Broncos - Please whup the Texans

[ToxicButt]

This is going to tick some people off but, as per the title, I'm hoping for a lopsided win by the Broncos. Here is why:

- this season is a huge failure, whether we win or lose the last two games.

- Bob McNair needs to be embarrassed into firing Kubiak. Nothing short of two more decisive losses to cap off a 5-11 season will do it. We're talking about startin 4-2, and then closing with a 1-9 record. Hell, I'm not 100% sure that two more horrific losses will do the trick, but it's important that this happen. Critical.

- Losing the last two games will enhance our draft pick status, which is damn important since we need all the help we can get.

- I want AJ to sit. He is too damn valuable and has given as much or more than anyone else on the team. I also want him to sit to help us lose this game.

- For those of you that want us to win the game, you better be huge kubiak supporters.

- For those of you that are thinking it's worth winning two meaningless games, just consider that dropping a few draft spots could cost us a prized prospect.

- Just four years ago, Jeff Van Gundy insisted that the Rockets win a meaningless season finale, which cost the Rockets the ability to draft Brandon Roy. Granted, his knees are now shot, but that's beside the point.

- I'm not saying that a team should openly tank.

- I'm saying that as a fan, you should want to lose every game after you're eliminated from the playoffs, unless you're wanting to protect the coaching staff.

 

[Texecutioner]

Agree 100%.

 

[burro]

It seems to me that this topic is a dead horse. If you want to root for the team to lose, that's your prerogative - but I doubt you're going to convince anyone to root against their team for the sake of drafting high (its not like good draft positions have been of much use to use in the past). Besides, considering McNair's attitude, I doubt 5-11 will make much of a difference from 7-9. If he's going to dump Kubiak, he will do so.

 

[Yesterday]

Agree completely. However, I'm not sure I can watch the game and not root for the Texans so I may just watch highlights and read the summaries/box score.

 

[TexCanada]

 

[steelbtexan]

This is going to tick some people off but, as per the title, I'm hoping for a lopsided win by the Broncos. Here is why:

- this season is a huge failure, whether we win or lose the last two games.

- Bob McNair needs to be embarrassed into firing Kubiak. Nothing short of two more decisive losses to cap off a 5-11 season will do it. We're talking about startin 4-2, and then closing with a 1-9 record. Hell, I'm not 100% sure that two more horrific losses will do the trick, but it's important that this happen. Critical.

- Losing the last two games will enhance our draft pick status, which is damn important since we need all the help we can get.

- I want AJ to sit. He is too damn valuable and has given as much or more than anyone else on the team. I also want him to sit to help us lose this game.

- For those of you that want us to win the game, you better be huge kubiak supporters.

- For those of you that are thinking it's worth winning two meaningless games, just consider that dropping a few draft spots could cost us a prized prospect.

- Just four years ago, Jeff Van Gundy insisted that the Rockets win a meaningless season finale, which cost the Rockets the ability to draft Brandon Roy. Granted, his knees are now shot, but that's beside the point.

- I'm not saying that a team should openly tank.

- I'm saying that as a fan, you should want to lose every game after you're eliminated from the playoffs, unless you're wanting to protect the coaching staff.

While I get what you are saying.

It's not in my DNA to wish for the Texans to lose.

 

[VTexan]

I think Kubes is gone no matter what now. I'm not hoping we lose but at the same time it would be nice getting a solid draft pick.


I am pretty indifferent of the outcome this weekend.

 

[dream_team]

Call me what you want... But I want the Texans to win every game it plays! I don't ever want to be associated with a team that openly losses on purpose.

 

[BSofA04]

I agree. But your post reminded me of a game in 2005 against the 49ers. Too bad Kris Brown isn't here to shank (wink wink) a chip shot field goal. At least we knew then we were playing in the Reggie Bush Bowl (and we took Mario hahahaha). Is this the Bill Cowher Bowl?

 

[steelbtexan]

Call me what you want... But I want the Texans to win every game it plays! I don't ever want to be associated with a team that openly losses on purpose.

Says the Rocket fan

Hakeem was aquired thru tanking.

Same with Duncan

 

[DexmanC]

This is going to tick some people off but, as per the title, I'm hoping for a lopsided win by the Broncos. Here is why:

- this season is a huge failure, whether we win or lose the last two games.

- Bob McNair needs to be embarrassed into firing Kubiak. Nothing short of two more decisive losses to cap off a 5-11 season will do it. We're talking about startin 4-2, and then closing with a 1-9 record. Hell, I'm not 100% sure that two more horrific losses will do the trick, but it's important that this happen. Critical.

