20-11 were named today and AJ still hasn't been called yet, and there's only 1 more receiver left on the board so it's definitely gotta be him. Despite not putting up typical AJ stats and playing through injury, he still gets the most respect in the league. I hope he cracks the top 5.
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AJ made Top 10 on NFL's Top 100.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
these rankings seem reflective more of past performance rather than what they've done lately. For instance how can Aaron Rodgers not be rated over Drew Brees? He just had one of the all time great seasons, followed by post season capped off with impressive Super Bowl win, Packers never would have experienced without his poise & leadership.
Andre was shutdown end of season on a miserable under achieving Texan team. Thought Roddy White actually had the better season. For finishers Nnamdi Asomugha is still the best CB, on a bad defense who doesn't get thrown against so I guess if the Texans did sign him as a street free agent, teams would still go after Kareem Jackson
Andre was shutdown end of season on a miserable under achieving Texan team. Thought Roddy White actually had the better season. For finishers Nnamdi Asomugha is still the best CB, on a bad defense who doesn't get thrown against so I guess if the Texans did sign him as a street free agent, teams would still go after Kareem Jackson
rush2112mn
Rookie
I think he will be in top 5 myself....
I agree. I like and greatly respect Ray Lewis, but no way is he in the top 10 of current players with regards to who they are right now. JMO
eriadoc
Texan-American
... which goes back to an argument I made in the other thread about the top 100 - Arian Foster is not top 100 yet. Someone else argued against me that this list was supposed to be for the current season only, but it clearly isn't.
yeah, any time opinions are the foundation for a list like this, it's going to be flawed. I never pay much attention to these lists with music groups or guitar players, mainly because I always disagree.
What is interesting about this list, though, is that AJ is the only player in the top 10 that has never seen a playoff game. Man, this franchise is teetering on the cliff of pathetic right now.
Allstar
Bona fide
Oh my. That's a unique list you got there.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
these rankings seem reflective more of past performance rather than what they've done lately. For instance how can Aaron Rodgers not be rated over Drew Brees? He just had one of the all time great seasons, followed by post season capped off with impressive Super Bowl win, Packers never would have experienced without his poise & leadership.
Andre was shutdown end of season on a miserable under achieving Texan team. Thought Roddy White actually had the better season. For finishers Nnamdi Asomugha is still the best CB, on a bad defense who doesn't get thrown against so I guess if the Texans did sign him as a street free agent, teams would still go after Kareem Jackson
I disagree guys. The fact that both Vonta and Arian made the list lends itself to guys with some recent success as well as those with "reputation" (for lack of a better term).
Well I definitely respect the list because of the way it was compiled. The players having the say means a lot to me. It's when the media and fans get involved that things tend to get really goofy, IMO.
I think you are right that reputation played a part. That's why Ray Lewis is in the top 10. But, where I'd disagree is that this is the "Top 100 Players of 2011", not the top 100 of all-time.
Is today's Ray Lewis better than today's James Harrison or Patrick Willis? The players collectively think so. I was just under the impression that this list was about who they are right now, not what they did in 2010 and before. But, it's their list and their opinions, so I'm not really debating it as much as I am just commenting my own thoughts.
Although, in defense of Ray Lewis, his leadership is above and beyond what you see with other teams, so that probably played a factor, as well....and he is still a badass, even in his later years.
False Start
On # 69
He came in at #7, not bad at all. 
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
so what did they say, missed it
He should have been #1 just for the Cortland beatdown alone. Not gonna lie, I enjoyed watching that again
No, he should have made number 1 on attitude alone..... who with his talent in the NFL these days has his attitude?
Throw in the talent, along with attitude and team loyalty.......... missing number one is a shame.
As stated though, for our standings as a team.... for him to make #7 speaks volumes and isnt to bad.
The beat down is just bonus.
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
Terrell Suggs .. they had a lot of people talking about him. It was a good piece
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
I agree, but with this being a players vote & so many players do not like Cortland, I thought he would go higher based on that alone.
He does make Schaub look good
(and yes, Schaub is good, but Andre makes him look amazing)
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
MFG16
Waterboy
Heres the video for those interested: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d82092a17/Top-100-Andre-Johnson?module=HP_cp2
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
10. peppers
9. brees
8. revis
7. andre
6. polamalu
5. reed
4. lewis
3. peterson
2. manning
1. brady
If Manning missed the whole year, could the Colts go 11-5 ? No way !
And no way Lewis belongs on that list. 5 years ago, but absolutely not in 2011. And I'm not even a Cowboys fan, but for example DeMarcus Ware is so much more valuable, certainly more effective than Lewis in the NFL today.
ThaShark316
#28
It's why i know for a fact that its a players vote.
It's an acknowledgement by the players that intangibles and leadership count. Lewis has the same amount of these qualities as Brady & Manning. He's still the preeminent leader on defense.
