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Patriots 10-2 with almost as bad a defense as we have..

You could say, QB play is the deal but I believe their OL is way superior to ours. I was watching their game yesterday and Brady had like 6-8 seconds to throw the ball. We got to get that line.
 
Their defense also forces turnovers and occasionally puts the patriots in better field position then we do.
 
They are close in yards, but yards don't mean squat. The stat that matters is scoring and the Pats are ranked 18th while the texans are 27th. The Pats allow 22 points a game while the Texans allow 26. 4 point difference on average a game is not really close.
 
I was wondering about this, and its really quite shocking really.


1. At first I thought it was because they score so many points that they just give the ball to their opponents a lot and therefore give them many chances to score.

But as it turns out, we have literally the exact same time of possession as the Patriots do.


2. Then I thought to myself, I bet their pass defense is bad because they are always ahead and opposing teams just give up the run. However, their run defense is actually quite a bit worse than ours is.


3. Then I thought, maybe their offense is just so good that they put up points quickly and other teams score a lot trying to catch up. Ironically, our offense is actualy better than New Englands in terms of yards!



The Patriots have only the 13th ranked offense in the NFL, yet are somehow 1st in points, even though they also have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL. How does that happen??


Turnovers!

They are +14, which is way, way higher than any other team in the AFC, and second only to Philly in the entire NFL. We are currently at 0.


That is the main reason that while we both give up a lot of yardage, our pass defense is much, much worse than the Patriots.

While we give up similar yardage, opposing QBs have a 102 QB rating against us. The Patriots are giving up only an 87 QB rating. The difference is in the turnovers
 
IDEXAN said:
How many of you wished we had drafted Kevin McCourty instead of Kareem ?
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Devin McCourty is in a better organization than ours & i doubt it would've mattered if they swapped teams, The pats would've coached KJ up & he'd probably look like revis over there.
 
Mr teX said:
Devin McCourty is in a better organization than ours & i doubt it would've mattered if they swapped teams, The pats would've coached KJ up & he'd probably look like revis over there.
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Belichick was able to Brady-dize Matt Cassel. The man is the best coach ever. Ever.
 
Mr teX said:
Devin McCourty is in a better organization than ours & i doubt it would've mattered if they swapped teams, The pats would've coached KJ up & he'd probably look like revis over there.
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That's why I don't really want us to draft a corner in the first round in the draft. I think Quinn and Jackson will be fine with another coching staff. This all goes out the window if we don't bring another coach in here though.
 
stingray said:
That's why I don't really want us to draft a corner in the first round in the draft. I think Quinn and Jackson will be fine with another coching staff. This all goes out the window if we don't bring another coach in here though.
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You can never have too many top-flight corners. They will win you football games or they will fetch a hefty price from somebody.

Works either way so win/win.
 
NitroHonda said:
Belichick was able to Brady-dize Matt Cassel. The man is the best coach ever. Ever.
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I think its fairly clear that Cassel wasn't as bad as people thought people were just looking at him through the brady lens. He looks like he's got the goods over there in KC.

It would've been interesting to see how belichick would've faired if brady goes down in say early 2000 & he had to use a scrub like Rohan Davey at qb. How much of genius would he have been then? The "genius" in Belichick lies in the GM who brings in the talent & of course having a guy like Brady to execute. Its the same formula for all of these coaches that've been labeled geniuses in the past...the lone exception being Bill Walsh who was the only true one of those imo.
 
El Tejano said:
You could say, QB play is the deal but I believe their OL is way superior to ours. I was watching their game yesterday and Brady had like 6-8 seconds to throw the ball. We got to get that line.
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yeh I knew sebastian volmer in college he said the texans didn't even look at recruiting out of UH... which in most cases I would agree with but we really should have looked at taking him ... dude was a hoss like even in the NFL he is one of the biggest people on the field... pluss he took freeney to school in his first ever nfl game
 
Thorn said:
With our coaching staff how much of a difference would it have made?
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Kareem is a more physical corner which is apparently what the Texans were after with a Cover-2 bias for their back-end, but his ball-skills are very lacking whereas that's McCourty long-suit along with his cover ability and I don't think he just acquired that in the last few months from his NFL coachs ?
I've seen him play in several games this year and he's usually right on his guy. I saw him make an outstanding play, another interception in the
SD game where he snatched the ball like a receiver, but now the pic he made last night was under thrown.
Kareem is clearly more of a corner/safety hybrid while McCourty is a more pure cover-corner.
 
gtexan02 said:
I was wondering about this, and its really quite shocking really.


