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The Texans’ growing injury list was the primary topic of conversation at Reliant Stadium on Tuesday, and it started with the running backs.

Though ankle injuries suffered by guards Antoine Caldwell and Kasey Studdard during Monday night’s 20-16 victory over the New York Jets were more serious, the Texans have injury questions about four of their top five backs, including three sidelined with pulled hamstrings.

Coach Gary Kubiak said he hopes Arian Foster (hamstring) can return to practice today and play against New Orleans on Saturday. Kubiak said Steve Slaton (hamstring) is going to miss the Saints game and didn’t sound too confident about Ben Tate (hamstring) returning.

And Kubiak sounded unsure about Derrick Ward, who left the Jets game in the first quarter because of a concussion and didn’t return.

“Derrick is doing fine today,” Kubiak said, “but we’ve got this quick turnaround before (the New Orleans game), so you don’t know.

“Our plan all along has been for Arian to be on the field in the morning. Tate is moving very slowly. His progress coming back has been very slow. I can’t sit here and tell you he’s going to be ready to go. I sure hope he is. We were hoping he would be ready to get back on the field.”

If Foster and Ward are able to play against the Saints, the situation won’t be so dire. Otherwise, Chris Ogbonnaya will have to come to the rescue again.

“Chris is fine,” Kubiak said. “He’s just beat up from last night’s game.”

Ogbonnaya went from fifth on the depth chart to doing the heavy-duty work against the Jets. He carried 17 times for 37 yards and a touchdown. He caught six passes for 67 yards and a touchdown.

There’s a chance he could be the featured back again.

“We’ve got issues at that position and in the offensive line,” Kubiak said.

Caldwell, who backs up Mike Brisiel at right guard, suffered a high ankle sprain that will keep him out quite a while. Kubiak said Studdard’s injury is more serious and that his ankle was still being evaluated. There’s a chance he could miss the season.
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This position concerns me way more than the running backs. The more backups that get hurt, mean more playing time for the starters, which in turn, risks more injury. We lost two linemen in one preseason game. This keeps pace, we'll be sitting pretty on opening day. [sarc]
 
Because of the shortened time this season for players to get into "football" shape, there were tons of predictions of an injury filled season for this year. I was one of the many that also predicted this on TexansTalk.

All these injuries shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
 
Hope we aren't dealing with a jake. That would suck. I've contended since draft day we might have one on our hands. The sad part is there's apparently no code of honor to keep this from happening, a guy getting paid and deciding he doesn't want to get hit. Deciding he wants to keep his neural cavity in one piece and other such selfish concerns.
 
Thorn said:
Because of the shortened time this season for players to get into "football" shape, there were tons of predictions of an injury filled season for this year. I was one of the many that also predicted this on TexansTalk.
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My wife has been saying that over and over for months now.
 
Thorn said:
Because of the shortened time this season for players to get into "football" shape, there were tons of predictions of an injury filled season for this year. I was one of the many that also predicted this on TexansTalk.

All these injuries shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
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It's certainly not a surprise to me, and would have been an extreme surprise to me if it wasn't. And these hamstring injuries . . . they are going to nag, nag, nag, and nag. I'll almost bet money that whoever running backs that play this Saturday that sat out last game, will "re-aggravate" them.
 
You guys wait until the end of the season, then compare injury numbers over the past three years.

This is speculation at the moment. Injuries happen.

It's not like there's some video game "health meter" that has been affected by not having OTAs. Most of the guys were working out on their own, or with other teammates, doing minor stuff like stretching, walk-throughs, and light running during actual plays.

I don't see anything else in an OTA workout that would have been as radically different as what guys were doing on their own this year. In fact, it was all over the sports news, every week, where we see guys working out on their own. But I suppose because they weren't on the team's facility and being instructed by coaches, then it means they were not working out "properly," right? LOL.

Injuries. Happen. Ask Ben Tate. Ask Charles Spencer. Neither of those guys got majorly hurt because of anything other than just unfortunate circumstances out of their control. These are grown-ass men out there. Give them some time to get the tightened hammies sorted out, which is happening every year, by the way. It takes time to get back into football shape.
 
I swear, we now have football for 10 years before another labor ordeal...and people are complaining about injuries due to the lockout.