ThaShark316
#28
That's what I'm saying basically. It's good that its a players vote...I'd much rather the players than GMs/experts who discredit a guy STRICTLY by him losing a step.
That said, I said "I know its a players vote", because of some omissions and the that Ray Lewis is top 5. They respect the hell out of him, and feel some players are overrated in their eyes.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I would have guessed Revis would rank higher than AJ. Lets be honest, when they face up head-to-head, Revis does a pretty good job on him.
I would have also never guessed Ed Reed would be ranked higher than Polamalu. TBH, I would have never guessed Reed would make the top 10.
I'm pretty happy with the top 3. Personally, I'd have Peyton as #1, but I totally understand Brady at that spot. I'd have AP at #3 as well.
I would have also never guessed Ed Reed would be ranked higher than Polamalu. TBH, I would have never guessed Reed would make the top 10.
I'm pretty happy with the top 3. Personally, I'd have Peyton as #1, but I totally understand Brady at that spot. I'd have AP at #3 as well.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I would. Ed Reed has been the best safety in the game for some time, IMO. A few years ago, he would have been my #1 choice for a player to start a defense with.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Didn't Ed Reed lead the NFL in INTs last year despite missing 4 games?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I think Peterson is a pretty damn good RB and all but #3 overall player? Props to AJ, that was a really good video.
Huge Andre fan here. Huge Texans fan. But...its nonense to say he should have been higher at the 3rd spot or even 1st is ludicrous. Every tme he's faced Darrelle Revis, he's been shut down. The players got the top 10 right, putting Revis aead of Johnson. Had it not been for Brady having an unbelievable statistical season and Revis being injured for the time he was, I would put Revis as #1 with how dominant he is at his position. Its incredible how easily and consistently he takes the NFL's best wideouts and future hall of famers out of the equation indefinitly. He's done it in consecutive seasons and haven't seen him be a show boat about it.
With that said, and to pay homage to the cliche, while extremely accurate.....it is a QB DRIVEN league so therefor Tom Brady is fittingly the best, all things considered.
With that said, and to pay homage to the cliche, while extremely accurate.....it is a QB DRIVEN league so therefor Tom Brady is fittingly the best, all things considered.
You don't know that to be true. 100% speculation on your part.
Has Manning ever went 16-0? No way! Silly arguments go both ways.
Don't be a hater. Both are elite QBs and first ballot HoFers. This wasn't a popularity contest. This was the perspective of players, and that makes it so much better than lists voted by fans, media, and/or coaches, IMHO.
I would have had no problem if 1 and 2 had been reversed. They are both that good.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Well...we all know the ranking is very wrong then. If anything, at least switch those two as Revis has owned Johnson every chance he's gotten. So has Asomugah. I still think Revis is better.
The point I was trying to make is that Johnson can't be 3rd overall if Revis is #6 or #8...whatever, if Revis is #20, then Johnson at the very least needs to be 21, in essence behind Revis.
I would like to see a coaches poll on this subject. Players are too likely to vote like a fan, i.e. ESPN highlights, alma mater loyalty, etc.
I would like to see who the coaches gameplan for and worry about facing the most. Some players get a lot of credit for being in the right place at the right time when it was actually a different player that caused it. A DE getting a sack because a DT collapsed the pocket or a RB making a long run becaauase the WR kicked ass blocking down the field. I think that would make a very interesting list and probably quite a bit different than this top 100.
I would like to see who the coaches gameplan for and worry about facing the most. Some players get a lot of credit for being in the right place at the right time when it was actually a different player that caused it. A DE getting a sack because a DT collapsed the pocket or a RB making a long run becaauase the WR kicked ass blocking down the field. I think that would make a very interesting list and probably quite a bit different than this top 100.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Well then maybe Ted Ginn Jr. should be ranked higher than both Dre and Revis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPtJF-IgPc
C'mon. In terms of overall body of work, who is Ted Ginn?
Get out of here with that. As lame an attempt as they come.
Randy Moss burned him with a long TD one handed grab last year. With your logic, Moss should be ranked ahead Revis and Johnson for the 2011 season season also.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Defensive much?C'mon. In terms of overall body of work, who is Ted Ginn?
Get out of here with that. As lame an attempt as they come.
Randy Moss burned him with a long TD one handed grab last year. With your logic, Moss should be ranked ahead Revis and Johnson for the 2011 season season also.
I just think your logic is kind of flawed. I understand where you're coming from but it's just not as black and white as that. AJ gets shut down by Revis and Nnamdi. Revis gets burned by Randy Moss and Ted Ginn Jr. (by your own admission a nobody). I'm not saying Revis isn't any good, he's top 10 where he should be... just like AJ.
