scores on that play. Matt Schaub doesn't.
I was at the game and thoguht he should have ran it in..... But after seeing the replays after I got home, I don't think he would have made it.
It doesn't matter now anyway. Tuff lose for sure....
Wow.
I don't think it has anything to do with Schaub wanting to throw another TD.
I think he was trying to avoid the pain of the hit.
But I agree with Tommy Kelly. Schaub would have made it.
And I think if you watch the replay and study the look on Schaub's face after he threw the pick, you can see it in his eyes----he knew he would have made it, too.
i think most ppl (with a clue) who have watched schaub realise he isnt gonna make it in with a big safety who runs a 4.3 closing on him
rewatch the play. schaub looks like hes thinking of running it after he escapes the pressure right at the 7 yd line. then he sees branch sprinting at him from around the -1 yd line = he wouldve like been tackled around the 4-5 yd line = no td
No one knows if he makes it or not. However, he had a better chance of scoring if he had run it, rather then just throw it to the opposition. A stiff arm and a dive MAY have gotten most QBs 6 points, but Schuab is incredibly weak when it comes to running or just moving in general.
agree Jones should have cut back towards the sideline, easy TD, but no he just kinda stops and stands there like hmmmm what should i do.
This is almost universally accepted as truth even by his most ardent supporters. I'm trying to figure out why so many people are happy with a QB who is near Dan Marino level immobile in the 2011 NFL.
His sneaky roll-out is pretty much out of the bag these days. It's been a few weeks now since I've seen anyone we played not have someone running toward him the moment he took off. This isn't 1978. Bob Griese can't play this sport at this level anymore and neither can his taller, less coordinated clone Matt Schaub.
Every other QB scores. Because they are all more mobile and athletic than Schaub.Yeah, especially p8tun, brady, hasselbeck, because they're all so fast and strong, huh?
Many folks, however, are going to be second-guessing the quarterback for a long time to come about his opting not to run like a fool to daylight, such as it was. It won't help any, either, when they hear about Tommy Kelly's assessment of the situation. The Raiders' defensive tackle didn't cut Schaub one iota of slack.
"Old boy choked," Kelly chortled. "All he had to do was run it in. He choked, simple as that."
No doubt. Right behind head coach, and possibly QB.Anyone still doubting that WR is a true need on this team?
Every other QB scores. Because they are all more mobile and athletic than Schaub.
Is Peyton playing? Didn't know that.
that long TD pass to dressen was on a QB roll out, we only had 2 roll outs the whole game from schaub, i think kubiak should stick with what works. If not it will cost him his job.
Even Bernie Kosar and Dan Marino made some decent scrambles with a savvy pump fake. A pump fake to freeze Huff would've sprang Schaub. Even if it hadn't, it would've scored higher on the "manly scale" than the INT. Schaub looked like he should star in one of the Miller Lite commercials.I saw it and he had a guy bearing down on him as he threw it. That's all fine and dandy but if he keeps running it eventually he's going to get smashed which is probably why Gary keeps it in the bag a lot. Any team with speed is going to be waiting for it.
That's the limit of his mobility bag of tricks though. Other than that roll out he's got nothing. Big, gangly awkward statue.
I watched that replay a million times. Schaub would never had made it if he tried, he is way too slow. Why he decided to put such little velocity on that throw/target Dropcoby is beyond me
He should have run and dived into the endzone.
Schaub is a loser.
He had the run easy.
What an ***** Schaub is.
I kick myself every time I post a "could have".
This.
Diving for the endzone or going 1-on-1 against a LB/DB for the game....that was what I wanted to see, even if we did win or lose.
Just the ****ing effort. Don't understand why he had the cajones to run it in against Miami a few years ago....why not now?
WTF? He was a ***** for throwing the ball in that moment.
This.
Diving for the endzone or going 1-on-1 against a LB/DB for the game....that was what I wanted to see, even if we did win or lose.
Just the ****ing effort. Don't understand why he had the cajones to run it in against Miami a few years ago....why not now?
WTF? He was a ***** for throwing the ball in that moment.
If he makes it in, we win a game we had no business winning. If he doesn't, we simply lost a game we had no business winning
Exactly!!! If he makes it in, we win a game we had no business winning. If he doesn't, we simply lost a game we had no business winning and Matt did everything he could to try and get us to win and what anyone would've done. Instead he threw the game away...as he seems to do lately.
Really, like I've stated in the past, there were at least 3 or 4 last year where we were in the 4th quarter and if Matt picks up a first down by simply tucking the ball and running for 3 or 4 yards, we keep the ball. Instead he would do exactly what he did today and would either throw the ball away and stop the clock, throw an incomplete and stop the clock, or throw an interception and help the other team come back, or occasionally complete the pass. That's not winning football and it certainly isn't great QB play.
yeah i would like to hear htis, if we had no buisness winning this game does that mean we should go 0-11 the rest of the season ?
agree Jones should have cut back towards the sideline, easy TD, but no he just kinda stops and stands there like hmmmm what should i do.
If he had not hesitated, he could have very well made it in.............If he had not hesitated, he could have very well thrown it away and had another play.
As he DID hesitate, he threw away any chance of a TD.
The spirit of Al Davis...
Not to mention we did lose MW and Casey.
