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Kubiak
- Thread starter El Tejano
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How could he have stopped the fight?
About the only thing he could have done was taken AJ out of the game for a few plays. Short of that not much. I still like it that he gave him a game ball at the end of the game. You can say all day that that was because of the record he set, but that was just as much to put that punk @ss in his place.
Finnegan had it coming for a long time. I think he'll remember those haymakers AJ landed on his melonhead next time .... not to mention the embarrassment of having your ass handed to you on TV.
Im surprised it didnt get a lot uglier than it did ..... considering the frustrations this team has seen over the past couple weeks. I just hope they come out and play with desire against the Eagles ..... They pretty much need to win out to have a shot at the playoffs.
I dont think the offense played a very good game all things considered .... but I'll take a 20-0 win against a division rival anytime.
Im surprised it didnt get a lot uglier than it did ..... considering the frustrations this team has seen over the past couple weeks. I just hope they come out and play with desire against the Eagles ..... They pretty much need to win out to have a shot at the playoffs.
I dont think the offense played a very good game all things considered .... but I'll take a 20-0 win against a division rival anytime.
About the only thing he could have done was taken AJ out of the game for a few plays. Short of that not much. I still like it that he gave him a game ball at the end of the game. You can say all day that that was because of the record he set, but that was just as much to put that punk @ss in his place.
Schaub may be the mouth of the team but AJ is the unspoken leader .... Guy's like that set the tome for the entire team. If the rest of this team would play with the fire that AJ and a few others do , they likely wouldnt be 5-6.
I'd have given AJ the game ball for that can of whoopass too ....
TheCD
Rookie
I disagree with you here. The offense wasn't firing on all cylinders, but this is a Titans defense that is very good. They feast on QB sacks, and yesterday we only gave up one...even if it was due to a couple on non-called intentional groundings.
The Titans aren't pushovers, but once Burned-Again got pushed to the ground and laid into...that team was done. You would have thought more fighting would have come later in the game, but that beating by AJ was the straw that broke their back.
I'm surprised that they didn't even attempt to throw the ball downfield. Considering all the times that Finnegan was up in AJ's grill at the LOS, it'd been nice to see him get burned deep.
Throw in safety help and the amount of time Schaub had to throw, who knows if it would have been successful. But you gotta go up top every once in awhile to keep em honest.
Throw in safety help and the amount of time Schaub had to throw, who knows if it would have been successful. But you gotta go up top every once in awhile to keep em honest.
GP
Go Texans!
Kubiak? Kubiak didn't even notice the fight. He turns away when anything dramatic is happening on the field.
I think the game ball was for the football accomplishment. Still giving it to him after the ejection was a nod to "way to handle his punk ass".
I doubt we ever see Andre do something like that again; I wonder if other players will try harder to push his buttons though.
I doubt we ever see Andre do something like that again; I wonder if other players will try harder to push his buttons though.
BIG TORO
TERADACTYL #23
I dont think they will, I think other players like and respect Andre and this just made hime the MAN!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I of course, naturally support this!!
Lets just hope AJ didnt follow my lead and break his hand on that dudes ****ing melonhead.
Good point, I'm following suit.
I was going to start an "If we hold the Titans to under 14" thread to get rid of the thing..... but I didn't want to jinx anything.
My luck is so bad, I believe that is what happened with Jacksonville....
We had them.... we had them.
drs23
Veteran
I'm not so sure he didn't recieve one. I read/heard that Kubiak handed out 4 game balls. AJ got the first one, Bush got one. Didn't read/hear who got the other 2 but you'd imagine at least that Quin was one of the other recipeints.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
go to HT.com. they have video of all the game ball presentations in the locker room
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Honestly the worst thing we can do is act like Kubiak did something to redeem himself this game. Our playoff hopes are still dashed, and our team is as mediocre as ever. Kubiak needs to be gone by next season and this game, no matter how cool it was, does nothing to change that.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Everything you say is correct but if we gonna boo him we also need to recognize what he does right.
GP
Go Texans!
He got three during the game.
And the most important one was the one he DIDN'T get in the Jags game.
He can be happy with his three Rusty Smith interceptions he grabbed with one hand. Thanks, Glover. I guess you won't be in the business of batting down passes anymore eh? Looks like you got the memo.