Julius Peppers controlled the line of scrimmage in the game the Bears won against the Vikings. The same game that Peterson got 51 yards off 17 carries and NO touchdowns. But Peppers is 10th and Peterson is 3rd.
I'm about as big a fan as Nnamdi as they come. I think he's better than Revis. But with that said, he doesn't cover the opposing teams' #1 WR the whole time. Watch the Texans games and he doesn't always shut down AJ, he's guarding Kevin Walter a lot of snaps.
Look...Andre is my boy, my favorite player...bar none. But...what you stated there, it makes Andre look even worse. So when the Johnson faces the Raiders, Johnson is ineffective regardless of Asomugah covering him or not. Since Andre is our best player...he should have a stellar game. If not he...then someone else given that he takes coverages away from the other guys. But that doesn't even happen. So in most snaps, Andre faces the Raiders' #2 corner and still can't get close to 100 yards or score a TD. Johnson is completely shut down.
If you're a top 10 player on a 2011 or any list for the matter....that means you're a huge impact player. All things considered....he is a top talent, but both Asomugah and Revis should be ranked ahead of him. They've had his number or simply put...Johnson hasn't been able to have theirs. And when that's the case...those two guys should be ahead of him. Hate like hell to admit that...but, I can't bring myself to seeing it any other way. It's not only happened once against them. It's happened each and every time when facing them. That's a trend...not an anomaly.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I'm not trying to paint Revis, Nnamdi or Andre in any better or worse light, I'm just commenting on their games as objectively as possible. I respect each of their games tremendously and think they're phenomenal players. Nnamdi faces a lot of #2 WRs (could his stats be inflated because of that)? Revis is great but can be beat. AJ has been "shut down" but he's also been double and triple teamed. All players have good games and bad games.
AJ didn't play in the Oakland game this season.
In 2009 he had 2 catches for 66 yards. Schaub hit 7 different receivers and only had 22 attempts. We won that game 29-6 and were a running team as evidenced by 41 rushing attempts.
In 2008 AJ was limited to 2 receptions and 19 yards.... but OD had a career day with 7 receptions and 111 yards.
AJ didn't play in the Oakland game during the 2007 season.
The point I'm trying to make here again is it's not as black and white as player X didn't do good against player Y so player Y is better than X. He may not have done well in a game but like you said, when they're concentrating on him it opens things up for others. Sometimes we just suck as a whole though. You and are both in the same boat with AJ being our favorite player so I'm not saying anything you don't already know. I'm just disagreeing with the way your concluding your rankings.
I think AJ is a top 5 or top 10 talent easy. I wouldn't mess with Brady and Peyton being #1 and #2 at all though. If the list came out and Nnamdi and Revis were both voted ahead of AJ I probably wouldn't have even been that surprised. But we're all in agreement that AJ is the best WR in the league and definitely one of the best overall players.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You don't know that to be true. 100% speculation on your part.
Has Manning ever went 16-0? No way! Silly arguments go both ways.
Don't be a hater. Both are elite QBs and first ballot HoFers. This wasn't a popularity contest. This was the perspective of players, and that makes it so much better than lists voted by fans, media, and/or coaches, IMHO.
I would have had no problem if 1 and 2 had been reversed. They are both that good.
Lol DB......alway
.No denying the 2nd part to what you said........but you good & well know that the colts wouldn't even be close to what they are if manning misses any signifcant chunk of time in any given season. Dude is effectively the last of his kind in the sense that he pretty much calls his own plays.
You also know that if it wasn't for the coaching staff, not only would Manning & the Colts also have a 16-0 season under their belt going back 2 years ago, (Caldwell pulled starters & Let the Jets rip into Sorgi.) But Manning also likely has the record for most TD's in a season..(he was forced to sit out the last regular season game of 2004).
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Lol DB......alway
No denying the 2nd part to what you said........but you good & well know that the colts wouldn't even be close to what they are if manning misses any signifcant chunk of time in any given season. Dude is effectively the last of his kind in the sense that he pretty much calls his own plays.
You also know that if it wasn't for the coaching staff, not only would Manning & the Colts also have a 16-0 season under their belt going back 2 years ago, (Caldwell pulled starters & Let the Jets rip into Sorgi.) But Manning also likely has the record for most TD's in a season..(he was forced to sit out the last regular season game of 2004).
Man, this entire post is nothing but speculation. Nothing here supports that the Colts would have ever gone 16-0 other than well speculation. The only team that has done that in the last 20 years was the Pats led by Tom Brady who threw 50 TD's who also happens to have two more rings than Manning. Manning has also lost more of their head to head match ups in the post season. And in both of their SB losses BRady's defense gave the game away when his offense had it clinched while Manning threw it away himself with a pick to the other team for a TD. Lets not let facts get in the way of this speculated argument though.