1. At first I thought it was because they score so many points that they just give the ball to their opponents a lot and therefore give them many chances to score.

But as it turns out, we have literally the exact same time of possession as the Patriots do.


2. Then I thought to myself, I bet their pass defense is bad because they are always ahead and opposing teams just give up the run. However, their run defense is actually quite a bit worse than ours is.


3. Then I thought, maybe their offense is just so good that they put up points quickly and other teams score a lot trying to catch up. Ironically, our offense is actualy better than New Englands in terms of yards!



The Patriots have only the 13th ranked offense in the NFL, yet are somehow 1st in points, even though they also have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL. How does that happen??


Turnovers!

They are +14, which is way, way higher than any other team in the AFC, and second only to Philly in the entire NFL. We are currently at 0.


That is the main reason that while we both give up a lot of yardage, our pass defense is much, much worse than the Patriots.

While we give up similar yardage, opposing QBs have a 102 QB rating against us. The Patriots are giving up only an 87 QB rating. The difference is in the turnovers
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only reason our run defense looks anything above terrible is because teams can throw on us whenever they want to this is a case where the stats do not tell the story in critical situations 3rd and 4th and short/goal we loose almost every time... our run D isnt really good at all and I agree with you if anyone on the Texans D could catch then we would be ok
 
The Texans defense couldn't hold the Pats shake weights going by what I saw last night. Additionally, Wilfork is a beast
 
gtexan02 said:
I was wondering about this, and its really quite shocking really.


1. At first I thought it was because they score so many points that they just give the ball to their opponents a lot and therefore give them many chances to score.

But as it turns out, we have literally the exact same time of possession as the Patriots do.


2. Then I thought to myself, I bet their pass defense is bad because they are always ahead and opposing teams just give up the run. However, their run defense is actually quite a bit worse than ours is.


3. Then I thought, maybe their offense is just so good that they put up points quickly and other teams score a lot trying to catch up. Ironically, our offense is actualy better than New Englands in terms of yards!



The Patriots have only the 13th ranked offense in the NFL, yet are somehow 1st in points, even though they also have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL. How does that happen??


Turnovers!

They are +14, which is way, way higher than any other team in the AFC, and second only to Philly in the entire NFL. We are currently at 0.


That is the main reason that while we both give up a lot of yardage, our pass defense is much, much worse than the Patriots.

While we give up similar yardage, opposing QBs have a 102 QB rating against us. The Patriots are giving up only an 87 QB rating. The difference is in the turnovers
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This is absolutely dead-on, and it's been a trait of the franchise since the beginning. Right now we're exactly break-even on turnovers, and if it stays that way, it will be the second best turnover ratio the Texans have ever seen (they were +5 in 2004).

I don't know if this is the most important statistic in football, but if it's not, it's very very near the top of the list.
 
Have the Jets actually beaten a team this year with a winning record ?
With that NYC media-hpye machine going 24/7, who really knows if they are any good ?
BTW, jets D got 3 sacks & Pats D got 1 sack. So what does that tell you about the importance of QB-sacks ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Have the Jets actually beaten a team this year with a winning record ?
With that NYC media-hpye machine going 24/7, who really knows if they are any good ?
BTW, jets D got 3 sacks & Pats D got 1 sack. So what does that tell you about the importance of QB-sacks ?
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Right now they're 1-3 vs. winning teams with a win over the Pats, and losses to the Pats, Ravens and Packers.
 
If yards were the measuring stick to decide wins and losses, the division breakdown would be as follows:

Colts: 9-3
Texans: 6-6
Jacksonville: 4-7
Titans: 4-7
 
It would've been interesting to see how belichick would've faired if brady goes down in say early 2000 & he had to use a scrub like Rohan Davey at qb.
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then Rohan Davey would have looked like a superstar. Bledsoe went down and the whole 'talking heads' started 'the Patriots season is over with a 7th rnd draft scrub named Brady taking over'. Then BAM.