- Losing the last two games will enhance our draft pick status, which is damn important since we need all the help we can get.

- I want AJ to sit. He is too damn valuable and has given as much or more than anyone else on the team. I also want him to sit to help us lose this game.

- For those of you that want us to win the game, you better be huge kubiak supporters.

- For those of you that are thinking it's worth winning two meaningless games, just consider that dropping a few draft spots could cost us a prized prospect.

- Just four years ago, Jeff Van Gundy insisted that the Rockets win a meaningless season finale, which cost the Rockets the ability to draft Brandon Roy. Granted, his knees are now shot, but that's beside the point.

- I'm not saying that a team should openly tank.

- I'm saying that as a fan, you should want to lose every game after you're eliminated from the playoffs, unless you're wanting to protect the coaching staff.

I was gonna consider this thread blasphemy, but I can't disagree
with a damn bit of it.

Here's to Kubiak's (post)-Christmas looking like this:
:kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm:

 

[machineo]

If the team doesn't show up in Denver, all the owners will be patting McNair on the back for not overtraining his team over the holidays.

 

[Maddict5]

i dont want to lose but im indifferent about the game. i think kubiaks staying on regardless. the broncos wont blow us out btw. i also think a good draft pick would help and to continue the basketball analogies we're kinda like that 40 win team stuck in purgatory cos we havent been quite good enough to make the playoffs or bad enough to draft the elite talent it takes to get there.

obviously basketball drafts have far less overall talent in them but i d ont see that much harm in a team tanking a lost season. hell the jags did it last yr and now they playing hard for the division this year

 

[Showtime100]

Texans - Please whup the Broncos. After you're done get rid of Kubiak and Company.

 

[Grams]

Losing the game to get a higher draft pick is not going to work out very well if Kubiak is still here.

While I believe that Kubiak needs to go - and go now, I cannot root for my team to loose to anyone.

Go Texans!!!

 

[Malloy]

If you want the Texans to lose tomorrow, then you must be a Broncos fan. End of story.

 

[Thorn]

Texans - Please whup the Broncos. After you're done get rid of Kubiak and Company.

This.

Perhaps they can just leave Kubiak in Denver afterwards.

 

[False Start]

I will never wish for the Texans to lose, no matter the circumstances.

 

[JB]

If you want the Texans to lose tomorrow, then you must be a Broncos fan. End of story.

I will never wish for the Texans to lose, no matter the circumstances.

This!



/thread

 

[NitroGSXR]

Go Texans!! Kick some ToxicButt tomorrow!!

 

[Allstar]

I'll be rooting for the Texans, but it won't really sting as much if we lose.

 

[2slik4u]

This is going to tick some people off but, as per the title, I'm hoping for a lopsided win by the Broncos. Here is why:

- this season is a huge failure, whether we win or lose the last two games.

- Bob McNair needs to be embarrassed into firing Kubiak. Nothing short of two more decisive losses to cap off a 5-11 season will do it. We're talking about startin 4-2, and then closing with a 1-9 record. Hell, I'm not 100% sure that two more horrific losses will do the trick, but it's important that this happen. Critical.

- Losing the last two games will enhance our draft pick status, which is damn important since we need all the help we can get.

- I want AJ to sit. He is too damn valuable and has given as much or more than anyone else on the team. I also want him to sit to help us lose this game.

- For those of you that want us to win the game, you better be huge kubiak supporters.

- For those of you that are thinking it's worth winning two meaningless games, just consider that dropping a few draft spots could cost us a prized prospect.

- Just four years ago, Jeff Van Gundy insisted that the Rockets win a meaningless season finale, which cost the Rockets the ability to draft Brandon Roy. Granted, his knees are now shot, but that's beside the point.

- I'm not saying that a team should openly tank.

- I'm saying that as a fan, you should want to lose every game after you're eliminated from the playoffs, unless you're wanting to protect the coaching staff.

This thread is laughable. I will never in my life of fandom, ever route for our team to lose. Its absolutely ridiculous. People (you are probably in this group Toxicbutt) ***** all the time about our owner, coach, and team not having that "winning" attitude and how we're/they're ok with mediocrity but then the same fans come along and ask for a loss!!!

Unreal, in no form or fashion is wanting your team to lose acceptable. I am embarrased of being associated with some of you fans. I really hope we do not get any Denver fans on this board because they will laugh their asses off on what a pathetic show of support we are putting up.

I want Kubiak gone just like the rest of you but not at the expense of routing for our team to lose. By the way, if you starting asking for your team to lose, whats the point of being a fan in the first place?

You play to win the game. End of story.

