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Kareem Jackson - Progress or not ?
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IBleedTexans
Superbowl Bound
KJ sux . That is all .
I seen him on Sunday and like always, fell down covering od .
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Most NFL-ready corner from his draft class. :wadepalm:
Porky
Hall of Fame
I have to believe Allen. From what I have been reading, he is having a decent camp, and although he isn't great he's not going to constantly embarass you either like KJ. Harris will probably be in nickel or dime packages as a rookie and then they can see how he is progressing. If he is making major strides he can always take over later this year, but I don't think we want to throw another rookie CB to the wolves from day one.
TheBigpaki
Waterboy
I would much rather have Quinn at #2 CB and Nolan at safety. I like a lineup of Joseph/Quinn/Nolan/Manning.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think Nolan has to beat out Barber or a CB transfer to make roster. I think it will be Manning, Quin, Keo and ? The last spot could be a CB like KJ, McMannis, Allen,etc.
I don't see them keeping a guy that has mostly been at corner for us over a guy who is a straight up safety.
And Kareem is not going to safety any time soon.
I do not see Nolan getting cut.
I can't imagine him not beating out barber. I don't see how barber is still on the team. I will be stunned if barber makes the final roster.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
It's embarrassing how Kareem is getting burned by everybody out there. SHould have drafted McCourty or Wilson. I had faith in KJ, but so far, it looks like he hasn't gotten any better. He still falls down (but at least he gets up, lmao), he is slow (that won't change) and he has bad technique (can be worked on).
michaelm
vox nihili
Great, now you got freakin Chumbawamba playing in my brain.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Me too but we will see. Wonder what happened to the scout that recommended KJ?
ThaShark316
#28
Thanks a lot....now it's in my head.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
It's obvious he won't be a starter. The question now is how long it will take to develop him, if possible.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Could be years before he's worthwhile. He may blow up in the middle of the season.
I think we'll all think much more of our secondary if our front 7 can apply pressure to the QB.
My intent wasnt to slam KJ but to get the opinion of those who have actually attended the practices .... Its difficult to guage anything based upon the few highlights or reports we've been given.
Where the hell you been hiding ?!
Im not so sure about that .... Is he still running with the first team defense ?!
I know its a bitter pill to swallow to admit that the team made a mistake on a #1 pick .... but if thats the case then they may as well get it over with and put the best guy on the field rather than give Jackson a longer leash ..... that costs them games. The margin of error in this league is just too small.
michaelm
vox nihili
Dammit. It got me twice. I left the MB to do some work, then went to lunch. The song was out of my head until I read your response.
It's a viscous circle.
This is me returning the favor.
Has anyone who seen him responded to this thread?
Or just a bunch of negative nancies?
I have no doubt in my mind, Wade is going to put the best guy out there & I don't give a **** if it's KJ or Harris.
They may be trying to boost KJac's confidence the way tried to pump Studdard last season before giving the job to Wade Smith (who did earn it).
We'll see.
IBleedTexans
Superbowl Bound
Yea I went to camo sunday and he looked horrible.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Other than those things, he's doing ok... Lol!!!
KJ hasn't shown much progress, according to the practice reports. I will be absolutely shocked if our CB's on 9-11 aren't JoJo and JA. That just makes so much more sense than any other combo we can run out after 1 wk of TC. If KJ slips in the shower, hits his head and wakes up playin like Prime Time, then, by all means, play the man. But it needs to be that kind of change in order for KJ to get the nod.
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
How many ints did Kareem have last year 4? I think even if it was one I still think it was more than the pay me rick guy...what was his name? I think it was "They dont throw at me cause Petey's on the other side" Robinson.
Give KJ25 some time I think he is gonna be solid.
Give KJ25 some time I think he is gonna be solid.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Two.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13254/kareem-jackson
If someone was at camp and could tell why Kj seems to fall down as noted above? Is he getting feet entangled or being juked out of his tennies or what?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Um. No.
Kareem Jackson had:
2 interceptions, 10 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 58 tackles, 13 assists
Dunta Robinson had:
1 interception, 7 passes defensed, 1 fumble recovered, 52 tackles, 2 assists
Jason Allen had (with the Dolphins and Texans combined):
6 interceptions, 12 passes defensed, 46 tackles, 13 assists
For completeness' sake...
Glover Quin had:
3 interceptions, 14 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumbles recovered, 71 tackles, 14 assists
Johnathon Joseph had:
3 interceptions, 8 passes defensed, 37 tackles, 5 assists, 1 touchdown
Outside of FSM .... no one else claims to have gone , for the most part going off of the same information those of us who havent get .... which is why I wanted specifically those who had attended practice to respond .... to get a first hand perspective. (Not that I didnt expect others to chime in )
Maybe it's not bashing.
Maybe its just analysis.
Maybe he is actually doing a bad job?
Include how many times each was thrown at...just sayin...