What did Bum Phillips used to say? I'll take some of yours and you take some of mine and I will still beat you. Paraphrased.

Belichick uses what talent is there to its best advantage and molds the gameplan to the talent. Kubiak takes his scheme and tries to force the player to mold to it.

Patriots are 10-2, Texans are 5-7. Let's not complicate the cheese sandwhich. Belichick is leagues ahead of Kubiak when it comes to Head Coaching. It's just that simple.
 
IDEXAN said:
Have the Jets actually beaten a team this year with a winning record ?
With that NYC media-hpye machine going 24/7, who really knows if they are any good ?
BTW, jets D got 3 sacks & Pats D got 1 sack. So what does that tell you about the importance of QB-sacks ?
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And the refs gave them the Broncos game. Texans should have beaten them. Vikings should have beaten them. Detroit took them to overtime. Cleveland took them to overtime.

I know you can woulda, shoulda, coulda all day with every team nearly, but the Jets have had a very fortuitous run this year. Sooner or later the luck runs out unless you are the 2002 Ohio State Buckeyes.
 
Their recieving corps is light years beyond the Texans, which opens up the rest of the field.

The Texans have the best WR in the game, but his supporting cast is garbage. When the best thing you can say about your No. 2 WR is "He's a great blocker" you have problems. OD is washed up as well.

I thought Aaron Hernandez was a lock in the 3rd round for the Texans at TE (he's beasting with the Pats right now).

The Pat's front office is the best in the biz too.

You can't even compare Kraft and McNair as far as owners go either.

btw, I ****ing hate the Patriots!
 
Like the saying goes, stats are for losers to think about (Texans), while scoreboard is for winners (Patriots).
 
thegr8fan said:
then Rohan Davey would have looked like a superstar. Bledsoe went down and the whole 'talking heads' started 'the Patriots season is over with a 7th rnd draft scrub named Brady taking over'. Then BAM.

What did Bum Phillips used to say? I'll take some of yours and you take some of mine and I will still beat you. Paraphrased.

Belichick uses what talent is there to its best advantage and molds the gameplan to the talent. Kubiak takes his scheme and tries to force the player to mold to it.

Patriots are 10-2, Texans are 5-7. Let's not complicate the cheese sandwhich. Belichick is leagues ahead of Kubiak when it comes to Head Coaching. It's just that simple.
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Not disputing that, but seriously, Rohan Davey? No doubt that Belichick would've gotten more out of him than kubes, but lets not forget that Belicheat was fired after 5 seasons with the cleveland browns before he got the pats job. His starting qbs during that time? The notables are an over the hill kosar, b vinny "on my way to being a bust" testaverde, and mike "big game" tomzcak. There were a few others that aren't even worth mentioning i'm sure but you get my point. He shouldn't be credited with stumbling onto Brady, b/c as i've said before he likely didn't know what he had...noone could've predicted this guy would become what he has.
 
Brady is a phenom, but you also have to take into account the amount of knowledge imparted by Belichick regarding the various defenses in the league and how to read them. These guys are like hands and gloves.

I always laugh when people try to downplay Brady by saying "it's the system". Yeah, and the West Coast offense was the system for Montana. You still need players to make those systems work to success.
 
Double Barrel said:
Brady is a phenom, but you also have to take into account the amount of knowledge imparted by Belichick regarding the various defenses in the league and how to read them. These guys are like hands and gloves.
I always laugh when people try to downplay Brady by saying "it's the system". Yeah, and the West Coast offense was the system for Montana. You still need players to make those systems work to success.
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this is about as true a statement as their ever has been. Sometimes, you just get extremely lucky & get the right fit. Honestly, there probably hasn't been a better qb fit other than montana & walsh.
 