Wagging their fingers at people. Geez.

Injuries. Happen. Preseason games simulate and get them ready for reg season. By the time preseason game 4 is concluded, every team's players will have had camps where the practice each day AND multiple games where they are flying all over the field at full speed.

THIS is why preseason games are played: (1) extra money for owners, and (2) to get guys back into the football shape after having been out of action since February. Reason #2, above, is why I don't want owners taking preseason games away and adding 2 games to reg season. You need more than 2 games to get your starters ready AND evaluate guys for roster cuts.

I feel like the NFL system works: 4 preseason games, 16 reg season games, and a bye week somewhere in there. The OTAs are there to help familiarize players with the system(s), make sure they are conditioning and staying on top of goals, and I feel like the lockout only hurt preparation time for rookies and new players learning new systems. Outside of that, this "injury" issue is being overhyped. In my opinion.
 
What I posted when the injuries were first revealed yesterday (from the Things I Didn't Like thread):

Caldwell suffered a high-ankle sprain.

Studdard’s injury was characterized by Kubiak as a high ankle sprain, but qualified that it seems to be worse than Caldwell's. He refused to further characterize the injury when asked to do so, saying that he will need further tests. This doesn't sound good. A high ankle sprain is bad enough. An MRI will definitely be performed. If it demonstrates a high grade high ankle sprain with complete ligament tear, he's going to be out a very long time. If the MRI shows an accompanying fracture, he is likely done.
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All the hamstring injuries suck but everyone knew this was coming and I don't think that most of them are very serious. I think most of them are a tweak injury and keeping them out is just preventative. It also takes alot of pounding off of our RB's in the preseason so that they'll likely be fresh and ready to go when the season starts.

"Tate is moving very slowly. His progress coming back has been very slow. I can’t sit here and tell you he’s going to be ready to go. I sure hope he is. We were hoping he would be ready to get back on the field.”

When I read the above quote this sounds like a coach calling a player out. It's subtle but that's how coaches do it. I don't get the feeling that Kubiak is liking Tate much right now. Someone needs to remind Tate, with a foot in the ass, that you can't make the roster from the IR list.
 
I am a believer in cutting the preseason from four to two games or maybe even just one. It won't happen the owners would stand to lose a lot of money.
 
gary said:
I am a believer in cutting the preseason from four to two games or maybe even just one. It won't happen the owners would stand to lose a lot of money.
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I actually think the Preseason games should be reduced in price so every seat is $20 and give out free parking. Make it a requirement that the first team must play the first quarter of the first game, the first half of the second game, the first half of the 3rd, and the first quarter of the fourth.

The NFL should make it possible for the average family of four to go out to a game. With current average ticket prices near $60, it costs the average family of 4 $240 for tickets, without parking.

The NFL could easily make up the cost on season tickets and more importantly they grow the brand among the kids. MLB did not grow the brand with the kids and were thus passed over. NFL better pay attention.
 
gary said:
I am a believer in cutting the preseason from four to two games or maybe even just one. It won't happen the owners would stand to lose a lot of money.
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Would you be willing to build the roster after what you saw Monday night?

No.

Preseason is what it is, Preseason. It is so the coaches can know who is going to do what.

Yes, injuries suck, but they are going to happen at any given time.

I think that a LOT of these guys didn't work out on their own like they should have during the offseason. Maybe too much Wing Stop ;)
 
Kimmy said:
Would you be willing to build the roster after what you saw Monday night?

No.

Preseason is what it is, Preseason. It is so the coaches can know who is going to do what.

Yes, injuries suck, but they are going to happen at any given time.

I think that a LOT of these guys didn't work out on their own like they should have during the offseason. Maybe too much Wing Stop ;)
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Disagree four meaningless games plus practice is not needed IMO.
 
gary said:
Disagree four meaningless games plus practice is not needed IMO.
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They're meaningless games as far as wins and losses not meaning a damn thing. I think that's the biggest gripe with fans. We're just too damn anxious to get this thing going once we see a game and that's just not how it works.

I hate pre-season as much as anybody. And before all the rule changes where players were basically working out (OTA's, mini-camps, training camp) all year long, a 4 game pre-season was unnecessary. Now that they won't be doing all that stuff throughout the off-season, I think it just might be necessary.

