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IDEXAN

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Is it time for McNair to consider bringing in this guy, because our fundamental problem is failing to select enough good football players to compete with the better teams in the league - Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak aren't getting that done. I think Parcells is now available with the ownership change in Miami ?
Deep South native Bob McNair can keep his black GM and continue to feel good about his affirmative action politics, all Parcells wants is power and money, he doesn't care about job titles. In other words Smith can continue
to be the teams GM, except when it comes to personnel decisions. Parcells runs the Draft and hires the FAs.
This means of course we go 3-4 defense and Kubiak is gone because Parcells wants no part of any ZB system, it'll strictly be power-drive blocking with his Oline and nobody is under 325 lbs.
 
This kind of jackassery should be banned from Texans Talk. Mods - find a rule this violates and kick this douche off the board for good it reflects poorly on all of us.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Way to invoke race into a football discussion, says a lot about a person.
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My observation was meant as more of a redemption of the conscious of a man of the deep South like Bob McNair, a native South Carolinian. An atonement of guilt if you will. However if you choose to make it about race, that's your call.
But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Is it time for McNair to consider bringing in this guy, because our fundamental problem is failing to select enough good football players to compete with the better teams in the league - Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak aren't getting that done. I think Parcells is now available with the ownership change in Miami ?
Deep South native Bob McNair can keep his black GM and continue to feel good about his affirmative action politics, all Parcells wants is power and money, he doesn't care about job titles. In other words Smith can continue
to be the teams GM, except when it comes to personnel decisions. Parcells runs the Draft and hires the FAs.
This means of course we go 3-4 defense and Kubiak is gone because Parcells wants no part of any ZB system, it'll strictly be power-drive blocking with his Oline and nobody is under 325 lbs.
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You don't think this team has enough talent to compete? I disagree there is a lot more talent on this team than probably 2/3's of the NFL. There are some glaring holes, but show me a tema that doesn't have some. Depth has gotten better as well. This is a deeper issues than talent.
 
IDEXAN said:
My observation was meant as more of a redemption of the conscious of a man of the deep South like Bob McNair, a native South Carolinian. An atonement of guilt if you will. However if you choose to make it about race, that's your call.
But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity ?
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So basically you don't think Rick Smith is qualified to be a NFL GM and has his job due to his race?
 
IDEXAN said:
My observation was meant as more of a redemption of the conscious of a man of the deep South like Bob McNair, a native South Carolinian. An atonement of guilt if you will. However if you choose to make it about race, that's your call.
But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity ?
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I just don't see how you could come away with this opinion just because he's from South Carolina or the South. There are plenty of black HC's and GM's around the league. I highly doubt that Smith is here "because" he's black.

Any way, getting back on topic I'd love to have Parcells come in here. Him running the personal decisions instead of Smith would be a huge upgrade by far. I highly doubt that it would ever happen though. Mcnair just doesn't seem to be the kind of owner to go out of his way to get the big fish like Parcells if we look at his history and that tells us anything.

We're going to probably be stuck with Smith for a while.
 
Hookem Horns said:
So basically you don't think Rick Smith is qualified to be a NFL GM and has his job due to his race?
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I won't say that but it sure isn't due to track record or results. I think it had more to do with him being a friend of kubiak and being from Denver.

Rick isn't here because he is black he is here because he is a kubiak crony. Now him being black could be nice because executive positions have been tough to come by for minorities and it might be a tertiary benefit

I like having a black gm
I dislike having horrible talent evaluation
Specifically in the secondary and that should be his strength as he played DB

The guy may have been outofline going to race card with his post but it MAY have played a slight factor in him being considered

Smithiak better turn it around and fast
 
Hookem Horns said:
So basically you don't think Rick Smith is qualified to be a NFL GM and has his job due to his race?
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I think Bill Parcells is one of the 2 best men in the business at evaluating NFL prospects, and I think he's now available and he'll usually go to work for the highest bidder, assuming he also has control of all player personnel decisions.
Oh BTW, the other top guy isn't available because he has lifelong
long employment with the Ravens. He's their GM and his name is Ozzie Newsome.
 