So you are Ok with Bob paying Kubiak to not coach next season .... Bring in a new coach and pay him too .....
And the icing on the cake is that we will likely see a strike shortened season if there is one at all next year.
Coaches will have no contact with players during that time. So if the season starts anytime after what would normally be week one .... you are Ok with a new coach handing the team a new playbook and new scheme's a week before game one ?
I can see you spending Bob's money its easy to spend someone elses money .... but I cant see you being so silly as to expect a team to learn a playbook over a weekend ..... and expect them to function like an NFL team.
I personally don't care about Bob's money. If he's going to give David Carr $8 mill, then cut him the next year, franchise Dunta after he turned down $24 mill guaranteed, & charge $8 for beer...
I think he needs to spend what he needs to spend to get a winning team.
I don't think it would be a smart thing to do. I don't think he would do it (which is why I think Kubiak can mail in the season & still be our HC in 2010)...
But if he's having second thoughts about Gary Kubiak, then (IMHO) he needs to be questioning his thought process for hiring Gary, then extending Gary. Three head coaching decisions, & now you're thinking you've got them all wrong.... I think it's time to get a director of football operations, take some power away from Kubiak & build a real organization.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
I simply refuse to engage in speculation about next year's lockout. I have no idea whether or not, or how, it will affect coaching changes, and I don't really care until we find out more.
Kubiak needs to be gone and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to treat next year like it's just another year. Once I have solid evidence about how exactly next year will affect coaching situations, then I might engage in speculation about whether it makes financial sense or whatever. Of course, I don't really give a **** if it makes financial sense.... it makes winning sense, and that's all that matters to me.
I just think it's odd, that you'll wait to see what the lockout situation is going to be before you "speculate"
But you won't wait till the end of the season to "speculate" Kubiak's fate.
Keeping him for a strike shortened season makes much more "winning sense" than bringing in a new coach , new systems on both sides of the ball and expecting players to seamlessly make the adjustment on short notice. Unless of course Bob is going to write off next season completely and get his new staff in place for the following year.
As for speculation on a work stoppage - at this point its almost inevitable. Both sides have their demands and neither side is budging ....
The most likely outcome is a shortened season. That could mean they start a week after camp is suppose to begin or they could start in week 4 or beyond.
If there is a quality coach out there right now, looking for a job.... it may make sense to get him when you can.
I am for keeping Kubiak
... if the Texans run the table and win the division. It starts on Thursday night.
... if the Texans run the table and win the division. It starts on Thursday night.
Long term - you have a point.
Question is , how much does next season mean to you. If you are Ok with pretty much mailing it in and giving that new coach the entire season to put his scheme's in place .... then by all means.
Remember what Herm Edwards said .... You play to win the game.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Well, it actually started on Sunday. We needed 6 straight wins to close out the season 10-6. We got 1... now there's 5 left.
houstonspartan
All Pro
I still want his ass gone.
Of all people to pull coaching advice from..... you go to Herm Edwards...
Catchy phrase, funny commercial.... but
C'mon man.
ooooohhhh.. 6 straight wins.
I don't think I like the sound of that. Sounds- impossible.
Let's forget the last game... the last month all together & go for 5 straight?? The next five.
Much more manageable.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Kubes has lost my trust over the last two seasons. He is more stubborn than I am. He does not adapt well to "in" game situations and imo allows his defensive coaches too much lattitude. Part of my problem is with the O & D schemes he uses and more importantly the players he selects. I think he does not have the right coaches training the new guys. Before the last draft, I thought it would be our last to choose position over BPA. Over all I feel we have not used our draft well to improve the team roster. He has chosen to ignore the free safety position while starting inexperienced corners. He has allowed our offense to basically give up entire first halves of several games before beginning the third quarter as if it were the first. He allows Pollard to deliver late or out of bounds hits that are usually costly & it happens every game. He moved Cush to Mike after allowing Bentley to remain on the roster as the back up to Demeco. It went from a bad decision to a stupid one when he took two weeks to recognise it was the wrong choice. It took him forever to get Studdard out of the starting line up. He ignored the running back situation for years and was stunned with the first full year of Slaton and then Foster. He seems to have no clue to how to handle or develop Jacoby Jones.