 

[Revolution]

Texans - Please whup the Broncos. After you're done get rid of Kubiak and Company.

As Thorn said - THIS!!

 

[Revolution]

This thread is laughable. I will never in my life of fandom, ever route for our team to lose. Its absolutely ridiculous. People (you are probably in this group Toxicbutt) ***** all the time about our owner, coach, and team not having that "winning" attitude and how we're/they're ok with mediocrity but then the same fans come along and ask for a loss!!!

Unreal, in no form or fashion is wanting your team to lose acceptable. I am embarrased of being associated with some of you fans. I really hope we do not get any Denver fans on this board because they will laugh their asses off on what a pathetic show of support we are putting up.

I want Kubiak gone just like the rest of you but not at the expense of routing for our team to lose. By the way, if you starting asking for your team to lose, whats the point of being a fan in the first place?

You play to win the game. End of story.

Thank you! This is even better! Not to be the spelling police, but it is root!

 

[ToxicButt]

Pretend for a moment that this is reality -- if the texans win one of two meaningless games, kubiak stays. If the texans lose both, he is fired.

You can challenge this premise, but let's say it is true.

As a fan - what do you choose. Win a meaningless game and get stuck with kubiak next year, or lose two meaningless games and get a new HC.

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If you don't accept this premise as absolutely true, then consider that losing the two games dramatically increase the likelihood of kubiak being fired. Is winning two meaningless games really worth the cost of increasing the odds.

 

[2slik4u]

Pretend for a moment that this is reality -- if the texans win one of two meaningless games, kubiak stays. If the texans lose both, he is fired.

You can challenge this premise, but let's say it is true.

As a fan - what do you choose. Win a meaningless game and get stuck with kubiak next year, or lose two meaningless games and get a new HC.

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If you don't accept this premise as absolutely true, then consider that losing the two games dramatically increase the likelihood of kubiak being fired. Is winning two meaningless games really worth the cost of increasing the odds.

I understand what you are "trying" to do here but the fact of the matter remains that we have no idea what will happen. For all we know, Cowher is having Christmas dinner with the Mcnairs right now and its a done deal. On the other hand Kubiak could be sitting at the table. What Im saying is I seriously doubt that if Kubiak beats a horrible Denver team that he will retain his coaching job. The same goes for beating Jax. Mcnair will decide on keeping him with or without these wins.

Also, its going to be his choice regardless of who we ROOT for! If we cheer on our Texans or against them, it will have no bearing on Mcnair's choice. Root your team on and let the chips fall where they may.

Mcnair will do what he wants when he wants, not because of a few guys on TT.com wants him to.

Cheer for your team. Go Texans.

 

[Revolution]

I'm a fan and when the team takes the field, I want them to win. Period. I can never root for my team to lose while they are on the field. I just don't think you are a true fan when you let the politics get in the way of your passion. JMHO.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm a fan and when the team takes the field, I want them to win. Period. I can never root for my team to lose while they are on the field. I just don't think you are a true fan when you let the politics get in the way of your passion. JMHO.

What he said.

 

[TexCanada]

I can't believe I'm actually longing for the off-season to get here...

 

[FirstTexansFan]

I believe our best hope is for Kubiak to win the game big, enticing Pat Bowen to bring him in, and saving face for Bob McNair to graciously allow him to go. Losing only helps our draft position, and personally, I don't see that as a reason to root for a loss.

 

[gary]

If Bob has not made up his mind by now about Gary then he never will. GO TEXANS fan for life.

 

[jaayteetx]

I got money on who has a better season, Texans or Cards, with a friend of mine. Funny, thought I pretty much had it wrapped up in week six. So, for that reason, I say, Go Texans!

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

It seems to me that this topic is a dead horse. If you want to root for the team to lose, that's your prerogative - but I doubt you're going to convince anyone to root against their team for the sake of drafting high (its not like good draft positions have been of much use to use in the past). Besides, considering McNair's attitude, I doubt 5-11 will make much of a difference from 7-9. If he's going to dump Kubiak, he will do so.

/thread

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I can't root for my team to lose, but at this point in the season, I could care less. Winning means Kubiak has a greater chance of staying. Losing means a better draft position and less of a chance that Kubiak stays. The team has already quit though. Pretty evident by the game last Sunday. No point in yelling your ass off for them if they quit themselves already, already planning their offseason trips.

 

[PapaL]

I don't have to root for them to lose, I know they will...yet I still yell at the tv and jump up and down like they will win.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Lucky]

You play to win the game. End of story.

Tell this to the Texans. Too often this season they've forgotten this.

