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You've got the other guys (OD, Ward), Rick Smith. Now sign The Coke Machine. That is all.
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Well they should discuss making it rain on Vonta then.Even though there is an extension, no "football business" can be done, only meetings between the union and the NFL.
Leach is now an UFA. READ THIS SEPT 2010 ARTICLE:http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7201305.htmlAnything left on his contract ?
He is a "DIAMOND".......but not in the rough. If when all is said and done, they let him get away..........I will know that the FO has not changed its spots one bit."What matters to me is winning," he said. "If you win, everything takes care of itself."
According to his head coach, Leach is essentially a win-loss barometer.
"Vonta is a catalyst for our team," Gary Kubiak said Sunday. "Where he goes, we tend to go."
well the texans should of taken care of this way before this point.Even though there is an extension, no "football business" can be done, only meetings between the union and the NFL.
Hey-O!!!!!I thought the coke machine was Michael Irvin?
Since when did you get Spellcheck?Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO
If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo
And what fa FB is out there that will be cheaper and "just as good" as all-pro Vonte Leach?Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO
If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo
Dude that was pathetic with spell check.Since when did you get Spellcheck?
Guy just gets All Pro and 1st team Pro Bowl and you act like he is dime a dozen. Leach is one of the top three FB's in the league - I'd say the top but to not be a homer. Several times this year I watched LB's punch drunk walking away from him after his blocks (twice they walked off the field and had to be replaced). He is not a plug and play player.Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO
If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo
That has to be one of the silliest posts from norg yet.Dude that was pathetic with spell check.
Guy just gets All Pro and 1st team Pro Bowl and you act like he is dime a dozen. Leach is one of the top three FB's in the league - I'd say the top but to not be a homer. Several times this year I watched LB's punch drunk walking away from him after his blocks (twice they walked off the field and had to be replaced). He is not a plug and play player.
You've got the other guys (OD, Ward), Rick Smith. Now sign The Coke Machine. That is all.
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All the above!Make him the highest paid FB in football.
I tried to rep ya.....must spread it around first.And what fa FB is out there that will be cheaper and "just as good" as all-pro Vonte Leach?
You really out do yourself sometimes.
Oh man. Firstly we can sign everyone back - no one is going to be commanding that high of a contract, and the resignings so far have been at a good price for the Texans.Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO
If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo
I think I totally agree with this message, but maybe I'm too drunk. Or maybe not drunk enough. But WTH is relevised?Oh man. Firstly we can sign everyone back - no one is going to be commanding that high of a contract, and the resignings so far have been at a good price for the Texans.
Secondly have you seen Vonta play before? For the league wide respect that Von-train has gotten playing for a rarely relevised, less publicized football team - well that just shows you how damn good he has been.
Leach was, and is the top of my 'resign this dude' list.
A closed mouth gathers no feet.Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO
If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo
Has anybody ever seen Norg actually respond to a question posed to him on these boards? Ever? Even one time?And what fa FB is out there that will be cheaper and "just as good" as all-pro Vonte Leach?
You really out do yourself sometimes.
Has anybody ever seen Norg actually respond to a question posed to him on these boards? Ever? Even one time?
LINKWith the flurry of Texans signings on Thursday, one name that never came across the wire was Vonta Leach. He of course had a lot to do with Arian Foster's NFL-leading rushing performance in 2010, but a new deal could not be reached in time for this bizarre "CBA Purgatory" we're now mired in.
With the secrecy present in most NFL contract negotiations, we are kind of on our own as far as how things are going with Leach's chances of remaining in Houston. This is where we turn to the maddening yet whimsical world of Twitter. A place where NFL players can interact with their fans, and with each other.
Of course, these Twitter updates by Leach are nothing more than that. It seems as if he's letting his agent do all the work, and accepting whatever outcome pops out the other end. That's a typical way for players to handle contract negotiations, of course - I just wish he seemed a bit more demonstrative in his desire to stay in Houston.
Here are some sample Tweets from Leach's timeline over the past few weeks:
Then there is this one, right after the end of the season:"I love the fans Its the front office who has to make that decision"
"@ArianFoster thanks man I want to be in Houston but they have to want mr Herr"
"@tcwyrick it going great ready to get this CBa done and see where will I be playing this year"
That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence."Thank u texan fans for a great 5 years I may have played my last game in Houston and it was a hell of a ride"
I want Leach to come back, and no doubt his teammates want him back too. Does he want to come back? I guess we won't know until he signs a deal here, or if he signs elsewhere we'll have to see if the money would have been a reasonable amount to retain him.