IDEXAN said:
My observation was meant as more of a redemption of the conscious of a man of the deep South like Bob McNair, a native South Carolinian. An atonement of guilt if you will. However if you choose to make it about race, that's your call.
But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity ?
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Are you serious? That's just lame and a horrible direction to try to point the finger. Honestly, that's one of the worst things I've read on here. If we lose, so be it, but it isn't because McNair felt like he had to hire an unqualified black man. I personally think that Smith has done a great job as our GM. If he fails, it's because of decisions that he makes, not because he's a black man.
 
IDEXAN said:
My observation was meant as more of a redemption of the conscious of a man of the deep South like Bob McNair, a native South Carolinian. An atonement of guilt if you will. However if you choose to make it about race, that's your call.
But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity ?
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This is an offense post to me becuase of some subtly that was placed in this post.

First you take a broad swipe. You specifically made it about race when you referred to Smith as a Black GM. The whole point of your post was that McNair hired a neophyte with very little football management experience in Smith. You could have referred to him as such or but you intentionally interjected race into this topic.

Secondly, you made an assumption about Bob McNair and the, "conscious of a man of the deep South." What has he specifically said or done that has led to this belief that he wants to, "make amends for his culture." Please educate me as to your specific source material. Please provide direct quotes and sources.

I become offended with the following quote, "But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity" Why should a "good and decent man" need to make amends for his culture? Are you saying that a person who does not want to do that is by definition NOT a good and decent man? As a man of color I am offended when white individuals are taught or are made to feel guilty for being white. Feeling guilty about the color of your skin is akin to thinking color of skin means good or bad things. THAT is a horrible way of thinking.

Many of Diversity classes I have taken have hammered this point home and in each one I have raised the same point. Of course the professor or leader was unable to refute it. The whole nonsense of White guilt irritates the hell out of me. Bob McNair did not specifically do anything (that I am aware) in terms of racial discrimination. Is there racism in the US? Sure, of course there is. But we continue it and we allow it to fester when we apply these types of thoughts. White guilt is discriminatory. You are in essence saying that becuase a person is not white they must have suffered terrible societal injustices. BS. One does not solve discrimination by ladling on extra discrimination.

And THAT is why I found your post offensive. You did not come out any say any of this, but you slipped in, "a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity" as an after thought and portrayed it in such a way that anyone who would even deign to disagree would look like a racist or culturally insensitive.
 
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Implied facepalm!!
When something is so ****ing ******* A full and proper facepalm isn'tt even necessary!!


Why did I even read this thread?

:facepalm: Bill!
 
awtysst said:
This is an offense post to me becuase of some subtly that was placed in this post.

First you take a broad swipe. You specifically made it about race when you referred to Smith as a Black GM. The whole point of your post was that McNair hired a neophyte with very little football management experience in Smith. You could have referred to him as such or but you intentionally interjected race into this topic.

Secondly, you made an assumption about Bob McNair and the, "conscious of a man of the deep South." What has he specifically said or done that has led to this belief that he wants to, "make amends for his culture." Please educate me as to your specific source material. Please provide direct quotes and sources.

I become offended with the following quote, "But I think Bob Mcnair is a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity" Why should a "good and decent man" need to make amends for his culture? Are you saying that a person who does not want to do that is by definition NOT a good and decent man? As a man of color I am offended when white individuals are taught or are made to feel guilty for being white. Feeling guilty about the color of your skin is akin to thinking color of skin means good or bad things. THAT is a horrible way of thinking.

Many of Diversity classes I have taken have hammered this point home and in each one I have raised the same point. Of course the professor or leader was unable to refute it. The whole nonsense of White guilt irritates the hell out of me. Bob McNair did not specifically do anything (that I am aware) in terms of racial discrimination. Is there racism in the US? Sure, of course there is. But we continue it and we allow it to fester when we apply these types of thoughts. White guilt is discriminatory. You are in essence saying that becuase a person is not white they must have suffered terrible societal injustices. BS. One does not solve discrimination by ladling on extra discrimination.

And THAT is why I found your post offensive. You did not come out any say any of this, but you slipped in, "a good and descent man, and I think he's the kind of man who wants to make amends for his culture, his history when given the opportunity" as an after thought and portrayed it in such a way that anyone who would even deign to disagree would look like a racist or culturally insensitive.
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Well Said....:bravo:
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Rick Smith is a bright spot in this organisation.