 

[Thorn]

As I said once elsewhere in another thread, I am not going to root for these players to lose. A lot of them will be back next year, and I want nothing more than for them to be winners...now and next year.

Doesn't mean I'm not getting that old time Oilers sinking feeling about the future of my home team though. Hopefully McNair will do the right thing this off season.

 

[Big Lou]

I don't care if we are 0-15 heading into week 17, I always root for the Texans to win. I don't agree with the whole draft pick deal, the first 20 guys should be good enough.

 

[Thorn]

I don't care if we are 0-15 heading into week 17, I always root for the Texans to win. I don't agree with the whole draft pick deal, the first 20 guys should be good enough.

draft picks are hit an miss anyways. There is a lot of banging on Rick Smith about his drafting, but drafting a college player is always a risk, most especially in the first couple of rounds where you have to pay a college boy who's never been in a pro locker room a ton of money.

I don't care who you are in the drafting room, out of the first 32 players taken in the first round, how many of those really end up earning their pay and their 1st round pick status?

 

[Rey]

I've been rooting for the Texans to lose for a few weeks now.

When the game comes on I like to see the players do well, but ultimately I want them to lose.

I could care less about what other fans do or how they react after spending their hard earned money and time...But this FAN right here will not waste my time hoping and wishing for wins when it ultimately means nothing.

Lose out Texans...Get rid of Kubiak....Sit your key players...Realize how much you suck...


The team will not make significant strides to get better until they realize how much they suck. Losing out helps them to further realize realize they aren't even close to be as good as they thought they were.

 

[NitroGSXR]

draft picks are hit an miss anyways. There is a lot of banging on Rick Smith about his drafting, but drafting a college player is always a risk, most especially in the first couple of rounds where you have to pay a college boy who's never been in a pro locker room a ton of money.

I don't care who you are in the drafting room, out of the first 32 players taken in the first round, how many of those really end up earning their pay and their 1st round pick status?

Look past the high-dollar contracts and you'll have a hell of a lot more success with the first rounders than the 2nd-7th rounders. A hell lot more, mate. If a GM is consistently drafting high then the problem has to be deeper than merely playing the "poor luck" draw. So far Smith has struck out on 4 first rounders (Cushing's been on my shitlist this season). Yeah Smith has done well in the 4th round. I say bleh to that. A "good" middle round team wastes more money than any other teams because of their failures at the top of the order.

We must fire Rick.

 

[bo orlando]

I wouldn't worry too much about this happening as the Broncos are TERRIBLE. They quit on the season a long, long, time ago. Anybody who watched their game last week against the Raiders knows that Tebow had a mostly awful game, like Rusty Smith awful. I'd be really surprised if the Texans don't win this game by at least two touchdowns, and I mean that.

 

[Rey]

I wouldn't worry too much about this happening as the Broncos are TERRIBLE. They quit on the season a long, long, time ago. Anybody who watched their game last week against the Raiders knows that Tebow had a mostly awful game, like Rusty Smith awful. I'd be really surprised if the Texans don't win this game by at least two touchdowns, and I mean that.

He ran for a long TD....

That one play trumps Rusty's day...

Also, The Raiders pass defense is much better than ours....

I look for Tebow to do a bit better against us than against the Raiders...

But that's why the games are played...we shall see...

 

[bo orlando]

He ran for a long TD....

That one play trumps Rusty's day...

Also, The Raiders pass defense is much better than ours....

I look for Tebow to do a bit better against us than against the Raiders...

But that's why the games are played...we shall see...

He did run for a long TD, but it was a busted play on 3rd and 25 where the Raiders inexplicably had nobody in the middle of the field. Still, certainly that's a skill Rusty Smith doesn't have. But as far as pass defense goes, I'd actually give Rusty the edge as a passer. Tebow threw nothing but floaters and screens all day, and still has that awful looping throwing motion. Even the Texans D will dominate this game, bet on it.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

I'm a fan and when the team takes the field, I want them to win. Period. I can never root for my team to lose while they are on the field. I just don't think you are a true fan when you let the politics get in the way of your passion. JMHO.

Being a fan is really quite simple, yet it's painfully hilarious that you're having to continually point this stuff out to the majority of Houston "fans".

 

[BetaV1]

I don't understand this talk about "draft status" for tanking. The people with this logic have a hard time understanding one single player isn't going to turn this defense around. You have to replace perhaps 8 starters on this defense, meaning you essentially must take the best defensive player on the board. At that point, there's not much of a difference whether we draft 7th or 10th.