I don't want my football team slapped together in a week and a half, 2 weeks.

It has been this way in the NFL for forever. How have we not come to deal with it yet? Pre-season is evaluation season. Deal with it. Let the process run it's course and let's kick this thing off on Sept. 11. That's when football season starts.

Sucks that fans have to pay full price for those meaningless games, but if that is what's really up your butt about all this, don't go. Don't buy tickets. Don't buy season tickets.

As far as the injuries being more prevalent because of the lockout, well, I'm calling BS on that. Injuries have happened in camp and pre-season since the beginning of time. How many injuries were there last year with a full off-season of workouts? I'll bet there's not much difference.
 
The way to have your preseason is to give every team it's own "minor league" farm team in a nearby "regionally relevant" town. You double the size of every NFL roster and send the bottom half to the farm club when camp breaks. Farm teams play like 6 week seasons and then go home to sit and wait for phone calls when the NFL teams start getting banged up bad.

The preseason is played by rookies and the most promising prospects along with guys on the bubble. Your stars make just enough of an appearance to get warmed up for the real games.

What you get out of that is a healthier roster when the season starts

32 small-town teams in cities that will never, ever get an NFL team but who would support the heck out of an NFL-related team

A pool of players you can call on to offset your injuries and those players went to camp with you and are familiar with your system/coaches.

Additional development time for guys who take longer to grow up.

Pay would be in real-world figures, not NFL minimum unless you were brought up to the big league. Then you get a big raise while you're with the team.
 
Hervoyel said:
The way to have your preseason is to give every team it's own "minor league" farm team in a nearby "regionally relevant" town. You double the size of every NFL roster and send the bottom half to the farm club when camp breaks. Farm teams play like 6 week seasons and then go home to sit and wait for phone calls when the NFL teams start getting banged up bad.
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This is actually a really good idea. But I have a feeling people will type 'that's what college/practice squad is' LOL
 
If players are going to get injured, why not in a game that counts while trying their very best?
 
gary said:
If players are going to get injured, why not in a game that counts while trying their very best?
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You still have to practice. What the hell's the difference? Tate, Foster and Slaton are all out and they haven't played a single down in a game. Do we need to quit practicing too? Injuries are going to happen. Every year this game has ever been played to every team that has ever played it.
 
Speedy said:
You still have to practice. What the hell's the difference? Tate, Foster and Slaton are all out and they haven't played a single down in a game. Do we need to quit practicing too? Injuries are going to happen. Every year this game has ever been played to every team that has ever played it.
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A coach still ought to make roster decisions based on the same amount of practice by cutting the preseason. NOT cutting it all together it is nothing BUT a money ploy IMHO.
 
Demeco was kept out of practice today because of a swollen elbow. An MRI was to be performed and Kubiak said that he was "fine." We'll see.
 
Who really cares if Foster is ready to go against the Saints, or any game in preseason ? We've got 16 games in the regular season, that's what he needs
to concentrate on for his preparations.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Demeco was kept out of practice today because of a swollen elbow. An MRI was to be performed and Kubiak said that he was "fine." We'll see.
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We could have a player whose leg has been chopped off somehow during practice and Kubiak would say that he'll be "fine". At least it seems that way. Hope he's right though.
 
What ever became of that Ben Tate comment?

Wolf said:
Ben Tate
Good start to the 2011 season i cant wait to get out there i love this game way too much to pretend like something is wrong with me smh abt to say my prayers and hit the sheets
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:hmmm:
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gary said:
Disagree four meaningless games plus practice is not needed IMO.
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Meaningless???

Ask the guys who are on the bubble if they're meaningless.

Ask the coaches who have to wade thru the performances of 90 guys to get 40 or 50 keepers if they're meaningless.

Two weeks of practice - going against the same guys every day - doesn't give you the same quality of insight as having them go out under the lights against four different groups of hungry guys trying to win a job on their squad.