Mr teX said:
Not disputing that, but seriously, Rohan Davey? No doubt that Belichick would've gotten more out of him than kubes, but lets not forget that Belicheat was fired after 5 seasons with the cleveland browns before he got the pats job. His starting qbs during that time? The notables are an over the hill kosar, b vinny "on my way to being a bust" testaverde, and mike "big game" tomzcak. There were a few others that aren't even worth mentioning i'm sure but you get my point. He shouldn't be credited with stumbling onto Brady, b/c as i've said before he likely didn't know what he had...noone could've predicted this guy would become what he has.
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Bill Belichick has rattled off three consecutive homeruns in Bledsoe, Brady, and Cassel. When you do that when it counts, you get dubbed nicknames such as Mr. October. I guess Belichick's Mr. Offseason in such a case.
 
Funny, I was talking this morning about how I think the Pats have any more talent than the Texans, just the coaching staff there knows how to coach their players up, and we got Kubiak.

I think that if both teams swapped coaching staffs the Texans would have 8 or 9 wins right now, and the Pats would be buried in the East, and that's why I think it's time for Gary to go.
 
Just finished watching the 45-3 game, and what struck me was the way the patriots offense plays, they're doing what they do best with (seemingly) no regard as the the strengths and weaknesses of their opponents. Ofcourse that's not the truth, but it seems as if they go out and play THEIR game as opposed to 'trying' to be all clever and play to other teams weaknesses.

Coaching. Sure, it helps having a Brady in there, he's one of the very best in the business, but the difference to me is the mentality of the team and the playcalling. Never play cute, never give up, I love how Bilichick took the entire defense in for a huddle leading 38-3 and telling them to keep focus and stay concentrated (well, that's what I think he said). Never play cute, go in for the kill regardless of the score.

That's what I want in a head coach, and it's what differentiates us from the Patriots.
 
NitroHonda said:
Bill Belichick has rattled off three consecutive homeruns in Bledsoe, Brady, and Cassel. When you do that when it counts, you get dubbed nicknames such as Mr. October. I guess Belichick's Mr. Offseason in such a case.
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Ummm, he didn't draft Bledsoe, he was already there during the SB run they had with parcells at the helm; Belichick had next to nothing to do with bringing him in although he was the d-coordinator during those years.

Brady was a 6th rounder. Understand what that means, a 6th rounder. It means he, nor anyone else in the league thought enough of him to select him 5 times prior. In addition to this, he wasn't starting & only got a look b/c Bledsoe went down.

Cassel is his, but considering all the talent around him, it really was hard for him to fail as they were coming off a SB run the year prior. All cassel really had to do was avoid making the mistake.
 
Mr teX said:
Brady was a 6th rounder. Understand what that means, a 6th rounder. It means he, nor anyone else in the league thought enough of him to select him 5 times prior. In addition to this, he wasn't starting & only got a look b/c Bledsoe went down.
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They had several extra picks so Brady was their 7th selection.
 
Mr teX said:
Ummm, he didn't draft Bledsoe, he was already there during the SB run they had with parcells at the helm; Belichick had next to nothing to do with bringing him in although he was the d-coordinator during those years.

Brady was a 6th rounder. Understand what that means, a 6th rounder. It means he, nor anyone else in the league thought enough of him to select him 5 times prior. In addition to this, he wasn't starting & only got a look b/c Bledsoe went down.

Cassel is his, but considering all the talent around him, it really was hard for him to fail as they were coming off a SB run the year prior. All cassel really had to do was avoid making the mistake.
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Fine. Bledsoe wasn't his pick but gosh darn it... Belichick worked with him and had to REPLACE him. He also replaced Tom Brady and sold his replacement for a fortune. If Schaub goes down... Kubiak will be helping Orlovsky find his helmet rather than turning Schaub's injury into gold.

1st round... 6th round... UFDA... matters none really. Call it luck if you want but Bill Belichick was the only one who drafted him.

I can see that I'm not going to change your mind nor do I want to try. I respect your opinion.
 
Points per game and yards are two entirely different measurements of defense. In Points Per Game, New England is 19th. Not that bad.

We, are 27th ahead such defensive luminaries as Arizona, Buffalo, Denver, Dallas, and the NFC North Champs 2009: The Cincinnati Bengals.

I'll give you all a big hint how all of their seasons are going as well.
 