I've also mentioned before that until a rookie cap is put in place, I don't want no part of a high draft pick. I would much rather spend that high draft pick money on proven veterans who can come and make a difference immediately than take a chance with picks that seem to go bust more than boom.

Props to those of you in this thread who got the Texans' back when the whistle blows (Dream_Team, JB, False Start, and others). I hate the coaching staff and want changes just as much as anyone else, but when it's game time, you gotta throw all that petty, emotional crap out the window. I'm rooting for the Texans to win tomorrow not for Kubiak and Co., but in spite of them.

 

[gary]

If you don't draft well from wherever your draft spot is then that is your own fault. All drafting is just taking one huge gamble after another wether or not you draft first or last.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I don't understand this talk about "draft status" for tanking. The people with this logic have a hard time understanding one single player isn't going to turn this defense around. You have to replace perhaps 8 starters on this defense, meaning you essentially must take the best defensive player on the board. At that point, there's not much of a difference whether we draft 7th or 10th.

I've also mentioned before that until a rookie cap is put in place, I don't want no part of a high draft pick. I would much rather spend that high draft pick money on proven veterans who can come and make a difference immediately than take a chance with picks that seem to go bust more than boom.

Props to those of you in this thread who got the Texans' back when the whistle blows (Dream_Team, JB, False Start, and others). I hate the coaching staff and want changes just as much as anyone else, but when it's game time, you gotta throw all that petty, emotional crap out the window. I'm rooting for the Texans to win tomorrow not for Kubiak and Co., but in spite of them.

Lets just talk about players in general. There can be big differences between 7th and 10th. See Adrian Peterson and our own Amobi Okoye in 2007. And just because it takes more than one player doesn't mean much. Lets just say we could have drafted Suh for this Dline, that's one player that makes a huge difference. There are other examples, too. You get a better chance at drafting a better player if you draft higher up in the top ten.

 

[BetaV1]

Lets just talk about players in general. There can be big differences between 7th and 10th. See Adrian Peterson and our own Amobi Okoye in 2007.

This is actually a good point and I most certainly will give you that difference is one of major note. I, however, see situations like that are more the exception than the norm. Just look at the draft that sandwiched the Peterson draft:

2006:
7 Oakland Raiders Michael Huff
8 Buffalo Bills Donte Whitner
9 Detroit Lions Ernie Sims
10 Arizona Cardinals Matt Leinart

2008:
7 New Orleans Saints Sedrick Ellis
8 Jacksonville Jaguars Derrick Harvey
9 Cincinnati Bengals Keith Rivers
10 New England Patriots Jerod Mayo

Great players here? For the most part, sure. You got yourself many locks, particularly on defense. Pro-bowlers? A majority of the time, no (and not a single pro-bowler The most recent draft has panned out the same way, with the exception of Rolando McClain, who I feel has what it takes to be a pro-bowler in his near future (drafted 8 by the Raiders).

To return to your 2007 draft, you'd also notice that Patrick Willis and Revis were taken after the Texans drafted Okoye. :kubepalm: I think it's pretty clear that your first five picks are suppose to be locks. From then on, you enter your tier system: picks 6-15 tier I, picks 16-32 tier II, and so forth. This is simply showing the means of the math, and on average, there is not much of a difference in the overall talent pool from 7th to 10th.

And just because it takes more than one player doesn't mean much. Lets just say we could have drafted Suh for this Dline, that's one player that makes a huge difference. There are other examples, too. You get a better chance at drafting a better player if you draft higher up in the top ten.

I didn't say a player doesn't make a huge difference; I said one player won't turn this defense around when we are statistically one of the worst since the NFL has come into existence. Football is the ultimate team sport, and teams will simply (and easily) gameplan against the one or two difference makers on the defense. Of course Suh would be a nice upgrade for our defensive line, but I highly doubt his presence alone would've suddenly had us in games where we weren't constantly spotting opposing offenses 14+ points. Such is the reason why, again, I'd rather draft lower so we can spread the money around to acquire proven talent.

 

[SheTexan]

I've been rooting for the Texans to lose for a few weeks now.

When the game comes on I like to see the players do well, but ultimately I want them to lose.

I could care less about what other fans do or how they react after spending their hard earned money and time...But this FAN right here will not waste my time hoping and wishing for wins when it ultimately means nothing.

Lose out Texans...Get rid of Kubiak....Sit your key players...Realize how much you suck...


The team will not make significant strides to get better until they realize how much they suck. Losing out helps them to further realize realize they aren't even close to be as good as they thought they were.

I will probalby get dinged for posting this, but, at this point in time, I reallly don't CARE!!

YOU SUCK AS A FAN!!!!!!!!