The issues are on the field not in the front office.
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Molden
McCain
Jackson
Quinn

Not exactly good picks to date

Yeah the players play but he chose those players and he decided to not try an improve last years group, which were already less than stellar, and felt it was prudent to let Dunta go as a UFA

The players need to make plays but he personally chose to put this group out there and surmised that they would be sufficient if not excellent.

He was wrong and that is on him
Jackson looks like garbage and no one can honestly dispute that. He looks like a UDFA at best andthat is on smith
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Jackson looks like garbage and no one can honestly dispute that. He looks like a UDFA at best andthat is on smith
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The draft is a crap shoot, and we all know that. 1st round picks fail frequently for all GMs. This does not mean I'm excusing Jackson, 'cause he looks like **** right now, but instead I think over all the drafts by Smith have been pretty good.

It's what Kubiak has been doing with that talent and the coaches he hires that would appear to be a problem. At least that's how I see it.
 
IDEXAN said:
Is it time for McNair to consider bringing in this guy, because our fundamental problem is failing to select enough good football players to compete with the better teams in the league - Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak aren't getting that done. I think Parcells is now available with the ownership change in Miami ?
Deep South native Bob McNair can keep his black GM and continue to feel good about his affirmative action politics, all Parcells wants is power and money, he doesn't care about job titles. In other words Smith can continue
to be the teams GM, except when it comes to personnel decisions. Parcells runs the Draft and hires the FAs.
This means of course we go 3-4 defense and Kubiak is gone because Parcells wants no part of any ZB system, it'll strictly be power-drive blocking with his Oline and nobody is under 325 lbs.
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"Affirmative action politics?" Don't let a loss turn you into a jackass in public.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Molden
McCain
Jackson
Quinn

Not exactly good picks to date

Yeah the players play but he chose those players and he decided to not try an improve last years group, which were already less than stellar, and felt it was prudent to let Dunta go as a UFA

The players need to make plays but he personally chose to put this group out there and surmised that they would be sufficient if not excellent.

He was wrong and that is on him
Jackson looks like garbage and no one can honestly dispute that. He looks like a UDFA at best andthat is on smith
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Quin is a keeper, a very good value given where he was taken. And McCain
was drafted even later, 6th round I think ? He can play some nickle, and even if he's a bust it's not that b ad because of the minimul investment in him. And Molden has never had a chance, he's always injured and how can Smith/Texans be blamed for that unless he had an extensive injury history from college ?
Now Jackson ? Tough for me to defend that pick except to say it's very early
and we can only hope he improves. Soon.
 
Thorn said:
The draft is a crap shoot, and we all know that. 1st round picks fail frequently for all GMs. This does not mean I'm excusing Jackson, 'cause he looks like **** right now, but instead I think over all the drafts by Smith have been pretty good.

It's what Kubiak has been doing with that talent and the coaches he hires that would appear to be a problem. At least that's how I see it.
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One would think that a former college Safety would have a better feel on his scaling calls for Secondary players from the NCAA to the NFL.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
One would think that a former college Safety would have a better feel on his scaling calls for Secondary players from the NCAA to the NFL.
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If anything I think that relies too much on his experience as DB in his drafts. The lack of quality CBs has nothing to do with not trying, all have been taken by Smith over the last handful of years as have been Nolan and Barber. I think this is why you get so many late round DBs here because they think thye have an eye for it, but the current results show that the best drafted DB is Quin and he a borderline NFL starter. Nolan has flashed, but still has a way to go. The jury is out on all the others, but the evidence is not strongly in their favor.
 
I saw McMannis play last year in a game vs Wisconsin and he was very impressive. He's very quick and he was decribed in the game by the Big 10 announcers, who were obviously knowledgeable about their confeence, as one of the best cover corners in the conference.
I don't think he's had many opportunities so far but I think he will be the real sleeper of this years Draft for the Texans, even more than Earl Mithcell.
Of course it can be embarrassing when your 5th round corner is better than your first-round corner, certainly if they were taken in the same year.
 