Fullbacks are not pieces that can't be replaced, but the one thing the Texans have going for them is their running game. Leach should be (and probably is) their biggest offensive priority. To keep Leach, the Texans are going to have no choice but to overpay a bit. Leach will want to be the highest-paid FB in the league, and he should be. He is 29, and in the prime of his career.
Maybe it's because I'm a cynic at heart, but I feel like there's a much better chance that he leaves the Texans now that they weren't able to reach a deal before (eventual) free agency. Leach said himself [in the Chronicle]that he would test the free agent waters if they weren't able to make a deal prior to Thursday.
Unless Vonta is insane, whatever number his people have in mind can't possibly be too much to pay for the Texans to lose their running game mojo. Let's not forget, he is a fullback. It's not a glamour position. But how much is too much?"I'm hoping we can get something done because I want to return, but if we can't, I'll test the market when (free agency) begins,"
Don't know about last year specifically but when his last deal was done he became the highest paid FB at that time.Wasn't Vonta already the highest paid FB in the league this past year?
Wasn't Vonta already the highest paid FB in the league this past year?
LINKThe Eagles have agreed to terms with FB Leonard Weaver on a three-year deal worth $11 million (and could be valued at $12 million with incentives) and includes $6.5 million guaranteed, according to league sources.
Weaver is coming off a Pro Bowl season and becomes the highest-paid fullback in NFL history. He became a key cog in the Eagles offense, catching and running with the ball, as well as blocking. He had 70 carries for 323 yards and two touchdowns on the ground to go along with two receiving scores in 2009.
LINKFullbacks are, for the most part, being phased out in modern NFL offenses, but if they're good enough they can still make big money. The Jacksonville Jaguars announced today that they have signed fullback Greg Jones to a contract extension, and Pro Football Talk reports that he'll be the highest-paid fullback in NFL history.
Per PFT, the contract is a five-year, $17.4 million deal, which breaks down like this:
2008: $2.5 million signing bonus, $1.5 million roster bonus, $525,000 salary
2009: $500,000 roster bonus, $2.48 million base salary
2010: $3 million base salary
2011: $3.1 million base salary
2012: $3.4 million base salary
In each year of the deal, Jones gets a per-game roster bonus worth a total of $50,000, and a workout bonus of $50,000. Overall, Jones will average $3.4 million over five years, which is the biggest average value for a fullback's contract in history. The previous record was $3 million a year in the six-year, $18 million deal signed by Ovie Mughelli with the Falcons.
So is Jones worth that kind of money? In the Jaguars' offense, he probably is. He lines up as an I-formation fullback and blocks for Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew, and he can contribute as a runner in short-yardage situations. That doesn't necessarily mean Jones would have been able to command that kind of money from another team -- many teams just aren't interested in spending money on a fullback -- but the Jaguars decided that they didn't want to run the risk of losing him.
He's worth 4.5 mill a year if that's what it's going to cost to bring him back. Arian Foster is not Arian Foster without Vonta Leach. They make the same reads which is why this running game is so successful. Foster and Leach work in unison. When Slaton struggled in 2009 it was because he couldn't find the holes or lanes to run through. Foster and Leach make the same reads and are already thinking two steps ahead by the time they even turn the corner or make their first cut.So we're looking at something around 3.5mil$ a year, at the least?
Nice chunk of cash, but... considering the work he's putting in I'm inclined to believe that he's worth it.
We'll see...
A couple of years ago when Andre had that BEASTLY TD where he plowed through all those guys, I was really worried that Vonta was going to get flagged because he was in the grill talking smack to one of the guys on the ground.He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre.
Make no mistake, I'm a huge Vonta fan and I am very much aware of the enormous job he does. I would love to see him back, but I'm unsure if it's worth overpaying him by several milions. He's worth the money, but is he worth the hit on the cap?He's worth 4.5 mill a year if that's what it's going to cost to bring him back. Arian Foster is not Arian Foster without Vonta Leach. They make the same reads which is why this running game is so successful. Foster and Leach work in unison. When Slaton struggled in 2009 it was because he couldn't find the holes or lanes to run through. Foster and Leach make the same reads and are already thinking two steps ahead by the time they even turn the corner or make their first cut.