They have Tom Brady and we don't. They have a great coach and we don't. They have a front office that knows what they're doing and we don't. That's why they are 10-2 and we're 5-7.
 
IDEXAN said:
Kareem is a more physical corner which is apparently what the Texans were after with a Cover-2 bias for their back-end, but his ball-skills are very lacking whereas that's McCourty long-suit along with his cover ability and I don't think he just acquired that in the last few months from his NFL coachs ?
I've seen him play in several games this year and he's usually right on his guy. I saw him make an outstanding play, another interception in the
SD game where he snatched the ball like a receiver, but now the pic he made last night was under thrown.
Kareem is clearly more of a corner/safety hybrid while McCourty is a more pure cover-corner.
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Sorry, but this is just another case that the grass is greener on the other side.

I have made some notes on another thread that while I also like McCourty, he had been subjected to his shares of lumps (more than KJ).
At the time, it was like week 7 or 8.

You made me come back and watch another game (Browns - week 9).
McCourty was simply torched by Colt McCoy all game long.
He allowed 3 or 4 first downs completions and a couple of medium passes (17 and 21, I believe.)
He also got away with PI on a "shoulda-been" TD completion.

I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the KJ pick was very solid.
I don't know which one of them will have a better career, but I think I will stick with KJ (they weren't drafted too far apart and McCourty was also on my list.)
 
Mr teX said:
Ummm, he didn't draft Bledsoe, he was already there during the SB run they had with parcells at the helm; Belichick had next to nothing to do with bringing him in although he was the d-coordinator during those years.

Brady was a 6th rounder. Understand what that means, a 6th rounder. It means he, nor anyone else in the league thought enough of him to select him 5 times prior. In addition to this, he wasn't starting & only got a look b/c Bledsoe went down.

Cassel is his, but considering all the talent around him, it really was hard for him to fail as they were coming off a SB run the year prior. All cassel really had to do was avoid making the mistake.
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It's more than just talent, that made Cassel successful. Who was
Wes Welker in Miami, before Belichick coached him up? That offense
had a motivated Randy Moss catching deep balls all game long from Brady.

If Cassel replaced Schaub in our lineup, the Texans would struggle to win
a game, much like with Sage Rosenfels. The Texans have just as much
talent as the Patriots, but our coaching is unable to extract ANYTHING
from the players.

Our young players play like retards when the game is on the line. Belichick's
players are like Rhodes Scholars when the situations get tight.

In other words, Kubiak must go.
 
This isn't totally accurate but it's a fun exercise.

The Texans give up 26.8 ppg while the Patriots give up 22.4 ppg. That a differential of 4.4 ppg.

Now if we "swapped stats" by adding 4.4 points to each of the Patriots' opponents score, then the Pats would have a 7-5 record right now.

If we subtracted 4.4 points from each of the Texans' opponents score, then we would have a 6-6 record.

In reality, it isn't as consistent as that. Plus, I believe our PPG average is skewed by the fact we shutout the Titans when the rookie Rusty Smith had his first ever start. Taking that game out, the Texans are giving up 29 PPG which is the leagues worst. If we gave up a TD less per game, such as the Patriots are, we'd likely be 8-4 and leading our division.
 
76Texan said:
Sorry, but this is just another case that the grass is greener on the other side.

I have made some notes on another thread that while I also like McCourty, he had been subjected to his shares of lumps (more than KJ).
At the time, it was like week 7 or 8.

You made me come back and watch another game (Browns - week 9).
McCourty was simply torched by Colt McCoy all game long.
He allowed 3 or 4 first downs completions and a couple of medium passes (17 and 21, I believe.)
He also got away with PI on a "shoulda-been" TD completion.

I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the KJ pick was very solid.
I don't know which one of them will have a better career, but I think I will stick with KJ (they weren't drafted too far apart and McCourty was also on my list.)
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I was higher on McCourty than KJ. McCourty seemed to be better at turning his hips and running. I had KJ rated in the top of the 2nd rd and that was only because he was already coached up by Saban.

With that said I think KJ and McCourty have had the same ups and downs that most rookie CB's go thru. It's to be expected.

The way I see the performances of the two are like this.

KJ=McCourty
 
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