Practice is for teaching if you're the coach. Preseason is the "test" for players to see if they're learning what is being taught. You're saying go from four "tests" to none and still have the coaches have to decide who can play/produce/perform and who can't with no test.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Some folks look great in practice and suck when the lights come on. Others look lost in practice and play lights out when the real whistle blows. You need both to see what you've got.
 
gary said:
A coach still ought to make roster decisions based on the same amount of practice by cutting the preseason. NOT cutting it all together it is nothing BUT a money ploy IMHO.
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Now the necessity for coaches to see their guys in live action (preseason) and the money-making aspect are two separate discussions.

If you're against preseason games because they cost just as much as regular season games, I understand that. Someone posted earlier that preseason games ought to be half price; maybe less. I totally agree with that thinking. Mainly because the "stars" that people come out to see barely play in most preseason games. For that reason alone, preseason should be cheaper.
 
ObsiWan said:
Meaningless???

Ask the guys who are on the bubble if they're meaningless.

Ask the coaches who have to wade thru the performances of 90 guys to get 40 or 50 keepers if they're meaningless.

Two weeks of practice - going against the same guys every day - doesn't give you the same quality of insight as having them go out under the lights against four different groups of hungry guys trying to win a job on their squad.

Practice is for teaching if you're the coach. Preseason is the "test" for players to see if they're learning what is being taught. You're saying go from four "tests" to none and still have the coaches have to decide who can play/produce/perform and who can't with no test.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Some folks look great in practice and suck when the lights come on. Others look lost in practice and play lights out when the real whistle blows. You need both to see what you've got.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS

Besides this, preseason is not JUST for non-veterans. How many RETURNING veterans come back not looking anything like what they did the previous season? Why? What should be done? What should be expected? What should be changed? Those are all questions that better be answered in the preseason instead of well into the regular season.
 
From the Washington Post


Growing list of offensive injuries worries Kubiak
By Associated Press, Published: August 16

HOUSTON - Most of the offseason questions surrounding the Houston Texans concerned their defense. A day after the preseason opener, coach Gary Kubiak was more worried about an alarming rash of injuries, mostly on the offensive side.

Backup running back Derrick Ward left Monday night’s 20-16 win over the New York Jets with a concussion, and guards Antoine Caldwell and Kasey Studdard will miss Saturday’s game against New Orleans with serious ankle injuries. Left tackle Rashad Butler was the latest Texan to encounter a hamstring injury, joining running backs Arian Foster, Steve Slaton and Ben Tate.

Kubiak said Ward and Slaton were doubtful to play against the Saints, but said Foster, the NFL’s leading rusher last season, may return to practice on Wednesday. Kubiak said Tate, a second-round pick in 2010, is recovering “very slowly.”

“We’ve got some issues at that position, and at the offensive line position,” Kubiak said.

Rookie linebacker Cheta Ozougwu, the last pick in the draft and a product of nearby Rice, also sustained a concussion in the Jets’ game and spent the night in the hospital. Kubiak visited Ozougwu and his family on Tuesday.

“He was resting and doing fine when I went to see him and his family a while ago,” Kubiak said. “Obviously, he took a pretty good shot, and so it’s going to take some time.”

Kubiak says the growing list of injuries has put him in a bind - he’d love to replenish the roster with new players, but says that would complicate preparations for the regular-season opener on Sept. 11.

“Once you get to this point in training camp, you’ve got to get creative, if you start to have problems like this,” Kubiak said. “You’re three weeks away from putting your team together. Yeah, I’d love to go get 2-3 running backs, a couple of offensive linemen. That sounds easy, but that’s not as easy as it sounds. We’ll have to get creative in what we’re doing going into the New Orleans game.”

The defense got through Monday’s game mostly unscathed, and Kubiak saw obvious progress in the unit’s first game executing coordinator Wade Phillips’ 3-4 scheme.

At the start, all eyes were on Mario Williams, who’s making a much-ballyhooed move from defensive end to outside linebacker in the rebuilt defense. Williams, Houston’s sacks leader in each of the past five seasons, was only on the field for 15 snaps.

“I know Mario is excited with what we’re doing,” Kubiak said. “I talked to him at halftime coming out of the tunnel and he told me that one of the biggest factors in standing up in our stadium with noise and everything was getting off on cadence and coming off the ball quicker as compared to having your hand down and your ear a little closer to the football. I think you’ll see him continue to improve.”