Plus Leach is a devastating run blocker, late in the 2nd half of games LBers shy away, because they're beat up from taking hits from Vonta. (watch the Colts and Jags game) He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre. He's always getting in someone's face and when he does, the opposing player almost always back down. He's the muscle on the offense, I'm pretty sure we're going to bring him back, but if by some slim chance they don't....that will prove the brain trust is completely incompetent of ever bringing a winning team to this city. There is no way in hell they are going to be able to just plug some guy into that role and have anywhere near the same success. Vonta Leach is a MUST sign, our postseason hopes for next season depend on it.
Yeah, Leech is the Pepsi Machine.I thought the coke machine was Michael Irvin?
I agree with everything said here!He's worth 4.5 mill a year if that's what it's going to cost to bring him back. Arian Foster is not Arian Foster without Vonta Leach. They make the same reads which is why this running game is so successful. Foster and Leach work in unison. When Slaton struggled in 2009 it was because he couldn't find the holes or lanes to run through. Foster and Leach make the same reads and are already thinking two steps ahead by the time they even turn the corner or make their first cut.
Plus Leach is a devastating run blocker, late in the 2nd half of games LBers shy away, because they're beat up from taking hits from Vonta. (watch the Colts and Jags game) He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre. He's always getting in someone's face and when he does, the opposing player almost always back down. He's the muscle on the offense, I'm pretty sure we're going to bring him back, but if by some slim chance they don't....that will prove the brain trust is completely incompetent of ever bringing a winning team to this city. There is no way in hell they are going to be able to just plug some guy into that role and have anywhere near the same success. Vonta Leach is a MUST sign, our postseason hopes for next season depend on it.
I tend to agree. Particularly given the zone system the Texans run, as good as Leach is, the Texans can replace him with talent elsewhere. Because Leach is such a poor pass catcher and route runner (simply due to lack of speed and quickness), it limits his usefulness on offense... even in the run game.Make no mistake, I'm a huge Vonta fan and I am very much aware of the enormous job he does. I would love to see him back, but I'm unsure if it's worth overpaying him by several milions. He's worth the money, but is he worth the hit on the cap?
April 12, 2011 4:59 p.m. - UNC TE Ryan Taylor visited privately with the Texans on Monday, according to National Football Post.com. Taylor served as the Tar Heels' captain on special teams and can also play FB or H-Back, the website reported. Pro Bowl FB Vonta Leach is a free agent. Texans RapidReports
When I looked him up, he was listed as much as if not more as a FB than as a TEJust saw this. Could this be just another "collectible" TE..............or a Vonta replacement??? I hope not an anticipated replacement for our FB.
Same weight as Vonta (~245) but 6'4" (Vonta 6')???...........No thank you. I'll stand pat.When I looked him up, he was listed as much as if not more as a FB than as a TE
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombinedetail.php?draftyear=2011&GenPos=FB&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC
Leach is only 29. Lorenzo Neal played until he was 38. Tony Richardson's 39 and still in the league.i cant give yall another name for da FB because im not a Football Scout and they dont pay me 2 Scout Things ???? esp UNder the radar Guyz
all im saying is i know how our Front offfice thinks Obvs FB take alot of abuse and Leech is getting kinda up there
it would be wise to go younger and cheaper in there eyes
and besides u can look at tape there were time last year were are run game was shut DOWN .... thats all im saying
Texans Chick had a blog recently that revealed that last year, Foster's conversion success was essentially the same with and without Vonta. However, this is as much a testament of how good Foster was, not that Vonta was not a significant factor in our running game........not to mention his value in pass protection. The FB does not lend itself to accurate evaluation by statistical means. Anyone that would try to minimize Vonta's value in our system has at very least not been very observant, if not entirely delusional. Clinging to stats in this case could be encouraging one to "Don't believe your lying eyes."Has Leach ever been hurt before? I don't know why I get this memory of him being hurt and it having to change our offense quite a bit due to the fact we had to run James Casey as the FB. It may've been in the preseason but I recall it showing us how important a full time full back was to our offense.
Or it could be that we are looking at a young FB with the hopes of signing one as a UDFA to make for camp space.