I think most coaches have some positions they tend to not draft highly and those are usually weaknesses on their team. I think the salary cap has created a LOT of parity in the NFL and we are an up and coming team that is 3-2 right now and has had a few garbage games against teams that tend to have larger linemen on both sides of the ball that we are not built to beat....with our ZBS, etc. Yes, we know how to power block now, but we still have linemen who are built for the ZBS and D-Linemen who tend to be small and (hopefully) quick for their posiitions. That's how you beat Indy (who beat NYG)....not Dallas and the NYG. It concerns me that, in this game in particular, our skills players looked like total freaking morons, but not so terribly much that we lost.

Our coach is smart, but a little weird (description fits me too, frankly--OK, so I'm just weird). So is his team. This team is going to drive us nuts, but it is going to win its share of games.

Would I rather have Bill Parcells? Probably. Am I ready to start revamping the entire team and replacing most of the players to accommodate a new coach and his ways of doing things? Well, maybe if Parcells promises to stay around for a LONG time, but otherwise no.

Personally, I never liked the idea of using smaller linemen, especially on offense....for any scheme. I also would spend HIGH draft picks on DBs, as I just consider them essential. That's just me. Kubiak is a QB. Just like anybody, there are things he can't see as well as the "average" man. The draft value of DBs and the size and brute strength of interior DLs are the most glaring. I would probably have a bunch of O-linemen that can't run-block. We know we can't just fill every position with a #1 draft choice.
 
IDEXAN said:
Deep South native Bob McNair can keep his black GM and continue to feel good about his affirmative action politics
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Epic fail.

IDEXAN said:
My observation was meant as more of a redemption of the conscious of a man of the deep South like Bob McNair, a native South Carolinian. An atonement of guilt if you will. However if you choose to make it about race, that's your call.
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I see you're from Idaho. I've lived in the South most of my life. Just so you know: I don't feel guilty for anything. I seriously doubt Bob McNair feels guilty for anything. But I do think you should feel guilty for thinking Rick Smith's race has anything to do with the reason he was hired. And if anyone here chooses to make this about race, you've already beaten them to it.
 
HJam72 said:
I think most coaches have some positions they tend to not draft highly and those are usually weaknesses on their team. I think the salary cap has created a LOT of parity in the NFL and we are an up and coming team that is 3-2 right now and has had a few garbage games against teams that tend to have larger linemen on both sides of the ball that we are not built to beat....with our ZBS, etc. Yes, we know how to power block now, but we still have linemen who are built for the ZBS and D-Linemen who tend to be small and (hopefully) quick for their posiitions. That's how you beat Indy (who beat NYG)....not Dallas and the NYG. It concerns me that, in this game in particular, our skills players looked like total freaking morons, but not so terribly much that we lost.

Our coach is smart, but a little weird (description fits me too, frankly--OK, so I'm just weird). So is his team. This team is going to drive us nuts, but it is going to win its share of games.

Would I rather have Bill Parcells? Probably. Am I ready to start revamping the entire team and replacing most of the players to accommodate a new coach and his ways of doing things? Well, maybe if Parcells promises to stay around for a LONG time, but otherwise no.

Personally, I never liked the idea of using smaller linemen, especially on offense....for any scheme. I also would spend HIGH draft picks on DBs, as I just consider them essential. That's just me. Kubiak is a QB. Just like anybody, there are things he can't see as well as the "average" man. The draft value of DBs and the size and brute strength of interior DLs are the most glaring. I would probably have a bunch of O-linemen that can't run-block. We know we can't just fill every position with a #1 draft choice.
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I agree with you on not liking smaller linemen. But I hate the notion that the smaller linemen can't beat larger ones. The NFC is rife with large, powerful, run-stopping DL. Of course, we only play them 4 games a year, but what happens when we get to play them a 5th? Oops...
 
TheCD said:
I agree with you on not liking smaller linemen. But I hate the notion that the smaller linemen can't beat larger ones. The NFC is rife with large, powerful, run-stopping DL. Of course, we only play them 4 games a year, but what happens when we get to play them a 5th? Oops...
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Yeah....scary.
 
Thorn said:
The draft is a crap shoot, and we all know that. 1st round picks fail frequently for all GMs. This does not mean I'm excusing Jackson, 'cause he looks like **** right now, but instead I think over all the drafts by Smith have been pretty good.