The Texans produced seven sacks in the game, after getting only 30 all of last season. And the Jets’ longest pass play covered only 25 yards, another encouraging sign for a secondary that allowed a league-high 18 receptions covering 40 yards or more in 2010.

“Our total effort on defense across the board, I thought it was exceptional,” Kubiak said. “We got to the quarterback, we made plays on the front end, the back end, the linebackers. The ability to rush the passer is exciting for all of us.”

The Texans have been impressed by the rapid progress of first-round draft pick J.J. Watt, projected to start at defensive end this season. Kubiak said Watt stood out on film from Monday’s game, though he wasn’t credited with any tackles.

“He was very good,” Kubiak said. “He was very active, gets his hands up, and I think he’s going to knock a lot of balls down. He doesn’t play like a rookie; he’s a very mature young man, so we’ll up his reps this week.”

One of the closest competitions at camp is between punters Brett Hartmann and Brad Maynard. Hartmann, a rookie, had a 52-yard punt and also handled four kickoffs. Maynard, entering his 14th season, averaged 38.3 yards on three punts and was the holder for Neil Rackers on two field goal attempts.

Rackers connected on both field-goal attempts, from 47 and 49 yards.

“He’s been consistent,” Kubiak said of Rackers, who won the job from Kris Brown in training camp last year. “He’s come back stronger this year. I don’t know if y’all noticed, he worked really hard on himself this offseason and took care of himself physically.”
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My guess is that Ryans is most likely is suffering from a "tennis elbow" or an inflamed bursa of his elbow. Both need rest, ice, compression. Both tend to be chronic and recurrent conditions, with players being treated for months until total resolution can be expected. This does not mean that the player will be out this long, but 1-2 weeks of rest is the primary treatment when diagnosed.

Hopefully, the MRI does not demonstrate more serious trauma-induced conditions such as underlying overstretched or torn ligaments or tendons, or dislocated or fractured bones of the joint, that may be giving rise to the inflammation in the elbow. We should find out later today.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
My guess is that Ryans is most likely is suffering from a "tennis elbow" or an inflamed bursa of his elbow. Both need rest, ice, compression. Both tend to be chronic and recurrent conditions, with players being treated for months until total resolution can be expected. This does not mean that the player will be out this long, but 1-2 weeks of rest is the primary treatment when diagnosed.

Hopefully, the MRI does not demonstrate more serious trauma-induced conditions such as underlying overstretched or torn ligaments or tendons, or dislocated or fractured bones of the joint, that may be giving rise to the inflammation in the elbow. We should find out later today.
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From who, Gar? If that's the case I'll tell you now. "He'll be fine"

Carry on.:turtle:
 
ObsiWan said:
Meaningless???

Ask the guys who are on the bubble if they're meaningless.

Ask the coaches who have to wade thru the performances of 90 guys to get 40 or 50 keepers if they're meaningless.

Two weeks of practice - going against the same guys every day - doesn't give you the same quality of insight as having them go out under the lights against four different groups of hungry guys trying to win a job on their squad.

Practice is for teaching if you're the coach. Preseason is the "test" for players to see if they're learning what is being taught. You're saying go from four "tests" to none and still have the coaches have to decide who can play/produce/perform and who can't with no test.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Some folks look great in practice and suck when the lights come on. Others look lost in practice and play lights out when the real whistle blows. You need both to see what you've got.
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You took the word right out of my mouth but I think you said it better! When I read Gary's comments about the preseason being meaningless I about spit my coke all over my computer.

With the expanded rosters and the toned down practices, the need for the preseason games are needed even more than they have ever been.

:vincepalm: Oh Gary.
 
Continue to get your pants in an a bundle about my OPINION ABOUT REDUCING PRESEASON GAMES. Why isn't anyone here coming up with a plan to rescue the stock market? None of us on here can do that but again just keep on change my words to not having any preseason games at all when that is not what I said. Try rereading.
 
And you don't have your panties in a bundle about 4 pre-season games?

Numerous posters have explained to you why these games are necessary. If you can't accept that, that's on you because your opinion of it being too much isn't going to change it. It is what it is and always has been.

The stock market? Last time I checked this was a football message board, though there is a section where you can go figure all of that stuff out. Maybe the markets should only be open 3 days a week instead of 5. 5 is probably unnecessary.
 