For me it goes even beyond that.
Corners shouldn't be giving up a bunch of big plays.
Receivers are going to catch balls. As long as you are in the vicinity to make a play or make a tackle you can play. If you are constantly giving up big plays then all of your statistics go out the window IMO.
Allstar
Bona fide
I went on Saturday. It's hard to really gauge how well these DBs are doing when they can't go full contact and hit. I know I saw Manning want to knock the hell out of a couple guys coming down with catches, but they have to restrain. I only saw KJ really get beat once by Walter. He seemed to be doing alright to me. McMannis and Harris were the ones who were making plays though...
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Those were the stats I had. I'd have to search around more for Targets. I'll check around and see if I can find them.
Allstar
Bona fide
Jackson, sorry.
I've been as critical as anyone of Jackson's play last season. But, I can't see how anyone can ascertain Kareem's abilty this season off of a few practices. I hope Jackson does get the start against the Jets. And the Saints. Going against guys like Holmes, Burress, and Colston should tell us (and more importantly, the coaches) whether Kareem has improved over his rookie season. Right now, Jackson is a big ? and until he sees live bullets his progress can't be truly determined.
Allstar
Bona fide
Agreed, if he's gonna get torched, at least let it happen when the games don't matter.
I dont think it's just the practices but rather the practices coupled with last seasons performance. Some of the same things folks are seeing in practice are the same things that haunted him last year.
But I'm with you on seeing how he plays in a game before trying another option. I want to see how he has improved with better coaching.
Have you ever watched them work-out before the games? The CBs always get burnt, the RBs always break a long one...
It's practice.
Preseason games are still practice, but you're going against a different team, & you don't care about their feelings.
I agree with you & I agree with Lucky (especially)... we don't know what their goals are in practice enough to say, he's looking good, he's not looking so good.
Preseason will tell us a little more.
TimeKiller
Guest
Yeah, I don't know if y'all have ever practiced anything before but it's not always brilliant. Kareem's got a long way to go in my mind, after last season and the debacle of an offseason it would be nice to hear he came into came shutting dudes down but that was never going to be the case. Still, I don't think his play or attitude merit another free ride to start over guys he is not clearly more talented than. I think he is in the position to earn whatever he gets, even if he earns himself dime duties or bench warming spots. Yeah, being a 1st round pick ought to have higher expectations and especially with this franchise the expectation to start AND make an impact. But that isn't the case, not yet, maybe never but definitely for the right now- KJ should be learning behind VETERANS like he didn't do last year.
silvrhand
All Pro
I wasn't trying to say you were the one slamming him, there have been numerous threads on this subject already. I've been busting my butt @work during the offseason, I work a pretty intensive job so offseason is just go away time for me and then football I get my 8 weekends a year to not be @work.
silvrhand
All Pro
My point exactly we seem to be firing more bullets like he was the only problem in our defense last year. The fact is this is a team game, whether that means coaching, help over the top, more pressure from the front 7, or KJ stepping up his game. We live and die as a defensive team, and last year we didn't seem to do that at all.
Ultimately the players we have now are the players we have, the coaches have to eval the players, and then figure out how they can put their players in the "best" position they can to win. If the coaches can't figure out how to win with KJ, then he needs to wash out or move on. But for our own teams sake how about we stop drinking the hatorade and pull for him to get better instead?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
It's only the very very beginning of training camp, so obviously you try to take all the positive reports with a tiny dose of skepticism, but! It just does not sound like Kareem Jackson has improved at all, either through offseason work on his own, or with the new coaching he is getting now.
I mean he is capable of putting together solid seasons of CB play in the NFL possibly, but as far as the point of the thread, right now there's not much out there in the media or in the eyes of fans who have seen his recent work, to think that he is improving at all.
I firmly believe we at least keep him on the roster for this year and see where he takes it, but in no way will you ever find me defending almost anything 2010 Kareem Jackson on the field of play it was really really bad. I know there's a thread by 76 that has a lot of great photos in it and great breakdown about what ALL went wrong with the secondary not just Jackson and I respect him for that. But as of the time I am writing this, I think it's fair to say that reports out of training camp and the occasional youtube video that has popped up, aren't showing us anything encouraging.
I mean he is capable of putting together solid seasons of CB play in the NFL possibly, but as far as the point of the thread, right now there's not much out there in the media or in the eyes of fans who have seen his recent work, to think that he is improving at all.
I firmly believe we at least keep him on the roster for this year and see where he takes it, but in no way will you ever find me defending almost anything 2010 Kareem Jackson on the field of play it was really really bad. I know there's a thread by 76 that has a lot of great photos in it and great breakdown about what ALL went wrong with the secondary not just Jackson and I respect him for that. But as of the time I am writing this, I think it's fair to say that reports out of training camp and the occasional youtube video that has popped up, aren't showing us anything encouraging.