What's sad is that David Carr or even Sage Rosenfels could've made that play! Of course, Sage would've promptly fumbled the ball.
Maybe we should of kept Jared Zabransky for situations like these...
Yes, but Rosencopter would have fumbled the ball in the endzone. It would have bounced around all over the place until Kevin Walter caught it with one hand on the other side of the field and won the game, LOL!
its been fun reading this... mentally ticking anybody who thinks he shouldve run & wouldve made it as pretty clueless. there are things schaub couldve done on that play... running it in was not 1 of them
Schaub could have made it if he went straight to the endzone. He drifted toward the sideline and hesitated.
So would Schaub have scored if he had run?
Why did we have no business winning?
I think the Raiders had no business winning, but I could be wrong.
yeah i would like to hear htis, if we had no buisness winning this game does that mean we should go 0-11 the rest of the season ?
This sums it up.
Not to mention, it's not like the one guy that could have tackled him, Huff, was a bit DT or LB even; it was a DB. Schaub is like 6'5" and 240 lbs. I would think that if he really gave it his all and smacked into all 6'1" and 200 lbs of Michael Huff that he would have had a decent shot of getting into the end zone. But as it is, Schaub didn't even try and did the worst thing he could have done: he hesitated. That to me shows a complete lack of confidence and looked like something Kubiak would have done if he was the QB of this team.
Exactly. Schaub would have been nailed at the 2 or 3 and everybody would be on his ass about why he didn't throw it. And yes, he would have been stopped well short of the end zone. He's not going to juke anyone out of his shoes and he's as slow as drying paint.
Wrong. Schaub didn't start heading east-west until he saw the safety coming up. That's when he knew he wouldn't make it and everybody on the planet should have known it too. He wasn't going to make it. He's too slow and non-elusive.
I just watched the replay a few times and the answer is a hard No. He had a guy bearing down on him and Schaub is no Tim Tebow. He would have been taken down easy. Either he didnt see Huff at all, or figured Huff would not go for the crap lob pass. Seriously. That is the worst thing about the play. His lob pass.
You guys that think he would've made it in are smoking the good ****. Tyvon Branch would've ruined Schaub well before he made it to the endzone. Branch wasn't even in the endzone any more and was bearing down on Schaub before Schaub had even gotten to the 5 yard line.
Matt would have been exonerated ...
Schaub's best bet would require some speed and wiggle . Schaub could start for the pylon , get Branch running diagonally that way and cutting back . Lava flowing would have a better chance .
Or would he have been crushed?
For a split second I yelled RUN!!! but then I saw the Raider safety closing in on him.
Did Schaub blow the game by not running a measly five yards?
You guys that think he would've made it in are smoking the good ****. Tyvon Branch would've ruined Schaub well before he made it to the endzone. Branch wasn't even in the endzone any more and was bearing down on Schaub before Schaub had even gotten to the 5 yard line.
Hell YEAH! Even if you DON'T make it you tuck it and charge towards the goal line. QuarterBACK means you can RUN with that football. A Leader would have said "vugg it" and at least tried. As much as I don't like Toni Romo "SHE" would have tried to run it in. Matt Schaub proves yet again why the Atlanta Falcons had him as Dog Boy's back up for the bulk of his career before he got here.
Yeah, & the last time Romo tried that "charge" at the goalline he fumbled it & effectively ruined any chance of winning that Jets game.
Yeah, & the last time Romo tried that "charge" at the goalline he fumbled it & effectively ruined any chance of winning that Jets game.
Ultimately we'll never know if he'd have made it because he didn't have the stones it took to try.
When the fans in Houston turn on him finally for all time we can all say "I was there, when Matt could have won the game by nutting-up but didn't".
Even if you're going to fail, in that situation you TRY damn it. If not then get fitted for a nice red jacket and learn to drive a stick for your new job parking cars.
I don't get this justification at all. Throwing it away is the way way way more correct option in that situation than running. Running and making a limp wristed "pass" to Jacoby both end in a loss in that situation, so I don't even get why running it is somehow going to lead to a better conclusion (it wouldn't) than getting picked in the end zone.
I don't get this justification at all. Throwing it away is the way way way more correct option in that situation than running. Running and making a limp wristed "pass" to Jacoby both end in a loss in that situation, so I don't even get why running it is somehow going to lead to a better conclusion (it wouldn't) than getting picked in the end zone.
I think what a lot of us are saying is if you're gonna do something there then for ****'s sake DO IT. I can get behind throwing it in the ground and coming back for a second try. I'm not saying that wouldn't be the best thing to do there at all. I'm saying if Matt was intent on forcing the issue then he runs straight ahead and put's it all on him. Throwing the ball there was easily third on the list of three things he could have done. That's no AJ there. That's not even OD. That's Jacoby "I Can't Catch ****" Jones and he's not even open. He's as covered as possible. If you're determined to score on that play you make up your mind and go all out. You don't sit there and visibly waffle while your shrinking path the end zone closes.
That's Matt's issue in a nutshell. He doesn't deal with pressure well and becomes indecisive.
Gary's issue is that he's going to continue to tolerate this forever because Matt's his boy. If David Carr did this in week 5 of the 2006 season Kubiak would have torn him a new fourth point of contact. With Matt they'll just work this out in practice (eventually).