Speedy said:
And you don't have your panties in a bundle about 4 pre-season games?

Numerous posters have explained to you why these games are necessary. If you can't accept that, that's on you because your opinion of it being too much isn't going to change it. It is what it is and always has been.

The stock market? Last time I checked this was a football message board, though there is a section where you can go figure all of that stuff out. Maybe the markets should only be open 3 days a week instead of 5. 5 is probably unnecessary.
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FYI, I don't care if they take my advice or not it it just my opinion no need for the jokes like my opinion is stupid because that's all it is. Have a great day. I am so upset about four games I think I will jump now I am on the edge.:vincepalm:
 
Kubiak:

(on if he’s concerned about ILB DeMeco Ryans’ injury) “No, he’s going to be fine. I’m just trying to be smart. This is our only day in pads this week. We needed to work and it didn’t make sense to send him out here and bang on it some more. We’ve got a couple of jog-through type practices before we play New Orleans, but we’ll see where he’s at.”
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"our only day in pads this week"........then I hope it's MAXI-pads.........:cool:
 
Speedy said:
And you don't have your panties in a bundle about 4 pre-season games?

Numerous posters have explained to you why these games are necessary. If you can't accept that, that's on you because your opinion of it being too much isn't going to change it. It is what it is and always has been.

The stock market? Last time I checked this was a football message board, though there is a section where you can go figure all of that stuff out. Maybe the markets should only be open 3 days a week instead of 5. 5 is probably unnecessary.
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Are you a season ticket holder?

If so, do you enjoy paying full price for 4 meaningless games? Do you enjoy watching the 2nd half of games with players that have very little chance of making the team? I found the 4th qtr of last weeks game very boring. Like a glorified scrimmage. My wife found it so boring that she doesn't want to go this Saturday. This is the 1st time in 10 yrs that this has happened.
 
There should be less games and more playing time for those who are trying to make the IMO. But again I must be dumb for my opinion and I am going to stop watching the games because my blood pressure is sky rocking over four games that don't count. NOT.
 
steelbtexan said:
Are you a season ticket holder?

If so, do you enjoy paying full price for 4 meaningless games? Do you enjoy watching the 2nd half of games with players that have very little chance of making the team? I found the 4th qtr of last weeks game very boring. Like a glorified scrimmage. My wife found it so boring that she doesn't want to go this Saturday. This is the 1st time in 10 yrs that this has happened.
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Yeah, I'm a season ticket holder, 10 years running. And if you read my posts throughout this thread, I've said that I HATE pre-season, but that does not mean I don't think it's necessary.

I also said that if the price of the games is what your beef is with pre-season, don't go. Don't buy the tickets. I buy them because it's part of the package. I don't like it, but I do because I want to see the games in person. It's a nuisance, but not so much of one that I'm going to drop my season tickets. If somebody else doesn't feel that way, that's fine. I get it. You spend your entertainment dollar how you see fit.

Wanting to cut the pre-season down because of that though, is just silly talk. As everyone has said, with reduced off-season workouts, these games are necessary more than ever now. Before, when teams were working out what seemed like year round, I would agree with Gary that 4 games was too much. But now that that's been cut down, you need those 4 games.

On the business side, pre-season is a money grab. Hell, the whole damn thing is a money grab for that matter.

On the football side, these games are very much necessary. As much as I hate pre-season, I don't want my football team slapped together in a couple of weeks with very little game film evaluation.
 
Some think four games are needed and some don't. Who really knows who needs what? No one on here that's for sure. It is just personal preference. See the difference or do we? What do you guys know for a fact these four games prove that I don't? Tell me.
 
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I want to see the best players on the field as much as possible and as many games count as possible. That's not silly.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Kubiak:

Quote:
(on if he’s concerned about ILB DeMeco Ryans’ injury) “No, he’s going to be fine. I’m just trying to be smart. This is our only day in pads this week. We needed to work and it didn’t make sense to send him out here and bang on it some more. We’ve got a couple of jog-through type practices before we play New Orleans, but we’ll see where he’s at.”




"our only day in pads this week"........then I hope it's MAXI-pads.........:cool:
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Told ya so...NaNaNa :splits:
 
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