It's what Kubiak has been doing with that talent and the coaches he hires that would appear to be a problem. At least that's how I see it.
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I don't see RS doing that great of a job to fill key positions. Our secondary's suckitude is legendary. That isn't all Bush's fault. The guys that he has chosen have been subpar

Plenty of time to turn things around but until we do a better job I think criticism is reasonably expected and that talk of change is warranted. Parcells would be an ultimate coup and give us the leadership that has been lacking.

This isn't office space where you do just enough to not get fired. We need some urgency and a commitment to championships not mediocrity
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Molden
McCain
Jackson
Quinn

Not exactly good picks to date

Yeah the players play but he chose those players and he decided to not try an improve last years group, which were already less than stellar, and felt it was prudent to let Dunta go as a UFA

The players need to make plays but he personally chose to put this group out there and surmised that they would be sufficient if not excellent.

He was wrong and that is on him
Jackson looks like garbage and no one can honestly dispute that. He looks like a UDFA at best andthat is on smith
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Molden - injured, mid round pick.
McCain - late round pick, 2nd year.
Jackson - rookie, thrown in DEEP end.
Quin - don't see what is wrong with Quin, been the best CB the last two years, also mid round pick
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Molden - injured, mid round pick.
McCain - late round pick, 2nd year.
Jackson - rookie, thrown in DEEP end.
Quin - don't see what is wrong with Quin, been the best CB the last two years, also mid round pick
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3 of those guys are part of a historically bad pass defense. Molden is always hurt so you can't blame that on him.

Where they were picked is fine but at the end of the day he willingly rolled out this secondary this season. No injuries contributed to their situation at corner. This was rick's plan. It has failed miserably to date. Just asking for disaster.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Parcells would be an ultimate coup and give us the leadership that has been lacking.
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In the event that Kubiak was fired, I would prefer Tony Dungy to replace him. Tony Dungy could revamp the defense without a drastic change in scheme. The Tampa 2 Defense is a variation of the 4-3 Under Defense which is itself a subset of the 4-3 Defense. Maybe Mr. Dungy could retain Rick Dennison and continue to run most of the current offensive package.
 
IDEXAN said:
Is it time for McNair to consider bringing in this guy, because our fundamental problem is failing to select enough good football players to compete with the better teams in the league - Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak aren't getting that done. I think Parcells is now available with the ownership change in Miami ?
Deep South native Bob McNair can keep his black GM and continue to feel good about his affirmative action politics, all Parcells wants is power and money, he doesn't care about job titles. In other words Smith can continue
to be the teams GM, except when it comes to personnel decisions. Parcells runs the Draft and hires the FAs.
This means of course we go 3-4 defense and Kubiak is gone because Parcells wants no part of any ZB system, it'll strictly be power-drive blocking with his Oline and nobody is under 325 lbs.
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:ok: ............. :backsout:
 
IDEXAN said:
Is it time for McNair to consider bringing in this guy, because our fundamental problem is failing to select enough good football players to compete with the better teams in the league - Rick Smith & Gary Kubiak aren't getting that done. I think Parcells is now available with the ownership change in Miami ?
Deep South native Bob McNair can keep his black GM and continue to feel good about his affirmative action politics, all Parcells wants is power and money, he doesn't care about job titles. In other words Smith can continue
to be the teams GM, except when it comes to personnel decisions. Parcells runs the Draft and hires the FAs.
This means of course we go 3-4 defense and Kubiak is gone because Parcells wants no part of any ZB system, it'll strictly be power-drive blocking with his Oline and nobody is under 325 lbs.
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Oh I get it now , that's why I heard McNair call Rick Smith " Benson " .
 
JB said:
I am an UT fan... and I hate most UT fans.
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Wolf said:
yep me too
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I'm not... That said, I agree, but I don't have the vitriole or flat out hate that many TU/ TU t-shirt fans have towards others.... In a little bit of confidence, I will admit, that I pull for TU in the "Red River Shoot-Out" (Yes, Red River shootout, not 'Rivalry' - that's ghey)... You know why?? I would much rather hear "Eyes of Texas" over that obnoxiously, irritating "Boomer Sooner"!!! Every time I hear Boomer Sooner, I want to vomit blood. I want to pour bleach in my eyeballs!! And that ain't right!!
 
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