If the Texans were to win out and be 10-6, the euphoria would quickly wear off and I'd be right back to where I am each seasonk, worrying about the draft and free agency and which direction the next season would take as I would still have no confidence in Gary Kubiak.
If the Texans were to win out and be 10-6, the euphoria would quickly wear off and I'd be right back to where I am each seasonk, worrying about the draft and free agency and which direction the next season would take as I would still have no confidence in Gary Kubiak.
drs23
Veteran
Who would be your succesor choice? Are you a Cowher guy as well?
I guess the irony was lost in the text .....
Not on all...
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
How funny is that people are so desperate to find some sort of props for Kubes at this point that AJ beating some dirty CB's ass makes them proud of Kubes? Like he did a thing in that equation. Lol! AJ is the exact opposite of Kubes. He's a beast that shows up every Sunday.
Amazing that Kubes is in year 5 and people still have faith in a guy that's proven nothing in his career to suggest that he could make this team a consistent winner. He's just done the opposite.
What? Dude, where do you pull this from?
So I suppose you're a proponent for keeping Frank Bush as defensive coordinator, as well? I mean, the Texans can't install a new defense over the weekend.
Bob McNair gets his ca$h from me and fans like me. And there's more where that came from, if he makes moves that push this franchise towards winning.
This defense is an enigma , Last season they started out horrible against the run and as the season wore on they became very good against the run ..... This is the same defense minus one guy (up until Ryans injury) thats getting torched thru the air ....
I dont like that Bush has the corners play off the LOS almost exclusively and expects them to stay with recievers while the pass rush isnt getting home.
Two other issues with the defense that bug the piss out of me and can probably be blamed on Bush - The LB's inability to cover TE's and RB's.
The DB's getting beat in the soft spots between the CB's and Safeties.
Whats a DC's job other than to make adjustments like that ? Week after week we see teams exploit the same things , Bush isnt making the adjustments .... He needs to go.
Firing a coordinator is one thing and can even be done during the season but firing a head coach changes everything .... not calls on one side of the ball. There's a huge difference between the two.
I thought they pretty much (unconsciously) decided to mail it in last year when they kept Kubiak. This year could have been spent with the new coach and next year wouldn't be a big deal.
The fear of change and taking a step back is resulting in a team that is staying in place or sliding back. Biting the bullet and making a coaching change that resulted in one step back and two steps forward in either of the past couple years and the Texans would be ahead of the game now.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately, I don't see the "right guy" out there. I think Cowher would be successful but I don't see him actually here. Just a gut feeling. I am not as sure as others that next season will be reduced much if a lock out occurs. I think McNair hedges his bets and keeps Kubiak at least one more year unless maybe we go 1-4. Just to mention, I think Gruden should take the Miami college job if there is actually an offer. I also do not think Gary has to be replaced. If he were to hire a very good D. C. that can train new players and put a consistent game plan out every week, the team would be a playoff contender. The O. would be alright with only minor tweaking. We have the best WR and as of last Sunday the leading NFL rusher, a decent QB and a very good TE in Dreesen. We should be using the next draft to strengthen our bench. Instead we will be looking for another corner, defensive tackle, defensive end, an OG and probably another linebacker. Surprise, surprise! Oh, I know I only listed 6 picks but we all know we have to leave one round open for another tight end. I hope you notice that I did not mention a free safety in the draft. And if you haven't heard, Anthony Hill TE was activated yesterday.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Very good post! We have basically the same defensive scheme the last four years and have changed DCs. Even if one had to "change over the weekend" I doubt we'd suffer much more than now.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
More winning sense? You remember we are talking about KUBIAK, right? The guy doesn't win, he doesn't have what it takes to win, period. It makes ZERO winning sense to keep Kubiak for any reason. Even if a new coach could only win 5 games in this supposed shorter season (which we don't know will happen or not), he'll grow with the team and they will be experienced together, a thousand times better than another Kubiak 8-8 year.
Seriously, what do you want? You want to make sure we win 8 games next year so you won't bring in a competent head coach, just because the guys won't instantly learn the new scheme?
Terrible argument imo.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Not sure if you've been paying attention to what's going on this season but that's kind of the point.